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And by the way, just incase in gets on people nerves.

The way I respond to posts is usually like this:

Your Paragraph/Sentence

My Paragraph/Sentence

I've been told that this annoys people but the only reason I do it is because it's easier for me to read and respond without having to scroll the screen down. If this doesn't bother you, it hasn't annoyed you....yet.

I agree that not all thoughts should be centered on the present. It leaves room for inconsistency and carelessness to make it's way into 'the plan', whatever that may be. I just don't want to dwell to long on it.

It kinda makes me wonder about your past history and the future incarnations you have yet to endure.


I've spent my time trying to find out who I am right now, and someday I may need to find out(after sometime researching reincarnation that is), what past lives I may of had. I've always thought though that no matter how mundane life may be at the moment, when it's all said and done, it would make a great movie. Oh well, we will see.

I dont believe we have anything to learn, though. I believe souls live here to have fun.

If your having fun, then your life is well lived. Most people have the perception that we wait till we die to have fun(if we've been good that is), which is sort of depressing.

Im a Catholic and I have a ouiji board and two packs of tarot cards. I never use them though because i'd rather not have to deal with any unexpected phenomona. I prefer to think of the religious teachings as warnings to people not to dabble in the occult, in case something happens. After reading PPSD, this makes sense.

Not to say that if your reponsible, you shouldn't try, but once again only if your responsible which many people unfournatly are not.

["This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away, to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was! What he was doing!"]

As for the game. You did not wish to address my questions because they were too much a what if. You wish to stay in the present and deal with the present, it seems. Does this exclude your desire to look ahead to future potential implications? If so I can understand now why you are pleased with how this war has gone. I merely wish to understand your mind set and why you are so for this war.


In essence yes. I've spent the better part of my life dreaming of times and events down the future, only to find myself back where I started. Im tired of looking at a tomorrow that may not happen. And, im not salivating over my keyboard at the thought of people going to war. If I was, I would want the U.S army to roll through to baghdad in one day, or perhaps nuke the city and call it a day.

Sharon was the one who stated on TV that he would not let America bully him into an agreement that favours Palestine, just so America could save face in the Arab world. So this was a perception that came out of the mouth of Mr. Sharon. Mind you the interperter might have done a poor job. That I can not say since I do not speak Hebrew.

Actually your right, he did say that. But keep in perspective the situation in which it was said. Daily suicide bombings while the world cried foul at Israeli retaliation. But thats another matter.

I guess I did not explain myself well enough with the perception thing. What I was getting at is that very few of us knows what really happens in this world. Can you hand me the fish food bag? Did you hear Saddams son give the order? Did you make sure no one paid the man to say this? You believe because this is part of your perception of what is real and makes sense. You call what MJ-12 presents propaganda and conspiracy theory. This arguement works well for you. Why should it not work for me or others? Or do you believe the American media never lies? Like I said very few of us will ever now what really happens in this world. Even if we see for ourselves something first hand and know it is real, few of us will walk away understanding why it really happened. We are mostly left with our perceptions of what really happens in this world. Truth is above perception and should never be confused with what we percieve to be real.


The media lies period, when it suits them. I've studied the media and how it influences society in a couple of university courses and the things that are done would make you question the point of the news media.

We are different people, my beliefs are built in logic and facts(not saying your not, just that I depend on them to a fault). I would make a staunch atheist. That being said, a site which proclaims UFO's on mars and zionist disneyland does not appeal to those beliefs while CNN (for the most part) does. But that is who I am.  

Because of this all we can really do is attempt to gain as much perspective as possible in life and seek to understand as many people as we can.

100% agree.

If you perceived that I was attacking you I am sorry. All I ever hope to accomplish in these situations is to get someone to think or more importantly gain their perspective. If asking questions in the hope of making someone think or more importantly in the hope to understand their perception of this world, is perceived to be an attack I will have to rethink how I deal with people. Again I am sorry.


Your questions were fine, your comments about me being born in a lie was what bothered me[]

P.S. You in no way offended me at all. I am merely too curious for my own good sometimes. Plus, I was seriously interested in your answers to my questions because I really would perfer that my perspective be wrong. I would perfer that this be much, much simpler. It is the numerous implications down the road that most of us apposed to war are concerned about though. I wanted to see what your view on some of these 'implications' was.

I prefer that your perspective is right, as I believe it would be less painful. I would love to be wrong, I pray that I am, but im just not seeing it. I do understand your point of view though, it's just that im tired of looking ahead to something which may never happen all the time.

