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Mr. Coffee, Wow! You've given me a lot to ponder.  How long did it take you to be able to love the bad entities?  Did you have any "revelations" along the way that helped you to achieve this?  Once when I was in the vibrational state, I was just hanging out praying, when suddenly a big "poof" of love hit me.  It lasted about 10 seconds.  It was so powerful and sudden and just "melted" me.  Is this what people mean by PUL?  (Pure unconditional love energy)  Iv'e heard of people giving it to other beings --bad and good.

Thanks for the great advice.  I love to hear about how OOBEs have led to spiritual growth in peoples' lives. That's what I'm after.  I believe we're all here to become more loving and compassionate beings.

The feelings and what you get out of them is purely unique I feel.  Based on your background and beliefs it will highly influence your OBE's.  I did have a revelation that did make me change my views on fear and it was backed up by one of my OBE's where I transformed fear into pure bliss which showed me two things, #1.  I'm the only one I need to fear in the non-physical, and #2.  Surround yourself by positive things and people as love spreads like a virus just like hate/fear.

My background has conditioned me to be highly adaptive and loving (dealing with chronic pain 24/7 and the wheelchair which isn't bad at all once you get use to it).   I discovered in my mid twenties to not allow negative thoughts or feelings stay in my mind for too long.  I simply observe them as they pass me by almost like wind blowing through your hair.  You can sense the feeling but you don't let it bother you or distract you from your current mindset.  Also external stimulus like pain can be transformed into pleasure, this works great if you have chronic pain.  I did this by realizing if I was born into pain then I wouldn't know any difference.  Its only because I was use to living without pain for so long that I feel pain is a bad thing.  Any type of stress in your life can be avoided by realizing you survived today and are still in one piece.  Once you have something devastating happening to you, you realize how lucky we are to be alive and you don't worry about the small things in life anymore (or this is how I handled it anyways). 


Fear though for me was different feeling than hate or sadness.  I have a very big imagination and I feel my mind is naturally drawn to darkness.  My favorite form of art is dark in nature and its very easy to picture very dark/disturbing images very clearly.  I also enjoy creating my own art which is usually dark in nature. I don't feel this is a bad thing but I'll let it get the best of me sometimes and I'll freak myself out to the point where I can feel things touching me although they really aren't.  My imagination can get so wild that it can make me have a physical response to it such as feeling something is literally touching my skin when in fact it isn't. 

My turning point where I realized I had nothing to fear but myself was during a psychedelic experience.  I immersed myself in darkness and felt warm and welcomed.  I had nothing to fear I realized, the only reason I feared darkness in the first place was because I had a preconceived idea that darkness was bad.  As soon as you toss that out the window you realize darkness can be just as enjoyable as light. 

I then put this idea into action.  The next time I went into the "quiet spot" where its ideal to project into the non-physical I had a dark entity come towards me, immediately it felt like it was choking me.  At first I was startled as this usually never happened but then I realized it was me who was choking myself.  I was holding my breathe when it came near me which in turn cut off my source of oxygen which I blamed on the entity.  Once I realized this I began to breath normal again and Immediately the choking sensation went away.  I then realized this dark entity wasn't bad at all.  I was my own enemy.  As soon as I welcomed the entity completely it transformed from a bad feeling into an amazing high frequency vibration that felt warm and loving.  From then on out I still feel the fear for a few seconds when in the "quiet zone" but then I instantly turn it into love again, sometimes it starts out as love now which never occurred until after I had this revelation. 

I also haven't been able to have an OBE with meditating although I never studied any meditation techniques.  I've found the more I think about relaxing or having an OBE the more likely it won't occur.

  I simply clear my mind and tell myself a few times, relax, and just sink into the bed.  Then after that thought I just let my mind do its thing.  If it thinks of something I just accept it and move on.  Usually if I just go with the flow I'll soon feel a "quiet zone" which I know to stay alert and be ready to accept anything that happens as a good emotion. 

Usually i'll have a feeling of someone close to me and I will feel a high rushing sensation before it feels like its very close to me.   As soon as I welcome the entity and love its presence it transforms into pure happiness and I feel a super high frequency above my chest. 

Although I may have a natural resistance to external influence as I've had chronic pain so it forces you to realize any external stimulus you receive you can transform that stimulus into any emotion or nothing at all.

