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Sounds like sleep apnea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_apnea

If you are actually successfully projecting, then why worry about being aware of SP? It's not particularly nice... you're not missing much.

One with patience and the ability to translate, interpret and collate information and experience when faced with the non-physical environment.

It's really interesting actually.

I have often thought that OOBEs would be great for rehabilitating those with recovering spinal injuries... or those who are permanently paralysed.

lol

Mode... 

I am going through a complete paradigm shift at the moment and I can't answer this question without generating a heated discussion.

Suffice to say.. if you aren't thinking 'wow... this is something new and amazing' then you are just having a bog standard dream.

Yes... glad you mentioned that actually.

We spoke for a while on Facebook before she managed OOBE.

She bypasses it by having morning experiences because she takes the medication last thing at night. She takes an SSRI.

Since I discovered OOBEs I have never been shy to openly talk about them. I don't really care what people think.

You on the other hand are skating on a grey area because you are talking about involving a job.

The best way to bring it up in that situation is to steer clear of any connotations to the supernatural.

One way you could do it is by discussing dreams... lucid dreams... also it is worth bringing up Sleep paralysis as this is a pretty common thing amongst stressed teens and young adults.

One interesting thing I have found is that people taking SSRIs find it difficult to enter S.. also Diazepam and meth-amphetamines that are used to treat 'personality disorders' and the like aren't condusive with OOBEs.

does cocaine make your eyeballs numb?

Yes... very!!

 

spell check done....

none physical... not physical... the one we are all talking about here? 

I spelt reality wrong... if that's what you meant. 

I really envy the people (on the previous page) who can draw or paint their dreams and projections. I wish I could, I have so many written down which could be awesome drawings.
But I will try at least one, although it may take a while to complete lol. 

Use your projections to paint or sculpt... learn there... in the none physical reallity.

I did.

The proof is in the watching.

I don't think Summerlander is saying that Doctor Who y'know... with his mouth...

He's talking about the fact it's typical British mediocre crap Scifi.

 

I'll send a request.

As for TP's site...

http://www.facebook.com/TimePeace

there should be a 'like' or 'join' icon at the top right of the screen.

I actually copied and pasted it from here to Astral Viewers... and besides... the information is in the link ya dufus! 

and...

How can I not copy and paste a link unless I learn the address and type it out as normal?

I don't know... I just threw in a post because I was bored.

He ascended.

I have also seen this eye many times. It feels like I am seeing a reflection of my eye... big and blinking. I even got this on a sunny day once which gave the image a reddish pink glow.

I also often get a residual image left in my eyesight after projecting that dissipates. Like it has been burned into my retina. It's always hard to make out... it always seems like an eye. More than not it's indistinct.

Yes I have and it's great... 

Hasn't it come down in price?

Thought you peeps might find this interesting.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/cultist/2011/04/time_peace_aleins.php

CANNIBALEX... Mate... Ride the sunset is absolutely beautiful. Nice work.

the issue for me is reconciling the abstract with the concrete.  from my studies over the years (particularly in psych and spiritual traditions) it has become apparent to me that the psychology of the individual has a profound impact on the reality we experience.  this is tricky because i don't want to be lumped in with the new age, neo-new age or even buddhists.  but, simply put, our mind creates our reality.  not in some metaphysical sense, but quite literally as i'm sure you're probably aware.  it's the abstract concepts in our mind and memory that turn a collection of energetic vibrations in the form of sensory stimuli into the reality that each of us perceives.  behind the interpretation of our mind, reality is ambiguous and undefined.  it is just energy.  our mind interprets it to be what we call reality.  so the individual psychology has a big impact on the way we see reality.  now i completely understand that on the whole (as far as we know) we see the same things in the world.  but we also share human culture that was developed in it's unique way on the planet earth.  we are extremely earth-biased because this was the birth place of our whole species and all those species that came before us that were required to ultimately produce us (assuming there was no alien intervention or anything, lol).  the history of life on earth penetrates every part of us, body mind and soul.  so the way we see reality is almost entirely dependent on the way our minds evolved on this planet, at this time in space and reality, in this scale and position.  perhaps this is the only way life can spawn, perhaps every inhabited world is so uniquely alien that we wouldn't even recognize it as life.  who knows.

either way, relative to us on earth, we have a common history psychologically.  naturally we have gotten more complex as our cultures split and new ones are born that shape our view of reality in unique ways.  but we still share a common ancestor.  but you don't even have to go back that far.  just go back to say ancient greece and the "foundation" of the modern western world.  starting from there would be sufficient to show how our perception of reality is really dependent on our psychological make-up.  that was where the modern thinking was born.  but if you go to some indigenous tribe that has had little interaction with the western world, their reality is a strange and beautiful world compared to ours.  however, there is still a common ancestor between us so we are still programmed to see the "concreteness" of reality in the same way.  but maybe on a different planet in a different realm, reality would be beyond our comprehension (which is not to imply superior, we just wouldn't be equipped to think like they do).

however, for the sake of argument, if you cut me i bleed and we both know it.  only we know it because our measuring apparatus (our bodies) are nearly identical in the grand scheme of reality.  the same physical body with the same sensory organs, evolved on the same planet and influenced by the same cultural biases over long periods of time.  to me this makes the comparison of our realities (or anyone on earth for that matter) as a means to justify objective reality just bad science.  there isn't really a comparison to be made because relative to the whole of reality, our perceptions are nearly identical.  (mind you, nearly identical in an infinite spectrum is still infinitely different, but in a materialist perspective, the difference is miniscule.)

cool...