"This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away, to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was! What he was doing!"

A great man said that, anyone know who? []

Also...

Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future.


Last, I apologize MJ-12(who will undoubtly find fault in my assumption that his link was from a subjective site). I still stick by my convictions on the matter, I've been tricked before. Theres a saying thats used alot, "If it's on the internet, it most be true". I have no choice but to carefully looked at the site in which I get the information.

Tom,

Ever the voice of reason.

The world is a very big place and I have not met anyone who knows everything going on in it, either. Lots of people are only too happy to tell me, though, and the only price for their help is that I must agree completely with their perspective. No one really sets out to make the world a worse place, but acting without having enough facts can lead to this result. Sometimes I think too many people are doing too much and that more people should have the courage to sit down, be quiet, and learn. This is the approach I take most often. My friends accuse me of not caring and of not trying to help.

I've watched video's on the internet of executions, gang beatings in which people have rocks crush their heads while on tape. Some one getting his fingers cut off while awake, the daniel pearl video, a video in which a man was placed on the ground and shot in the jaw and lived for a few minutes with the wound until he was finally killed, and otheres equally brutal than I care to remember. I've seen these things from a video screen and yet it has affected me to the point where I no longer blink an eye to footage of mass graves or whatnot. Im indifferent and i've grown cold and cruel and now im trying to regain a bit of my humanity back by wanting torture to stop. That is why I don't want to debate the war anymore, hearing about the captured soldiers being executed despite the Geneva Convention, it put over the top. People suffering is not a game to me, and I would without question sacrifice myself in a war if it meant innocent people wouldn't have to suffer.

When I die I will be judged. A judgement on myself, or from God, or a mixture of both. To me, at the present, I can live with wanting pain to stop, through any means necessary(oxymoron?).

I see, you do think this is a what if game. That's okay. That is the big difference between you and I. I see very few what ifs. War with Iran is inevitable. Not because America sees this as a war with Islam....Remember what I keep saying....it is world perception that ends the day.


If I came out that way, I apoligize. I use humor to make a point sometimes, but do not assume that I think of this as a game.

America and people with your mind set keep ignoring other perceptions than your own. You see it this way. So it is this way. Of course! Hmmmm....Nope sorry.

Im glad you know me so well. Are you my soul mate? But really, arn't you doing the same thing? You just said that your way of seeing things is the right way, or implied it.

America must see other countries view on this situation and not ignore these perceptions. Otherwise they will find that they get themselves in one hell of a mess. Opps! Too late. Iran sees this as a serious war against Islam, that darn perception thing again. You have ignored this at your own follie. America had better do really heavy damage control with Iran fast or they are out of luck. No peace agreement with Palestine will quell Iran.


I will not discuss the war anymore, as stated.

As for peace agreement with Isreal. How will the US deal with an Isreal who believes the Americans will betray it. They believe the Americans will seek to regain favour with the Arab world after the Iraq war by bullying Isreal into giving a better deal to the Palestinians. Wow! There is a lot of Trust there! Even Americans strongest allies do not trust America! That will make peace talks easy.


Israel is one of the United States biggest allies. The U.S has promised Sharon billions in aid this year.

As we grow spiritually we come to see that in a dualistic world there is no truth...only perception. Ignore another mans perception and conflict is inevitable unless he/she is a very wise person. Unfortunately, not enough of those in the world. Do not let the beliefs and filters you were born into fool you...truth lyes on higher planes than this dualistic plane.

Im the last to hide behind psuedo-enlightenment and newage belief to get my point across. Don't assume because someone holds a different opinion than you that they are born into a lie, nor attack the person who won't see it your way. Perception and truth. Think about it, I "percieve" that dog is really a cat, but I really know the "truth", it's a dog. But that's for another forum.

Doing the christian thing(I was born blind into it), I will ask for your forgiveness. I have upset you somehow and im sorry but I do not share your beliefs, it does happen, though understand that I respect them. If this is not enough, I can't offer you anything more.

1) Do you think the Shi'a people will be given 1/3 representation in a democratic parliment after the war ends? Remember the Shi'as are very Islamic in their religious views. This has many Suffi and Kurd's upset since they view the Islamics as very backwards. There is almost no tolerance for Islam or what are seen as Iranian type views.