TL;DR: Don't over think having an OBE or it may not occur or you won't fall asleep due to the anticipation. 

Sounds like wonderful experiences.  I also had these experiences when I was very young up until right now in my late 20's.  Although I was always too afraid to let myself continue to float, I would simply start screaming and wake myself up.  If I felt a bad entity near me I would fear it greatly which fed it to become more powerful.  It wasn't until I realized fear is nothing but your own limitations of acceptance.   My first OBE was thanks to the entities that use to scare me, now when they come by they are instantly transformed into pure bliss and vibrational energy. So never be afraid to comfort or do anything in the non-physical as your limitations will come up and influence everything around you.  If you attack these "bad entities" in a negative matter it won't fix anything.  You must embrace them with love which completely transforms their relationship with you. 

The experiment you're trying you should increase the size of everything to increase success (or so I heard).  Make it simply as well, like a big number or letter.   But I wouldn't get to caught up on trying to validate the 2nd energy level you were experiencing.  Usually in the 2nd energy level everything looks like a replicated copy of the physical although there will be distortions.   The real spiritual grow experiences can be found in much higher frequency energy levels.  You can visit these areas by requesting firmly and believing in all your soul your request will be granted. 

You can say "I go inward" or "my energy frequency increases" or you can ask something like "Show me my true self", "Give me the healing energy of the universe", etc. If you see something that looks physical or from this reality ask to see its energy source and see what happens.  From my recent experiences you may feel a intense rushing feeling or maybe even a feeling of being sucked into something.  Once you open your eyes make sure you ask for clarity or ask to "adapt to the environment" if you feel uncomfortable. 

Some books I've been reading have mentioned to ask big questions and see what happens.  Everyone will have different experiences of course but its always fun to try!

Also the whole talk of energy levels, frequencies, etc could all be false, its simply a deduction from what i've read and made valid from personal experiences.  But the fact I read the theories first before trying to OBE means they could highly influence my experiences and method of travel in the non-physical.

I wouldn't doubt it some people were actually caught doing the horizontal bop and then blamed the guy/gal diving out of the hut window as a spirit that was there to violate him or her to get off easy.
Never realizing that their little tale would plague generations to come.

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Its strange, before when I was into lucid dreaming I would always try my hardest but sex would pop up.  I didn't feel guilty about doing it as I knew I was conjuring up something of my imagination.  But after my first OBE I can never see myself wanting to conjure up someone to have sex with in the astral.  Sex seems to human.  If I was sharing energy with another energy source in the astral, I would not think of it as sex at all but something much greater and meaningful. 

I actually don't believe in past lives either as it makes it seem like once this life is over, you don't go into the non-physical but perhaps your soul just gets rewritten and reused.  I would like to believe that once we die our consciousness is then free from our temporary bodies and can travel to higher energy dimensions just as we do in the physical when we project. 

I've never had had any past life experiences as I haven't had the interest to ask yet but I've read books of several others who also mentioned one of their lives were part of a war.  The guy projecting said he was looking out of the eyes of a young man on top of a tank.   He did mentioned he did have an interest in war history so that might have been the reason.  But it is interesting you also had a war related experience. 

Try asking about your past lives when your in the astral you may be surprised what you find

How would you ever meet another physical exploring the non-physical?  I would assume you would both have to be thinking about a particular location and all the details would have to be almost identical or you could be projected into a very similar environment but not the exact environment your partner is thinking about. 

Nice explanation Chopstickfox!

I soon found out my lack of intent was the only limiting factor in the non-physical.  This also is the case in the physical world when you think about it.  You can say something and not mean it at all but when every part of your existence wants something to happen, especially in the non-physical, it will. 

I also noticed in the non-physical certain tasks were easily achieved without much thought into it or intent such as flying, creating objects in the same vibrational energy level as you are in, etc.  But I found traveling from 1 energy dimension to another requires much more intent to actually make it occur. 

For example, I asked to be taken to the main source of all energy and as soon as I made that request I had fear and doubt in my mind so of course when I opened my eyes I was floating in the same spot as If I didn't make a request at all.  Although I can easily teleport within the same energy frequency that my non-physical body is experiencing.  Several OBE gurus have also came to this same conclusion.  For example one person mentioned when he enters a higher frequency energy environment than his own non-physical energy body he would be blinded by the surroundings or feel a crushing sensation but if he clearly makes the request (intent) to adapt or accept this energy he can explore again without any issues.

