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#26
She will be on the coast to coast radio program all night on Thursday night.  The rules are no personal readings so she will just have to make predictions about every thing else.  Which is good.  

I saw bits of today's show as I usually flip channels when she starts getting the boyfriend and job or dead relatives questions from the audience.  I am really not interested in someone else's love life.  Nor do I care about the celebrities all that much.

And her North Korea prediction is probably a safe bet.  Their mad dictator will like just nuke the DMZ or try to lob one over to Alaska or San Francisco.  If successful, it is safe to say, no more North Korea the day after.  One day, five or six nukes in return and then we can just send in food aid.  

Anyway, George Noory is a pretty good interviewer if I can manage to stay awake most of the night.  

And I certainly hope we are out of Iraq long before 8 years.  I hope we just declare victory after they have their series of 3 elections to set up their own government - and leave - and leave them to determine their own destiny.
#27
Welcome to Metaphysics! / OAZAKI WRONG
December 27, 2004, 09:52:25
No, I actually didn't believe him.  I will admit to enjoying tweaking his nose on a few occassions and hearing him rant at me as to how dare I question his motives and authenticity and powers.

Mostly, I was concerned that he was, and is, becoming cult-like and leading some lost little lambs astray, away from having to deal with this reality instead of waiting for the end of it.  

All reality ends every day.  And a new one begins everyday.  Events happen and things change.   I do believe there is a broader reality that we are only beginning to become aware of, and also I beleive in the idea of parallel realities tho I am not sure if I have ever experienced one.  I sometimes think I have changed realities a few times.  I don't think I am on the same time line I started out in.  Don't know why I feel that, it just seems to be different.  

I think there are people who can look into a probably future and see probable events.   And it does seem to me that there are certain events that we are all destined to experience and respond to.  How much those events can be changed or modified is anyone's best guess.

Well, do have a happy new year everyone and I hope 2005 is a more peaceful and less disturbing one than the past few years seem to have been.
#28
Welcome to Metaphysics! / OAZAKI WRONG
December 26, 2004, 19:23:01
Seems to me that more than a few people pointed this out when he was actively posting long, long dissertations on his powers and his predictions and his order and the fate of the world.

And were berated for even questioning his all powerful arrogance.

If he even returns, it will be with more predictions of some sort and he will say something about how he saved us all from the chaos and it is all just delayed or somehow he changed it all with his massive powers.

And life will go on....... :D
#29
Welcome to Metaphysics! / Bush Prophecy
December 15, 2004, 23:16:03
At least they were free to speak their minds and didn't get shot for doing so.  That doesn't happen everywhere.  

So typically American, hanging out the dirty linen for all to see.  

Ain't it grand! :P
#30
Welcome to News and Media! / SEX
December 15, 2004, 23:12:09
I personally don't care if someone wants to do it with a dead goat or standing on their heads or whatever.

I just object to people feeling free to do it in public and forcing the rest of us to see it whether we want to or not.  Hand holding is one thing but humping each other in public places is disgusting and shows absolutely no respect or regard for anyone else who happens to be around.  

Do whatever you want, however you want, and with whomever you want, just keep in it in private.  

The only sex laws I do support are the ones that protect those under 18 even if they are so hormone damaged that they don't realize they need protecting from some of the sexual predators that are out there, both male and female and some of them their own age.
#31
Welcome to Metaphysics! / Bush Prophecy
December 01, 2004, 00:47:43
BeserkExodus,  don't go beserk and don't do an exodus.  You are the very generation I was speaking of.  

Yes, you are in the thick of teenage angst which does pass.  But life always has its angst filled moments tho most of the time it is never as intense as when you are a teenager.  

So find and seek out the others of your age group that are really self aware and seeking that indefinable something.  You have a lot more choices than a 9 to 5 boring job.  Just enjoy being 15 for now and think about that later.  Figure out who you are before trying to figure out what it is that you want to do for a living.  More importantly, before you figure out what to do with your life outside of working.  