Shi'a arabs are the major religion in Iraq, like Christianity is in the western world. In our democracy, religion is separate from state, it should be in the new Iraqi democracy. Do I think they will be given 1/3 representation? It's far to early to tell given that the war isn't even over yet.  

Questions 2,3, and 4 are essentially the same, and the answer is, if the U.S made a dollar down everytime a country in the middleeast threatened Jihad, the U.S could pay of their debts and still have enough to go to a matinee. It will happen regardless of war or not.

5) How do you think this war will impact the war on terrorism (taking into account the countries that have large investments in Iran)?
Will this squash terrorism or increase it? Encourage more governments to support America of fewer governments?

Terrorism threats will increase, no doubt about it. But inaction would result in more successful terrorist attacks. You will never squash terrorism. It's a lose lose situation. 9/11 happened before the Iraq war, something probably bigger will happen in the future.

6) One last question. Why do you think France, Russia, Germany, China were appose to this war? America seems puzzled. I'm not. While America was busy labelling them as part of the 'axis of absolute evil' The above countries were busy communicating, engaging Iran. They are much more informed of the mentality of this country. France has been hoping for a slow opening of this economy...sort of like China. Hey they are able to play music again (use to be forbidden). How much do you think Bush understands Iranian mentality vs. these countries?

France, Russia, and Germany have trade pacts with Iraq, thats why. It's not because they give a damn about the Iraqi people. China really could care less, they are isolationists and once and a while add something to the debate.

Why do you keep mentioning Iran? What about Israel and the fact that they are surrounded by people that want to nuke them? Wouldn't Israel benefit from one less nation wanting to destroy them?

Lets look at it this way. The U.S dropped nukes on Japan to end the war faster and tactitians agree that lives were actually saved in the long run. Should the U.S. of waited and let the war continue longer than was necessary?

That artical you gave me has an interesting quote:

In January, Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi told a crowd in Gaza: "We call on the Arabs and Muslims to burn the land under the feet of the American invaders, especially our brothers in Saudi Arabia because this war is not against Iraq, it's against the Islamic nation."


Let me ask you a question. Do you believe this war is against the Islamic nation?

Of course, if you see this as a what if game. Do not play. But I personally do not see that many what ifs. More when will for me.

Life is a what if game. What if you studied something else in school, what would happen? What if you marry one person over another? What if you went outside instead of staying indoors? "What if" is irrelevant because there are no guarantees in life, especially in war. We make "what if" decisions everyday. The U.S has chosen to attack iraq, rather than wait and see if they will attack the U.S.

Time will tell if everything will work out for the best, but it seldom does in world events. People assumed that during the cold war, the world would be destroyed, and yet it hasn't.

What if the U.S waited and were later attacked, whose side would the protestors be on? Are sides irrelevant when when it's your people being attacked?

I think what the problem is in this whole debate is the fact that something has to be done, and that something is a dirty three letter word that no one likes to use.

This will be my last post in this thread, because I think it's disrespectful to the troops and civilians dieing over there right now. Especially those just captured...

I wonder how my Command & Conquer Generals icon would do.

From the article:

Magnetic reversals have happened throughout history and are thought to take a few thousand years.]

It's been a couple of years since I took geology but Im pretty sure the word few is used extremly loosly in this sentence.

[AND]

Im not saying the U.S are angels but anyway...

I'd rather not take information from Jeff Rense. Unless I need some information on conspiracy or UFO stories.

Here's a case of reporting from Rense:
http://www.rense.com/general35/zionism.htm

I think someones been reading Mein Kampf. Jewish agenda? Ok.

Or this:
http://www.rense.com/general5/dis1.htm

The Illuminati? Ok moving on...

http://www.rense.com/general35/how.htm
Freemasons are behind it now huh? We're being screwed by the govenment AND ancient secret societies!

A thousand dead today for a million living tomorrow. Such is life.

Aye, fight and you may die; run, and you'll
live, at least a while. And dying in your beds,
many years from now, would you be willing
to trade all the days, from this day to that, for
one chance, just one chance, to come back
here and tell our enemies, they may take our
lives, but they will never take our freedom.

Good old Mel believes in freedom.

I have to say that the day before the invasion began I was having second thoughts. Not so now.

The liberated Iraq people don't seem to mind being invaded.

A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with 14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without Iraqi government minders present. Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor with the Assyrian Church of the East, told UPI the trip "had shocked me back to reality." Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start. They were willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists. Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head."

