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quote:Originally posted by Edi

I don't think this is what Mayatnik said and meant; I would see it in this way: any possible problems that could arise from such 'invisible friends' can only be dealt with properly if it's possible to talk openly about such things and if the parents try to understand what the child percieves. It is necessary that a child can trust his parents, that everything can be talked about. So from this point of view, it is not about encouraging children to 'contact invisible friends', but about having an open-minded understanding about such things in society in general. This open-mindedness dictates a big part of how the family can deal with such things, NOT concealing things behind fear and conditioning, but trying to understand and help the child.

I agree about being open-minded and im sure a large majority of parents are (unless you or Mayantick know otherwise). But that wasn't the entire impression i got from what he was saying. He and his guide say that Telepathy is a natural ability (and i don't necessarily disagee with that) and gave an example of how children possibly have this ability by referring to "invisible friends" that they talk to. He then went on to express (as i think you are also saying in a sense) that this natural ability is 'dampened' due to the conditioning by parents.

My question still stands to Mayatnik and his guide though if they think children should be encouraged to talk to these "invisible friends" via their supposed telepathic ability. If this is not what he meant then i'm sure he will speak for himself, but i would still like to know his answer to my question.

The reason i ask is because he seems to disagree with the way some parents "knock it out of them" (i.e. the Telepathic ability to communicate with 'invisible friends'). If he does disagree then the other option would be to not "knock it out of them" which was the impression i got from his words.

It must be stated, of course, that just because a child has an "invisible friend" doesn't necessarily mean there is anything there but their own imagination.

Hi James,
        thanks for sharing your story. I am having misgivings whether it was a good idea to start this thread.. but i do have questions for Wecha if you both don't mind.

I would like information about the Planet the corporeal Pleiadians inhabit. If there is more than one planet just pick any for now.

1. Which star does it circle in the Pleiadian system (i.e. their sun)

2. How far away from their sun is their planet.

3. What is the angle of their planets axis (i.e. ours is 23.5 degrees).

4. What is the circumference of the planet at its equator.

5. Does it have polar ice caps.

6. What kind of atmosphere does it have (i.e. what differences if any to Earths).

7. What seasons does it have (i.e. similar to earths as in Summer, winter etc.)

8. Population size.

9. What is the estimated mass of their planet.

10. If there is more than one planet revolving their sun, as in our solar system, how many and how many are inhabited.

11. Are there any main differences to our planet and what are they.

Any other descriptions of the planet she is willing to share would also be interesting, thankyou.

quote:Originally posted by MAYATNIK

Telepathy is natural, all have the innate ability.  And children often have an 'invisible friend' who they talk to... that is, until an adult knocks it out of them: "Nonsense.  It's all in your imagination.  Don't let me hear you mention it again.  You'll show us up" or words to that effect.   So, the 'invisible friend' is forgotten, put to the furthest recesses of the mind and, mixed with what they become conditioned to later as they grow, the notion develops that it is somehow bad, something to conceal.

Hello Mayatnik & Guide,
                        are you saying then that children should be encouraged to make contact with these "invisible friends"? This seems to be what you are saying.

In the interest of giving a differing view of how contact with "invisible friends" can be dangerous i will post a link to one of Robert Bruces' Experiences regarding this. As you probably may know if you have read his PPSD book, Robert has worked with children having psychic disturbences for quite some time and has a lot of experience in this area. The article linked is what led him to have a full blown possession experience which he describes in his book.

Please also note that Robert says this in the introduction;

"Please  keep in mind that this type of event is highly unusual  --
even  for the astral.  It is due to the nature of some of my  work
and  research, i.e., exorcism, psychic self defence  etc,  that  I
sometimes  get  into hot water and come into direct  contact  with
dark  entities.  The astral is usually a very happy, peaceful  and
interesting place to be.  I do not mean to intimate, in  any  way,
by  this  story, that it is full of bloodthirsty, howling  demons.
It  is  not.   But, this does not mean that dark entities  do  not
exist,  they do.  Dark entities are just not that common  and  are
usually  very  shy creatures. They generally take great  pains  to
hide their unsavoury activities from the living.

