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quote:is it not possible though to move out of the immediate area of the physical body where the cord range doesnt effect you as much so you can stay out for a wee bit longer?

Lysear

I never have seen my cord and don't want to. It is probably just another self limitation passed on. You will see what you believe.

WEIRDZLY!

Napoleon sounds like he needs William Buhlmans Sleep programming tape. The tape gets your subconcious to let go. The ways it helps are listed below.

1. As your falling asleep it reminds you of what your goals are and how it will go.

2. It breaks the chains of negative, self defeating, in the rut thinking that has been programmed by you and your environment.

3. It's also a form of hypnosis. As you are falling to sleep you become more susceptable to suggestions.

4. A refreshing break from brainwave and meditation.

The tape now available in cd form is available at http://www.out-of-body.com/      

I think you still have to buy it with the 4 tape set.  Still inexpensive compared to others.

WEIRDZLY!

Albert Taylor says he has been out for as long as 3 or so hours. Others like Jerry Gross claim their goal is to be out of body as soon as they go to sleep until they awake.

Mine are still short and infrequent. I'm almost always in a normal house like environment.

WEIRDZLY!

I'm sure everyone did the best that they could do at this time. Used every available method they were aware of.  I hope the best for the parents.

WEIRDZLY!

I think Jeff and Zarklon, that I will continue to do so called energy raising excercises a few times a week. This will hopefully extend the lengh of time that the experiences last.  So far my world record has been about 5 minutes.

WEIRDZLY!

1) did you feel your body or did you feel as if it wasnt there anymore

I felt diconnected from my body. If I tried to move it, it wouldn't move unless I woke it up, which would take a little time.

2) did you see wahts called the "void" or big blackness, maybea galaxy without stars kinda thing ..

No. I just saw what you usually see with your eyes closed until I was out, or Lucid.

3) Did you feel like your perception was changing .. maybe like you were being pulled in and out of your body ? *I got that last night doing breath awareness for hte first time .. what does that mean ? It felt like I was being zapped back and forth*

When I thought I was ready, I moved the body double with my awareness in it away from my physical body. If I was unable to move I would then know to stop because I would be  trying to move my physical body, which would end the experience. It could also mean I wasn't fully disconnected.

If you feel your awareness moving around, you are on the right track.  At least as an excercise.

4) And what other things did you feel ? I am the kinda person that doesnt really get vibrations .. althought I havent been conciously "out" yet .. I've only got them one time , in my classroom at school when I sorta fell asleep while listening to the teacher..

I don't often get the vibrations these days and I never have used them to get out.  I just feel strange. Disconnected. Unable to move. Mind awake, body asleep. It can be frightening if you let it, and it takes will power to even remember to try to ob. Sometimes the last thing I want to do is try an ob when I'm in the proper state. As time goes by the fear has faded and I take full advantage unless I'm too tired.    

I think I just construct the form of my body because that is the way I have been moving and experiencing since I have been in this world. I then open the eyes of my astral so called body and go. end
 
 


WEIRDZLY!

It looks like my links didn't work due to weird computers. Here is an example of the overwelming scientific evidence.  http://www.openmindsciences.com
Try the section on Afterlife Experiments on the left. Whether you like it or not, all scientic evidence proves something is going on. l

Your wasting your time trying to get a quick million from a less than honest man, in my opinion.  Iv'e seen him claim things like cold reading for example even when no questions were asked. When asked to perform an example of this cold reading method, he always declines.

He doesn't have a million dollars in and account, when investigated. What he has, is a promise from his sponsors. Yeah, right!

WEIRDZLY!

Hello Donna.

I don't want to get your hopes falsely up. I'm told this form of corral calcium will reverse MS over a period of 6 months or so.  Bob Barfoots formula.

The dose is 3 capsules a day available at   http://www.cureamerica.net/

WEIRDZLY!

One of my co- workers was not feeling well (high blood pressure) at work. He went to his doctor and followed his advice. The doctor had him on many different drugs. Finally he had the high blood pressure under control but he had constant diarea and depression among other side affects. He was on Anti depressants also.

I stumbled onto products from this company called Life Plus and have become somewhat familiar with what products are good for treating so called incurable diseases.

My co- worker at work didn't want to try the products because  insurance companies only pay for drugs. I didn't push the products on him.  Eventually he was missing weeks of  work and everyone thought his health had failed and that was it, he would lose everything.

He came to work and asked me to tell him what products to use. I told him to first try the heart formula and the colon formula. He quit taking all of the drugs he was on, also. The next day he was feeling way better and his blood pressure was normal. His health has since returned to normal.

He doen't like paying $75 dollars every 2 months but if  he stops using the products for over 3 days his blood pressure skyrockets.  

His doctor says I'm the man but he isn't interested in trying the products on any of his patients. If he starts prescribing  that sort of natural product he will lose his medical license, I am told.

             


WEIRDZLY!

