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I concur Fresco. Nice reply Xanth. I tried to applaud but must wait 100 days? 

We mustn't get lost in the semantics. I previously wrote a long response to this post but somehow it didn't show(?) I won't waste anyone's time I guess. You will make it G01kur_Kisel, you must persist. Don't keep changing your approach. All paths lead to the same destination eventually. It is the effort which will pay off. Look how much closer you are now than when you started. Reward yourself for the effort. The fact that you are here, posting and communicating with these fine people means you are closer than ever. Keep telling us of your success and close calls.

Enjoy the day! (Sunny here in Oregon, finally! )

Personalreality,

OK. I will ease up. Off my high horse. My soapbox just collapsed under my oppressive weight. You are right. I will no longer try to press meditation like it is the only "path to self knowledge".  I was only talking about AP and OBE, not "path to self knowledge". If you want to talk about path to self knowledge lets please not get me started. I should listen to my wife more, she says the same thing "ease up". LOL.

Sorry

Just a thought. If you are in a lucid dream I do not believe you should be feeling any "buzzing or vibration". If you are feeling this I say go with the buzzing and vibration and let that feeling surge and increase in energy/volume. It is from this that projection is most easy, at least in my experience. To project from lucid dreaming is certainly possible. CFTraveler hit that nail on the head with his star comment. I like to go for the moon, seems to do the same thing, I never made it to the moon though, LOL. Its hard to not enjoy lucid dreaming and get lost in that experience though.

Wow, you guys are great. These are excellent answers.

G01kur_Kisel -

You were right there. At the cusp of the experience. Go for the ride. Relax. Don't be afraid. Erase expectations. When you do project there will yet be another hurdle - "Now what do I do", as you bob around bouncing of the ceiling or some such phenomena. As long as youstay calm and concentrate on the experience it will take you where you want to go. Indians last post was very good info.

Don't get too confused by all the info out there. Pick a technique that is comfortable and go with it!

Thank you Xanth and nickspry.

The "passive" form I also a wonderful time to commune with your higher self. Time to answer and solve profound life questions. It is for this reason that I encourage people to practice it. The easier it becomes the more the benefits will arise. This will also help increase the ability to project at will, at any time of the day. Sounds too good to be true but I can testify that at the height of my meditation practice I was able to activate my mind into projecting at times when I wasn't ready. I could literally lay down to sleep, quiet my mind for sleep and suddenly would rush into incredible vibrations with that roaring in my ears. I would have to concentrate to sleep. That was about twenty years ago. Oh well. If I only knew then what I know now I would have never let down my practice.

It is very difficult to project during the day BECAUSE of the activity of the mind. It is very difficult because it requires the mind to focus, not drift. At night you are generally rested, have likely slept and the past days work is done. I believe you will find that, with a little practice in meditation, you WILL be able to project during the daylight. Brilliant colors, crystalline sunshine and the visible vibration of life all around you. This is the best time to fly, swoop over hills and dive into clear lakes and rivers. But that is the "RTZ" experience. I do not remember the astral, at least, not anymore. It will come again.

Yes my friend, I pray for everyone. It comes natural because I want the same for me. I have no proof it helps but it makes me feel better!

Sleep paralysis is a chemical (biological) result of the physical body preparing for dream state to keep you from hurting yourself when the dream state occurs. This is proved and documented throughout the literature involving dreams. It is no big deal. The problem is when you don't expect it. Expect it. If you set yourself up for a dream or subconscious experience this is natural. When you return to your body you will know this and simply be patient. Breath. Don't panic. Feel yourself come back. It is relaxing and peaceful if you see it as such.

A successful projection does not always do this but be aware it may.

AND - Personalreality,
Sorry, I agree and totally disagree with your comment regarding "meditation" - "oh, and meditation can assist you in control of your focus but it is not necessary". IT <IS> MEDITATION. What is it about people that don't get what meditation is. It has a multitude of healthy purposes INCLUDING AND NOT LIMITED TO astral projection. The practice itself is simply the FOCUS OF AWARENESS within the mind. And what else is Astral Projection? Good God! If more people would give up on the stigma associated with the word "meditation" maybe more people would get it!

Sorry but this forum is getting weird. People are being mislead here. To search within in yourself IS MEDITATION. When you go out of body or astral you are WITHIN YOURSELF. All "focus within". All is within! IN YOU! GOD! ALL BEING, LIFE!
SEE IT!
ENJOY IT!

