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Seers have said that All-Entity is "breezing" in and out over eons, endlessly. Remember that this is in our terminology. In ultimate reality, time does not exist in our terms. There is no beginning and no end. Rather think of life evolving in circles or spirals.

I can accept that time is probably just a human thing, but I can not understand it

If something evolves in Circles does imply that it goes back to were it was sooner or later. Isn't that kind of dead as well? a dynamic dead in a way. I would prefer a Universe that has the potential to create new things. Going in Circles does sound kind of boring..........

Yes: all possible situations do already exist in multi-dimensional reality.

By this do you mean all states our Universe can possibly have? Like a complete identical Universe to our current one just with the exception that one molecule is moving in a sightly different angle? Meaning that there is a Universe were I killed my sister, married my mother etc...
This does sound pretty self-defeating, if you ask me.

Do you have a theory how mind can interact with matter?

What do you think about the following theory?
In order to interact two things most poses similar "properties". For example: Time can not interact with Color, Mass can  interact with Energy.......
Therefore I would conclude that Mind and matter may appear different but that they are in fact made out of the same thing. Matter may just be frozen thought, Or may be thoughts from the All-Entity.
I dont know if I was able to bring my point across, kind of hard in english........

For more information, please consult my book, "Understanding the Grand Design". It's too much for this forum.

I'll put it on my wish list, has it been published in german? BTW I'm Swiss

Very interesting Topic!

Are there any born Blind People that can see during a OBE? I ask this, cause a NDE is (probably) not the same as a OBE.

A side note: It seems problematic to me that a born blind can definitely say he saw, because he doesn't even know how it should feel.
On the other hand I believe in Reincarnation, so he might know from a other lifetime! Ha! I just answered my own question

BTW: Catmeow, how is your Leg doing? Geetings from Switzerland, Miau!

JoWo

I just read your article for the first time and must say I'm stunned. It is really a great article. almost I would say the work of a genius, except maybe the last sentence:

Americans could lead this trend with a renewed American Dream.

Why do have Americans to be so patriotic?  

Anyways you present the ideas very well and manage to fuse science with Spirituality without creating a mess (like most others) I really think it is a breakthrough in thinking, It makes sense!
. At least I haven't read about this holon-ideas before, maybe I don't read enough...........
I have some questions though:

-Holon concept works, as I understand it, only if you have something besides the Holon. For example the Kristal + 3D-Space because you need a Place for the holon to exist. So, would this lead to the conclusion that there is something outside All-Entity?

-Did I understand you right that All-Entity does evolve and grow?
This again gives me headaches. If something evolves doesn't that mean it was less evolved once thus started to exist once?

-How can All-Entity have a will? If something is all there is, there is no Place to go, therefore a will is meaningless

-Do you have a theory how mind can interact with matter?

Cheers Tom

[Psan wrote:]

I must add that I started this discussion partly due to the fact that I often see people that claim to be spiritually progressed but when one takes a close look at their life's and their behaviors, one discovers that they are as "human" as ever. If somebody begs for money or if their jeans get dirty or if they have a fight with their girlfriend, , you know every day Life issues, they react not very evolved. if they get a unfriendly post reply they become offended
It sometimes seems as if they preach Water but drink wine. I believe Spirituality has very much to do with our every day Lives though.



Psan wrote:

They possess so much wisdom that issues such as material wealth, political powers, good and bad (ethics) etc become of minor importance, almost a joke. They are so free that nothing is good or nothing is bad for them, so they act as they wish. The act of forgiveness is nothing but a higher kind of indifference to them. Once you are out of material issues, it doesn't really matter who did what and for what. Only oneself is important.

What do you mean by "Wisdom"? You say they react how they wish. What do they wish?

alexdLeannain

I think Einstein was certainly spiritually developed; I am a big fan of his.

Why do you guys think that? It sounds almost as you assume a high IQ correlates with Spirituality. Do you believe so?

