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Ryan,

Why don't you explain the way YOU do the lifeline technique, so we can hear it described from the viewpoint of another person.

In particular, I am interested in knowing your thought processes during the procedure, how did you prepare before projecting (if at all), and how to put your consciousness on the "Life Line" before moving it up or down the line.

Looking forward to your response.

No supersanjinfive, I'm afraid you make us ALL laugh.  Reading your posts is a lot like watching my blindfolded dog walk into walls.  Painful, but you just can't help and laugh at the poor bastard.

Volcomstone....great post!

quote:Originally posted by supersayjinfive

I really am a nice guy with alot of info. But not to be rude but..... SHUT UP! Just cus u dont think im rite dont get all crazy about it saying bla bla bla. I answer peoples obe and dreams my way and you guys do it your way. I really dont care who they chose as long as they took the rite path.

How do you expect anyone to A) come to you for advice, and B) take you seriously, when you act like a 4 year old withdrawing from a caffeine addiction?

You still never answered my original questions I posed to you.  I'm waiting.....

Hi Glow.  You don't mind that I call you Glow now, do you? []

quote:Originally posted by glowsoftly
No not yet, I also predominantly always AP from a lying down position myself also, I find it easier to concentrate. Hold on...let me try it...why not eh... Nope I couldn't do it lying down! how weird eh...I just couldn't get the line to go down. I tried extending a line forward to my death,no problem got out ok. So for some reason you need space to create the line, its possible and probaly that its just a mental block thing? Will experiment more and let you know.

I don't know.  For me, there is something, well, freaky about focusing on my "death point!"  I don't like to imagine myself at the moment of death, so I don't know if I will try that.

Instead, I may substitute a little bit, and do something Monroe talked about.  He would focus on a point in front of him, a few feet away at a 30 degree angle.  He talks about this in his first book, but I have never really explored the technique.  But your technique is very similiar, so perhaps you're both hitting on the same concept.

However, you seem to project relatively quickly from this (Oh how I envy you!).  

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Do you AP Jeff?

I sure do.  []  It all started a little over 5 years ago at the age of 23.  I'm now...let's see....5 plus 23 equals.....28!  Yes, I'm 28 now, and I've had well over 100 OBE's.

You're new around here, so you may not know, but I even designed a computer program to record and analyze these experiences.  Perhaps you can take a look at it, use it, and tell me what you think?  You can download it for free here: http://www.obejournal.com

quote:
anyway big thanks Jeff, you've given me even more discoveries! []

No, thank YOU.  I look forward to talking to you more.  If you have MSN Messenger, you can add me to your contact list by using my email address: jeff@myjokemail.com

quote:Originally posted by Winter of Souls

Oh no...I did, and I understnad what he thinks and believes happend to me, I would just like another point of view...sheesh, no need to snap at people..[V]

I didn't mean to come off like I was snapping at you.  Now that you've told us that you already talked to your sensai, could you share with us what he said?

In particular, I would like to know his explanation as to HOW you did it, and WHY did it happen.

Looking forward to your response.

Glowsoftly,

Thank you for responding to my questions.  Here are some more (hehe, don't you just love it!):

1) When you say that you trace things back to your birth, are you consciously bringing up as many memories as possible and mentally saying to yourself, "Ok, that happened 2 years ago.  Now what happened before that?  ::another memory::  Ok, now what happened before that? etc."  Is that what's going on mentally, or are you just trying to focus on the birthing event and wait for the projection to be induced?

2) Have you ever tried this from a prone or lying down position?

I have never projected from a sitting position, so since I will be lying down, I will have to imagine the energetic line going downwards (instead of outwards).  I wonder what effect that will have on you if you did this lying down.

3) How long has your average OBE lasted from this technique, since you've said that you've had roughly 20 of them by doing this?

That's it for now.  Thanks for the quick response.

Why don't you ask your sensai about it and then tell us?  

Do you mean to tell me that after jumping up to 15 feet in the air, you didn't look at the guy helping you and say, "How is this possible, and what could the meditation have done?"

I'm not very convinced right now.

Speaking of falling techniques, I don't know if you can relate to this, but for me, it's always been difficult to "imagine" I was in an elevator, or falling from an airplane.