Why?  For two main reasons:  A human being, consciously projecting
into  the astral has great power, whether the projector knows  how
to  use  it or not.  Dark entities are aware of this latent  power
and   are  naturally  afraid.   They  also  seem  to  want   their
involvement  in the physical dimension kept a secret, for  obvious
reasons."

http://www.beyond-the-illusion.com/files/New-Files/980331/astralKnights.txt

(HTML version here: http://hem.passagen.se/witchy/Dai/upplrobknights.htm )

Robert also says a bit more about it here;
http://astralresearch.com/posts/posts/12419105.html

I would be interested in what Mayatnik or the Zetas have to say regarding this type of experience and whether they still think children should be encouraged to have 'invisible friends'.

I would also like your opinion of the description Robert gives of the "symbiotic parasites" and how similar the description is to certain "aliens".

LVX

McArthur

quote:Originally posted by Kuhl

Edgar Cayce gave accurate medical readings when he was connected, predicted future events accurately, and could tell you anything that you would ever want to know.

http://skepdic.com/cayce.html

Prayer works i find and there are plenty out there related to this subject. What i also find helps is if you raise your consciousness/energy level while saying the prayer and be powerful in the way you say it. Vibrating the words loudly and visualizing white fire (holy spirit) coming from your mouth as you pronounce the words.

Here is one called "The Rune of St Patrick". I quote from a book on Celtic Shamanism called "Fire in the Head" by Tom Cowan;

"St Patrick's lorica is a Christian variation for older magic, typical of the druids. Patrick composed it on a trek to Tara fraught with enemy ambushes. Before the Saint and his eight young clerics departed, he cast a spell over them to make them invisible. As they passed, the enemy soldiers saw only eight deer. As an enchanment of invisiblity or as a shapeshifting feat, Patrick's spell succeeded, and he sang triumphantly the hymn that became known, appropriately, as the "Deer's Cry".
   The hymn also includes "Patrick's Breastplate," translated in numerous ways over the years to emphasize either the poetry or the prayer. In the version below with its lean, unembelleshed imagery, the lorica could be uttered convincingly by any pagan priest or shaman.

I arise today,
Through the strength of heaven,
Light of the Sun,
Radiance of Moon,
Splendour of Fire,
Speed of Lightning,
Swiftness of Wind,
Depth of Sea,
Stability of Earth,
Firmness of Rock.

A considerably expanded version of the lorica survives as the Rune of St Patrick. The elements of nature are the same as in pre-Christian spells but the final invocation is for God's help to protect the spellcaster from evil.

At Tara today in this fateful hour,
I place all Heaven with its power,
And the Sun with its brightness,
And the snow with its whiteness,
And Fire with all the strength it hath,
And lightning with its rapid wrath,
And the winds with their swiftness along the path,
And the sea with its deepness,
And the rocks with their steepness,
And the Earth with its starkness:
All these i place,
By God's almighty help and grace,
Between myself and the powers of Darkness."


The longer version above is great and i get really good effects! I start off slow in a low voice then with each succeeding line raise the volume of my voice until the last three where you can almost feel the power of the words as you powerfully intone "By Gods almighty..." etc. I think part of the trick with these is to actually inflame yourself with prayer. Oh and if you use this you may want to change "At Tara..." to wherever you are etc. Also perhaps just as you pronounce the last word in the prayer and if you own a bell (i collect bells) strike the bell with a striker as if to add dramatic emphasis on your command.

I actually tried the coils of hose under my bed and did get some relief from it but i don think i had enough coils there. Im not sure about the glasses of water because i think the water has to be flowing for it to work.

Its easy to find my first post, its the 6th one in the entire thread in response to the article that was posted. But for you, because im in a good mood, the answer is no.

And my comment about the ego thing was in response to the last sentence in your post;

quote:I would love to discuss issues other than the protection of fragile egos though.

Anyway, its certainly been an interesting thread and i do admit that my posting style can be a bit ascerbic at times but at other times i can be a purring pussy cat. [)]

quote:Originally posted by Ken


There is no way anybody who lives upon this Earth in this age could ever channel God.  
have not read the bible in years,but here is a quote.
(I Timothy 6:16 Psalm 104:2). The high priest had to shield his eyes, because "no man shall see Me and live."

Hi Ken, you might be surprised to know that in the Bible God appears three times in human form to various people.
http://www.donmeh-west.com/ToDie.shtml
"Nevertheless, Yahweh took human form at least three times in the Old Testament: first to Abraham at the Oak of Mamre (Gn 18:1-5); second, to Moses on Mount Sinai (Ex 34:6-9); and third, to the Community of Israel in the desert (Dt 5:24). Moreover, concerning the apparition at Mamre, rabbinic tradition holds that "Yahweh personally appeared [as a man] to Abraham" (The Midrash Says, Vol. 1, p. 159), and there is a Talmudic dictum that Yahweh himself will come as the Jewish Messiah. "

And also don't forget that it is widely believed that the Bible is the Word of God (i.e. whoever wrote it must have channeled God).