When I hear people mention anything about destroying, fighting, or doing something non-loving in these environments to overcome a fear I feel is the worst thing they could do and something very human in nature to perform which isn't ideal in these non-physical environments.

In conclusion, I don't believe we have a limited amount of energy in the non-physical, the energy is limitless and beyond our comprehension.  Thought/Intent is energy, emotions are energy, everything is energy! You can even measure love/fear in the physical world.  Love has a high frequency and fear has a low frequency.  The only thing to fear in the non-energy is yourself.

The best way I get unstuck is once the vibrations come I encourage the vibrations to intensify by mentally getting super excited about feeling the vibrations and asking for more.  My lower body is always completely non-physical while my upper body is always stuck.  When I get in this position I'll simply request to be removed from my current location to a new location and I usually feel an intense rush and when I open my eyes I'm in a non-physical environment. 

Whatever you do, don't focus on your body at all.  If you feel the vibrations on your chest don't think of your chest.  You can think of the vibrations but if you do encourage them to grow in size and mentally feel yourself being immersed by the light or even becoming the light.  But don't think about the location or your body at all as if this occurs I usually just wake up after a few minutes of trying to get out. 

I totally agree with the people above who mentioned you are your morse enemy.  Anything you experience bad in the non-physical plane is a result of your own fears and limitations.  If you push love on anything it will immediately dimension. 

What has caused this feeling of someone stealing your energy? Has it always been like this or something recent?  What do you do when you're in the non-physical? 

Thanks breh!   Sure do, I was always a person who enjoyed lifting weights and staying physically in shape before breaking my neck in college, plus the ladies love it

Also lastnight I went to bed and had another "quiet zone" moment where the vibrations were the most intense I've experienced but I got to excited and I couldn't get out of my body.   Its always only my upper half that is stuck, my lower half was swinging around back and forth almost like someone was trying to pull me out with my legs from the non-physical.  It was awesome feeling.  Next time I'm asking for them or whatever it is to help pull me out by my legs which are already in the non-physical.

When the vibrations are at its highest and I can feel my upper body is the one stuck in my physical should I try to reach out with my hands?  I'm always afraid to do this because as a child when this would occur if I tried to move anything I felt stuck it was actually my physical arm I was trying to move which would make things go bad real fast.

Peace!

I stopped smoking it daily because of how it destroys any attempt of projecting.   I also can't recall any dreams if I smoke at all during the day.  As soon as I stopped smoking for 3 days I had my first complete OBE and the next night I went into the vibration state and almost had another OBE but got too excited to escape my body. 

So I have to pick between my love of weed or my love of OBE's sadly .  Its such a creative substance and will be missed!

The whole day I felt out of it, but I wasn't sure why.  When I came back from
work I fired up the hookah, music, and continued to read my book on outer body
experiences.  I was at an exciting chapter which was going over how to exit
your body once you're at the vibrational state.  This state is usually where I
get stuck although I always feel my lower body instantly floating above my
physical body.   Its my upper body which seems to be the most difficult to get
into my astral body.  I come across a technique where once you are in the
vibrational state you can simply make a direct request.    I stop reading here
and got ready for the gym.

Once I'm dressed and ready to go I feel the urge to take a small 20 minute
nap.  I also thought this would be great chance to see if I can get into the
vibrational state  again and try this new technique to get out of my physical
body and actualy have a successful projection.

I laid on my bed, super relaxed, and very comfortable which is usually not the
case.  As I lay there I don't try to think to hard about OBEs. I just attempt
to clear my mind and let my  body completely relax.  I soon fell asleep but
luckily I set my alarm for 20 minutes.  The first alarm goes off and I wake up
not realizing I feel asleep at all but I still didn't feel refreshed so I  put
it on snooze and 5 minutes later it goes off again.  This time I set the alarm
for 45 minutes. I immediately go back into my relaxed state but this time my
mind was thinking about something and without  me realizing I find myself
talking to my Swiss roommate.  She is telling me how I shouldn't be spending
all my money the way I do and I'm telling her, who is she to tell me how I
should live my life while my other roommate isn't saying a word as we exchange
viewpoints on life.  I soon wake up from this dream and I find myself back in
my bed, relieved it was just a dream.  Ain't no one got time for that.

