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why would the govt monitor US though?

We mystic new age hippies tend to not be very violent, despite our general hatred of the government.

Everyone hates the government on the internet though, so why monitor these particular forums?

If they are, it means there is something really substantial about being able to OBE and/or remote read.

Or maybe they want to see what kinds of crazy predictions we make and make sure we don't uncover some nefarious government plot.

At any rate, you aren't safe from being monitored without warrant anywhere, via the Patriot Act.

I'm trying to refrain from profanity here so...

It makes me sick that they can destroy the constitution under the guise of protecting us, and that the average american is too damn stupid to realize it.

I'd applaud them for successfully manipulating the masses but... they (the masses) are so stupid in general that just about anyone could do so.

at any rate just be careful in what you say, I think it's okay to constantly bash the government, buf refrain from speaking of wishing for the government to collapse or bombs or terror or things like that.

Basically, don't excercise freedom of speech.

And don't vote Bush.... and if your state has electronic voting machines, don't vote at all, and make sure to get as many people to not vote as possible... or write your senators and tell them to remove those things.

I want a regime change..... :/ a peaceful one though.

well it didn't bother me at all, and I feel fine, so why shouldn't I AP any more?

I get this same fellow (and he usually looks/feels different at various times) in regular dreams, mainly sleep paralysis or dreams abou me sleeping...

and I can't help that.. almost every night I have SP, and maybe 2-3 times a week, to 2-3 times a night, there will be something there.... raping me more or less....

I've started really cutting down on tolerance and fear when this happens though and have smacked various things down a few times, and it's been tapering off ever since, but.... it's hard to fight when paralyzed.

So for those of you that believe in them, what has been done to me? If attachments were made (and if so, I probably still have quite a few) then why do I feel fine... and if energy was leeched from me, why did I feel okay immediately after it happening?

The guy wasn't short, he was middle sized.... he had a family of sorts, becuase I was looking at family pictures.... I kept... getting this information about them, somehow, but I don't remember any of it, and most of it seemed to be gibberish.

I'd venture to say if I'm dealing with anything "real" it's an incubus/succubis and not really after my energy given how most of the times its presence is sexual and not really threatening or scary feeling.....?

Well... I'm not going to refrain from OBEing as this stuff happens during normal sleep as well, and at least if I'm out of body I can defend myself...

But... I'd like to mention a few other things here:

A few days ago I finally received a "guide" though he didn't really show me anything significant or do much for me, nothing he said to me made any sense (which is why I think these things aren't real) and I could manipulate his responses by thinking them beforehand in my head...

One night I asked him if he was really my guide and he said "no, I'm kind of a sort of double agent." ..................... ? I haven't been able to contact him since, though I haven't tried much.

Okay, then I also had this really weird experience that I made a thread about in communications which I'll link you to

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9504

But I mean, assuming these things ARE real, why can't I commune with them? They spout out random gibberish and at times I will find myself simultaneously thinking their answers while they are giving them, and then I can control their answers in whatever way I please....you know it's like I'm hearing my subconscious create their answers and transfer them into their voices.

Now this doesn't always happen, probably because I'm focused on external things rather than what my mind is doing, but it happens a lot.

And no I've never been able to see anything with my third eye, no auric vision even while OBE (aside from what just happened to me today for a short while)

If I try and do energy awareness and channel it out of my body (while dreaming) I can create visible portals and balls of fire, etc.... but that may just be my imagination kicking in.

My parents would probably have me locked up or at least give me really strange lectures and start monitoring me even more if I started burning incense, buying those types of books, and writing things on my  body.

also if i burned incense they'd think i was doing drugs and trying to mask up their odors.

exiting = easy

you just... do it.. you know, if you're paralyzed, just lift that arm up out of there, try to roll out, whatever.. you should be able to at least get a hand out without doing any energy work at all.. if you have vibrations you can just focus on them, stay quiet, and let them take you wherever it is they want to take you (this is really WEIRD and/or cool sometimes, like I was dragged out of my body out the window and to a locale I visualized before the vibrations started, but it took like 10 minutes to get there...)

but...

trance = impossible



"I've watched myself fall asleep and by some miracle my mother happened to wake me up right as I was loosing consciousness, and I discovered what was happening. It's like all of a sudden things just go blank where I'm not aware and I feel so tired. I don't know if it was a stray thought, but my mind was in a blank state and it still felt as if it were just going fuzzy and eventually loosing all coherence of thought and awareness. The only thing I can think of to counteract this problem is to vigourously focus the mind on one process such as breathing (as Robert Monroe explained in Astral Dynamics).. but whenever I try that I just stay awake unnecessarily. Not "passive' enough perhaps?"