Now i'm not saying this proves Mustardseed is channeling God, just providing info is all. []

(I must admit though i think Mustardseeds God seems pretty cool.)

[acidic]

Well, just in the interest of accuracy, what you actually said was;

quote:On a more acidic note. Perhaps DK has been taken over by the negs that were attacking her.

Hence why when I came here I thought she was an evil psychic vampyre.

Anyway, i think its time for me to kick back and relax and enjoy my beer. [8D] Do you like beer rhinegirl?

quote:Originally posted by kiauma

Are you talking about me McA?  

Please see my very first post in this thread for your answer.

quote:
And i see nowhere where anyone has commented on my comments of the latest article posted in this thread where i felt i made valid points of why the author does not know what she is talking about.

You mean your 'valid' point of accusing me of causing an argument?  LOL - I thought my non-answer of that said it all - e.g. no argument from me.  []

No, read what i said again. Was it you who wrote the article i was responding to?

And i'll say it again, your one liner was offering nothing to the discussion but a mocking, sarcastic attitude.

Ah isn't it great this "ego accusation" rule eh? When you have nothing you can think of to say, and all else fails, just mention "ego problems" and it somehow makes your points valid doesnt it? []

Please do post your thread about ego and let us know which forum it is in because i am now highly interested to read what wise words you may have on the subject.

(snips more rubbish not worth responding to)

quote:Originally posted by rhinegirl

I never said she was bad. I simply made the observation that she is passive aggressive.

Well, coupled with some of the posts i have seen you make to DK (such as the one where you call her a "PSYCHIC VAMYRE" in big bold red letters) and your further thread titled "DK's petition" it seems to me you are somehow obsessed with her for some reason. From these observations and a few others it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to realise that all you were doing was being insulting.

I think this whole "shutting down the PSD Forum" started when James stated;

quote:Can we please get back to posting on the subjects of the topics and stop these petty squabbles. If not, this PSD forum, valuable or not, will be shut down just like the energy sub forum was shut down because of ongoing arguments among DBZ followers. Arguments like these are damaging the entire AstralPulse forum and there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR IT!

As he was posting as a moderator i took this to mean the Mods would consider shutting this forum down. Hence my reply in that thread. I have already started building a Psychic Self-Defense Forum myself where perhaps people may be able to talk about this subject in a more supportive atmosphere. Perhaps it wont be needed but its there if it is, once finished.

quote:Originally posted by rhinegirl

Typical of passive aggressive people like DK.

And what does that imply? Are you being some kind of armchair psychoanylist now?

Not that i am agreeing that DK is a "passive agressive" person but what does this mean exactly? Does it mean she is a bad person? I'm just curious what you mean by your comment and why you said it.

It was basically just an insult wasn't it because you had nothing more positive to offer?

quote:Originally posted by kiauma

And yes, you are so right it sparks defensiveness! - and the correlation of those who jump on the defensive and those who feel attacked by 'Negs' is %100!!!  Coincidence?  Think about it.

It isn't really about being "defensive" its about being shocked at some peoples insensitiveness, because of their lack of understanding and/or fear, of what it is really like to suffer neg problems.

The posts that got the "defensive" reactions were the ones that were basically saying "you dont know your own experiences, but i do, and its all because you wont listen to my empowering advice that you are being so negative." This kind of attitude towards those suffering neg problems does not help. If you want to help then change your attitude and be more loving and empathic rather than deriding the experiences of others because you believe you know better than those actually experiencing them.

And i see nowhere where anyone has commented on my comments of the latest article posted in this thread where i felt i made valid points of why the author does not know what she is talking about.

And I dont know DK that well yet but i support her (not necessarily all her views) because there seems to be so much antagonism towards her from various people. She is obviously hurting and you're all like a pack of wolves around a wounded animal (sorry DK didnt mean to compare you to an animal but hope you get my drift [] ).

quote:
 I have, and I am thinking of starting a new topic about ego and negativity.

Great, do just that, but remember that it has nothing to do with Psychic Self-Defense so hopefully you will post it in the proper Forum.

And as for your analogy, what if the Volcano erupts, do you have control over that?

quote:Originally posted by rhinegirl

hmmm...typical passive aggressive behavior.

Typical of what? just curious.