I am inclined to agree with your statements Psan, on many levels. However the journey within the self is not a selfless one.

I would second that. Why is it that People Like Buddha and Jesus preach good moral conduct? I would assume that a big part of spiritual evolution has to do with the realization that we are all connected. That separation is a illusion.

Nostic

But I believe that your spiritual intentions must first be selfish

Funny I believe pretty much the opposite. As long as we want something for ourselves as long as we want to become something we will partly block ourselves.
But of course we need good conditions for our practice and determination

[Nostic wrote:(somewhere else.....)]

Since Nobody is answering my questions I'm gonna talk a little to myself

Nostic wrote:(somewhere else.....)

An objective world is a world that appears to exist separate from you. A subjective world however responds to your thoughts, feelings and beliefs.

... just to be even more clear:
Objective - independent of your personal beliefs or feelings.
Subjective - dependent upon your personal beliefs or feelings.

I'm not satisfied with that, although I understand what you mean.

I don't think the physical world is completely independent from my feelings and thoughts, maybe it just reacts slower and less obvious? Your remark suggests that for example Telekinesis is hokum. But we don't have to look so far, it is pretty much proven that our believes affect out health (physical Body) not only that but your thoughts control the movements of your Body.

Secondly it is problematic to assume that there is a real physical world outside of our perception. All that you can be sure of, is the fact that there appears to be a physical world in your head based on your perceptions.
So maybe you meant: The perception of the Astral is dependent whilst the perception of the physical world is independent of us. But this physical world in your head is not at all independent of your thoughts. (one may look at the clouds and see a Butterfly one may just see water vapor)
The people may do the exact same hike but if they compare notes after wards they will discover that their experiences differed greatly.

Isn't that the same situation as in the Astral just less bold?

Or if we look at it from the other side. Is the Astral truly subjective?
No. Two People meet astrally and remember exact the same conversation.
This means that part of their experience was not based on thoughts, feelings and beliefs because the two people have not the same thoughts, feelings and beliefs but still the experience contains similar elements. An Astral experience therefore contains objective elements.

Or Frank says: Focus 4 has such an such qualities which everybody going there will experience.

Wouldn't it be more correct to just say that the physical world appears less dependent to our thoughts, feelings and beliefs compared to the other Focus levels, instead of making absolute statements?


I don't wanna overanalyse things but since we stand at the verge of a new science (quote Frank) it is probably a good time to think critically about terms before they get widely accepted.

Tom

oooppps.....

Thanks for the reply Nostic. Could you please copie it to the Thread "couple of phasing questions" cause I would like to discuss the subject further but I don't wanna abuse this thread any longer  

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Ermm, I actually intended to post this on the Spiritual Development Forum........Could a moderator please move it there?

Nice comments guys! I value your different viewpoints. It is not so much about finding the right answer to me question but to understand how others understand Spirituality

I'll write some of my views: I think I spiritual evolved being understands in a deeper sense why we life and how things work. through his greater understanding it can make wiser decisions to help itself and other beings progress on their path. I think spiritual Development has therefore no direct correlation with any superpowers although it may be that spiritual beings naturally gain more powers cause they are supposed to play a more significant role in the universe. So, I would say a spiritual advanced being usually has supernatural abilities but NOT every being with supernatural abilities is spiritually advanced.
I don't think it comes down to a math computation were you have to calculate how much certain beings value or something. I think a spiritual advanced being knows what is the best action to take to help all beings involved to progress. There are no good and bad for them anymore

Now the question remains what the "Path" is or what I mean when I say "progress". I like the above definition cause it leaves that open but I personally have of course some things in mind although they may not be correct (How knows?)

Two things come into my mind; gain more experiences and become more happy (become more Love) I also believe that a spiritual evolved being acts out of compassion and unselfish

To sum things up I would say:
I spiritual evolved being understands Life in a very deep sense therefore it acts wise and unselfish as a helper of Life and assists others to evolve into the same direction as well

I read you story.