Fresco,
Who "organized" the Bible. Just who said "this chapter goes here and this verse goes here"? Was it "GOD"? Have you not seen the latest (and I mean within the last 20 years) scripts which have just recently been deciphered? There are a multitude of "gospels" which have come out lately. Why were they not included in the "Bible". Quite simply it is because they were not "found" or they were omitted. Google it. It is true. I'm not talking about some Umberto Eco novel either. Read them. Try the "Lost Books of the Bible and the Forgotten Books of Eden" for one. I have it and read it. It is documented archival history. NOTHING like the "Bible". In fact, much more fun to read and tells you much more about the myth of historical man.
Read some Joseph Campbell, "The Hero With a Thousand Faces" or " The Power of Myth". Don't take my word for it. Don't take anyone else's word for it. History is rife with these stories but that is all they are. MAKE YOUR OWN STORY in this life! YOU CAN!
Enjoy your Bible. Revere it. Preserve it for you and your family. It is not all there is. There is in fact much more to come.

I love you and your opinions.

Ryuk,
My friend. Meditation is the CORE. It is the CORE of all mental awareness. ANY and I mean ANY projection is achieved through the focusing of energy through your MIND, NOT YOUR BRAIN. This is not "new age". It is the CORE. Read Frank Kepple's stuff. He states he is approaching things "scientifically". Sure. I'll accept that. He "demonstrated" and use "scientific method". Fine. But can anyone of any salt here tell me that what he did to achieve conscious projection was not meditation? If you do I will call you out. That is what meditation IS. Come on. I have been meditating for thirty years. READ A BOOK ABOUT IT. PRACTICE IT. You will see. Meditation is the gained awareness of the MIND, not the "brain". It is the mind that is involved in projection. Hell, it is the mind that is involved with most all intelligent decisions you make! That is why it is so integral to practice. Meditation IS the simplest path. It only involves you and your dedication. It costs you NOTHING. If you do not believe me then have fun doing it your way. Just don't waste anyone's time telling them otherwise. It is only through exercise that the muscles become strong - same with your MIND. Do it every day. Even ten minutes will lead to thirty and eventual release. I guarantee it.

I mean no harm. I am sorry if I come across hard but too many people want something for nothing. You won't get it that way. Period.

Fresco,
I deeply believe you are entitled to your belief.  No kidding, if only more people would HAVE a belief that harmed no one we would all be better off. I have no intention of influencing anyone's system of cultural idioms. Forgive me if that is what I seemed to be communicating. The last thing I would want is for "everyone" to think like I do!
Bless you and your beliefs! I will pray for you! (I do believe in prayer)
Thank you my friend,

Enjoy your day!

Nice post. Yes. Use spell check.

Your point will be lost on many. Projection is an art. It is a practice. It is not something you do off the cuff. Time must be set aside. YES you can have an experience from sheer exhaustion or phenomenal stress. That is not the point however. Yes accidents do happen.  "Only through the fire of acts is heaven brilliant and hell aflame", its what you do that makes it work. Too many people want something for nothing. So, you had a couple experiences that opened your eyes to possibility. Great. DO something about it. I have as busy a life as anyone yet there is always time to practice, even if it yields no results at that time. The practice is what will yield results.
I'm really sorry to see so many people here downplay "meditation" as some kind of unnecessary "new age" BS. Meditation is the science of mind. It is personal, objective and necessary. If you don't give yourself that time you are missing out on the critical link. It IS the link to that which you seek. Practice it over and over and over and over and over and over until it is natural. I don't care how scientific you want to make things. You can drift in the lower realms forever, or, find out just what your "mind" is made of. It will not be done by any other means than "meditation". Please argue if you would like. By "you" I mean those who disagree. 

Enjoy it!

Astral sex? Who hasn't delved into lurid and steamy dreams. "Sex" is physical only. I don't care what any person says on this subject. "Passion" and "Love" exist to be shared astrally. If you are "horny" when you sleep or project you will be biologically driven to satisfy that primal urge. It is a distraction. Satisfy those urges prior to a projection and you will most likely be assured of a succubi/incubi free experience.
Sex "demons". LOL. I've been called worse.

Enjoy!

