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I haven't been able to walk, but managed to float out from a random SP, so yes I felt it was in the physical world, initially. Very physical. Not more physical than the physical and not less physical than physical. Just very physical.

Your turn.

I see...

haha... trick question passed. You float.

We got a 1st Phaser Summerlander!!... we got a 1st phaser!!!

Hi Tee...

Yeah I can absolutely relate to this.

My experiences began doing 1st Phase OOBEs. 2nd Phase is what I call AP.

I'll expand more on this later... I'm eating a crab at the moment.

From a none physical perspective.

I was agreeing with stookie.

There is an internalization when it comes to AP.

So if you separate into your 'astral' room... and walk to the door... do you think that this movement corresponds to the real world? In terms of position in space?

oh ok...

It's great you have a locale III theorised. Guess I'd call that 3rd Phase. Is that an encompassing locale that contain what appear to be persistent realities?

It's the paralysis of striated muscles during REM atonia... these are muscles attatched to bone... so that you don't act out your dreams apparently. The intercostal muscles that bridge between your ribs are striated muscles and are the ones we use when needing to take in more air, during excercise and when stressed or anxious.

Your diaphragm is a musculofibrous septum and isn't a skeletal muscle. It is the muscle that we use to breath when relaxed. It is the natural breathing muscle. Watch someone breath when they sleep. You'll notice their abdomen rising more than a chest expansion. On an interesting note... as you know we cycle through sleep stages. Before REM and more noticably directly after, we micro-wake. We slightly wake up and then drift back into slow stage...
You will know when someone micro-wakes from a dream - they take a deep breath. This is because of the bodies natural response to the muscles becoming polarized (un-paralysed) and a need for more oxygen.

Everywhere and yet... nowhere.

I don't think they would get past their fears until they had conquered them... This is provided they are inducing Sleep Paralysis. It is during SP that one can be tormented by fear, anxiety and insecurity... these manifest as demons and other negative metaphores... hence why SP used to be called the Night-mare or old hag.

Using SP/OOBEs/LD as a psychiatric tool could be an angle that would make the field of psychology and science sit up and acknowledge their benefits and reality.

What is focus 21 again?

This is also called the Koren Helmet.

Sounds just like a device made in the 80's by a Dr.(can't recall who ) called "the God helmet", which was a modified motorcycle helmet with electrodes mounted in it, acting directly on the right temporal lobe,which proported to induce trance like states and spiritual visions.

Olaf Blanke in Switzerland found that it is possible to reliably elicit experiences somewhat 'similar' to the OOBE by stimulating regions of the brain called the right temporal-parietal junction with electrical stimulation.

It's Dr Michael Persinger who designed and labelled his contraption "the God Helmet" (Koren Helmet).

Imagine relaxing with that crap on your head.

Like Olaf Blanke, Persinger used mechanical induction upon the brain, and while creating interesting results where the spaciality and self are processed within the brain (right temporal-parietal junction), they don't explain the ability for unassisted induction nor the full range of other sensations experienced during OOBEs.

Bedeekin, you have some deep knowledge of this stuff. Keep it up.

Sorry... that's pretty much the extent of it... 

I'll stick my nose in here and there if I think I can.

"it all happens within consciousness and there is no "outside""

Exactly.

But nothing seems 'out'... per se

Where is 'out' anyway? This is internal not external.

RB also says that we need psychic protection from 'negs'. Who is Moen?

Nothing leaves because if it did... I would be leaving something 'out' most of the time. Rarely do I actively separate nor conventionally return. I seemingly most of the time seem to focus and/or connect to my 'astral' (hate using that name) while it is in the middle of being somewhere doing something; as though I have suddenly possessed it while it was in the middle of something. This says to me that I am simply directing my focus to something that's already disembodied... in whatever sense.

Also I have come out of OOBEs several times because someone entered the room or called my name... I was theoretically 'away' far from my 'physical'.

It would be great to teach prisoners SP... they would undoubtedly be riddled with their own demons and would probably be terrified during it.

By the time they reached any profficient level of AP to do any potential damage (assuming the 'astral' in an actual construct) they would be rid of any want or need to be 'nasty'. The action of learning a new discipline would rehabilitate them I reckon.

Also the ringing or buzzing sounds are important to deepening the state...

During the onset of SP, intermittent bursts of involuntary Tensor tympani muscle spasms can be felt and heard and become an integral part of the experience.



You might be able to voluntarily contract this muscle inducing a noticeable and odd 'rumbling' sound to occur. The involuntary actions of these bones being retracted is to stop the inner ear from being damaged by sudden loud acoustics - go to a quiet room and clap your hands or click your fingers; you should hear a little middle ear rumbling noise accompanying external noise. 

The voluntary contraction of these muscles causes them to vibrate not unlike the small vibrations in any muscle that is contracted very hard, say the muscles in your arm.

You perceive these contracted middle ear muscle vibrations as a "rumbling noise" because the vibrations are transmitted the middle ear bones and then to the inner ear.

This ability can come in very handy when it comes to deepening the vibrations of Sleep Paralysis. It is unknown why the tensing of the Tensor tympani muscle should deepen the state. Robert A. Monroe stated that he uses his jaw to raise the vibrations of the second state. Interesting then that the nerves controling the tiny muscles are also responsible for the jaw or at least extend into the lower jaw's nerve bundles. Taking this into account it is also interesting to note that mammals are unique in having three ear bones, which have evolved from bones of the jaw, and allow finer detection of sound.