This should clear things up http://www.victorzammit.com/skeptics/index.html.

One thing I notice is that there is 0 evidence That OBE'S and similiar phenomena do not exist.

Scientific evidence    http://www.openmindsciences.com/hbo-exp.htmt

The real question is. Why do people still believe in Randi?

WEIRDZLY!

Knowing what I have learned in the past 5 years or so. Doctors prescribe synthetic drugs" expecially anti depressants", as though they are as necessary as water. Often they do more harm than good.

1. If using drugs or alcohol for recreation, stop any way you are able. They will cause depression slowly, progressively over time. It may take 40 days or more to feel normal after you quit.

2. Make sure you are eating properly and if you are unable to eat properly take quality supplements.  It is very hard to get proper nutrition from your average available food.

3. Exercise moderately.

4. Make a daily attempt to systematically elliminate or move in the right direction  any problems or plans as you are able.

5. If all else fails try what  the doctor says.


WEIRDZLY!

I know nothing of IIPC but recently I have started the Gate Way 1 Cd's. I would say that another good source is William Buhlmans 4 Tape set, which has 5 different types of meditation and a powerfull affirmation (sleep programming tape).

Every one is different and what works for some may not work as well for others. After using Buhlmans  tapes once a day and going to sleep with the Afirmation tape along with "Astral trance" by Brain Wave Mind Voyages I was able to project, within a month.  

I would rather have someone sell me a product that works, than to ask for donations at my doorstep.  I don't think their will ever be much profit in Astral Projection. About twenty years ago a girl at my school showed me Monroes Out of Body book and I laughed it off. It sounded like a load of Huey to me.

WEIRDZLY!

Maybe you should download A Lawyers case for the afterlife available on this site. Look at the Ouija Board section, so you will know what signs to look for, and where these beings may come from.

Once I woke up and heard 2 voices talking, a womans voice and my own ending  a conversation.  It was as if they knew I was waking and didn't want me to hear.

WEIRDZLY!

The fact that nobody has been able to prove ANY paranormal abilities makes me very sceptical too about others claims. All of them have been proved to be tricks.
Considering this, isn't it normal to not believe? It's stupid to believe without a proof


http://www.openmindsciences.com/hbo-exp.htm

One persons proof is anothers denial.

Don't believe anything from the Randi Organization. I have seen many examples of their outright lies. Their is also a million dollar reward for anyone able to prove in the non existance of anything paranormal. No one has been able to collect the money for over 2 years.



WEIRDZLY!

Breathing through your mouth will probably not affect your ability to OOB if you are used to it. When your sinuses are clear it is a good idea to develop the habit of breathing through your nose.

I also have worse than normal allergies. Many years ago an allergist specialist told me that it is not healthy to be a (mouth breather). 1 causes tooth problems.  2 bi passes noses function as an airfilter. 3 If allergies persist tissue becomes inflamed and symptons tend to snowball.

If you have access, see an allergist specialist but try to stay off of drugs with side affects.  

when symptoms flare up I use 2000 mg. of MSM a nutritional form of sulfer. It is available in health stores and is non toxic (removes foreign protiens from your body). I also use antihystamines ( suppresse hystamines in your body from reacting to foreign substance), available over the counter. A seemingly non adictive antihystamine is Chlorpheniramine Maleate.

WEIRDZLY!

You are probabley not fully dis-engaged from the physical. When this happens to me, I relax for a few seconds and then try again. If you still feel resistance stop and wait a few more seconds. You will eventually get out or end up back in the physical.

WEIRDZLY!

Gateway Gateway Gateway. In the past Iv'e used other similiar guided meditations like William Buhlmans 4 tape set (very good), Transcendance by Hemi Sync and Mind voyage Astral Trance (good for loosening up from the body). They kept me motivated and I eventually had a few oob's. Some woman on another site recommended Wave 3 to me but Hemi sync refused to sell it to me until I went through the other Waves.

So after reading these posts I became curious and recently ordered Gateway 1 1-6. So far I like them,  will be able to stick to a once a day meditation. They are worth the money, having 6 different meditations on 3 cd's for $99.00.

If you patiently use them like Frank and don't expect them to magically project you instantaneously, you won't go wrong.

WEIRDZLY!

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think it's so important to let yourself "suspend disbelief".

when I think of how much time I've wasted over the years trying to be cynical and "realistic" about my OBEs...

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I don't see anything wrong with doing experiments to find out if you are creating the experience or observing. First I want to gain control over the experience, instead of not knowing the difference between fantasy and real time oob's.  I will then have more confidence that what I am seeing is real and not just self created.



WEIRDZLY!

I've now down loaded Treaties on Astral Projection: by Robert Bruce. I have one of his books already but I like the way Treaties on Astral Projection is laid out. You can step by step make a projection attempt right away. I probably just have to practice once a day until it happens. Thanks for the input from the both of you.

WEIRDZLY!