I agree TV is dulling and filled with propaganda and all sorts of people telling us what we are supposed to think about something.   And I watch it just like everyone else.  The trick is not to let it influence you before you have your own thoughts about something.  Use it as a tool for information and viewpoints, nothing more.  

The future is not as grim as many of the commentators would have us all beleive.  

And also consider that Presidents come and go.  That is the wisdom of our system.  No one gets to be President for a lifetime.  And there are always wars going on somewhere.  

I don't think Bush will invade Iran unless Iran does something really outrageous.  Most likely he and the all too gullible Europeans will just let the Israeli's who are the most threatened by Iran to blow up their nuclear installations - the ones they say don't exist and are just to generate electricity.  

And madhatter, Nostrodamus prophecies haven't exactly been 100%.  As cryptic as they are and so open to interpretation, you can make them fit almost any similiar scenarios from his lifetime to the present.  

Whatever will happen in Bush's second term and the Middle East would probably have happened anyway.  Kerry would have had to deal with the same issues and events.  

I do hope he lives out his term in spite of the predictions of disaster for him and the county.   Like him or not, a death in office is never a good thing or an easy transition.

In any case, you will find your place in this culture and join the rest of your generation in making it your own.
#32
Welcome to Metaphysics! / Bush Prophecy
November 30, 2004, 21:38:07
Hi, everyone.  The problem with revolutions is that they often start out with the highest idealism but quickly degenerate into chaos and corrupting power struggles or get co-opted by a dictatorship who claims to just wanting to restore order, but never quite leaves once order is restored.

We need evolution far more than revolution.  Evolution of thought as well as spirit.  And I think that inner evolution if going on in our species and the conflicts within are being reflected in the conflicts in the physical world as well as the violence in our storm patterns.  

What is the point of having revolution if it is the same old "us" that is there after it is over?  

There is much in the our society, government, businesses and lifestyles that is truly vile.  Some of it is relatively harmless.  But some of it has had terrible effects on our character and our families.  

I work with teenagers.  I am both stunned by how good so many of them are and also appalled at some of the others.  This generation doesn't seem to have too many in-between kids.  It is like watching them split into two camps - those who will be wonderful adults and those who we will all cross the street to avoid.  Not too many fence sitters in this new generation.  The school I am in is a microcosim of the city I am in - truly reflective of the broader population.  

On the plus side, the ignorant-and-vile-and-proud-of-it segment of this young group is relatively small compared to the whole group.  But they are nasty and hateful towards just about everyone and those in the larger group.  The only thing that seems to confuse them is when the kids in the larger, more self-aware group reaches out to them without criticism or anger.  

And that larger group - what a great bunch they are.  They will change the world as they appear to me to be much more self-aware and conscious of the world than previous generations. They may not have aquired all the knowledge they need yet, but there is a search for wisdom I have never seen before.   They don't seem to be so interested in the typical, superficial teenage stuff.  They are intense and seem to have an inner hunger for something that is undefinable.

This is the generation to watch as they grow into adulthood.  Unlike my own generation of baby-boomers, this group doesn't make a lot of noise about their idealism or search for a better value system.  My generation had the idealism but not the follow-thru.  This generation is more subtle but also more determined to create a better future than what they see around them.  

So, hold off on the revolution.  Given the chance, I believe this is the generation that will evolve this country into a value system that represents the best in all of us.  It has crossed my mind that these are the first of the Indigo children that I am seeing turning 17 and 18.  If that is so, about 20 years from now when they begin to move into positions of power and influence, the American and the world's scenario will change for the better.  

I am so proud to be their teacher and this is the generation I have waited my whole career to teach.  Their lives have touched mine in such a deep way that it makes me a far better teacher than I have been in a long, long time.  

And for those of you who have teenagers, please do nurture that intense search for something deeper and better.  Oddly enough, it isn't really about money.  Oh, sure, they are as materialistic as any bunch of teenagers and like all the things they can buy, but they seem to realize that things are only stuff and have no meaning.    They seem to be breaking away from the idea that their things somehow define them.  
Pretty unusual at so tender an age.  

They have given me back my hope for the future.  :D
#33
Welcome to Metaphysics! / Bush Prophecy
November 25, 2004, 20:04:02
Adam, Still our choice as to what we will buy into and make into a self-fulfilling prophecy.  