You sound just like me....
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9482

I get that fuzzy feeling where I can't think at all and I lose control of my thoughts, and the images come but I never see them, or at least, don't remember them as soon as I snap out of them, and I CANNOT control them or even look at them at all while maintaining consciousness, or they go bye bye... (unless it's in the early morning sometimes)

"READ THE BIBLE and LEARN more before you post this, if your beliefs stem from the Bible that is.

Isaiah 14:13
"For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: . . . "

SATAN / LUCIFER / BEEZLEBUB wanted to OVERTHROW God, but failed."

What does the Bible have to do with anything? Who wrote the Bible? Men... who edited and trasnlated the Bible for thousands of years... men IN POWER... what do men in power like to do to people?

It was suggested that the church of the middle ages invented hell in order to better control people via fear, and that there was never any mention of it in biblical text prior to those ages.... go look it up if you wish.

It's just as likely that lucifer was a good guy and God is some jerk (ala the old testament smiteful god) and he is a jerk if he sends you to hell for believing him in your own way rather than trusting potentially corrupted churches that seem to love MONEY.... but it's just as likely that lucifer was trying to fix things and God was out of line that it is that the Bible is accurate.

It's just a text, and this guy clearly doesn't seem to be following the mainstream christian religion, but rather, thinking and researching on his own, so I applaud him for it.... even though he doesn't seem to be making much sense to me.

But yeah, the Bible is an invalid counterargument, it's just a bunch of words and no one has any idea of their origin.

Hell, if I do recall the serpent more or less told Adam and Eve the TRUTH back in the day, and God kind of lied to them (told them they would die if they ate it) you can argue he meant die eternally, but HE'S GOD, he could make himself ultimately clear so they totally understand him, yet he made things intentionally vague... the serprent straight up told them what would happen if I recall the story correctly, no BS involved...

I think...

all I'm saying is that it's just as likely that lucifer is good as it is that he is bad, and that no one knows whether the bible is true or not...

and most of you that do believe everything it says probably only do so becuase it was how you were raised.

So yes, BIBLICALLY he is wrong, but that doesn't mean much.

i've never stepped into the "RTZ" to have it identical to my physical room, stuff is always missing, sometimes doors are in the wrong places, etc...

i did the card test and was (sort of) right though... so it might just be becuase I'm doing it at night and it's like a mixture of dream and... room...

i have been to the rainbow land bruce talks about twice, both within 2 weeks of each other when i first started lucid dreaming, both on accident.....

it was absolutely incredible, to put it lightly.

i've never been back since though :/

1. waking up a lot at night.
2. having the desire to project when you wake up one of those random times
3. being alert enough to act upon that desire, and having a general idea  of how to keep your mind awake as your body goes back to sleep (can be learned naturally though)

of course, the wake up then go half asleep and project method is the only one I can do right now... so... those are my top 3 I suppose.

It's also by far the easiest method I'd say.

hmm...

lately I have been able to achieve high speed/high altitude flight, but when doing so I have NO control over myself and where I'm going....

am I getting better at flying or is it just random limitations depending on the type of dream I'm in? Becuase last night I couldn't for the life of me fly fast.. but the first time the real fast flying happened I was actually trying to slow myself down and couldn't really do so.

it kind of had something to do with arm position though... when I drew my arms in to my sides I went faster but lost control, but if I put one partway outward I could direct myself better....

(kind of true to real physics I guess)

i honestly can't say

if it was the same place, surely we could both visually interpret it much differently given the influences of our subconscious minds and the fact that we'd be simply perceiving energy, right?

it did seem a bit retro in a way... but.... I didn't see a map and there were more than 2 floors, at least, according to the elevator.

From time to time I keep stubling across these majorly impressive and futuristic cities though, beautiful looking usually, and very clean... I think we flew through/by one when my "guide" was taking me there.

I talked to him the other night and asked him if he was really my guide and he said "no, i'm actually a sort of double agent" so I don't know what the heck is going on with him... probably isn't real to begin with given how I hear myself thinking his answers while he is answering them (sometimes) and can manipulate his answers (sometimes).

But he could be telepathically screwing with me to make me think he isn't real...

Unlikely though... I guess.. ?