Could also be, that you know the man in the dream from a other lifetime. like a glimpse into the past (or future) or swomething. Hope you find him though.

Spiritual Development means going from A, your current state, into B, a state you consider to be more spiritual.  Can you describe state B and why you wanna become B? What would a person in State B do differently then a person in state A?

(Sorry for writing so abstract, but I tried to keep it short and clear)

Hi

-Is there any specific time of the day when one should approach phasing?
I mean, for WILD it is usually in the morning or Nap-time, so basically whenever one is close to REM-Sleep. Is this true for Phasing as well? Is it possible to phase before sleep in the evening?

-How can I shift from Focus 2 (lets say a LD) into Focus 4?

-There are two words a have a hard time understanding and I would be happy if anyone could help me out and explain them (again), because I think they are vital to understand.
I'm talking about objective vs. subjective

-Why do vibrations prelude a traditional OBE but not WILD/Phasing?

Thanks Tom

Thanks for the insightful post Frank

There are two words a have a hard time understanding and I would be happy if you could help me out and explain them (again), because I think they are vital to understand.
I'm talking about objective vs. subjective
You use them quite often in your posts.
Thanks Tom

Build your world around experiences not around believes.

For me it is a simple as that.

Great experience! I wander what happens when you say "I want to BE my soul". If "God" is mean, He might simply transport you back to your Body and say "You ARE your Soul!"lol

As I understand you guys you say:

1) describing reality via a modell is a problem cause the modell will never contain the whole picture and therefore we will start to dismiss experiences that do not fit the modell.

2) If we use a modell the phasing theorie is most accurate

This makes sense to me, but some problems will arise naturally from here:

-In order to commuicate about something in a usefull way, we need a modell and definitions

-The phasing modell is hard to gasp for me cause it appears pretty abstract. I personally need to picture things, my brain ( and I guess most otheres) loves to picture things and to think in modells.
This is were the 7-Plane-Modells and stuff like that came in handy. You fly up and you go to the next layer.......Blabla.....

To get me wrong I like Franks theorie and it might very well be more accurate then any theorie before. But how can I picture it?
How most I imagine these different Focus Levels? Are they all at the same place? Do I need to pass Level 2 to get to Level 3 or can I go from 1 to 3 straight? What comes beyond Level 4? Is there something outside level 1?
I also have difficulties to understand what actually is traveling around. In the traditionel theories you had the Astral Body.......what is it in  the Phasing-Modell? Are we some kind of a point of consciousness? What are we really?
Then eventually questions like:
-How many focus Levles are there?
-Who created them?
-What porpose do they serve?
-What is a Soul?
and so on will arise........Well, I guess I might be talking to myself..........

In a nutshell: Frank, Please include some drawings in your book!

Cheers Tom

As for Vipassana meditation an excellent guide is:
"Mindfulness in plain english"

Keep in mind that progress thru meditation is a slow but very profond process. So, I'm not sure if it is what you are looking for.
Buy the book anyways though, you might give yourself the gift of this lifetime!

Tom

I

think this problem as it exists in this forum is exacerbated by the description of the Dreams section. It states:

Quote:
Everything pertaining to Dreams, Dream Journals, Dream Analysis, Lucid Dreaming, Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming, and related issues.



I don't know about the rest of you, but everything in that description has been and continues to be the bedrock for my studies on subjective reality. (It may have something to do with my youth and relatively recent popular acceptance of the term "lucid dreaming.")

Because of this, I think that all of those things are essential to keeping one's mind and possibilities open while also keeping a grip on things. And I think it's unfortunate that those topics seem couched in a middle and seemingly minor section of the forum - effectively distanced from the main sections.

Do any of you have an opinion on this?

I totally agree! This is a awesome forum but the dream section is definitely to small. I think one needful step in the further development of the Astralpulse is the upgrading of the dream section. A more emphasized dreaming section would possibly draw more "dream experts" to the Pulse which, I believe; would make further discusions even more "complete"

I personally feel that dreams can play a significant role in the understanding of the wider reality.