Seems right now there is a lot of speculation that the next world war will have China invading the USA via Alaska, Canada and Mexico.  Basis for it is just about nothing.  In its 5000 year long continuous history, China has usually been invaded rather than invading other countries.  

Of course that can change, but historically, there is great resistance to that kind of thing amongst the Chinese people.  

Lets not create a WWIII out of fear and anxiety and expectations of one.  That does seem to be the trend.  So many assume that whatever prophecies they are believing are unchangeable and cannot be altered or mitigated.  Not so.  

Most of us are not in positions of power to direct world events.  However, we can control our responses to them, and collectively, create new paths for those events to follow.  

Of course, there will be wars and rumors of wars.  When haven't there been?  It is part of the human condition.  So are natural disasters, diseases, and just plain bad luck.  

I had hoped that after the year 2000, the frantic end of the world from whatever and whomever, would lessen.  But it seems I will have to wait until 2013 for that sun to come up and shed some light on all the worrisome prophecies we hear.  If they were all true, we would be wise just to put our heads into the oven and breathe deeply as they are so awful, who would want to survive them?  

Some things are true, and it doesn't take a prophet or a genius to predict them.  The USA cannot keep spending itself into multi-trillion dollar debts and prosper so economic hard times seem likely in the near future.

Other things are that there will be natural disasters because there have always been natural disasters.  It is what nature does from time to time.  

We have some real problems in our world.  One can take them to the extreme and come up with some pretty horrendous predictions as to where they will lead.  Or one can imagine some solutions to lessen those problems, if not entirely solve them.  

But I think that what we beleive will happen is how we create what actually does.  

Perhaps all the turmoil in our world right now is simply a reflection of the inner turmoil of humanity - some desperately trying to hang on to the past and others desperately trying to find a better future.
#34
So, Glacius, are you willing to give up your car and walk?  Use a horse and buggy?  Never get on a plane?  Give up all plastics and petroleum based products in your life?

Probably not.  Until some inventor, and likely one of those garage after work guys, invents synthetic oil or an oil substitute, we are stuck with what we have got.

Too bad the country didn't start working on alternatives two decades ago, but it is not too late to start now and put massive amounts of funding and people resources into it.  

As for raping the Middle East, the rulers in most of the oil rich countries have just about cornered the market on that one.  We have actually paid for the oil we use.  That the average person in those countries see only a little of the millions of dollars we spend in them each year is not our decision, but the ones who manage to control it there.  

There are a few countries like Kuwait where the money has been spread around and the people live as well as anyone anywhere.  But that is the exception in that part of the world.
#35
Well, QS, at least you are finally doing something for your own future and doing an on-line school.  

Maybe next year, you might actually sign up for a real college and start enjoying all that life has to offer.  It is a good thing.   :D
#36
On the exit pollster -- horse's mouth.  I asked the kid who tried to poll me who he was, who was paying him, and what qualifications he had that made him a professional pollster.  

Responses:  My name is .........and I am an exit poller.
 
I get paid $200 for the day by one of the networks.  He wouldn't tell me which one.  Don't know why.  

and:  None, I just go to school.

That is who we have conducting the exit polling.  They just walk up to anyone who looks semi-approachable to question.  

Hardly good polling strategy.  And, that is why they don't make any sense and have caused problems in two elections.  Gone are the days when professionals did the polling - this method is probably cheaper.
#37
I don't beleive much that the media tells us.  As for the exit polls, done by biased news stations who pay college kids a few hundred dollars to do them have shown they have no validity.  These are not professional pollsters who make sure there is a true cross section of the voters leaving the polling place.

Perhaps if they were done by an independent polling organization of professionals, they might have some merit.  But as of now, they are not valid.

Besides, when I was approached by one, I told him I wrote my own name in as I was a better candidate than any of the three listed.  I am sure others may have said things like Donald Duck and Jerry Springer.  They can ask, but I am not obligated to tell them nor is anyone else.

