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I don't know if I'd buy for dummies book or anything like that.  Look up work from Robert Bruce, Robert Monroe, Bruce Moen, Edgar Cayce, and anyone else other board members might list.

Thanks for the replies, and you'd have to break that part about yin-yang for me pod3, I'm glad you know such a big word, but I don't know what it means, hehe.

I don't think anyone else can tell you how to regain it.  You know what you need to do.  Practice, try, read a good book on it, i.e. Astral Dynamics.

I know you said you didn't want to do drugs.  I'm trying to get back into doing this the natural way myself.  But, proof came to me through acid/shrooms.  I ate 1/2 an 1/8th of shrooms and my roomate and I formed a telepathic link a few times (he ate a whole 1/8th which I don't recommend), communicated w/out speaking.  Which is hard to prove while you're tripping, hehe, but afterwards we talked about it and confirmed it.

I don't agree with Allanon with everything being real that you see, some of it is hallucination, like when I saw my roomate mutate into a rat-man, or when the tree branch ripped my friends head off, luckily i was experienced enough to know that I made myself see that by thinking about it.  Even when you conciously project, your perception forms your reality, through meditation you learn to clear your mind and seperate what is there and what you made up.

As far as the people being tested on drugs, I believe they had some OBEs, but the alien abduction were most likely just hallucinations (i.e caused by perception) caused by being operated on or observed by doctors, and being confused.

Happened to me, but I started smokin' pot again.  Not sure if that is your problem, but if you do smoke, thats your problem.  I'm about to quit again though (I hope), damn chemicals!

A few times when I've been dead tired, and I'm trying to sleep, I hear lots of voices in my head, random voices, random words.  Is it possible I'm picking up on neighbors and such?  Or am I just tired and my mind is going goofy?

Or, you could eat an 1/8th of shrooms and summon all kinds of stuff, atleast to your eyes, or wig out, whatevers clever.

Hello, I havn't been on in awhile.  What is this about people forming an army? Cheese N Rice, am I gonna have to hurt some people? Hehe, I don't want to pick on any DBZers (I love that show), but its people like that that make my family think I'm crazy and that I might run away with a cult or something. Sorry for not having too much of a point, but I was entertained by this thread and wanted to reply.

Oh, and might I suggest Muay Thai, Jeet Kune Do, and Jujitsu if you want some good ole practical martial arts.  You can throw in the energy yourself

I just wanted to make a note on the energy work vs spiritual path discussion.  It seems to me that through energy work and meditation, the true path would be revealed.  Following a belief system could affect your perception.

Aren't we here to know, and not to believe?  Just rambling, no offense to anyone as I am relatively new to all this myself.

Geez, how did you guys leave out Lateralus, the best TOOL song ever (lyrically speaking, its about astral projection). And the lyrics don't even compare with the actual song. Here is the best line, to those who don't wanna read the whole song .

-- to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human. --


Black then white are all i see in my infancy.
red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
lets me see.
as below, so above and beyond, I imagine
drawn beyond the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

Black then white are all i see in my infancy.
red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
lets me see there is so much more and
beckons me to look thru to these infinite possibilities.
as below, so above and beyond, I imagine
drawn outside the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition leaving opportunities behind.
Feed my will to feel this moment urging me to cross the line.
Reaching out to embrace the random.
Reaching out to embrace whatever may come.

I embrace my desire to
I embrace my desire to
feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow
to feel inspired to fathom the power, to witness the beauty,
to bathe in the fountain,
to swing on the spiral
to swing on the spiral
to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human.

With my feet upon the ground I move myeslf between the sounds and open wide to suck it in.
I feel it move across my skin.
I'm reaching up and reaching out. I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Spiral out. Keep going.
Spiral out. Keep going.
Spiral out. Keep going.
Spiral out. Keep going.
Spiral out. Keep going.

I just wanted to add my 2 cents.  I think that a big failing is thinking that human beings can comprehend everything.  I think your ability for comprehension is improved dramatically while in the astral, and you might figure a bit more out there.

Also, if god is all powerful, why could he not create life and give it the ability to evolve/adapt.  

There is a good book online that sort of has to deal with this topic (thanks sweet_celestial_sounds for showing it to me).  This story explains a great deal about our past, and whether or not you believe it, it's a great read.

http://bioresonant.com/cgi-bin/start.cgi/tp/ulog.html

The entire "Lateralus" album by TOOL.  Some of the songs are about OBE, and the entire sound to the album is mystical.  The word "lateralus" means 'a bridge connecting two parallel lines that would otherwise never intersect'.  The title track on the album is the most lyrically inspirational song I've heard.  -->  A few songs on every TOOL album are 'deep'.

I like, HemiSync: Remembrance,
       Buddha's Dream,
       Structures in Silence.

I'd also like to share a small part of a poem I heard (found a clip on Kazaa called: The Poem) by Maynard James Keenan, the lead singer of TOOL.

....to avoid pushing our mental thresholds, would result in mental regression... STOP. A mind regressing would result in the discontinuing of evolving knowledge, the deprivation of evolving knowledge would conclude to the loss of elite divinity, no divinity terminates spiritual progression.  Without spiritual progression, the soul is theoretically dead... GO!