Fresco,
Yeah, I agree completely. Mainstream religion and the corporate enslavement of the masses through fear of the "unknown" and an all fiery doom for any nonbelievers. I quit going to church when I was old enough to tell my parents "no" (and they weren't church goers themselves). As a long standing practitioner of "Magick" I have to say that the modern world leaves little to wonder at. The physical world has been dissected into its finest parts. The higgs boson particle will soon be found and just what will that prove, "the God particle". Talk about a microscopic view. There is a much grander view just waiting for all of us if we would just take the time to see it, stop and smell the flowers.
I did read the Bible in my teens. By that time I already had both feet firmly entrenched in the Golden Dawn trying to scry my immature butt off and work the miracles of Jesus. The Bible is nothing but a violent history of myth and human suffering. There is absolute proof that anything of substance has been removed and manipulated by kings of old. Even the great Church of Perversion and their failed attempts at quelling centuries of atrocities can no longer maintain the secrecy that has protected them from scrutiny. Mainstream Islam is killing off its own, suiciding its most devote in their hopes of heavenly virginal copulation. Lies, Lies Lies. Judaism produces nothing for the majority and hordes any beneficial humanitarianism behind a persecution complex so deep it will never respond to therapy. Don't even get me started on the apocalyptic future of Mormons, Seventh Dayers and Jehovah's Witness. Samsara, for lack of a better term, envelopes mankind in a murky veil. The very God we ALL are part of is hidden from its most ardent worshipers.

It is up to us, free thinkers and seekers of truth, the very people who frequent forums such as this, to push the envelope into the New World. Pioneers of a future free of discrimination and persecution. The futility of War can no longer be spent on the innocent. The Age of Consciousness looms before us and we must bring it to fruition through our collective efforts and sacrifice. Meditate and exercise your minds. Free you "soul" from the bonds which never existed in the first place. That is the message of Jesus. We all are and have always been free. We choose to enslave ourselves.

LOL. Sorry, "just kidding". Good thing I wasn't intoxicated by anything but my own lunacy. If anyone reads this please don't be offended. I promise not to rant anymore, Never again. Yeah right!

Yes, I'm sure. I'm always half-kidding as well. I never want to take myself too seriously! You WILL definitely OBE soon I am sure. Thanks for being patient with me 

Fresco,
Why jealous? I know, probably a dumb question on my part. All of this began when I was a child. Parents were 1960's American hippies. Practicing Rosicrucian's. The literature and ideas were rampant in my household. It was all love baby! Of course, none of that all lasted. The education though is something I still carry. I started practicing meditation at 7 years old - not because my parents taught me, because I read the manuals. Read the books and watched crazy 1970's documentaries about OB E's and telekinesis and all that psychic stuff. Israel Regardie, Eliphas Levi, Aleister Crowley, Blavatsky, Mathers, Waite, Sufism, Buddhism, Qabbala, Yoga (my personal fave), Christian mysticism and just about everything else to do with Magick, THE KEYS TO THE MYSTERIES!
Yeah, well, I still have more questions than answers my friend. A successful launch to focus 3 and/or 4 might just summarize things for me. The personal journey is greatest as long as it never stops.

Enjoy the ride!

Thank you Xanth!
Yes, "Focus 2 oC" sounds correct the more I analyze. This is the frustrating part. I have been playing like that for 30 years. I think that is why the last ten years have been so slack. I want the true astral experience. I can jump out of body no problem, its old hat. Its so familiar I find myself wanting more.
The comment on the emotions, yes, I think I do get carried away with the moment. I have been trying to be more somber, working on the focus rather than the act. I'm just not sure what I'm missing. I have been rereading old books and recently Kepple's (?) stuff (which I like). I guess I'm just not getting something somewhere. I'll keep trying and posting. I really appreciate the help.

Enjoy the day!

First off, please forgive the grammar - I'm posting this from cell phone while bored at work during the tail end of a night shift.
Anywho, two days ago I decided to pursue an astral experience as opposed to lucid dreaming or "RTZ" projection. I decided to seek the vibrations I used to encounter so often that have been so elusive the last several years. The astral realm is an unfamiliar place for me, i have often found myself wondering if I am not just lucid dreaming.
So - prepared myself physically, meditated to empty thought, found energy source in my chest and fed it with my mind. Bam! it came on like I had hoped but more than I expected. Moved out of body to next to the bed. Felt the pull of my body so decided to quickly move away from it and "ran" down the hall, through the living room and "dove" through the window into my front yard. Grey skies and rain at dusk felt so good. I raised my hands to the sky and shot upward as fast as I could thinking I would break through the clouds into the starry night. Started "yelling" out "take me to the astral realm!" (didn't know what else to say). Suddenly something fiercely grabbed my left hand and I was swept away only to find myself standing in the middle of a beautiful forest. A loud voice yelled "run!". There was a trail in front of me so I ran. What an exhilarating experience. I ran and jumped. Careened around corners and lept over ravines and logs. Eventually I came to a small farm and met a kind man who asked me if I liked to run. I said yes and he said "well don't stop now". I ran for what seemed hours before returning to my body feeling completely energized and awake.
I have run in my "dreams" before. This was something quite different, like a specific exercise I needed. And the grabbing of my arm! nearly startled me back to my body.
Any comments are appreciated. Am I getting closer to astral? oh well, the fun is in the trying!