So what was the question?
#38
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Rainbow Bridge Symbolism
November 13, 2004, 18:48:46
Theosophy teaches that it is the bridge that connects us to the higher realms and the one where we dissipate our bodies and exist entirely in the materialized astral body.  

Very complicated and difficult to understand reading and my understanding of it may be wrong.  But it is an interesting point of view.  

Since I do believe we are all, as a planet and a species, becoming more astral, perhaps we are collectively working on that bridge, even if on a subconscious level.  

Calling in the colors of the rainbow within your highest chakra is also said to be a calming and enlightening experience as well as a cleansing one - sort of a path to wholeness.  

We are all wounded beings, and focusing on the colors of the rainbow has soothed some of my spiritual wounds.  Not entirely as I have yet to master the techniques.
#39
The only real answer is national election reforms that make some sense - re-register all citizens and make everyone prove citizenship for starters.

No day of the election registrations, no driver's liscense registrations, someone to verify that the address is not a vacant lot or Walgreens or some other business, all absentee ballots to be in two weeks before the election, military and diplomatic corps voting by secure military computers and sent to each person's state.  Any citizen living and working in a foreign country having the right to vote in a USA embassy if more convenient than mail ballots.  

And last, but not least, voting on a Saturday or Sunday with the polls open for 15 hours -- opening and closing at the same time nationwide.  

I would also like to see a ban on exit polls.  I don't care who does them but this is the second election where they have caused all sorts of problems and rumors.  They can't be trusted and only some members of the media think they have any value.

I would even like to see them get rid of those stupid debates.  Just give every candidate two hours of TV time to say:  Here's what I would do as President - here's my policies - here is who I am.  Maybe give them a few times to speak to the nation.

Then we vote 30 days later.  Certainly would be a lot cheaper and they wouldn't have to become campaign money whores just to run for office.

I agree we need to be able to trust our voting process.  We really do need both campaign reforms and election reforms.  Write your senator and congressmen.  If enough people do, one or two of them might actually listen.
#40
Even the most radical, leftist talking heads and the New York Times say there is no evidence of it.  Been all over the news for days now.

Not even Kerry's buffalo herd of lawyers think so.....and as we know, lawyers never turn away from an opportunity to bill those $300 to $500 hourly fees for this kind of work.  

Give it up.  The election is over.  As Michael Moore says:  Move On.

If those of us on the right could stand 8 years of Bubba Clinton, then those of you on the left can stand a few more years of Bush.
#41
Whoa, QS -- no evidence...absolutely none, that Bush stole the election.  Dan Rather who would have loved to report that, even admits there is no sign of it.  Kerry isn't even hinting at it.  

Besides, under the surface, those two are more alike than anyone wanted to recognize.  

And no one is waiting outside of your house to take you to some prison camp and torture you.  And you can't possibly be afraid some woman soldier is going to put undies on your head and point and laugh at you privates.  I have no doubt that all of the people who have been beheaded this year would gladly trade places with those Iraqi prisoners - who walked out of there with their heads attached.

Get a grip.  Not that terrible things can't happen here.  A watchful vigilence is in order to prevent concentration camps and dictatorship of any kind here.  That has always been true throughout our history.  

And so what if somebody wants to say we are a nation ruled by God?  OK, fine...just nod and go on living your life as usual.  You won't get rounded up in the middle of the night for not going to church or whatever.

Have you noticed people in your neighborhood disappearing?  Have you been threatened with arrest?  Has anyone tried to take away your computer?  No.  

So, maybe, just maybe, you are believing things that are not necessarily true and are being a bit too paranoid.

And birdman -- unconditional love does not involve hate and I have no idea what you were talking about.  

Bush is smart, Bush is dumb....
Think I'll stay home and suck my thumb!

F.Scott Fitzgerald said:  The rich are different from you and me.  And they surely are.   The same is true of people in power, be it corporate, political, or religious.  It changes them.  For some it brings out the best in them and for others the worst.  Most just muddle along doing whatever it takes to stay in power.  Hence, the wisdom of the 2 presidential terms only tradition and now law.  