That was taken from: http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030321-023627-5923r

"There was a machine designed for shredding plastic. Men were dropped into it and we were again made to watch. Sometimes they went in head first and died quickly. Sometimes they went in feet first and died screaming. It was horrible. I saw 30 people die like this. Their remains would be placed in plastic bags and we were told they would be used as fish food . . . on one occasion, I saw Qusay [President Saddam Hussein's youngest son] personally supervise these murders."

This is one of the many witness statements that were taken by researchers from Indict - the organisation I chair - to provide evidence for legal cases against specific Iraqi individuals for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. This account was taken in the past two weeks.

Another witness told us about practices of the security services towards women: "Women were suspended by their hair as their families watched; men were forced to watch as their wives were raped . . . women were suspended by their legs while they were menstruating until their periods were over, a procedure designed to cause humiliation."

The accounts Indict has heard over the past six years are disgusting and horrifying. Our task is not merely passively to record what we are told but to challenge it as well, so that the evidence we produce is of the highest quality. All witnesses swear that their statements are true and sign them.

For these humanitarian reasons alone, it is essential to liberate the people of Iraq from the regime of Saddam. The 17 UN resolutions passed since 1991 on Iraq include Resolution 688, which calls for an end to repression of Iraqi civilians. It has been ignored. Torture, execution and ethnic-cleansing are everyday life in Saddam's Iraq.

Were it not for the no-fly zones in the south and north of Iraq - which some people still claim are illegal - the Kurds and the Shia would no doubt still be attacked by Iraqi helicopter gunships.

For more than 20 years, senior Iraqi officials have committed genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity. This list includes far more than the gassing of 5,000 in Halabja and other villages in 1988. It includes serial war crimes during the Iran-Iraq war; the genocidal Anfal campaign against the Iraqi Kurds in 1987-88; the invasion of Kuwait and the killing of more than 1,000 Kuwaiti civilians; the violent suppression, which I witnessed, of the 1991 Kurdish uprising that led to 30,000 or more civilian deaths; the draining of the Southern Marshes during the 1990s, which ethnically cleansed thousands of Shias; and the summary executions of thousands of political opponents.

Many Iraqis wonder why the world applauded the military intervention that eventually rescued the Cambodians from Pol Pot and the Ugandans from Idi Amin when these took place without UN help. They ask why the world has ignored the crimes against them?

All these crimes have been recorded in detail by the UN, the US, Kuwaiti, British, Iranian and other Governments and groups such as Human Rights Watch, Amnesty and Indict. Yet the Security Council has failed to set up a war crimes tribunal on Iraq because of opposition from France, China and Russia. As a result, no Iraqi official has ever been indicted for some of the worst crimes of the 20th century. I have said incessantly that I would have preferred such a tribunal to war. But the time for offering Saddam incentives and more time is over.

I do not have a monopoly on wisdom or morality. But I know one thing. This evil, fascist regime must come to an end. With or without the help of the Security Council, and with or without the backing of the Labour Party in the House of Commons tonight.



Taken from The Times Online

Yesterday afternoon a truck drove down a side road in the Iraqi town of Safwan, laden with rugs and furniture. Booty or precious possessions? In a day of death, joy and looting, it was hard to know.
As the passengers spotted European faces, one boy grinned and put his thumb up. The other nervously waved a white flag. The mixed messages defined the moment: Thank you. We love you. Please don't kill us.

US marines took Safwan at about 8am yesterday. There was no rose-petal welcome, no cheering crowd, no stars and stripes.

Afraid that the US and Britain will abandon them, the people of Safwan did not touch the portraits and murals of Saddam Hussein hanging everywhere. It was left to the marines to tear them down. It did not mean there was not heartfelt gladness at the marines' arrival. Ajami Saadoun Khlis, whose son and brother were executed under the Saddam regime, sobbed like a child on the shoulder of the Guardian's Egyptian translator. He mopped the tears but they kept coming.

"You just arrived," he said. "You're late. What took you so long? God help you become victorious. I want to say hello to Bush, to shake his hand. We came out of the grave."

"For a long time we've been saying: 'Let them come'," his wife, Zahara, said. "Last night we were afraid, but we said: 'Never mind, as long as they get rid of him, as long as they overthrow him, no problem'." Their 29-year-old son was executed in July 2001, accused of harbouring warm feelings for Iran.