I'm rolling with you! 

One thing is certain.

As subtley different as our individual theories may be about consciousness... we all share this amazing ability... we as a small group have a totally different slant on consciousness and reality, compared to the majority of western society.

  I don't get the analogy.
Regardless of the intention of the entity we're talking about, the word negative entity is a label we have given to the representation of something that is making us not feel good.  I'm not saying that they are objective beings (maybe they are, maybe they're not) the fact is that stuff we don't like happens here and it's not unreasonable to think that unpleasant things happen 'there' too- whether they're psychological manifestations, actual independent entities, or something else altogether.

You did say that what if they had an Astral counterpart. That is a pretty relevant statement.

All I understand is regardless of what they appear to be... they don't harm. When unpleasant things happen there... I get up the next day and get on with my life... when unpleasant things happen here.. it pretty much sticks.

This thread is about negative entities... I don't regard them... I don't get hurt. Period.

I'm colourblind, so the red i see is not the same as you.  In fact, I often attribute the name 'red' to what you call 'green' (which just makes me a pathological case, an anomaly to your point).  This has had a big impact on my understanding of how we perceive reality.  Bottom line, you have unique genetics and a lifetime of psychic (as in psyche) conditioning that influences your perception of reality (and who knows about a 'soul' or something similar?).  What you want to assume is that beyond your unique perspective, there is an objective reality that exists independent of your observation (and I'm not talking about quantum physics or the "new thought", which is just neo-new age).  But in truth, can you really prove an objective reality?  I don't believe in one.  For me, objective reality was a side effect of the development of language.  I am reminded of old stories like the tower of babel and the idea that language was a major influence on humanity's "fall from grace".  Or even knowledge of good and evil, knowledge that requires objectivity in which to separate things to label in such a way.  

anyway, just some fun thoughts.

I agree...

There is persistent reality that I rely on every day. Its solid reality if anything gives me a sense of satisfaction that it exists and is supremely important.  

If I cut your arm off with a chainsaw... you scream in pain... and I retort "Don't worry, there is no objective reality" I reckon it would be difficult for you to accept my statement on many levels.. and that pain... the horror and shock are all a result of the a very persistent reality.

Your colour blindness is a result of a lack of cone pigments in your retina (you probably totally know this).  whether it be Dichromacy or Anomalous trichromacy it is still effecting physical receptors in your brain... around 1 billion people share the same affliction as you and perceive this particular reality with you. That goes a long way into thinking that as the reality we share... it's pretty persistent.

Why would this effect how you think you perceive reality rather than help you understand and wonder at the mechanisms of the eye? Your brain is receiving the reality that your physically persistent eye is deficient in a cone pigment... like a billion people?

 Exactly.  (Or, I agree.)  A lion is doing what a lion does, a mosquito is doing what a mosquito does.  Regardless of whether elemental entities (what is what most negs are considered to be by some practitioners)exist or not,  why would predatory/parasitic animals not have an 'astral/energetic' counterpart?

If so... then it would be fair to assume astral lions hunting astral Gazelle... or maybe the Gazelle get their own back in the astral. Remember that animals don't kill out of malice... they kill out of necessity. We... and to some extent Chimps and Dolphins do display violent tendancies for no other reason than for sport or fun... even then for Chimps and Dolphins, violent behavoir is primarily a group activity.

 

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I guess my entire stance on this debate of "Are we in these bodies to being with?" is... that it doesn't matter in the slightest.

What's important is that you have experiences and determine the answer for yourself.  Having someone provide an experience of theirs in an attempt to answer a question doesn't help the other individual to project.  Knowing that we're "in" or "out" of these bodies, doesn't help you to project.

That's my entire problem with it... people are putting the carriage before the horse here. 
Don't worry about the "why" or "what"... worry about the "how".  Worry about the "how do I have experiences of my own?". 

Actually Xanth... That's so true.

But...
* I have found that those yearning to have these experiences will turn to 'us' to give them some sort of answer. It's only natural.

* Very often someone learning will describe their experience to make sure they're on the right track. This is only natural.

* The experience is predominantly subjective.. we know that... but across the board, do share very distinct modalities... if they didn't... there would be no way of identifying anything and any method would be pointless. Putting it metaphorically; we are teaching people to walk and run... it's their town though... their city... we can't tell them what lurks around the corner, but we can tell them what they may expect and not to be afraid. 9 times out of 10 you have to explain why you are lead to believe that Demons won't harm you... why you believe that you will be able to return... etc...

Theory and explanation are unavoidable.