This is a fun question. I can't say how many times I have tried to read something in a "dream". I also have written in dreams. It never makes sense to read because it just doesn't seem to work. Now, when lucid dreaming, and focusing hard, I am able to "know" what is written while being unable to actually decipher the text. I am not sure if I have ever "astral" projected but in the "RTZ" I find "reading" to be similar to the lucid dream experience, I "know" what is to be read.
I hope that makes sense. You might try to see if you just "know" what is written when focusing on the text.
Enjoy!

Thank you CFTraveler.

Yes, I would have no idea of retrieving anyone if I were in that position anyway. And yes I am today questioning dream vs lucid dream vs astral projection. I always do that anyway, question my experiences. I usually gauge the experience by the amount of lucidity, emotional level and ability to control/participate the environmental processes. This was very lucid, I "felt" myself there and controlled my focus with purpose and intent. Once focus was lost so was I. I will have to continue the pursuit, "endeavor to persevere".

Enjoy the day!

cfTraveler and Risingson,

Thank you so much for the responses. I posted this accounting here because I was looking for others of like mind - persons able to break the convention of "well he's dead now, it's in God's hands" or "People who commit suicide go to hell". The simplistic views of existence. I was looking for others who might encourage or provide hints as to how I might pursue this effort. I have read of people who participated in astral "retrieval". I have been stuck wondering about my fathers well being since he died. He was very ill. I no longer hold ill judgment although I found this hard in the beginning. I do not think my purpose is retrieval it's about the contact, continued experience with the soul I so enjoyed.
By posting here I am looking for people who think, who consider, who know there is more to this life than the life we see. Thank you again for the response. It helps.

LOL. Yes it was long. Hopefully more readers are bored as well if thats what it takes. I have the tendency to over-elaborate to try to get my point across. Just ask my wife!
Thanks for the comment, I feel better already.

I agree completely with what this person says. All my experiences were caused by my own exploration and intention. The information available through books, the internet and ect. is more simply motivational. Beware of anyone trying to sell you information on how to accomplish astral projection. If you cant do it just off of the practice itself you wont achieve any further buy spending your money.
This is a worthy link ridinOnthewind, thank you.

ENJOY!

Really? 24 views and not one comment but my own? Are there no opinions, constructive criticism or related experiences? Surely someone could at least say "Dude, you're a dork!" This is disappointing.
My friends, I related an experience of a deeply personal quest. This was just one of dozens of experiences I could share. This was simply my most recent and, I might add, successful attempt after much time letting my skills languish. There can be no arguing that at the very least I was able to summon the visions I sought - no small task in of itself.
For anyone who is even somewhat knowledgeable regarding astral projection this must be a worthy quest. The experience is firmly rooted in my mind. I know this was significant. I feel it in my heart. Catharsis does not come easy.

Someone please respond. I really hate to think I would be wasting my time here. Is it the length of the story? Does my writing style turn you away? Is it the personal mature of the event?

Thank you!

I first registered with this site yesterday but have perused articles here on and off for several years. I sincerely apologize if this message is too long or wordy. I just felt the need to share.

Two months ago a dear old friend of mine passed away suddenly after a long bout with a tragic illness. He had been my mentor. My only real source for substantive discussion of things metaphysical. He and I both shared countless hours of discussion over the last 25 years of my adult life. His wisdom and intelligence set many in awe but his countenance and mannerisms would set you at ease. He was a teacher who was not afraid to learn. I called him "Pops"; he was my father.

His death was a suicide.

I only relate this short story because it is the cause for my resumption of practicing projection. I have been coping well and have much support. Those who are supportive share many varying views on death and dying, let alone suicide. There are some spiritual friends and some religious friends. I love them dearly for their support but unfortunately none quite share my beliefs. I have decided to pursue my neglected practice because I felt the need to search him out. To see if I couldn't find that soul and directly offer my love and forgiveness, encourage him to love and forgive himself.

My skills of projection have been rusty of late, to say the least. It has been at least six months since my last successful attempt. I have mostly been practicing lucid dreaming which comes easy to me. I have been rereading some of my old astral projection books and literature, visiting a few reputable websites and relearning my best techniques.

