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Thanks . I haven't written for years, but a couple of months back, I had one of those events which make you look at your life and where you are going. I decided I wanted to start writing poetry, and so I did . I definately consider myself a beginner in this, but hopefully i'll improve with time. I've been (unsuccessfully) trying to find some form of writing/poetry course near to where I live to aid me. I have some more poems here:

http://www.thestarlitecafe.com/perl-bin/base/search.cgi?name=misterjingo

They are all rough, first draft, attempts at poetry so most will have very rough edges. But they're great practice.

Hey,

Sorry about the delay in replying. I haven't been around much of late. I haven't really listened to Tool (they are not particularly well known UK side - although I do know of them from US friends), but i'll definately put them on my 'to listen too' list now .

our future together, we weave
from crystal strands, each of which
diffracts the sunlight into rainbow hues,
painting our hopes, dreams and intentions
across our attendant hands.
each new day sees, this structure grow
so that soon, it pierces our clothes, burrows
deeper into our flesh, binding us, into
a single fate – our beating hearts joined,
reverberating, along each rainbow thread.
any movement from others favour, sees
fractures develop, loud cracks – as
our prospective hopes stumble, and
parting, tears our hearts and flesh
causing this ephemeral structure to fail,
break apart, and come crashing to the ground
to reverberate within our aching wounds, and
along the corridors of our (now) separate lives.

This topic has been moved to Welcome to Quantum Physics!.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/index.php?topic=24979.0

Do a search on magnetic fields which encompass entire galaxies - it's very interesting reading.

tear fractured world sparks, an iridescent cascade
of perfect ephemeral rainbows, each one - a part
of me, just as each is a part of this, single moment
of transcendental beauty. descriptive words
fail upon my lips, as coherent language fails
to give truth, to this frozen epiphany.
it seems there exists, in each unfolding instance,
a near infinite display of perfection, hidden
within the tumultuous sea,
that is the human story.

Paranoid: Low
Schizoid: Low
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Low
Narcissistic: Low
Avoidant: Low
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: Low

killing human is morally wrong and every normal human being will tell you that no matter where he comes from. those who sacrificed people for the gods didn't think they were doing good they thought that if they don't do it there wouldn't be rain or that gods would send floods or earthquakes that would kill them .the difference is when you kill to save you're own life or someone elses... that is what is called necesarry evil and is not really good but is done for the greater good

Yes but morally wrong does not equate with evil. Morals are a human concept (just like evil); they have no absolute value outside of any single point in cultural history.

1. Belief Constructs

What is "real" and what is a "belief construct"?  When does an etheric body stop being "real" and become a belief construct?  We can never say, because there is no distinction between these two ideas, they are equal. 

The "reality" in which we find ourselves is simply a consensus environment in which all consciousnesses agree on a common environment.  The rules of this environment become what we percieve as the "out there".  However there is no need for there to be an "out there" at all.  Most likely there is no actual "out there" at all, just a common consensus of how things are.  So our "physical bodies" are just a consensus belief construct - in fact a very pwerful one.  Similarly the etheric body is a consensus belief construct. 

See bottom.

But there is no distinction between a "consensus belief construct" and a "real" objective thing.  So for this reason I think it's just as valid to talk about "etheric bodies" as it is to talk about "physical bodies".

If we look at any astral philosophy, objectivity is an illusion, as they usually all see reality as a consensus construct built by consciousnesses for some reason (usually to learn or such).
We can believe in energy bodies, and chakras and energy systems, But to me, they are not really necessary – if you put belief into them then sure, they might have a reality to you – but I see it as burdening oneself with extra belief systems.
Most people talk of returning to the source, or seeing reality as an illusion – yet to attempt to achieve this they seem to take on a lot of extra baggage (belief systems). It seems a bit like walking further from the goal to me.

2. Phasing Model

What I see as the big difficulty with the phasing model is that it's over-simplistic. Our "physical bodies" eventually pack  in and "die".  I haven't yet seen anyone explain how to "phase" back into your physical body after it has died?  If life were just a simplistic continuum of consciousness, as suggested by the phasing model, then why do we physically die?  Why can't we just phase back into the physical?

Well we can't because things are a bit more complicated than the phasing model suggests.  I do believe that it is over-simplistic to suggest that there is a simple continuum on which to place PWC, EP, AP LD etc.  I think it's a bit more complicated than that. That's why I don't really buy into it.  It's not all bad, but it's not completely accurate.

If you take 'reality' to be a model built by powerful consensus belief. Firstly, you agree that reality is a shared construct somehow manifest from this belief, and secondly, rules have been imposed on reality to give it the form it has now.
Phasing would see reality as a conscious construct (belief as you stated above) moulded out of consciousness itself.
The rules imposed upon this would give the reason why we cannot phase back into a physically dead body.
If you believe in this powerful consensus belief between consciousnesses creating reality and its rules, then that is literally the phasing model.
PWC, EP, AP LD can simply be seen as experiences on and in different constructs.