Well at any rate it had a two word name to it, and both started with the same letter, if I recall correctly... the second word was some type of typical descriptive noun .... lounge.. lodge... something like that.

it can be quite harmful to the mind for someone inexperienced with psychadelics to smoke DMT... it's quite a bit stronger than LSD I've heard... so..

yeah... don't use it unless you know what you're doing and have had experiences with other things first

or if you don't care if it might make you go totally crazy for a while, or for a lifetime....

and do it in a happy mood with no bad thoughts having surfaced in a long time.

and you can get 5meo dmt online, i think it's legal for "research purposes" don't ask me where becuase i can't look up drugs very safely from here, even if they are legal i'm not allowed to do them.

[everyone]

"The worlds ethics are terrible, we have people ODing off narcotics, men raping little girls, innocent being killed, genocide, suicide, barely anyone can be trusted now days, everyone paranoid no one can ever feel safe. "

How is this any different than the way things have always been since the beginning of time?

Everyone... and I do mean everyone (at least, humans as we know ourselves) has had a "doomsday" to fear.... 2000... 2001.... 1996..... 2012.... May 15 2003

Do you know how many doomsdays there "should have been"?

that's all I have to say about that really... the rest of what you said makes no sense to me and I don't see too much of a reason to believe it over any other set of prophecies and/or beliefs out there.

quote:Originally posted by mattrox

actually bilocation is changing your astral bodies vibrational level to the physical.

How would you go about changing your astral bodies vibrational level to the physical?

[DREAM]

I went to this place that seemed kind of real yesterday...

I was lucid and such, and well.. I was trying to get it on, being the lonely person I am... well... I was at school and this sort of "ex" was there... so ... well yeah I went for it.. but she resisted... and I woke up immediately after..

I went back into the dream and she was all mad at me but she kept saying "I'm sorry" and I'm like "sorry for what" and she wasn't making much sense... but she was lecturing me about how she should have expected that kind of behavior from me and I'm like "SO WHAT... IT'S A DREAM" and she's like "I know..."

So this got me thinking... I called for my "guide" which just recently showed up a few days ago and hasn't really done anything that has convinced me he's a real guide, but I called upon him anyway... I asked him if it was wrong what I tried to do to her, and he said no and gave some weird explanation...

Then I asked him again if it was wrong, while thinking YES in my head, and he replied YES... so ... well... I've been doing that to him a lot, he seems to be just a facet of my subconscious since he's so easily controllable...

at any rate I had him take me to some supposed real place where a bunch of horny people like me go to hook up while in the astral... we flew for like 5 minutes over all sorts of landscapes and I ended up at this club type place... man what was it called....

something Lounge....  I can't remember... I'll have to ask him to take me there again... well at any rate we go inside and everything looks kind of normal, there are a lot of people there... we go into an elevator and stop it on the bottom floor and turn this combination dial and it opens up into this dark mostly grey room with kind of futuristic looking furniture... and I meet two nice looking ladies...

That was about all of my activity that night as I kept waking up a lot and wasn't lucid for very long, but that place seemed to have some sort of realistic quality about it.. and so did the girl at the beginning.

I don't know.

My guide is very strange if he is in fact real.

first of all what in the world are you doing taking drugs (any drugs) every single day just because you like their effect on you?

Those things change your brain chemistry for the worse if you plan on experiencing AP/OBE etc... they are designed to combat hallucinations and things like that.. I mean.. really, drugs are fine once and a while (though I'd stay way away from anything but naturally occurring psychadelics and perhaps LSD) if you need a sort of stepping stone to see what an alternate reality is like so that you can try to get there on your own, but becoming dependant upon mind altering medications that are designed to make you "normal" (ala antipsychotics and antidepressants and anti-anythings) is a horrible move to make.

Doctors hand them out like candy (and are often times paid to) without even beginning to determine whether there is indeed something wrong with your brain... Sad? Here, take one of these! Now you're stuck on a pill the rest of your life whose side effects may very well be worse than whatever was wrong with you in the first place and if you DON'T have a chemical imbalance they aren't really going to work very well and he'll just keep upping your dosage.. and even if you do have one pills aren't going to cure your depression, in the end it's up to you to make a choice to heal and move on.

So I mean, the same applies for anti-psychotics, unless you're having hallucinations during the day that signficiantly bother you, I wouldn't be taking them. You don't know what adverse effects using them every day for no good reason other than to be able to focus is going to have on you.