They all have to be watched.  The press is supposed to do that.  But the press is too obsessed with scandals and sexual adventures to actually focus on investigating real issues.  

So be watchful, yes.  But don't be so overly fearful that you don't go out of the house and enjoy life.  You are much too young for that.
#42
Adam & Quiet Storm,  aren't you two of the people who claim George Bush is dumb as a bag of rocks?  

So how could he possibly be smart enough to manipulate the whole country into Nazi-ism?  

And sophistication means nothing in the face of a population that is, and always has been, a rather disobedient and troublesome bunch - and a well-armed bunch at that.  

So let the wankers as you call them try.....doesn't mean they will succeed.   :D
#43
The USA and England did not decide to put the Jews into Palestine after WWII.  They decided to put themselves there as their traditional homeland.  The Brits did everything they could to keep the Jewish refugees from flooding into what was then called Palestine.  

Jewish leaders then petitioned the UN for a statehood and got it. Palestine was divided into Jordon and Israel.  Israel did not require that Muslims leave.  Many did and became the Palestinian refugees - the same refugees that the rest of the Arab world refused to take in ever since.   Some contries did take them in as laborers, but rarely have they been allowed citizenship in those other Arabian countries.  Just visitor workers, even tho many of them have been visitor workers for 50 years.  

As for the oil thing -- where is it?  We don't have it as my last visit to the gas pump proved.  We do not have to invade any country to get oil.  We just have to be willing to buy it at whatever they decide to charge.  So the oil argument doesn't hold up.

As for the media giving us a rosy picture of things in Iraq, where is that?  Not here.  We rarely hear about the schools being built, the hospitals being rebuilt, the utitilities being rebuilt after decades of neglect, or the food, medicine, and other goods being distributed.  

The Kurds in northern Iraq seem quite happy running their own affairs and things are peaceful there as in other places.  

Yes, it is open season on any Westerner in parts of Iraq.  Every terrorist in the area is or wants to be there.  Some of the beheadings were done by Jordanians, not Iraqi's.  

And nay is right in saying there has been bloodshed in that part of the world for hundreds of years.  The Shites and the Sunnis started going at it right after Mohammed's death and have rarely stopped since.  

Most Iraqi's, like most people anywhere, want peace and prosperity.  If they would make peace with each other, they can very likely have it.  Whether they have a democracy or not is difficult to say as it is a part of the world where that is considered a new idea, and perhaps not an entirely right one.  Freedom is a scary proposition.  It is a whole lot easier to be told what to do and think than to actually decide it for yourself.  It is also a messy business as everybody gets to express their thoughts and opinions and to vote.  

I think part of the problem was over-expectation that everything would be wonderful overnight.  It takes time to set up a new government and write a constitution.  Thus far, no Iraqi Thomas Jefferson has arisen - because Saddam killed anyone who might actually have that talent and ability.  He tolerated no one who questioned his authority.  

But someone will, eventually, put together a new Iraqi government that is acceptable to most of the people there.  

Perhaps the solution is a 3 independent state Commonwealth of Kurds, Sunni and Shite states.   In any case, it would be a real shame if the Iraqi nation descended into Civil War and any form of totalitarian dictatorship because of outside terrorists and inside tyrants who do not want the people to have any freedoms or choices.

More importantly, I think the one thing we didn't hear in this election was a vision for the future of the USA.  No one actually asked us, the citizens, if we wanted to be a super-power or the world's 911 for everything.

I would guess if it was actually put to us as a referendum, most of us would say NO.....we do not want to be that.  

I did have not heard anyone in our government address the issue of where are we going and what kind of nation do we want to become in the future.  We lack a vision.  We lack a direction.  In some ways we lack a frontier and an American without a frontier or the idea of one seems not quite whole.  

We are a part of the world's community.  But in many ways, I beleive we have neglected our own country of communities - paid too much attention to the world beyond our borders and not enough to what we are creating within them.  It is not really that we have lost our way in the world, it is that we seem to be at a crossroads and must create a new vision - a new path for the future.  

As a group of citizens, I would say that most of us do not want to become the rulers of the world.   Because of the fall of the Soviet Union, we have become the only superpower almost by default.  No one expected that change to happen so fast.  It was almost a surprise when it did.  