I'm not sure I'm articulating what I mean, but I'll try. Simply stated, I believe energy bodies, chakras, etheric bodies etc only hold reality in the human sphere of belief. They are constructs which have been formed over a very long time.
They exist because they were created, not because they are fundamental elements of the overall reality.
We can use these tools if we wish, but they are not essential. They are simply tools fashioned from humans cultural evolution and attempts to understand reality in and outside of themselves.
Other AP philosophies see these beliefs as absolute realities essential to all life. Phasing would see these beliefs as constructs fashioned over time out of consciousness.

Personally, I consider the possibility that physical reality was not created by consensus belief, but that its seemingly consistent nature between all inhabitants is due to causality driven processes cascading down the ages from the big bang. That is, sciences model might be correct.
For whatever reason, rudimentary consciousness formed, its been refined, and now we find ourselves here (as per evolution). The astral and areas stretching off from it could be a product of consciousness in the 'physical', rather than the physical being a product of the astral and higher realms.
Different areas of the astral would then have direct parallels with our base and higher emotions (which seems to be the case), and as one journeys deeper into the astral, the structure that the consistency of reality provides falls away, giving rise to increasingly abstract locales which have not got the cohesion of those nearer to reality.
This idea would place the physical as the source, and perhaps the perceived source as a sate so far out from the shoreline of reality that no interaction occurs so it is pure consciousness.

I saw MirroMask a while back, and I wanted to enjoy it more than I did. Some very nice visuals there, but it somehow seems to miss the mark. Definately worth a watch though.

Hmmm... well that clears that up then!

On a more serious note, I'm pleased to hear people on this board once again distinguishing "etheric" and "astral" projection.  I find it puzzling that while these terms were used by the early pioneers to mean quite different things, as pointed out by Synergy, the meaning has now been lost in all this talk about "phasing" and "focus of consciousness".  There seems to be this popular modern notion that EP = AP = LD = everything is really just the same thing. I've never really subscribed to that point of view.  The three experiences are quite completely different, IMO.

Things can be different but of the same medium. Phasing simply puts all experience into a single framework. I don't think anyone here would deny consciousness as a base for all these experiences. Phasing takes the view that it is all consciousness; these different experiences simply take place at different points on consciousnesses spectrum. Everything is a structure of consciousness, and while LDs might occur in 'perceived' 'internal' locales, and astral projection is the astral planes proper - they are ultimately born of the same stuff. RTZ OBEs which people usually invent an ethereal body for such experiences (to fit it into a preconceived belief system [conscious structure]) could simply take place in the areas of consciousness directly nearing the physical. So they would near enough mirror the physical, but can contain more creative elements.
One can continue to believe in energy bodies, etheric, mental, transcendental etc planes, but these are simply labels of conscious construct with no absolute truth or reality. Consciousness is and transcends it all.
I like phasing as it goes to the core, rather than getting caught up in structures built by thousands of years of reinforced belief. And as you can probably tell, I don't hold by tradition for traditions sake. All things change, including world (and death) views.

Yes, I have an appointment on Wednesday.

Thats good to hear. Perhaps to state the obvious , just let him know your concerns and talk over how you are feeling.

I hope it goes well.

Since I gave up the prozac the suicidal thoughts are starting to come back recently. I think I should go back on them again when I get my next dose of medication.

Hi Donal,

Have you got any form of appointments set up to speak with a doc reguarding your thoughts and medication?

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It is important to realize that 9/11 was not just the twin towers. We are also told that a plane crashed into the pentagon. If you look at photos from that day, it is quite evident that a plane did not hit the pentagon. A plane with two 6-tonne engines, wings and a tail leaves nothing more than a single hole?

There was a lot more than a hole. Please look at the pictures again. 3 walls of a very heavily reinforced building were penetrated and their internal structures destroyed.

Not to mention there is absolutely no wreckage of a plane at all.

There's lots of wreckage which matches that of the place which hit. Please look at the photos again and you can even compare the pieces.

Please look at the following link and read at least the first 20 pages if you want to find the truth rather than a conspiracy:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html

A lot of conspiracy sites and movies either miss out entire areas of evidence and facts, and either purposefully misinterpret facts to fit their agenda or downright lie. I've even seen one video of the plane hitting the pentagon had been edited to back up one 'theory'.

While there might be a lot of misinformation out there, and we might not have received the whole truth. A lot of conspiracy theories are bending a few facts to fit their story and leaving a lot out. Anyone who is interested in the truth, keep an open mind and read all the facts out there – this might require some searching as it's scattered about all over the net.

At the moment planets are discovered through dimming of distant suns (their orbit occluding the sun). Larger planets (gas giants) create such a dimming, whereas the dimming caused by Earth-sized planets might not be noticible with our current technologies. The fact we are finding so many planets out there is a good sign there are many planets of many sizes.

Agree with much of what Stookie has written. The only addition I'd add is a possibility. If one views the astral in terms of phasing, then there are no locales or planes as such. Just various 'structures' spread throughout consciousnesses infinite reach. One would have to include the physical as one of these locales too – that is, physical reality is just another point on the spectrum of consciousness. Why the physical is so consistent amongst many observers compared to other astral locations, and why it seems so structured and well formed is a question I don't have the answer to. Although the physical is also experienced through consciousness, I currently can't discount the idea that the physical has an 'external' existence too us, and is the staging board for the rest of the astrals creation. Time will tell.

