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phanteprotectsme,

There is a great little book. It's only about a hundred and forty pages or so. The first two chapters will be all that you'll need. It's called Taking the Path of Zen by Robert Aitkin. I read it a number of years ago and liked it so much that I bought copies for people. Back in the 90's I started doing zen meditation at the Zen Center of Los Angeles. I still use it today, It's really pretty simple. You focus on your breath. You start by counting breaths up to ten, then go back to one, then up to ten, then back, and so on. After a while, you can stop counting and just follow your breaths, and after that you'll get to a place where you don't even need to follow your breaths. The counting, and so on, is needed to steer the mind away from the random mind chatter we all have.

Hope this suggestion helps. I agree also with rodentmouse that research into different methods would be good b/c what works for one may not for another. Good Luck.

FT,

There is a great little book, only about a hundred and forty pages or so. It is called: Taking the Path of Zen by Robert Aitken. The first two chapters are all you need. Zen meditation is what I've done for a number of years. Now I do it to get to trance. Simply put, it is breath awareness. You can start by counting the breaths up to ten, then start over at one, and up to ten, then back, and so on. After a while, you can drop the counting and focus on your breathing, in and out. Then when your body is deeply relaxed, you will hardly need to do anything more than maintain a general awareness of the breath.

Take care,

SBman,

I haven't read those two books. However, if you click onto amazon.com then find those books, you will see reader reviews. Some books I'd recommend besides RB's are: Out of Body Experiences by Robert Peterson and Adventures Beyond the Body by William Buhlman.
Anyway, I'll keep subscribed to this post and see if others can tell us about the two books you're asking about.

Illusory,

Thanks again for your post. After work today I'm going to start experimenting for a while along the lines you've described. It seems that each of us have slightly different sensations as well. My vibrations are not the "roaring" type I've heard/read about. They're there, but more as you describe.

Again, your experiences are valuable for others like me to read about. I appreciate it.

Take care,

The rope doesn't seem to do it for me either SBman. Right now I'm experimenting. I liked reading what Celestial Sounds said about "Then I would focus on the imagery until they drew me in and then I start to move as if I'm moving physically..."

I'm going to keep those tips in mind. Thanks,

Illusory,

Thank you for the reply. The experiences you shared leading up to and including your successfull projection(s) were good to read. I've been at the AP/OBE thing since about Februrary but have found also that having meditated for a number of years helps. So I think I'm right at the verge from what I've read. I'm going to try to go a little deeper. That is, closer to the sleep state and hope to not fall asleep. When you imagined yourself across the room were you experiencing any of the sensations that people talk about such as noises, vibrations and the like? If so, did those sensations come before, during or after the point where you imagined yourself across the room?

Thanks,

x_wolf19,

I agree Nick, it does seem that way. The same thing I think would happen to me if I went too deep, that is, I'd fall asleep. Yesterday it did seem as though I was pretty deep. I'll have to keep experimenting.

Thanks,

Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check out their website.

There was something in the local paper where I live about how people have been getting depressed, upset and irritable b/c of all the war coverage.

The mind chatter problem occurs to everyone. The only way to deal with it is to acknowledge it and then go back to counting or following your breaths (or whatever is used). In time we get better at emptying the mind of those scattered thoughts.

I've read where the prophecies are usually what may happen not necessarily what will. So, hopefully we haven't seen the start of WWIII.

Peace

Tom,

I'm always looking for a good spiritual book to read. I'll check it out on amazon. Thanks.


........... a few minutes later......I just clicked over to amazon read some of the reader reviews, then ordered the book. Thanks again.

I'll definitely send some positive energy your way. Also, it might be a good idea for you to see a doctor too.

Take care,

timeless

I did about an hour and a half of meditation/energy/relaxation/ trance after work today. The brow center tends to get a little more active than others. So right now, an hour after I finished, I still feel that pressure in my brow center/chakra. It feels good in a way.

It could be that I'm also feeling it more prominantly as I get tired. I'm not sure but I'll watch for that, thanks.

Great idea! I'll check out your website. [8D]

I'll get the vibrations that sort of tingle. Usually the brow center pulses a lot, even some times when I'm not in meditation/trance.

LD,

I'll check out the site. From reading the other posts it sounds like a great website!

Take care,

I'll look for your post Kodemaster b/c like Nate I've had some interesting dreams[?]lately. Just recently, I found myself flying. I knew [?] it was a dream and started to direct where I was flying. However my directional ability was somewhat lacking. Also, at times I'd sink and find myself saying, "fly' and I'd start to move upwards although kind of sluggishly.

I have noted that my dreams have become more vivid and at times lucid in the months since I started doing the NEW energy work and relaxation/trance work per Astral Dynamics. Maybe this is what Nate is experiencing too.

Good Point nathan with respect to the level of trance. That might be just the ethereal double that feels like it's floating upwards. I also don't seem to have any problem moving my body if I want to, so maybe it's the level of trance that is the issue.

It looks like x_wolf19 has some similar things happening. I'm afraid that if I go too deep it will be mind asleep/body asleep.

Last night I felt like I was floating a lot. Lot's of hypnogogic patterns and some various patterened colors coming and going. Also, some pinpoints of light at times and kind of a white circular light which has a bright diameter appearing at times. Interesting, but I don't know what it all means. Hope it means a projection is not too far off.[]

Take care,

Hi x_wolf19,

I can't say I've really learned that, although I have read about it. I'll try to mentally push my (almost)projected double out at times when I feel like it should have projected. So far, no success though.
It does give me a slight feeling though like I am moving my energy somewhat. So maybe I need to keep at the push thing.
Regarding the music, I don't have that happening so I can't offer any suggestions, maybe someone else can. Keep me posted!

Take care,

Thanks for the reply nstkd8/nathan. Maybe that's what I should do. Buy the first wave and see how it works for me. I'll look forward to reading what you have to say about the rest of the series when you're ready to do so.[^]

Hi nstkd8,
I mentioned in another post somewhere that what I use is a recliner chair. The advantage is that you can always adjust the position to what suits you while both supporting your head and resting on your back.
To address your question regarding the side. I have gotten some energy movement while on my side but not much else. I sleep on my side so that position makes me want to fall asleep.
Take care,

Tom makes a good point about posture. If you're lying in bed you might want to try somewhere else. I use a recliner chair that seems to be best for me. That way I can adjust positions. If you don't have a recliner try a regular chair. The best would be one that gives your head some support.
I've also incorporated some stretching excersises into my routine, so I agree with Tom there as well. That seems to loosen and help relax the physical body.

Celestial Sounds,

Thanks for the post. I haven't used any of the Gateway tapes, but I can appreciate their popularity. Whatever helps to get you there has got to be valuable. My method derives from having been in zen meditation for a number of years. I use that to empty the mind and get to trance. I also use Robert Bruce's NEW w/ respect to the energy centers and have gotten a lot of pre-separation sensations as described in some of my posts. At this point I'm looking for that full conscius exit projection.

Take Care,

Try projecting after you wake up in the morning, or in the afternoon, or anytime when you wouldn't normally want to fall asleep. This topic is covered in several good books as follows: Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce; Out of Body Experiences by Robert Peterson; and Adventures Beyond the Body by William Buhlman. Hope this helps.[]