"He was a farmer, he had a car, he sold tomatoes, and we had a life that we were satis fied with," said Khlis. "He was in prison for a whole year, and I raised 75m dinars in bribes. It didn't work. The money was gone, and he was gone. They sent me a telegram. They gave me the body."

The marines rolled into the border town after a bombardment which left up to a dozen people dead. Residents gave different figures. A farmer, Haider, who knew one of the men killed, Sharif Badoun, said: "Killing some is worth it, to end the injustice and suffering." The men around him gave a collective hysterical laugh.

The injustice of tyranny was merged in their minds with the effects of sanctions. "Look at the way we're dressed!" said Haider, and scores of men held up their stained, holed clothes. "We are isolated from the rest of the world."

The marines took Safwan without loss, although a tank hit a mine. "They had to clear that route through. They found the way to punch through and about 10 Iraqi soldiers surrendered immediately," said Marine Sergeant Jason Lewis, from Denver, standing at a checkpoint at the entrance to the town where, minutes earlier, a comrade had folded a huge portrait of President Saddam and tucked it into his souvenir box.

The welcome, he admitted, had been cool. "At first they were a little hesitant," he said. "As you know, Saddam's a dictator, so we've got to reassure them we're here to stay _ We tore down the Saddam signs to show them we mean business.

"Hopefully this time we'll do it right, and give these Iraqis a chance of liberty."

But the marines' presence was light. They had not brought food, medicines, or even order. All day hundreds of armoured vehicles poured through the town. But they did not stop, and the looting continued. Every government establishment seemed to be fair game. People covered their faces in shame as they carried books out of a school. Tawfik Mohammed, the headmaster, initially denied his school had been looted, then admitted it. "This is the result of your entering," he said. "Whenever any army enters an area it becomes chaos. We are cautious about the future. We are very afraid."

Safwan yesterday was a place where people were constantly taking you aside to warn in veiled terms that it was necessary to be careful. Everywhere was the lingering fear that the revenge killings that swept the area in 1991 - a product of US encourage ment and then abandonment of the southern Iraqi revolt - could happen again.

"Now, we are afraid [Saddam's] government will come back," said Haider, as the Safwan Farmers' Cooperative was being looted behind him. "We don't trust the Americans any more. People made a revolution, and they didn't help us."

Safwan is a crumbling, dead-end place, full of poor, restless young men, and reliant on the tomato trade for its income. Farmers were panicking yesterday as they asked journalists, in lieu of anyone better, how they were supposed to sell their tomatoes.

A handful of soldiers, mainly US marines but with a few British, are struggling to cope with the chaos and the lack of health care or aid.

At a checkpoint just north of the town two British military policemen with paramedical training and a US doctor rushed to treat two Iraqi men brought in on the back of a beaten-up pick-up truck. Their legs were lacerated by shrapnel. The military policemen did their conscientious best, and may have saved their lives.



Taken from http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,919627,00.html

Saddam Hussein's eldest son mercilessly beats girls as young as 12 on the soles of their feet if they refuse to sleep with him, Iraqi defectors said today.

Uday Hussein forces head teachers of schools in Baghdad's poorest districts to send pupils to his palace where he arranges dates with those he likes.

If the chosen girls annoy him in anyway they are dangled over a wooden beam held by his bodyguards and repeatedly hit with a wooden club, according to two former members of his inner circle who recently fled Iraq.

"He does it to a girl if she says she doesn't want to go out with him, or if she finds another boyfriend, or is late or reluctant," one defector told Vanity Fair magazine.

The 38-year-old warns victims not to flinch while the beating is administered or they will have their legs broken. He often hits them up to 50 times, the report claimed.

Afterwards, when they can barely walk, he orders them to dance.

Uday, head of Iraq's Olympic Committee, was known to have beaten football players and athletes when they lost.

The defectors said he also inflicted beatings, imprisonment and torture on close friends and business associates - simply for being late to a meeting or irritating him.

His punishments have become more brutal since an assassination attempt in 1996 which left him with walking difficulties and problems having sex.

Some victims have been branded on the buttocks with hot irons.

"Uday tells them, 'this mark is never going to go from your body, so you'll remember me until the day you die'," one defector said.

One former friend died after being held down and made to drink huge quantities of pure alcohol.

Business rivals have been shot in the arm or a leg and then allowed to bleed slowly to death.

Uday also likes to deflower virginity, knowing that no one will touch them after he has slept with them, the defectors said.