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Do you think certain drugs can produce real OBEs?  If yes, how?

Yes. As to how, let's see what science eventually throws up. The brain is an electro-chemical organ, all our experiences and memories have their roots in chemical interactions at the synapse – so any drug which results in / triggers the same effects as OBE experiences should produce an OBE experience.
Before people jump on this – I am not saying consciousness is necessarily an emergent property of the brain – just that the brain in and of itself works through chemical means. Consciousness could be separate, but chemical interactions would still be our method of experiencing the physical.

Also, do you think that the fact that certain sounds recorded on CDs and drugs are able to produce OBEs prove that it is some type of hallucination?  And if it isn't a hallucination, how do you think these products work?

If we take the definition of hallucination from the dictionary:

[huh-loo-suh-ney-shuhn]

–noun

1. a sensory experience of something that does not exist outside the mind, caused by various physical and mental disorders, or by reaction to certain toxic substances, and usually manifested as visual or auditory images. 

One might successfully be able to argue that consensus reality could be a hallucination.
That is, reality is forever experienced internally and might have some shared 'external' manifestation which we can only ever know through our own personal interpretation (and the interpretation the physical brain has evolved to perceive).

I know this isn't what you meant, I'm just trying to make the point that what is or is not an hallucination is not a simple thing to determine to an absolute degree.

What would your criteria for OBEs not being a hallucination be? That such experiences could be shared between many in a consistent manner (such as external reality is)? That consciousness exists after physical brain death?

I believe binaural beat and similar technologies can produce OBEs through driving brainwaves to favourable states for such phenomenon to manifest i.e. moving ones focus from the physical to another point of consciousness.

On the other hand, even if particular sounds or drugs produce hallucinations, that doesn't mean all OBEs are fake.  So what's the difference between real OBEs and fake OBEs?

Ultimately, Is there, or does there have to be any difference? OBEs in essence are experiences on the spectrum of consciousness. If an experience is on a personal internal locale, or a potentially shared locale, it is still an experience on the spectrum of consciousness. I see no need to fracture any experience into any category – doing such things might make it a lot harder to experience anything as such beliefs bring with them expectations and preconceived notions which could stifle an experience before it happens.

I am fascinated by astral projection, though I have not been able to achieve much success so far.  These are just a few of the questions I am interested in as I continue seeking knowledge for my path....

Some people have detailed belief systems which require little personal proof on the nature of OBEs; others need a high degree of empirical proof to decide what OBEs are. Regardless of its meaning or truth, the OBE experience is something which can be experienced by anyone.
My advice would be to concentrate on reproducing the OBE experience and only then, through personal exploration of this state and open-mindedness, make your mind up on what the state actually is.

Some of that stuff has to be photoshop no way 

It's all about the angle of the photograph. If you stand in a certain position then you see it, else it looks like a very elongated picture. look at the world at the bottom to see how its really stretched .

Hey maverickthree,

I posted about an attempt to get to the moon here:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/index.php?topic=16658.msg145593#msg145593

Hey Andrew,

Thanks for sharing - it was a very interesting experience .

I love discoveries like this =).

Thanks for posting this, although i've seen some of them before - theres a lot of stuff I havent seen .

Firstly, black holes are still theoretical, secondly, they don't know if black holes can be formed in this thing (if at all), and thirdly, the black holes will be too small and have too little mass to do anything resembling damage if they are produced. Black holes decay and get smaller over time, so infinitesimally small holes shouldn't really have time to do anything

Edit: Although I could be wrong and when this thing goes live... BAM - or slluuurrrppp (a sucking noise) lol ;p

Hey interception,

I know where you are coming from. Does your work place have any form of procedures in place regarding racial comments or abuse?
I would have suggested the first step would be to take this person aside and speak to them; you have done this multiple times it seems to little effect.
What would be the consequences of taking this to a supervisor or line manager?
It's not pleasant working in an environment where racist comments are regularly made – even if they're made in jest and behind people's backs, the intent and content of those comments is offensive.
The UK used to see a lot of this, but thankfully, on the whole things have improved and such things in the work place can be dealt with.

Save you from being a skeptic of what? That the AP experience is real? Or from the claims made by a lot of people interested in AP?
You have experienced AP, so the experience in and of itself is real - anything more then that is really personal belief.
Is AP only interesting to you if the standard philosophies are true i.e. life after death, truly leaving the body etc? If so, why?
AP as an experience is pretty amazing, I have been projecting for a long time, and although more seems to go on than science allows, I am not totally convinced yet of conscious survival after death. But I'm going to continue exploring this state until then - and who knows, perhaps I will find proof I seek .
Ap is very important in my life, but sometimes other events take greater importance (as it should be) and I have to put my energies elsewhere. AP will always be there when I have time to devote to it. I let it compliment my life, rather than become it.