I am only replying here because this is where you posted (and you may be right i have posted in the wrong thread- but i thought this one the one for questions). If you would like to start a thread called....say, "Testing McArthurs Authenticity" i will be more than happy to answer any questions. []

quote:Originally posted by McArthur

Robert Monroe also describes these lower areas in Far Journeys where he saw various beings, humans or otherwise, attaching themselves to living humans trying to live through them vicariously and/or affecting peoples lives.

I just wanted to make a correction here i remembered last night. It wasn't the "lower areas" as in Lower Astral he was describing in his book. It is while he is walking (or floating, whtaever) the Earth as a ghost where he sees "ghosts" clinging to peoples backs/shoulders on the Physical Plane etc without them knowing. So what he was describing is what Robert Bruce calls the Real-Time Zone.

[Can we please get back to posting on the subjects of the topics and stop these petty squabbles. If not, this PSD forum, valuable or not, will be shut down just like the energy sub forum was shut down because of ongoing arguments among DBZ followers. Arguments like these are damaging the entire AstralPulse forum and there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR IT!]

quote:Originally posted by James S
Can we please get back to posting on the subjects of the topics and stop these petty squabbles. If not, this PSD forum, valuable or not, will be shut down just like the energy sub forum was shut down because of ongoing arguments among DBZ followers. Arguments like these are damaging the entire AstralPulse forum and there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR IT!

If that is the case then perhaps those of us who are not afraid to talk about negs and Psychic Self Defense could possibly start a forum elsewhere and ask Robert Bruce to link to that forum instead of here for that particular subject. People are reading his book and coming here because of it but there seems to be a certain agenda amongst some here, including Moderators, to disparage even Roberts own work at times.

It seems to me the "Love and Light" brigade would love this Forum to be gone because through their own fear of the subject it seems somehow negative to them. Well i certainly dont feel like staying if im going to have my posts deleted by power-tripping Mods because they are personally upset at the way i criticize the articles they post.

If anyone reading this would like to help set up a Forum elsewhere specifically for Psychic Self Defense and the subject of negs please PM me and i will email Robert to see if he will link to it.

[me]

quote:Originally posted by Nay

McArthur, Dk, SpectralDragon, and yes...Kiauma.  Please take your bickering somewhere else. []

McArthur and DK, Post your opinion, then be done with it.. Do not continue to dissect every post you happen upon, (oh geez, I can see you using this as a quote now []) Or I will become delete happy..[]  This is not the kind of forum we had in mind.  We believe in freedom of speech, but once that speech is done, that is it.

If someone replies to my post i will reply back. Are you suggesting we should all just make one post per thread? Ridiculous. Methinks you dont like the fact that i have criticized the articles you have posted and are now threatening to delete them.

quote:
If the topic continues to upset you after your first rant, then just do not continue to partake in that paticular thread. Thanks [^]

I cant believe im actually reading this! So you are going to start deleting my posts because i am offering a different opinion built up from my experience in this area? Discussion Forums are for Discussions. And if you post articles on here that i think are misleading then i will damn sure post why i think it *is* misleading and/or incorrect. If you dont like it then tough, delete my posts or ban me or something but ive been coming here for a long time and on the boards before these at www.astralresaerch.com and this is the only time i have *ever* been threatened with censureship.

Did you not even notice in my last post that it was me who was asking for us to stay on topic rather that posting one-liners with no content?

What the hell has happened to these boards while i was away???

Hi findtruth,
            i think its important to remember that getting these images doesn't necessarily mean it is negs. I get some of this at times too but it seems fairly harmless in my experience and are easily banished. A couple of things you might like to try is to take control of your vision in various ways. Here are a couple of things i use;

You know how the chalk from a blackboard can be erased using a cloth or those wiper things they use? Well imagine one of those in your minds eye and wipe it across the images you are seeing and erase them leaving a blank slate.

Or perhaps like a car windowscreen wiper etc. Do you get the idea?
I also find that if i move my eyes left to right then back they tend to disappear.

Another method you can try is mentally drawing a Pentagram over the image you are seeing and this should also help. It might help if you were to learn a bit about what is called the "Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram" which is used to clear you inner space of unwanted psychic debris etc. A version of it can be found in this article http://www.digital-brilliance.com/kab/tobias010.htm

From what you have said so far i wouldn't worry about it too much as its a fairly common occurence. Also see this; http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/h/hypnagogic_state.html

It sounds like you just might be getting close to projecting. []

[Must]

quote:Originally posted by kiauma

What I meant was that your post was completely superflous, adding nothing, but merely repositing what 'we' had already posted as being your own.