"He likes joking about with his friends: 'look at her, after this she'll be a prostitute'."

The defectors have been debriefed by MI6 and Pentagon officials and are regarded as reliable sources on the workings of Saddam's regime, the magazine said.

Intelligence officials believe Uday may have been in the bunker hit by a cruise missile in the "decapitation strike" on Baghdad in the first hours of the war.

His younger brother, Qusay, is Saddam's heir after Uday fell out of favour when he murdered a close friend of his father in 1988.



Taken from http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,919627,00.html

But this is all propaganda right? []

S. Marines Rip Down Saddam Portraits
Fri Mar 21, 9:41 AM ET

By ELLEN KNICKMEYER, Associated Press Writer

SAFWAN, Iraq - U.S. Marines hauled down giant street portraits of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) in a screeching pop of metal and bolts Friday, telling nervous residents of this southern Iraqi town that "Saddam is done."

Milling crowds of men and boys watched as the Marines attached ropes on the front of their Jeeps to one portrait and then backed up, peeling the Iraqi leader's black-and-white metal image off a frame. Some locals briefly joined Maj. David "Bull" Gurfein in a new cheer.

"Iraqis! Iraqis! Iraqis!" Gurfein yelled, pumping his fist in the air.

"We wanted to send a message that Saddam is done," said Gurfein, a New York native in the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force. "People are scared to show a lot of emotion. That's why we wanted to show them this time we're here, and Saddam is done."

The Marines arrived in Safwan, just across the Kuwait border, after Cobra attack helicopters, attack jets, tanks, 155 mm howitzers and sharpshooters cleared the way along Route 80, the main road into Iraq (news - web sites).

Safwan, 375 miles south of Baghdad, is a poor, dirty, wrecked town pocked by shrapnel from the last Gulf war (news - web sites). Iraqi forces in the area sporadically fired mortars and guns for hours Thursday and Friday. Most townspeople hid, although residents brought forth a wounded little girl, her palm bleeding after the new fighting. Another man said his wife was shot in the leg by the Americans.

A few men and boys ventured out, putting makeshift white flags on their pickup trucks or waving white T-shirts out truck windows.

"Americans very good," Ali Khemy said. "Iraq wants to be free."

Some chanted, "Ameriki! Ameriki!"

Many others in the starving town just patted their stomachs and raised their hands, begging for food.

A man identifying himself only as Abdullah welcomed the arrival of the U.S. troops: "Saddam Hussein is no good. Saddam Hussein a butcher."

An old woman shrouded in black — one of the very few women outside — knelt toward the feet of Americans, embracing an American woman. A younger man with her pulled her away, giving her a warning sign by sliding his finger across his throat.

In 1991, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died after prematurely celebrating what they believed was their liberation from Saddam after the Gulf War. Some even pulled down a few pictures of Saddam then — only to be killed by Iraqi forces.

Gurfein playfully traded pats with a disabled man and turned down a dinner invitation from townspeople.

"Friend, friend," he told them in Arabic learned in the first Gulf War.

"We stopped in Kuwait that time," he said. "We were all ready to come up there then, and we never did."

The townspeople seemed grateful this time.

"No Saddam Hussein!" one young man in headscarf told Gurfein. "Bush!"

Then there is this gem: http://komo1000news.com/audio/kvi_aircheck_031003.mp3

Or this:
http://images.radcity.net/5149/359372.mp3

As for the protestors:
http://brain-terminal.com/video/nyc-2003-02-15/quicktime-hq.html

and even worse:
http://brain-terminal.com/video/sf-2003-03-15/quicktime-hq.html

Americans in favor of the war:
http://gallup.com/poll/releases/pr030321.asp

More:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/26/weekinreview/26JOHN.html?ex=1044248400&en=1aec64f892889c31&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

Pretty interesting:
http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/2283602?source=Evening%20Standard

Etc Etc.

I have plenty more but chances are that if your anti-war, you wouldn't read them anyway(propaganda right?).

Im glad there are so many protestors out there today(except when they get in the way of ambulances [V]), because it shows that freedom still exists on earth.

Well, up until I was about 5 or 6 years old, I would always see floating green rocks(lack of a better word). They would float across the room and vanish after a few mintues. They were fairly large, about the size of a 27inch tv, and would vary in shape.

On a side note, I think PPSD mentions lights as evidence of neg presence, can't remember though.