Tonight I went to bed with intention. I slept soundly for about four hours with purpose. When I awoke I drank some water, voided, made sure the house was in order and returned back to bed. I positioned myself lying on my back with my head slightly craned back to maintain open airway. With my eyes closed I began to relax and comfort my nerves. My breathing was allowed to become even and slowed. When ready I began shifting my focus and releasing my thoughts. After about an hour of using old familiar techniques I was about to give up. I was in a satisfactory trance state though and decided to try something new. I recalled reading on this forum of "noticing". Was that from "Frank"? Anyway, I proceded to start "noticing" and stirred my imagination.

Here I will now present my brief journal account as I had written when I completed the "projection" -
"The process of noticing.
The focus of the situation.
Drifting in dream.
Bloody furniture falling away.
Government buildings,
bivouac with my boss.
Important documents.
Three in a bed,
empty room - Noticed him!
Stark office,
meditative pose.
My comments,
dawning realization.
I AM HERE!
It worked."         - I always journal in a brief format to help stimulate memory of the experience. Usually works well.

It may have only been minutes but soon I realized I was dreaming. The images presented as what I imagined, for the most part. They were related to recent memories of my father. I allowed myself to progress through the dreaming as I worked on lucidity (this can be the hard part sometimes). When negative or emotional images presented, ie. "bloody furniture", I cast them away.
I found myself sitting against a cement wall when my consciousness fully awoke. I looked over to my right at what appeared to be several large 5 or 6 story buildings. I could hear voices coming from the buildings, sounding like people were at work. The area had a "military" type feel (my father was ex-military). I continued to examine the scene and focus on my awareness when a lady approached me. It was my current supervisor at work. I have never dreamed of her before (never would have wanted to either!). She stated she had a "job" for me and handed me a large yellow envelope. I remained seated and informed here I was "on a bivouac!", implying I did not want her task. She handed me the envelope anyway and walked away. When I opened the envelope I found myself suddenly swept away, I was off my feet, feeling as if I were flying upward. I struggled here to maintain awareness, focusing hard in front of me. Suddenly I realized I was laying on a large white "mattress" in a room surrounded by darkness. I was in the middle of the mattress and I realized that there were two nondescript beings on either side of me. I thought for a minute I had returned to my own bed, that perhaps my wife and one of my children was there with me. I turned to my right and realized my father was laying next to me! He appeared to be asleep.
It may have been an emotional response but I almost lost focus at this point. My vision blurred and I felt as if I were spinning. The other "person" in the bed took my hand and led me to what appeared to be an office. It was like a patient room in a doctors office. I noticed a bench and two chairs as I regained my focus, using the environment to give me perspective. I looked around further and suddenly saw my father sitting cross legged on the window sill, in a yogi-type pose. His eyes were closed and he did not move.
I said "that's quite the meditative pose!" and his eyes slowly opened. The expression on his face was one of surprise. I asked "are you really here?"
He looked at me as if he were dazed, "yes, I am really here." He began smiling at me and appeared very excited. He exclaimed "It worked!" I did not quite know what he meant.
At this point I felt my emotions were flooding my senses and had to resist the urge to rush to him and hug him. I could have cried. Instead I kept my calm by becoming "serious". "I want to be blunt with you right now" I said.
He also looked somewhat serious, "that will be fine".
At this point I realized there was that "person? being?" standing outside a door to the room. I went to the door to close it for privacy. As I was closing the door I panicked and realized I had dropped the focus from my father. I caught one last glance at him when I felt the pull and surged out of the scene. I knew I was returning to my body. Last I saw was an odd honeycombed, golden "grid" fall away from me and I was back in my bed.
I allowed myself to rouse gently, not fight the paralysis I knew was there. As soon as I was moving I documented the brief note. I will say that the experience is firm in my mind. It was cathartic to say the least. I felt relieved. There was no sadness. It was as if we had exchanged something or shared something despite the brief encounter. As I am writing this I consider what others would think. Just a fanciful dream of a worried mind? A lucid dream of my own construct? Or how about a true projection to my intended destination?

Tell me what YOU think.

Ignazio,
Curious if your question is related to sleep or did this occur during a projection or attempted projection? If you were just sleeping this may have been positional, as previously stated here, or you may have sleep apnea. Snoring and sleep apnea are two different things although one may snore if you have "chronic obstructive sleep apnea".
As an aside, if this occurred during a projection attempt you will want to discover a body position that allows unobstructed air flow, such as sitting or laying on your side. I position my head, propped in a particular way on my pillow when I am preparing to project. It is simply not worth the effort to project if you are awakened by hypoxia!
I apologize if I have only stated the obvious. Good luck and enjoy!