-- I know there are other CDs I like for this reason, I'll post again if I remember.

acid and or shrooms would make a lot happen , but i don't recommend it (specially for the easily frightened), i recommend energy work everyday/meditation everyday.  Weed doesn't do shiznit but make it almost totally impossible to remember any dreams, so I imagine it'd make it near impossible to remember an OBE.

I believe it is as you say, your focus is on your astral as opposed to your physical.  

This post stirred up a memory in me.  Everytime I tried to sleep after a long day at the beach, I would feel as if the waves were still crashing over me.  As if I were swaying back and forth like the motion of a hammock.

I wonder if this was me shifting out of myself? Anyone have the same experience? I thought it was common but my friends said they never felt that way.

When I soft focus on something for a few, I also get the everything going black thing, but that is scientifical I believe as someone above stated.  Once my vision returns though, everything outside of my direct sight (i.e. peripheral vision) starts to wave, or the walls flex in and out with my breathing (like the effect you get when you trip).  I was thinking that maybe this supports the scientific theory that all matter exists in wave like energy form until viewed (and behaves differently upon observation) and put into perspective by your sense organs.  I don't know.. maybe I'm just a little insane.

I get this a lot.  If I daydream for a few, the wall will start to wave in the corner of my eye, or the floor will flex. Damn crawling walls! Leave me be! Hehe.

I like the bacteria explanation, but its wierd that they look 'energy' colored, don't know how else to describe it, like little rice size pieces of electricity or something.

I read that a few years ago, it sounds like a parallel physical dimension, if you're talking about what I think you're talking about?  Where its like he is himself, but in a different world, and he has a family, etc..??

I believe I posted my trance technique a few days ago, but I will try to go into more detail.  This isn't any technique I learned, I just sorta through some stuff together and it worked.  All of my trance states have been right before going to sleep as that has been the only times I practice energy work (changing that now, will do more work in the day).

First, I do some simple stretches on the floor before climbing into bed.  Once in bed, I do the physical relaxation he describes in Astral Dynamics, where you contract opposing muscles then relax them.  After this, I do a small session of breath awareness, in a way I learned in Yoga class (I think he goes over it in AD also).  I first breathe into my head and really concentrate on how my head feels (Breath awareness combined with Body awareness I suppose), then my neck, shoulders, arms, chest, stomach, etc.... all the way to my feet.  If any of these areas feel tight I try to relax them.  Afer this I do some mobile body awareness exercises.

I first start with my left big toe, feeling up and down the top of it with my awareness.  Once I feel that toe vibrating/tingling/etc., I concentrate for a sec on each of my toes on that foot.  Then I use brushing awareness back and forth across my toes until I can feel them tingling decently.  Then I use brushing awareness over the top of my foot from the tips of my toes to where my foot meets my leg.  Then I do the spiraling awareness exercise on the sole of my foot (see AD).  Afer that, I do the same with my right foot, then I try to focus on both feet at once.

Next, I use brushing awareness up each side of my left leg (front, back, left side, right side), then my right leg, then both at the same time.  Basically I use brushing or bandage wrapping type MBA techniques up the rest of my body until I feel each part start tingling.  Always, left, right, then both for me.  I'll usually go over my whole body twice, by this time, my body feels heavy with vibrations/tingling/energy sensations/etc.  

This is when I focus on my breathing and on the exhale try to feel as if I'm sinking, a feeling of vertigo, like going down on a elevator.  After a few minutes of this, I won't be able to sense my physical body anymore and the vibrations always feel heavier to me (sometimes I hear strange noises/voices (internal clutter).  Sometimes, prior to this step I will try to activate my chakras or 'feel' them, starting from the base chakra on up.  Most times my heart Chakra and my 3rd eye chakra starting pulsating hard and fast and I get too excited/nervous and lose my concetration .

As I am in the early stages of energetic development, I just try to hold this state w/out falling asleep, and have not yet attempted projection.  I may be doing a little bit too much leading up to the trance state, but its worked so far .

As a side note, I heard the phone ring once when I was in trance, it was right next to my head but it sounded like it was in another room, when I decided I would wake up and answer it, the sound increased 10 fold instantly.

That happens to me too, and also especially after I get out of the car.  It got so bad that I learned out to ground myself out as to not shock myself.  For awhile everytime I got out of the car it shocked me HARD, like painful hard, hehe.

Hey Shawn,

Do you know where you read that? I'd be interested in reading it myself. ~ Thx for the input.

I've never had a dream where I died, but I had a dream once that I killed my girlfriend and one that I killed my brother.  Which is wierd because I'm not violent (generally) and had no aggression towards them at the time.

Actually they're the worst two dreams I've ever had, after I killed them I realized what I did and was overcome with grief, but that didn't prevent me from sawing my brother into small pieces as to make hiding his body easier.... gives me the chills just thinkin' about it.

Exactly pana, and interesting about the bacteria, I never thought of that, hehe.

When citizens of one country start pointing fingers at citizens of another country, it is then that we have been manipulated.  All of the propaganda, etc., is generated for this exact point, for us to argue with each other and hate and or kill each other.

I've read it goingslow, and I highly recommend it to Sin.  A must read for any one looking to project or anyone who does.

Also, there are books on seeing auras with exercises intended to workout your eyes. May help.  One thing I think western medicine has done to us is make us reliant on treatment (i.e. glasses/contacts).  Why? You make more money off of a treatment then you do a cure.

I havn't worn my contacts for 2 years and one of my eyes actually improved, why just 1? I don't know.