And we are still saying Now what?  George Washington said beware of foreign entanglements.  That kind of thing dominated the past century and we must ask ourselves is that what we want for the next one?  Most of us would say no.  None of us want any more Americans dying in foreign wars.  After a almost a century of that, I would say we have had enough.  

The problem is how do we get anyone in the government, or anyone who wants to run for President to even discuss the issue?  

The media focuses on scandals and dirty laundry from decades ago.  The political parties focus on hate, half-truths, outright lies, and manipulating the public with all sorts of fears.  The corporations focus on being lobbyists and influencing Congress to get what they want without a thought to the public good.  And "We the people", feels so overwhelmed and distrustful of what we see and hear, that we don't demand better treatement from any of them.  We don't even expect it anymore.  

I kept waiting for either one of the candidates to talk about  the long-term good of the country - and no one did.  They live in a four year framework while the rest of us live in a life-time framework.  

Presidents come and go, but this country needs to have a new direction, a new vision of itself and its responsibilities to its own citizens as well as its place and role in the world.  I would vote for any candidate who begins to talk about that next time.  

Do you think there is a chance of it?????

Sorry for the rant, but I get so frustrated with the candidates and the Congress.
#44
Good Grief...America of 2004 is not Germany of 1930.  

Bush isn't Hitler.  If he were, he would have shut down the internet on day one of his presidency.

The country isn't festering over a lost war from over a decade ago.

Half the population isn't unemployed.  It is actually only about 5 or 6 percent.

There aren't food riots in the streets.

The constitution hasn't been declared null and void nor is it likely to be.

And most of all, the public is more vigilant than the Germans of the time who were looking for a savior to save them from their misery.  Hitler told them what they wanted to hear.  He was a master manipulator and knew his just what his audience would be receptive to.

The world may change, and no doubt, there will be some terrible events in the coming years....but that is true in every time.  Hard times come and hard times go just as do good times.  

None of which means the USA is about to become a Nazi country.  Only if we allow it to become that.  

The future is yet to be...ever changing with our individual and collective choices and how we choose to respond to events is as important as the events themselves.  The trick is to choose wisely and not to believe every hairbrained theory put forth by people with questionable motives and agendas.
#45
Dear Atalanta....no one if "forcing" you to be American in your culture or your values or your lifestyle.  That is your choice.

You could always give up seeing American movies and listening to American music.  And anything else that you consider somehow influencing you.  

That said, your country has a unique culture and environment.  The future of it can be whatever you, collectively, want it to be.  

If it has become too Americanized, just treasure your local culture and create a future that isn't.  

Sort of take the best and leave the rest.
#46
Welcome to Metaphysics! / End of the world ???
October 25, 2004, 21:27:24
and if it is going to happen, just what can any of us do to stop it?  Nothing.

Tomorrow is just an anticipation - none of us have a guarantee on it, anyway.  

So live live today, and do not fret over when the world will end or change or when humans become extinct or almost extinct.....there will probably be no rhyme or reason why one person survives and 100 do not.  At least not any reason that we are likely to understand.

But our fascination with disaster scenarios is becoming extreme.  Maybe we, collectively, think we deserve it.  Maybe we look around at all the suffering elsewhere in the world, and feel guilty because we are not living lives of abject poverty and semi-starvation.  

Change is the order of the universe and certainly of our world.  Things will change in thousands of ways.  Yet, oddly, I think that until most of  humankind truly evolves, it will stay the same as generation after generation experiences the same events - just the details will change.  

I also think that the more people that focus on some terrible thing happening to humanity and our planet, the more likely it will become manifest in this reality.  

In essence, terrible things happen in every time.  Also some wonderful things.  Change, even serious ones or dramatic ones, do not mean the end of all life, only a change in the lives we live and how we live them.  

Enjoy the peace of the day.
#47
Wish I could be there.  Sounds like fun.   :)
#48
Yes, I know civilians got killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.  But no evidence shows thousands and thousands of them.