It'll probably only further dull your mind so that you don't even know what having a normal mind is like anymore and that if you quit them you'll be horribly more unfocused than you ever were to begin with.

I mean... drugs aren't good, especialy kinds specifically designed to alter the way your brain is functioning, don't take them unless there is a huge necessity to, and be very wary of any doctor that wants to hand you something... especially since they will probably be almost impossible to quit (especially anti depressants... which can probably kill you if you are taking high doses then suddenly stop)

I actually did quit anti-depressants a year ago.... it was hell.

sigh.. okay....

"My goal is to prove that the mind can survive separated from the body, so that I will know that I won't cease to exist upon physical death. I plan to float out of my body, float downstairs, see what people are doing on the first floor of the house, then wake up and walk downstairs to confirm that what I saw was real."

Do the card test first... even if you step out into your room it's not going to be YOUR room in the physical 100% acccurate sense, and you probably won't see what is going on around your physical body in real time, I have NEVER ever done so, despite leaving my body directly into my "room" many times... so since you haven't even entered your room yet, I doubt you'd succeede in manifesting into the physical either.

Take a deck of cards, shuffle and shuffle and shuffle and shuffle.. shut off your mind, draw one (without trying to guess what it is) tape it to your window (all the while never looking at it, and so that the face of the card is visible to people outside of the window, all you see is the back) then try not to think about it or speculate about what it is.

When OBE.. or lucid, doesn't matter, make a conscious affirmation to find out what the card is and go look for it... first time I tried... i saw it was the jack of diamonds, but I couldn't see the letters, just the guy and the diamond shape.. so I got closer and closer and then it looked like a woman, which caused some doubt, and then as I closely examined it I saw a Q on it.

Well in real life it was the jack of diamonds.. my self doubt probably caused me to project what i think possible alternatives would have been onto it, thus changing it.

I did it again and don't remember the results but it was kind of close, but not all the way there like before... I'm gonna try it again tonight having been about a week since doing it.

Doing this I think, if you suceede, will perhaps make your OBEs more realistic in nature as you are tuning into something other than your own mind to see what the real card is, even if it looks strangely or is on the wrong window, if you can find the right one that is probably going to help your chances of getting into a detailed and accurate real time projection, perhaps.. I don't know.

Also in the blackness, it sounds like you're not stepping outward, but inward... as in into the blackness of you eyelids.. I do that a lot when trying to get back into a dream I woke up out of, and it works pretty well... but you really shouldn't be looking at anything (including eyelids or inner eye visions) if you want to exit your body into your room, IMO.

Try and stay in paralysis a while and wait for vibrations, too.. and keep yourself very aware of the physical body and think about where it's lying (i.e, in your room) as you are preparing to leave it.

I think part of the reason people think of it so weirdly is simply misconception of what exactly an OBE is.

It sounds, to the common guy, like some sort of occult ritual or superstitious nonsense.

Yet, if you asked him about dreaming, unless he "doesn't dream" I'm sure he'd at least have a bit of a conversation with you. If you then steered it toward lucid dreaming, I'm sure maybe he'd have one or two experiences with that. Then maybe you might mention a time when you woke up paralyzed for some reason (using those words, don't say "sleep paralysis" as it makes you sound nerdly) and he might be like "oh yeah, that happened to me once" and you might go as far to describe vibrations and he'd still have your interest... he may have even had a time when he felt kind of like he was floating.

Yet, if you flat up asked him about out of body experiences, he'd probably look at you as crazy... becuase people don't realize just exactly what OBE's are, and how COMMON they are during sleep. (neglecting the fact that we are more or less "out of body" while dreaming) They just kind of associate it with you doing some sort of ritual and all of a sudden stepping out of your body... which is weird, and to a degree even WRONG in this society..

So it's all in how you go about talking about OBEs, if you mention them by name, or especially by "Astral Projection" (sounds much more new age nutty and less scientific and credible) you're going to get weird looks.

If you casually talk about dreaming and steer the topic into OBEs in a smooth manner... I'd venture to say you might get a lot more interest and response, even from the "if you aren't in your body it gives the devil a chance to enter it" people.


So what I'm saying is bascially there is a huge conception about what an OBE is, and most people think that either they aren't real, or you have to be associated with magick or the occult or devil worship or whatever stereotype to be able to perform it.

They fail to realize just how easy they are to voluntarily induce at night, and how everyone has them every night (ala dreaming) and they are one and the same, just different means to attain them, and more can be done with voluntary OBEs because.. well.. they are VOLUNTARY... hence you can do them whenever and wherever and maintain focus better.