And your one-line comment on my post was adding what, exactly? Apart from being antagonistic i mean?


So my mentioning Robert Monroe or Carlos Castaneda or "Hungry Ghosts" etc was not adding anything? And i never claimed anything as being my "own" apart from when i talk of my own experiences. Why not actually keep to the subject rather than criticizing my posting style?

quote:
It isnt about seeing the glass half full or half empty. It is to do with the fact that unfortunately some of us have experienced what it is like to suffer psychic attacks by negs.

Did you read Frank's post which James had put there for everyone to see?  If you did, I suggest you reread it carefully, you seem to have missed the entire point.  You apparently missed Frank's explanation of how he was trapped in the lower astral realms for 5 years,

That is one mans explanation of his own experience. Yes i read it and agree with parts of it. But what you dont seem to understand is that you dont have to be Astral Projecting to be psychically attacked. Which, unless i am mistaken, was the point Dk was making in her post.

quote:
mistaking it for the whole of the astral experience, which apparently you still do as well, given your point of being robbed as some sort of equivalent example.

You dont have to Astral project to be robbed of your energy. Negs sneak into the Real-time zone to do that.

quote:
 Or, perhaps you could explain how you have far more experience than Frank, or the others whom even you agree corroborate Frank's explanation, and why you actually disagree with him.

How do you know what experience i have? You havent asked, but you certainly seem to be assuming things about me you obviously do not know. And where did i say i disagree with him? I didn't. I was making a comment on his post and adding other things related to it but then you come in with your clever one liner comment that added nothing but the start of an argument. And yes as it so happens i do have a lot of experience as far as negs and psychic attacks go (this is, after all, the Psychic Self Defense forum not the Astral Projection forum). Do you?

quote:
Must you go there again McA?  Tell you what I'll do, just for you.  I'll be the bigger person here, and take away my big bad POV, letting you have your way.

Its not about having "my way" its about expressing my own pov and making comments on this topic from my own personal experiences. If you want to act as though you are the one being all "big" by walking away from the thread thats fine, because to be honest your smug attitude is not really offering anything positive to the subject and/or those experiencing attacks.

I asked this question in a different thread but will repeat it here because this seems to be the proper thread for questions. www.zetatalk.com claimed that the poleshift was to happen last year sometime around May/June and were telling people to prepare for a cataclysm etc. Can you please explain how you got this wrong considering all the supposed planning that had gone into this? Do you now have a different date for when the poleshift will happen and when is it?

I have heard the excuse that the date will not be given to stop the Governments from misusing this information but if you are here to help humans survive such an event as this then surely you will give as much advance warning as possible wouldnt you?


p.s. A white lie is still a lie.

quote:Originally posted by kiauma
 It would appear that there are those with a bias to see the glass half full - and do - and those with a bias to see the glass half empty - and do.

It isnt about seeing the glass half full or half empty. It is to do with the fact that unfortunately some of us have experienced what it is like to suffer psychic attacks by negs. And there seems to be a few heartless "love and light brigade" types on here that, because they have not experienced these things and therefore do not fully understand (and also probably through fear of the actual "negative" subject) tend to ridicule those that are suffering.

Like i said elsewhere you are not helping youre just being petty and perhaps causing more pain to those who are genuinely suffering.

When you are being robbed by a guy with a gun to your head you're not being "biased" or seeing the glass "half empty", youre being robbed.

quote:Originally posted by kiauma

As regards to the post by Frank...

We quite agree with you McA...  []

Would you mind explaining what you mean and who the "We" are?

quote:Originally posted by Nidhananda

The meaning of the word "trying" could be taken as several ways.

Well, of course, you can do what you like [] but the whole conversation up to that point was about channeling and being "ready" to do channeling. I quote the part before the already quoted part;

quote:
Mach One says:
Has your guide told you anything about me?
MAYA - back now says:
No, except that you are receptive and that I can help you by talking about things that will aid you towards being 'ready'.
Mach One says:
Ok.
Mach One says:
What things do I need to do or keep in mind to progress toward readiness?
MAYA - back now says:
The first thing - most important - is to not try too hard..... and you really do try very hard. It is actually much easier than you think.

Maya is saying that Channeling "is much easier than you think", as in fact you are now saying yourself. Like i say you are entitled to do what is your will but i will still comment on these things for others who may be reading it and may see what i am trying to point out as innacuracies.