I forgot to add what suffering means:

Suffering = every unhappy state of mind
Suffering is generated when ever you want something you do not get, or get something you do not want.
Which happens quite often in my Life.............

I havent read the link but I can say you this: "Enlightement is not about believing what anybody says but about exploring your very own mind."
Others may guive you help how to do this. (IMO)

Enlightment means understanding how things work. Understanding how suffering comes into the world , not just understand it in a logical way but understand it through experience (Meditation) after that all questions are answered and all doubts removed, all seperations vanish.
There may be different ways that prepair the enlightement, but in the end it is not a brain-thing.

In Buddhist Teachings it is said that mindfully observing the breath itself can lead to enlightment.
Practicing Loving kindness, and thinking about the teaching can help as well.

This is the Buddhist view (IMO).....

Cheers Tom

I don't know if my reply fits here.........

I always thought that the term "enlightement" was introduced by the Buddha. I think, I understand (as far as it is possible in a rational way) what is meant by Enlightement in the buddhist Teachings. It is a very fundamental and beautiful concept that basically means "end of suffering"
Now, I don't know if this is what you asked or not

Tom

Nice!

Great Thread!

I would wish more of the advanced projectors would discuss their experiences and problems in public like you guys do! Not only can we all learn a great deal this way, but it also gives motivation and a good outlook of what do expect for the not so advanced projectors ( like myself .................)

Frank: I think it is really awesome that you take so much time for sharing you knowledge! Would it be possible that you would share some of your personnel experiences as well? Your talk about F4 makes me wanna hear more...........................

Cheers Tom

I once had a experience as well were I saw colors that do not exist in the physical. Was a awsome feeling I would like to experience again. I'm thrilled others have that same experience, cool!

Yes, you are correct. It is a belief.

Now, I'm confused!  Did you edit that reply?  I could swear your reply changed since the last time I read it, but it doesn't say "edited" therefore I'm confused........... What happened?

[We have incarnated in order to know who we are]

Well, I think that's how it is in reality. That's the game of life... the endless cycle of death and rebirth. The thing is... there comes a point in your evolution where you get tired of the cycle itself. Having super-powers is a nice little fantasy, but surely you'd eventually get used to them and become bored. Consequently, attaining super-powers is not the highest goal of spirituality. The highest goal is to transcend the cycle; to transcend the duality of death and birth, pleasure and pain, rise and fall, power and weakness... boredom and excitement. The highest goal is to reach a point where boredom or monotony isn't even a part of your consciousness, except as perhaps abstract concepts. The guy who wrote the dream diary was primarily interested in having incredible experiences. If that is your focus, you will remain in the endless cycle. Because it is inevitable that you will, at some point, have those incredible experiences (even if it's only when you die). And when you do have them, what's going to happen? You will say, well that was nice, but what's next? This is what suffering is- never being satisfied with what you have now. As you gain more experience, you become increasingly conscious of the cycle, and soon want to no longer be a part of it. Understand, it's not about what you have or don't have. Because no matter how much you do have, it will never be enough. The master has reached the point where there is perpetually enough, no matter what his outer circumstances may look like. This is the highest goal- to be perfectly happy with the NOW, and the now, and the now, and the now. When that happens, time loses its meaning (and time is the reason that it's even possible for you to get bored).

We have incarnated in order to know who we are. By first experiencing who we are not, in this world, we gain a level of understanding that was imposable in our pre-birth state. As we gained more and more experience and understanding however, we also became attached to the cycle of reincarnation. I'm sure it was fun for awhile, but the more you realize that you've now become a prisoner of the cycle, the more you will try to find a way out. The next step in our evolution is then to transcend the cycle... to go beyond our limited dualistic nature.

Wise words. But wherefrom do you know, why we incarnate?
I mean, it is a nice concept to believe that we incarnate to know who we are, but after all it is a believe, isn't it?