If this makes any sense?

OBEs = stigmatized as mystic nonsense that is unfounded scietnifically

dreams = OBE's (sort of) yet everyone, including men, likes to talk about them sometimes.

just be crafty in the way you try talk about them

and I've only known one guy that was interested in them, and zero women, myself.

are you supposed to visualize it like you're actually doing it from first person?

i find it the hardest thing in the world, if not impossible, to visualize things from the first person.... and I know a lot of people that agree.. it's like, if I look back on a memory, I usually see myself from third person unless it's like a random photo flashback beyond my control....

If I fantasize.. I usually don't even place myself there at all, and if I do I imagine it from third person....

if I try and visualize the rope I tend to only see my hands, but from a strange angle that doesn't seem quite first person....

If I stare at myself typing then close my eyes and try to relive it it usually jumps to third person...

if I try to imagine myself walking around a room it jumps to third person.

Is this acceptable visualization? It doesn't do very well at detaching you from the body because you don't fully feel like you're there walking around if you're not doing it from first person....

(i know you don't need to visualize rope but it works best (though it's never WORKED for me) if I visualize while doing it)

In fact it only works for me if I'm already in a trance and just need to get out or into a dream, but it works better if I create an object in the locale I want to go to and grab it with my "hands" and keep tugging on it till I get there.

[NO]

"If that doesn't work for you try soaking in the bathtub and astral projecting while soaking in water."

NO

not unless you want to risk drowning.... if you project, your body has gone to sleep, if your body has gone to sleep it may very well relax and loosen enough to well... make you end up submerging your head in the water.

i wouldn't risk that... all it takes is one second under there combined with involuntary and automatic breathing and you're dead.

my lights were flashing while I wrote that.... weird.

personally i don't think it's a good idea to try to project in water.

quote:Originally posted by beavis

Mind split does exist. It usually happens to me around the transition time from body to out of body (even if I dont get fully out, which is most of the time). I was aware of my body and other places at the same time.

But the way RB describes "mind split" is that you literally  have two different minds, and y ou might get stuck in the physical one while the astral wanders off doing things...

I know you can be aware of the physical and the dream/astral at the same time, but I hardly call that mind split, you are just you... you are still thinking and perceiving, you are just somewhat tuned into your physical environment while you're off doing things, or you are in the process of waking up.

I don't believe it has the slightest bit to do with your mind copying itself, etc... it's YOUR mind, it always is, your point of consciousness just changes, so to speak...

Do you see what I'm saying? Yes you are simultaneously in your bed sleeping but that doesn't mean that while that is going on, there is another COPY of "conscious you" sitting in bed, paralyzed, going "man, why didn't I project?"

That just seems kind of nonsensical to me, IMO. Different parts of the mind are turning on/off and your body's physical senses may or may not be filtering into your dream environment, depending on if you try to focus in on it or not.

yes it's still there, and there is a part of you (ala unconscious) in control of it and it's functions and it is, sort of "hearing" things, but it isn't like a whole different YOU residing in your body while you are out of it....

at least, I don't think so.

i've had this recurring dream (about three or more times that I can remember) about being at school, and finding this really cool game room...

the first time, it was a literal bowling alley, but you had to pay tokens like an arcade game to bowl, and there were never any openings in line to play

the second time it was like... arcade game bowling but it feels like you really are bowling despite really small pins and bowling balls, etc.... and when I'd find an open game I'd put my money in then realize I'm not in front of a bowling game, but something else.

the third time (last night) much the same happened, only the game room was very dark and confined... tons of people in it.. it was a good environment but very werid looking.

i wonder what in the world this means... maybe I want to go bowling?

WOW... just thinking about arcade games brought back this memory of like a 2 year old dream... something about being in a Discovery Zone like environment and playing games... and there was an upstairs arcade in a really strange looking room... something about aliens seems familiar... I don't know.

well what does energy look like and how do I know that my mind isn't just making energy up based on what it thinks it looks like?

quote:Originally posted by The AlphaOmega

For reasons beyond me many people are absolutely insistent on lieing down during practice.  The body is so accustomed to sleeping while lieing down because it has been that way EVER SINCE IT BEGAN SLEEPING!  If you want to meditate and stay aware and concious, sit up.  Stop lieing down! Once that happens the habit of the body is to associate it with "time to go to sleep".  I think ANYONE would be suprised at how much they can accomplish if they practice their regular techniques while sitting instead of lieing down.  If you lie on your back to practice, 99 times out of 100 you will fall asleep and regret it in the morning.  Sitting is the natural state for thought awareness... lieing down is the natural state for thoughts to drift.

well...