It has been recently discovered that during REM sleep these muscles go into spasm and vibrate at a high rate... some say it is to cut off residual external noise from the outside world so that dreaming is made possible.

I used software called Painter. It's a digital painting software... I use a WACOM CINTIQ graphic tablet. They are generated by computer but I paint them in a traditional manner.

The second painting is a massive file in its entirity and took a couple of days.

Here's a close up of the Gaddergante...



The third image actually took less time than the others.

Here's a traditional pencil drawing...



and one for good luck...

"I think that the real time zone is a collective, non-physical environment, much like you'd find in Focus 3 oC, it is being created and sustained by the collective conscious minds of the beings who inhabit this physical reality (aka us physical people)."

I can roll with that.

The foundation of my early experiences were primarily RTZ... which you know I call 1st Phase.

An alien sketch...



The methin moon caravan



Methin Moon by the light of the eye of Muhenj'a



The names I made up... the place is based heavily on AP experiences.

Absolutely. It is this pre-empting or opinion of what you think based on others experiences that leads to misunderstandings.

It seems that most 'non-published' practitioners hold a more common sense or even pragmatic view of AP its surrounding phenomena. You must ask why.

The problem is different here it's not the throat,it's  my chest not expanding to take air

This is because of REM atonia. When you are in the VS (SP) you are aware of the depolarization (paralysis) of neurons controlling striated muscle groups. These are any muscles connected to bone. Other muscles such as throat, eyes, heart, digestive tract and diaphragm aren't depolarized... these are basically all on 'autopilot' during sleep. When you become aware of your breathing during VS you instintively try to breath using the intercostal muscles of your rib-cage. These are paralysed... so you will find odd resistance like a pressure or inability to breath. Your diaphragm is doing the breathing work (note this is what we use during meditation) during REM atonia... also it is under the influence of the automatic breathing cycle of the medulla oblongata... so any attempt to override this causes a type of dissonance of feeling like breathing is out of pace.

I will say that breathing issues are an artifact of RTZ separation. I never run into 'How am I breathing' problems during AP.

The older series is very dated but fun to watch if you're into scifi. We are talking black and white.

Then there's M-theory theory... which adds an 11th dimension. 

Obviously this may just be a 'creative' way of getting around... but it works for me. Point and click.

The logic of OOBE movement came to me when I was chatting to a friend called Bob Lazar back in 96. He allegedly worked at area 51 (S4). To cut a long story short he said he back engineered a flying saucer and worked out its propulsion technology. You could probably google Bob Mazar and read about it.

He was describing the way the saucer's propulsion worked. Basically the core would create strong gravity (A) waves that could be concentrated - via the triangulation points of three gravity amplifyers - to a specific point in space. The immensly strong gravity waves grab this point in space and pull the point to the craft. Then the craft basically switches off causing the craft to instantly be at that point in 3D space. When he described this to me, I turned to him with a wide eyed revelation type expression and said "That's how I move while Out-of-Body"... It's a fine day when someone claiming to have back engineered UFO technology looks at you like you're the "crazy" one.   

Hi mykorock. I'm new here on Astral Pulse also.

Regardless of the title... there is no vs. It's not a tinkling contest. Neither is phasing and 'classic' SP induction like playstation vs 360 or VHS vs Betamax.

Phasing isn't excrement... definitely not.

I didn't understand phasing when Xanth first mentioned it on AVers forum. I learned that I have experienced it once or twice and that one of my friends uses it to project. We have sat night after night discussing our 'adventures'. To all intent and purpose we are talking about the same destination using slightly different paths.

I dont know, I kinda disagree with the 2 of ya. Im gonna try and explain what I mean...

I believe an OBE is in a class all on its own. To me, For me to have an Obe I lay in my bed, get the vibrations and leave my body. When I leave my body I actually sit up in bed and turn around and see my physical body sleeping. I usually stay in real time for 15 sec or so before things start to go into the astral world. Sometimes, if I stay by my physical body, like right nxt to it/dont leave my bedroom, then il stay in real time longer but once I get some distance from my (physical) body I immediately go into the astral world. -Dont know why that is??
Now there's things I can do to stay in real time but thats a different topic-

Before I go on, I wanna bust a myth real quick.  When I first exit my body, im in real time. Now, I have 2 cats and they both cuddle at the bottom of my bed and sleep with me. After my exit I used to always start dancin and doing everything I could to get their attention but they CANT see me. -NO MATTER WHAT i did. So as far as I know, animals cant see you. -or at least my cats cant, maybe their slow though.

Now as far as lucid dreams go- ive been there before as well, but I consider this just a dream that I know im dreaming. I think if your dreamn, your dreaming. Unless somehow your dreaming and can somehow shoot yourself into the real world etc, Id have to say its just an awesome lucid dream.
-ALSO-
I can stay in the Astral for hours, literally. With full knowledge of everything that happened. Now this is another thing thats completely different about a lucid dream. Once the dream becomes lucid you practically have a countdown till u wake. Complete opposite of an OBE where you control how long you stay.

I think the only way to have an OBE is through the vibrations. If your dreamn -your dreamn. I question the phasing thing, dont really see how you can compare it to an OBE at all. To me, The vibrations mean everything.

I know what you mean also.

I assume that when you talk about OBE you are meaning 'real-time' projection... local 1... 1st phase.

I find that Dreams, LDs and aspects of what we call AP are the same thing. Just different entry modalities varying in conscious awareness quality.

Hey Kestrel.