However, last night was a bit weird. I had a false awakening and saw this piece of green Jelly like stuff and I concluded that it was a physical manifestation of energy or maybe an ectoplasm?


Could you describe it more?

[Verily, verily I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of heaven]

quote:Originally posted by Adrian

The most ironic aspect about Bush is that he is a "born again christian". From the Gospel of St. John, where I assume these "born agains" refer: Verily, verily I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of heaven. This does not mean, believe in Jesus, go to church, read the bible and be instantly forgiven and saved. "born again" is symbolically represents the breaking free from the shackles of materialism and physical existence, finding the sacred purpose in Spiritual truths, living life in the Spirit accordingly, constantly striving for perfection, and Spiritual ascent to the ever higher levels of the spheres, which become ever lighter, more peaceful, blissful and beautiful, with Love being the ever stronger force. Only when man/woman is "born again" into this reality, which can take very many lifetimes, can we pursue our true, eternal and sacred purpose.

With best regards,

Adrian.

Very nice Adrian. I have been told that because I am a Catholic, born and raised, I'm not born again so therefore Im no better than devil worshippers and murderers. From what I understand, you can only get to heaven if your in a denomination that sprung up during the 19th century and originated in the southern united states. And imagine the anger in there eyes when I say I don't believe in a rapture!

As for the term born again, I've always believed that passage is simply referring to the fact that there were very few christians at the start of the work of the apostles, therefore pretty much everyone on earth at the time would, by definition, be born again into the christian faith. The bible has to be while keeping in context the time in which it was written.

As for the war:

"50 million people have been killed since peace began in 1945."
-John Keegan

Now back to Battlefield 1942.

I wonder if Mrs. Bush knows?

Know how many people who didnt feel like whining anymore are over in iraq acting as shields?

Last I heard they left when Saddam told them to guard military installations, and that they may actually have to die.

they are there because they want to fight, and use the weapons of war against fellow human beings - their brothers and sisters - have no illusions about that. If they did not enjoy fighting, war, destruction and killing, they would not have exercised their own freewill to do it.

Wow.

"Just miles from your doorstep, hundreds of men are given weapons and trained to kill. The government calls it the Army, but a more alarmist name would be...The Killbot Factory!"

---Kent Brockman on "The Simpsons"

My family is full of killbots.

Deus Ex is my second favorite single player game, I can't wait for the second one either.

MJ-12,

Have you ever played the game Deus Ex by any chance?

public class Beer
{
public static void main(String[] args)
{
  int bottle = 10000;

  while (bottle > 0)
  {
  System.out.println(bottle + " bottles of beer on the wall");
  System.out.println(bottle + " bottles of beer");
  System.out.println("take one down, pass it around");
  bottle--;
  System.out.println(bottle + " bottles of beer on the wall");
  }
}
}


There, only took 2 minutes to write, 1 second to compile, and about 10 seconds to run through.

Didn't Saddam's people try to set up a one on one fight between him and bush a few months ago?

Inguma,

I mailed you back.

It sounds to me like the only reason that Nerezza feels we should go to war is because he/she does not see another way out of this dilemma, and I think that he/she feels it should be avoided at all costs but in this case thinks maybe it's unavoidable.

I feel that, not all wars have been in vain. My brother could be heading to Iraq soon depending on whether Canada goes along or not. I do not want a war, true, but I can't see how in this case it can be avoided. I don't want to hear 10-20 years from now that we should of invaded Iraq but didn't. Of course the same thing goes for if we go to war when we shouldn't. It sounds like a flip a coin situation to me.

I didn't realize the young ages of the two first posters. Keep up your vigilance and don't listen to people like me who are pessimistic and assume war will happen. I pray peace will win out, and if it does, not because we turned a blind eye or assumed Saddam would just go away. It's nice to be naive, but sooner or later, it will catch up to you.

I know of the U.S history of things concerning country building and the blood spilled. Also on how it's all my fault. Im Catholic, no one knows guilt like a Catholic[].  

BTW, Im Canadian, not american.

You're living in a dream world Neo.

If I were, I would think peace possible, even likly.

For an interesting view of the coming calamity:
http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2002/11/iraq2.shtml

I'm surprised you forgot to re-enter your body. Robert Bruce gives some sort of a warning (When you get out the first time, re-enter you body). He never really gave much of a reason, but he did say that it would help you incredibly and save you wasted nights of trying.

What he means is that it will be easier for most people to remember the experience. I never had a problem though.