First, I don't have a chair I could properly meditate in... without going downstairs, where my dogs are.... and they don't like me just sitting there idly while not petting them... and it's right by the backyard, which they bark loudly in.

If I lock them out, they are just going to bark that much more.

Second... I at first did it sitting in my computer chair (though if I were to trance I'd probably fall out or my head would fall forward and end it becuase i have no head/neck support) but I still got really tired and kept half falling asleep, so much that I tried to take a nap, but mostly failed.

Since then I haven't been getting tired like that.. I mean when I give up on it and get up and do stuff I'm real groggy and uncoordinated but it goes away in about 10 minutes.

So... bed.. chair... same result... I start falling asleep (via the hypnagogic state) and jolt back into consciousness, but cannot stay in that state for the life of me.

and I'm so far convinced that the only way to enter a conscious trance would be to either stay in the hypnagogic state while aware (i've never done this totally voluntarily before, sometimes at night i'll black out then come to and be sort of remote viewing), or stay in it long enough so that when I am abruptly removed from it, my body has already gone to sleep.

"Hang out in the trance state."

If I could hang out in the trance state I wouldn't be having any problems...

:/

I can't stay in it.. it's like.. when I hit the hypnagogic state I'm tranced, but I'm not conscious... when I come out of it I'm not tranced....

If I come out of it during the morning though, I can tend to hit a "trance" state so to speak, but I always either enter a dream or project or wake myself up.

It usually isn't that pleasant of a state for me to be in, completely paralyzed, unaware of my surroundings... probably because I'm used to all sorts of horrible sleep paralysis episodes.
(see my new thread in "communications" if you want to know a bit more about that)

So no.. I'm not hitting the trance state for more than a few seconds at a time, and I'm not "conscious" while in it.

I can hit a state where I feel somewhat weird and dissociated but I can move my body just fine and awareness of it never goes away.

i feel so close....

i tried again for an hour and i hit a few hypnagogic sessions.. i started hearing king of the hill voices talking to each other, and i focused in on that and stuff... and i got the falling sensation, and i stayed in it for a while, but eventually it broke away, and i'm not sure why becuase i wasn't doing anything differently or focusing too hard...

but at any rate my arms got so extremely heavy that they felt completely paralyzed, yet if i tried to move them, they moved, effortlessly..

i rolled over a bit and got comfortable and tried to reconnect to the voices (hard to do, there's a difference between me making them talk,a nd them talking on their own, and i need them to talk on their own to get into that state) and about 5 seconds later my arms were really heavy again...

but i just can't get all the way there...

does caffeiene affect your ability to project? becuase i just had some recently.

Sleep apnea PREVENTS REM sleep?

I figured it was the other way around.. especially since you projected so much and the prime time for that to occur is probably during REM.

But... I've been meaning to go to a sleep center for some time now, I figure there is something wrong with me given my low energy levels and how much I wake up.

And that I can't stay asleep for >3 hours at a time usually.

Hmm... I have only ever noticed not breathing when I sleep on my back though, which I don't do anymore.

i don't really agree with the concept of a mind split myself, i haven't found any reason to believe in one yet...

so...

Don't take everything he says as absolute truth, it's easy to "fall asleep" and then "wake up" into paralysis immediately afterward, I did it 3 times last night....

I would have projected but I was delaing with a "neg" that wouldn't leave me alone. I talked to it eventually and it said some really strange things.

"For the most part, I get pretty crazy feelings of swinging back and forth.. like i'm floating kind of, and then I sway back and forth. This is a great feeling.. kind of like i'm on a ride! But I don't go much past this.. maybe I need to let this happen more and more.."

I get that a lot, but usually when I first lie down and am not even close to falling asleep, or paralysis.

When you're paralyzed try imagining a friend and then keep asking them to pull you out.

Whenever a dream I'm in abruptly ends I try my hardest not to move and just remember the very last part of the dream and call to the person who was nearest to me to pull me out of my body...

It almost always works, and is a lot easier than reconstructing the dream scene and trying to enter it on your own..

So, that may or may not work for you if you can get a version of someone to manifest in that blackness and help you out (note, you don't have to see them at all)