Why?  Simply because my logical mind says, "You dope, of course you're not in an elevator...you're lying in bed!"

So what I have done in the past is to imagine I was SINKING into my mattress.  This worked for me because I believed it was a possible scenario.  After all, I was already ON my mattress, so I could imagine a sinking feeling into it, as opposed to a sinking elevator feeling (which I knew I was not in).

Hope that helps!

Hi glowsoftly,

First off, welcome to the forums, and thank you for posting your technique.  I will be giving it a try this weekend.  First off, I hope you don't mind if I bombard you with a ton of questions, which will help some of us understand more about this:

1) I was wondering, though, does this technique work for you 100% of the time?  90%?  Less?  

2) Also, what state of relaxation are you in before you try this?  Do you just lay down, and immedietely start to visualize this connection back to your birth?  Or do you relax for 5-10 minutes to clear your thoughts, and THEN try this technique?

3) How far out do you see this imaginary line stretching behind you before it triggers an OBE?  Would you say in relation to your physical body that the line stretches out 15 feet?  100 feet?  

4) Is this line the same length everytime, and would it be longer if you were older?  

5) Do you do any other sort of energy work (i.e. drawing energy into your solar plexus chakra) before attemping this?

I think that is enough questions for now!  Looking forward to your answers.

I'm glad to see people sharing methods of projection which can help others.  I have heard of this technique in the past.  

However, I don't think it would help me.....simply because I'm so damn analytical, if I posed an unanswerable question to my brain, my mind would wander and soon, I would be asleep, deeply engrossed in a dream!

As an example, taking your tree falling in a forest method, while contemplating on the sound it would make if no one where around, I would start to think about the forest itself, and the next thing I know, I'll be dreaming (instead of figuring out the problem).

I think I'm more of a VISUAL person.  This is why I usually concentrate on the blackness behind my eyes, and try to fixate/stare at things which begin popping up in my mind's eye.  If I have something to LOOK for, it keeps me more focused than letting my mind wander on an inanswerable question.

But to each his own.  What works for me won't work for everyone, and vice versa.  I thank you for posting your methods though, and it already appears to be helping others.  That's what really counts after all, right? [8D]

Hey what's up Nate?  

I wonder, do you go to bed TIRED?  Or are you thinking everytime you lay down, "Man, I sure hope these damn vibrations don't start again."

You don't have to be fixated on the thought, but it sounds that you have this deep unconscious fear (?) or fixation (probably a better word) with these vibes.....Even though you don't WANT them, that in itself is enough to have your subconscious focused on them.

The reason why I said "fear" above is that it almost seemed like you were scared these things are related to alien abduction phenomena....in which case, get that thought out of your head as soon as possible.  []

It's like repeating over and over, "I hope I don't feel an itch on my arm.  I hope  I don't feel an itch on my arm."  Guess what?  Pretty soon, you're going to feel an itch on your arm, even though you were telling yourself the opposite.

So how do you get past this predicament?  Good question.  I don't know if I can help you, since I don't suffer from this problem.  I would say that you need to do a couple of things though:

1) Try not to fixate on these, if at all possible.  When you lay down at night, discard all thoughts about NOT having these things.

2) Make sure you're relaxed and tired.  I don't think you necessarilly need to run a marathon before retiring that night, but perhaps get a good book and READ.  I don't know about you, but reading before bed always makes me tired.

Hope that helps.  If it were me, though, I would embrace these vibrations and transform them into an awesome OBE and fly around.  []

quote:Originally posted by supersayjinfive

Im not here to bug people and disturb im just here to help. I can reconize there dreams through my new way of figurization.

You may not be here to bug people, and for that I am grateful, but you didn't answer any of my questions (which kinda bugs me! []).

I mean, it's easy to make boisterous claims and just say, "Well, I can do this because of my new way of figurization."  But to analytical people such as myself, the first thing I wonder is, "How do you do this?  What are some of your past experiences which let you realize that you have this innate ability of 'figurization'?"

Do you see what I'm getting at here?  I'm not arguing that you don't have the "new way of figurization" at your disposal.  I'm simply making the case that if you're going to tell people that you can do this or that, then you should be able to describe WHY you think you can, WHAT you have done in the past to allow you to believe this, and HOW we can trust you before putting our faith in your statements.

I'd still like to see your answers to my questions above, if at all possible.

Please provide the basis for making these outlandish statements.  I'm getting really tired of people who speak as if they are authorities on the matter, without any credentials or reasoning behind their predictions.

I could easily start a post and say, "Listen...I know you all like to post on this board, but the giant Fish-People who control the Internet under the ocean are infiltrating your minds as we speak."

Yes, that may be all well and good, but what would give me the IDEA that this is happening?  If you're going to make ridiculous claims, then at least back those claims up with HOW you came to those conclusions.

And I use the word "ridiculous" very loosely on this forum...since many things I myself talk about (OBE's, astral projecting) can be termed ridiculous by others.  The only difference is that I try and help/educate myself and others through personal experience.  Not to mention, some of what I say regarding my OBE's can be verified by 95% of other projectors.  As an example, I could describe in detail the feelings of the vibrations, and those of you who have experienced them will be able to verify that what I'm saying is true.

But when people come in here and say, matter of factly, that "they have some news" and that some "war" has been called off, no offense, but I want to smack them around.  I'm not an idiot (usually).  Most of the people who come here are not idiots.  Nor were we born yesterday.  So please, pretty please, with a cherry on top...spare us any crap that spews forth from your imaginations that you're trying to pass off as universal truths.....unless you can at least tell us WHY you believe the way you do, and HOW you came to those conclusions.  Then we can choose to disagree or agree with your standpoint.

Sorry for the rant, guys and gals.  I've only been awake for a few hours and my tolerance level isn't up to par yet!

I have a few questions for you.....

quote:Originally posted by supersayjinfive

come and tell me what your dream was and i can tell you your part in the war

1. What war are you talking about?

2. Why would someone need you (or anyone else) to tell them what role they play in their own spiritual walk?  This is the same problem I have with so-called evangelists who profess to know what God wants you to do...as if you couldn't find out from God Himself by seeking...instead you have to hear it from one of his "chosen servants."

3. Why does the subject of this post ask for OBE posts, and the body of the post have nothing to do with them?

4. How do you profess to discern a persons role in this "war" based on their dreams?  If I told you that I had a sexually related dream the night before last, how could you transform that into anything related to this "war?"

quote:Originally posted by Risu no Kairu

I just realized something.

This post is in the wrong forum.

It belongs more in Astral Chat, than Astral Experiences.

I didn't even notice that Risu.  Good call.  I just moved it.

quote:Originally posted by lateralus897

Elliott Smith gets the thumbs up, just got some of his stuff, I like it. I'm gonna go out and buy a cd, which would you recommend? But I disagree about the drums for Metallica, not a fan of him or his style.

All his CD's are good....however, the later ones (like "XOR" and "Figure 8") are recorded on a bigger studio budget, and have more instruments worked into the songs.

The order which I bought his CD's in are as follows:

XOR
Figure 8
Elliott Smith
Either/Or
Roman Candle

I listen to all kinds of music, from Marilyn Manson to Mudvayne.  However, Elliott Smith is my new favorite musician because of the depth and beauty of his depressing songs.

quote:Originally posted by supersayjinfive
I am a demon and i have trained hard for this belive me or not.

Well thank God you weren't training hard in grammatical lessons.  I would have to sue your literary instructor.  Oh, and in case all you demons are as illiterate as you type, "grammatical" has nothing to do with "graham crackers."

quote:Originally posted by supersayjinfive
I have studied this war and have waited all my life to fight in it. My dad has trained me sense i was a child. Now it is almost time to prove my strength i hope u guys dont fight i can tell you are all weaklings.

Hmmmm.  If you already know we are weaklings, then why do you bother to "prove your strength?"  Isn't that like arm wrestling a baby fetus?

No no no, my goofy little cyclops.  I'm afraid the only thing you will win is the "Horrible Hades Spelling Bee Championship."

Well first off, from reading your OBE account, it sounds to me like a genuine OBE.  However, I am of the school of thought that no one can tell someone else if they had an OBE or not.  When you have one, you will just KNOW.  There is no second guessing about it.

From reading your description, it sounds like you were convinced that it WAS indeed an OBE, UNTIL you returned to the body and things seemed blurrred.

I have no idea why that would make you second guess the experience.  A lot of times, the return to the physical can be hazy, for a couple of reasons:

1) It could be hazy because you're losing control of the experience, which is why you are returning to the physical body to begin with.

2) The return could be hazy because you're merging two bodies back into one, and as Robert Bruce would say, downloading your shadow memories if the projection experience back into your conscious mind, which continued to reside in the physical body while you were "out."

So how do you KNOW that you had an OBE if the return seems fuzzy? Here are some signs I look for:

1) When I am projecting, I KNOW beyond a reasonable doubt that I am having an OBE.

2) I also KNOW that I have a physical body back in bed, and that I am not with that body at that moment.

3) I possess my full, conscious mind and I'm in control of all my actions.  I can reason and use intuition the same way I do in the physical. Nothing seems to be on automatic pilot mode, and I can do or say whatever I want.  In many lucid dream scenarios, this isn't the case.

Hope that helps.

quote:Originally posted by clandestino
Jeff, when I read this, I immediately thought of Nick Drake

Well, if you like Nick Drake, then you will love Elliott Smith.  He is often compared to Drake, since they both wrote beautiful guitar songs with a melancholy, depressing style.

Some of Smith's later stuff is reminiscent of the Beatles, whom I love also.  But listening to Smith's music and knowing he just killed himself makes it even more intriguing for me, since you have to wonder how could something this enchanting come out of someone so deeply disturbed that he ended up stabbing himself in the chest?

quote:Originally posted by MageSense
So around 3 AM I began to meditate.  I've been specifically trying to 'activate' my third eye in the past few days, though certain events (particularly this morning's) have led me to believe that it is probably already open

MS....may I ask what you are doing to "activate" it?  The reason why I bring this up is because for me, I can definitely FEEL when it is open.  There is a throbbing, pulsating feeling on my forehead, in between my eyes.  It almost feels like someone is trying to push a finger out of my skin from the inside out!

Anyway, I didn't know if you were concentrating on certain things to make the 3rd eye chakra "Active", or if you were blindly hoping that it would just awaken.

Anyway, great post, and welcome to the forum.  =)

Here, this topic may help you: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8964

I play a little guitar as well. Mostly my own compositions, but I lean towards the alternative sound.  Lately I've been really enchanted with a musician/singer by the name of Elliot Smith.  If you have never heard his music, I highly recommend you check him out.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/ref=pd_kk_sr_2/002-4559048-0607235?index=music&field-keywords=elliott%20smith

A really troubled soul who wrote some of the most beautiful music I've ever heard.  I never heard of him before....until late October 2003, when I found out he killed himself from a self-inflicted stab wound to the chest.  

After hearing that, I became intrigued and decided to check out his music.  Since then, I bought all five of his CD's, and he has since ranked in my top 3 musical artists of all time.  I would be curious if anybody else out there has heard of him, and if they are as moved by his music as I am.

When I get bored, I look up some of the tablature for his songs and teach myself how to play them.

Out of curiousity, what makes you want to get into ki-related things?  Or why would you want to create a "ki-ball", especially if you're not sure about their demonic or non-demonic nature?

Sounds to me like it has nothing to do with your chakras and everything to do with your poor card-playing skills!  []

I have been having active OBE's for the last five years.  I can't say that I have any more special "Abilities" due to them.  That is, no more than I had before.  

I think we all have intuition, which is a form of psychic activity.  For example, have any of you ever set your alarm clock for a certain time, and woke up literally seconds before going off?

Have you ever had a feeling that the phone was about to ring, and boom, it does seconds later?

Or after the phone rings, you have a feeling of who is on the other line?

All of these things happen to me, too often to be merely coincidence.  But I don't walk around thinking, "Hey, alright!  I've got some superpowers!"  Mainly because I can't reproduce this at will.  It is an inner feeling that just happens, and I recognize it.

Now, is this happening because of my OBE's?  I have no idea.  Part of me thinks that this has always happened to me, but it took the OBE's to look inward and recognize this within me.

Are there any other "side effects" to OBE's?  The only thing I can think of is that I now zone out a lot.  I mean, I could just be sitting there, and then stare at some spot on the wall, and just lose myself in it for minutes at a time.  To the outsider, I would look autistic or something.  It's almost like I get these feelings of "Nothing else matters" and you just zone out.

On the other hand, I just could be weird.