But who is doing  killing them now?  Terrorists, at least half of whom do not seem to be Iraqis but have come over the borders to blow up anything and anyone they feel like.  

They are not going to let the Iraqi people alone - they can't.  That is not on their agenda.  

The biggest difference between the USA and the terrorists operating there now is that we actually want to leave.  The terrorists don't.  

Sooner or later the foreign troops, including us, will leave both countries.  Who knows what they will develop for themselves in five years.  It could be wonderful for them or they might go right back to the Taliban or a clone of Saddam Hussein.  

I want the troops safely home as much as anyone, but there seems to be a contigency there that will fight and kill others no matter what does or doesn't happen.  Because they love the killing more than they love their own lives.  

The USA could pack up and leave next week and these people would still be blowing up Iraqi's.  No doubt, they would find some excuse.  But they wouldn't stop.  

People are right to say we haven't learned some of the lessons of VietNam yet.  One of the biggest lessons is what happened in Vietnam and Cambodia after the USA suddenly left - yes, in defeat, but suddenly and quickly.  Millions were slaughtered.  I certainly would not want a repeat of that scenario in Iraq or Afghanistan.  

It is hard to fight an idea and the idea that needs fighting is a temperment of terrorism that may take decades to lessen.  

How do you end it?  I have no idea.  Who do you negotiate with?  Who do you talk to?  How do you fight people who are willing to kill themselves just to kill you or someone like you?  

I am sure that most of the people in Iraq and Afghanistan want some kind of peace and a normal life.  And they deserve it, and they deserve it now.  The sooner, the better.  But how do you help them make that happen?
#49
Welcome to Metaphysics! / End of the world ???
October 22, 2004, 18:39:24
Maybe the Mayans just ran out of room on their big, rock, circular calendar... :lol:

The earth is always changing..and yes, our modern world is abusing it an polluting it.  However, it does have remarkable self-cleansing processes.

Actually, the air from the coal burning factories and trains of the 1850's-1950's was much worse than it is today.  And the waters were filthier.  In the 60's everyone said Lake Erie was a dying lake.  It has been cleaned up and is making a comeback.  

The more serious problem is the soil eroding and spreading desert areas along with the tropical rain forests being burned and/or cut down.  The irony is that the soil under those rain forests isn't even all that good for growing food or grazing food animals.   And once the forest is gone, the soil soon follows.

Real problem is just too many of us in too many places.  If we, collectively, don't control our growth rates, and even reduce the population of humanity,  then Nature may find a way to do it for us.....the natural world always moves from extremes to balances.   The only things that outnumber us are the insects, bacteria and viruses.  So where does that leave us?  We are their food, and sometimes they make us sick and die.  

So which would you prefer?  The comet striking the planet scenario, nuclear winter from a nuclear war, or pandemics spread by insects?  I think all 3 have been made into popular movies so we could scare ourselves to death.  

Somehow, we Americans have gotten fixated on the end of the world and I just say:  Cheer Up!  It may never happen.  And if it does it will be our chance to finally get away from it all and see if we like the afterlife.  :wink:
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Conspiracies here.  And conspiracies there.  And conspiracies everywhere!

If you believe in a conspiracy, you can always find evidence and make it fit.  

As I have often said, you cannot, on one hand, say someone is dumb as a brick -- and then on the other hand, say they are so smart as to think up these conspiracies and carry them off.

Every government, everywhere has contigency plans as to who to lock up depending on who they think is attacking.  The internet probably makes it even easier to identify people somebody sees as a threat or a subversive.  It is what governments do.  You are right to suspect it.

I am sure every Russian in the country would have been locked up in the late 50's/early 60's if the Soviet Union had decided to attack us.  And the Soviets would have locked up every American or anyone with American relatives.

Next war, same thing.  Personal freedoms are the first casualty of any war in any time.  

Also, you can't demand better intelligence on groups or countries that might attack us and not want to have something like the CIA or the FBI or any number of other agencies that we have little, if any, awareness of.
Spying is a secrecy business and it has its ugly side - a real ugly side.  

Are they out to get "You"???? only "you" can know that. :wink: