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Good questions, il bump in hopes that you will get some equally good answers.

I smoke weed and I can tell you that yes, it does hurt your astral projection abilities. but i think that is because of the memory-altering properties of the drug and not the drug hampering you at all. its a trade-off that you have to decide on yourself.

Yes...and mustardseed you should know that what we call "phasing" has actually been used for thousands of years by mystics, yogis etc etc. Its just now in modern times that we have started to objectively explore these other realms. Just like in modern times we have started to objectively explore the physical world.

More progress is always a great thing. Keep it up n' good luck

I think this is what they are building that huge partical accelerator for in europe...im too lazy to get a link though just google it

you mean you havent tried atlantis style hot dogs yet? your missin out.

I agree with James. If you want to say that all music is created already and we are channeling it, then you would have to say the same for reality itself. Ive heard alot about the fictional worlds thing and it really strikes me. I believe thoughts are not "creations" but a form of communication- a channeling of sorts. Every concept about not only music but EVERY FACET OF REALITY is merely "channeled" by the individual. Music is simply a microcosm of this- and like reality there are literally an infinite number of sounds, pitches, effects etc that are only limited, again, by your imagination.

hmm....if you have no interest thats not my problem. And i dont have faith...read my sig. Faith is self deception And about the demon thing...like I have said before the human mind is a very powerful thing...i doubt these people are making up what they say happens to them, but instead they have developed some pretty whackey belief constructs, and im glad you are there to help them. But it all boils down to fear of the unknown.

Anyway, im sorry my tone comes off as angry or sarcastic, it is a subject im pretty passionate about. Anyway i have a favor to ask of you. could you give a brief description of your NDE experience? Ive read MANY of these and i would love to hear yours to stack it up with the rest.

PS I DO know for a fact that this will be discovered...but theres nothing i can tell you that will change your beliefs, so the best i can do is tell you to wait and see for yourself!

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I agree with knightlight. Dreams are more complicated than most people think(Whoda thunk Freud got it right?) and the fact that he showed up means that he sent the subjective energy and Almost Mrs. Murphey allowed an objective knowing of this act; albeit in a "dream"/obe. Very cool.

i dont pretend to know how they work and i mean no offense- i just dont see why someone would want to waste all this time on shiny pieces of rock and all these beliefs that go along with it. do you put on, take off, and "cleanse" crystals whenever you project? It just doesnt seem productive to me. But like i said, to each his own

lola- what negative energies are you talking about? im sorry that sounds way to far fetched to think that there is "negative energy" that can be absorbed by magical crystals. is someone out to get you?

all these crazy useless constructs around here....but to each his own i guess =\

anyway, tvos- i cant comment on the robert bruce thing just cuz i dont have enough info... what do you mean by "psychic attack"? I highly doubt that these people are making it up, but an objective event like a simple headache can be interpreted lots of different ways- or the people could have had a placebo effect. I couldnt say.

Well that is at least the claim, however it does not match my reality. I would say I am very motivated to see Angels, and if anyone should see them I should. I never did. I have encountered the odd shape shifter, and clearly identified it based of the feel and was easily able to dismiss it.

Have you ever had an NDE? Are you talking about the physical? What is this about "shape shifters"? are these in the physical or another area of consciousness?

What makes you think that just because you would like to see angels you will see them? beliefs run further than simple desires- you dont consciously dictate your beliefs. you can change them objectively sure- but this is just an objectification of a deeper subjective change im sure.

I have not encountered demons in the astral, but in physical life. Had loads of experiences that went totally against what expected. Being a Christian I should see heaven, angels, departed people, etc etc only on a few occasions did I see stuff like this but still never what I expected, so I would say that the usual model that you quote did not seem to be true for me.

When/how did you experience demons in the physical world? You realize that claiming this makes you a)the first person in recorded history to see demons on earth or b)crazy.

if you tell me that you are A, i laugh and tell you to get medicine. Schizophrenia is a tricky thing to deal with.

The whole very quaint little allegory of the sun is basically silly and proves nothing. It is merely a explational trick, but in reality leaving the body or not has nothing to do with the sun and the earth. I could pick any of 1000 cute stories to bolster my adherence, so lets stick with the fact here not allegorical explanations.

I actually find that fairly helpful in explaining the phasing model. "It is merely a explational trick, but in reality leaving the body or not has nothing to do with the sun and the earth." Havent learned about metaphors in english class yet? sorry about that. Since you obviously arent educated enough to understand my metaphor, i will explain it further. My metaphors point was that things are not as they seem. There is no way for you to prove that we are "in" our bodies just as much as there was no way for a person to prove that the sun revolved around us. Soon enough this WILL be discovered, JUST LIKE how we discovered that in actuality we revolved around the sun. Does the metaphor make sense now?

Hard evidence? On the contrary, science is discovering more and more each day about this. We are now to the point that we know how stimuli is filtered through the body into the brain. Here read this:

Brain, Body, Environment
going from what my last post was all about we'll go into a bit more about the brain, and it's relation to the body, environment, and ultimately you. IMHO, most of what we experience is second hand. why do i say this? well, kosh broke it down pretty well with his post containing the ear and sound, electro chemical signals. this whole observable reality that i percieve is simply a reconstruction in my mind, based off of sensory information provided by my body, which is in direct contact with the environment. taste, touch, hearing, sight, smell; these are all the same relative signals, yet they're channeled to and processed by different areas of the brain. this distinguishes one from another, and then translates it into the experience that we know of as taste, touch, etc. our experience of it, such as me touching this keyboard, is based off the brains processing of certains signals in certain regions, relayed by the nervous system. our consciousness collectively percieves this.

to demonstrate the similar nature of these signals one can look at conditions such as synaesthesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia), been mentioned here before. basically "A synaesthete may, for example, hear colors, see sounds, and taste tactile sensations. Although this may happen in a person who has autism, it is by no means exclusive to autists. Synaesthesia is a common effect of some hallucinogenic drugs such as LSD or mescaline." and "Synaesthesia can even occur when one of the senses no longer functions properly, e.g., a person who can see colours when words are spoken can still see the colours if he becomes blind in later life." so what does all this mean? that tho our brain seperates these signals and we categorize them as different senses it's all in nature the same thing. so our "sensory discrimination" so to speak, or the seperate perception of these signals, is illusory. simply a figment of our imagination based on the wiring of the brain, similar to how someone may see gnomes following them due to some abnormal neurological wiring or maybe brain damage, or if your really tripping. as stated, this wiring can be changed, or the change experienced on hallucinogenic drugs. the true nature of our reality could be completely different from what we percieve.

to expand on the nature of our reality and what we percieve, think of light and what's visual to us and whats not. infrared, ultraviolet, etc, these frequencies of light aren't visible to the eye. but the spectrum of light we percieve as colors are. there's frequencies that operate outside of our perceptive capabilities. in order to percieve these we create instruments to compensate, to allow us to see the other portions of this bandwidth. another is visible scale, for instance atoms, molecules, chemicles, single celled organisms and the like. thinking of sound your limited once again to a certain frequency, dog whistles for instance operate mainly on a frequency outside of our audiable perception, but in that of a dogs. many animals have been attributed with sensory perception that exceeds ours, giving them a unique perception somewhat alien to our own.

- so in brief summary: the body is in contact with the environment. the body recieves information about it's environment through various senses. these senses are limited to a certain frequency range. they relay sensory information along nerves to the brain. through the wiring of the brain and nervous system, these signals are routed to various areas of the brain correlating to their origins. these are all subsequently processed and then all contribute their own portion to the combined reality that we are consciously aware of and presented with.

this is a lot like plato's allegory of the cave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato'...ory_of_the_cave) you can think of the chains forcing our perception to the wall as the wiring of the body and brain forcing our perception of our environment as we see it. amazing thoughts tho, esp for being written so long ago.

now the environment we're in contact with and experiencing with our body is made up of matter and the forces that act on it, the four fundamental forces (electromagnetism, gravity, strong and weak nuclear). matter is made up of the atom, which is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. as wikipedia puts it "Matter is the material substance that occupies space, has mass, and is composed predominantly of atoms consisting of protons, neutrons, and electrons, that constitutes the observable universe, and that is interconvertible with energy." as you can see they say interconvertible with energy. matter is then simply a dense, contained form of energy. light, or the photon, then being an example of a less contained and less dense form. under string theory, the primary particles which make up matter are simply strings of energy vibrating at certain frequencies. what frequency they vibrate then determines what particle they are. if this is true, then everything is energy, simply manifested in many different forms, constantly in a state of transfer, of change, acting on eachother and interacting.

wave-particle duality, heard this a few times by now im sure, this pretty much states that particles, that which compose matter, can be observed in 2 forms. waves and particles, due to the intent of the observer. if your intent is to find the location of the particle, you observe it as a particle and locate it. but if you wish to find the speed of the particle it then interferes as a wave does, and you can't determine it's location. so you can have one or the other, speed or location, not both. this is then reflected in the "probability cloud" model of the atom, and how the electron has a probability to appear within a certain distance of the nucleus. further from the nucleus, the lower the probability. when it drops below a 90% probability of an electron appearing in that location the size of the atom is determined.

according to wikipedia once again (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave) "A wave is a disturbance that propagates, carrying energy. Apart from electromagnetic radiation, and probably gravitational radiation, which can travel through vacuum, waves exist in a medium..." for those that dont know, light is electromagnetic radiation. this has for a long time posed a question to physicists, why can light go through a vacuum, which is apparently complete nothing. if light is a wave, then it requires a medium, so basically wtf? for a while they thought of ether which had difficulty being implemented, now it's vacuum energy. "Vacuum energy is an underlying background energy that exists in space even when devoid of matter." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy) zero point energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy)is another concept of this vacuum energy. superstring theory has branes, higher dimensional objects and open strings then have their ends rooted so to speak within these branes. so the strings of our universe would be rooted to our universes brane. when 2 branes collide, they spark a big bang, or so it is hypothesized, or something like that. this theory of universes beginning can be seen in brief summary here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1270726.stm for those so inclined.

- in my own brief summary: the environment is made up of matter and the forces that act upon matter. matter demonstrates wave and particle properties. without a fix on location it demonstrates wave properties and propagates through the background, vacuum energy (perhaps a brane, who knows), at X speed. once the location of these energy disturbances is known, or perceived by us, it displays particle properties. it has a percieved, set, solid point location as a particle, which can crash into eachother, based on the intent of the observer. "particles when your looking, waves when your not" type thing. so from one perspective, on one level, the universe is void of all solid substance. it consists of disturbance propagations throughout this background medium, zero point or vacuum energy, the canvus. much like waves moving throughout the ocean, liquid, abstract. on the level of our perception, the universe seems solid, instead of interference its defined contact, collision. seemingly seperated. even tho it'd be fun, if i run against the wall i dont propagate through it. isnt that a grump.

haha silly, this is the infamous vibes! in laymens you are in the process of creating a copy of yourself so you can "pop" out of your body into the real time zone.

next time it happens, just go with the flow and you will find yourself floating around your room.

But from certain comments Frank has made (ie being able to overcome gravity and levitate being possible), it also seems as though he's suggesting we can alter the 'rules' on an individual basis if we overcome the mental constructs we have developed as to what can or cannot be.

You mean, basically, "The Matrix"?  It has to be a bit more complicated than that though or else people on lsd would fly.

actually taking lsd forces your awareness into F2. so if you were to lay down and close your eyes you could create a mental rundown that would be a helluva lot of fun. that is why taking drugs is such a subjective thing- it takes place within your own F2. But as far as the physical F1 goes, lsd doesnt affect  the "rules" of the game a bit.

I can tell from the first part of your post that your on the right track- what you experienced is called "sleep paralysis" around here and its a good sign that you are doing things right. This time you were caught off guard. Next time this happens try to exit your body or start some mental rundown and im sure youll project or at least start to.

GL!

That is one big sentance. please use some periods and maybe i can decipher what you are saying.

Well ive never used crystals myself so i couldnt answer that- im just saying that everything comes at a price so while the short term may benefit from the crystals, there could be some unknown side effects that you would never expect. Just keep your eyes open is all

As for the b.s.- i simply mean any limiting or negative beliefs that you might have. I used negs as an example- il keep that going.

When you project into F2- and im assuming that this is where you have had most of your experiences- you are actually projecting within YOURSELF. So any negs you come across are actually seperations of consciousness that YOU created. Next time you project you can play around with this.

Just think about a monster or something. Soon enough, and i mean soon, you will be face to face with your creation. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS CREATION AND WHAT PEOPLE TYPICALLY CALL "negative entities". We naturally fear the unknown. This is why so many people who practice astral projection face so many "negs"- they dont know what they are doing! In an environment where THOUGHT = ACTION, of COURSE you are gonna come across some creepy sh*t! and i dont blame you, having to practice A.P. by oneself in todays scientific world would probably suck! Luckily we have the internet where you can learn about all the UNKNOWNS

Anyway thats just one example. Just dont limit your beliefs, keep in mind that YOU CANNOT BE HARMED in any way, and you should be fine

Well interesting but that's not how I understand phasing, from my understanding it is just a enlargement of consciousness, no exit is possible. Enlighten me if I am wrong!!

You dont exit your body even when you DO go to focus 3. He is just explaning it in laymens terms if you will. The reason we say that is because you are never *IN* your body to begin with. I like to use the old "earth and sun" metaphor that i read. Way back in the day, people saw the sun coming up in the east and then setting in the west. naturally, they presumed that WE must be revolving around the sun. Now we know that its just an erroneus perspective. While it sure SEEMED like we were going around the sun, it was actually the other way around. Just like it SEEMS that our consciousness is "inside" our physical body. But those in the know are aware that our consciousness is actually more like a lens with which we are observing this physical reality. when you project, you are simply switching from being "physical-observer" to "mental-observer". that is, you change your perception from the physical to what we call our subconscious or imagination.

Heres a way to explain it even better. On a day to day basis we interact with 2 areas of consciousness. F1, the physical, and F2, the imagination/subconscious/yadda yadda. Imagine a tree in your minds eye. What you are doing is creating a mini-rundown of sorts within your F2. Normally, we are situated within the physical and its sort of like you are on the outside(F1, sitting in a chair reading my post) looking in(your tree in F2). When we phase all we do is change our awareness so we are actually observing F2. You are "there" so to speak.

How do you go from Focus 2 to Focus 3? And in Focus 2, is it so that you can like ask someone what the jackpot number for the 72 millions in the "Lottery Shop" is? And explore all places there is in our physical world?

To answer this you have to have a basic understanding of subtle subjective energy. There are many techniques that deal with changing your focus of awareness, you could try Franks "slot method", but i dont have a link on that one. And yes, theoretically it is possible to win the lottery, but like i said theres so much subjective energy that the chance of winning is probably BETTER if you just guess the numbers like everyone else; unless you know what your doing and i dont think any human has gotten that far. Its the same reason that you might try the "card trick" and see a different card than the one you started with. yes ive read about that chick who said she did it but 1) theres no proof and 2) if she DID win it was probably unbelievable luck.

for me, the basic flaws of people saying that one doesn't leave the body are the claims and validations of people in NDE state perceiving clouds coming out of a dying person's body, and the sudden weight loss of a dead body compared to the formerly living body.

Its all objectifications. NDEs are tricky because they play alot off the beliefs of the individual. A christian might see rays of light and angels flying around while a muslim might see different things. Remember the golden rule for the "astral" is THOUGHT = ACTION so if you have the slightest inkling that you might see rays of light or angels, you will. The reason for this is the environment for NDE experiences is probably very similar to the RTZ- if not the same thing. Its more subjective than our physical world so if THOUGHTS = ACTION or THOUGHTS = REALITY then you can see where it would lead.

Hope i cleared up some things for yall

The human mind is an extraordinary thing. If you can take an objective item like crystals and have it actually help your projection, go for it! But like Han said, we already have all the tools we need to develop this skill. Also, keep in mind that nothing is free, and this applies even to things like a.p. crystals. Watch out for tricky side effects.

voice of silence - You talk like 17 years of experience means something. Sure you can astral project, good for you, but that doesnt mean that you understand the mechanics any more than Han and Frank do. If anything, that amount of experience is a DISadvantage because of all the habits and "mind-rubbish" you come across- like negs. 17 years in the grand scope of things is nothing. Im guessing you were one of those people who either learned all of this on your own or became involved in something "occult". Once you can learn to let go of all the b.s. like han, frank, myself and others, you will have a much more rewarding experience.

Or dont, its up to you. Im not going to tell you how to do this kind of thing.

If one is phasing properly they feel no "exit" symptoms, correct?

Correct.

What are you doing when you lay down to phase? Are you doing the noticing exercise? Mental rundown?

what do you mean by OBE? phasing and the traditional OBE are 2 different experiances.

been here for 2 years and dont know about phasing?

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17413

more info is literally 2 or 3 clicks away.

Are you serious? lol...

Fz is the border between F2oC(your imagination, thought processes, etc.) and F3oC(The "common" area of consciousness"). basically, you phased. This state of consciousness is often used as a launch pad to explore F2-F4.

try a mental rundown. just build a scene in your imagination and participate in it. try to use as much sensory input as possible, ie taste, smell, touch.

sooner or later you will make the "switch" and be inside your rundown. then have fun!