As I'm laying in bed waiting to fall back asleep I immediately feel the "quiet
state" where I usually feel a dark presence approaching me or already touching
me.  I read in the book if you feel anything at all in the quiet state you
should welcome and encourage it.  This is exactly what I did and it turned
this fear into an amazing high frequency energy ball above my chest (where I
usually feel it) and I feel my lower body already out in its non-physical
form.  I'm super excited although I'm still having issues getting my upper
body out into my non-physical.  I soon recall reading that I can simply direct
my intention to leave this room completely.  I struggle for what seems less
than 30 seconds and then I told myself I want to get out of this room and go
somewhere else.  The strange part was I didn't think of where I want to go but
I instantly found myself floating in a large stone room.  The ceilings were
very high and darkish gray in color although I could see them clearly as if
they weren't that far at all.  I also noticed there was a light peach boarder
running across the upper part of the stone ceiling which had some black
looking egyptian hieroglyphics inside although I didn't pay much attention to
the details as I was so excited that I was floating and completely aware of my
surroundings.  The whole room felt peaceful and safe.   I soon asked for
clarity as I felt my vision getting a little blurry and instantly my vision
was super charged.  I could see every little detail in my hands and everything
looked more beautiful than I've ever experienced in the physical world.

I then tested out flying around for a while, zooming deep down as this room
had no floors.  When I wanted to go downward, I just requested mentally to fly
down.  I felt a feeling of going inward at a very fast velocity.  I then flew
directly upwards to my original position.  I would almost call it teleporting
more than flying.

I then wondered what I should do next.  I was so excited as the possibilities
were limitless.  I read about another traveler explaining all the complexities
of  energy systems in the non-physical so I closed my eyes and asked to see
the inner source of everything. For some reason I had doubt in my mind and was
somewhat scared of what I may discover.  Was I ready for such a vision?  The
traveler said he took years before he discovered the vast energy systems of
our existence.  I opened my eyes and I was still in the same location.  I then
thought about going to saturn so I asked to go to saturn but again, nothing
happened.

After I woke up I knew exactly what I did wrong. I had doubt and I really
didn't put much intent behind my request.  I simply said what I wanted but I
really didn't put all my energy into my request.  I thought about flying which
seemed easy so I thought transporting to a different non-physical plane would
also be this simple.  I now know that if I really want something every part of
me has to believe and know it will happen.

I then attempted something simpler.  I wanted to have a floor so I thought of
creating my own.   I imagined a pretty cobble stone floor with an archway and
before my eyes the cobble stone floor and archway evolved. The archway was
full of green moss and vines which was pleasant to look at but I knew my time
was limited so I didn't spend much time looking at my creation.   I was still
floating so I didn't walk on the floor but as I watched the floor come alive
something caught my eye, a chest! Before I even told myself I wanted to go to
that chest I was instantly in front of it. I started to loose focus and I
again requested clarity  which gave me extraordinary vision once again.

I wanted to look at what was inside the chest but as soon as I was about to
open it I felt my physical body calling me, almost like a small tug.  I
attempted to rub my hands together which I thought would groud my experience
and keep me from returning to my physical body but instead I was snapped back
into my body.  I felt super energized and alive!  I laid in bed for a few
minutes glowing with happiness and recalling my experience.  As soon as I was
done, I jumped in my wheelchair and told my roommate about my experience.  I
sounded like a small child who just had a very magical moment.   After this
experience I still feel different, almost like I've evolved as a person.
This single experience has super charged my desire to continue to discover the
unknown.

Hi! I'm sherry and I gotta tell y'all something VERY cool!!! I have started talking to paralysis patients that most other nurses say are unresponsive- "vegetables" - I have always talked to my patients even if I dont know if they understand - I've thoroughly discussed astral projection with about 20 "unresponsive" quadraplegic patients- two imparticularly SHOWED great signs of interest! A I can say is their eyes lit up at the idea- and I could tell they were willing to try anything to enjoy some sort of experience besides laying in a bed with their extremities all contracted, diapered, not able to achieve any voluntary movement at all. I even felt comfortable enough to discuss astral sex with this one 24 y/o guy who's left eyebrow raised when the subject arose - I KNOW without a doubt he has has some "luck"!!! I always have him blink his eyes twice for "yes" n once for "no" - I went in there the other night and he was justa fluttering his eyes at me as if to say "yes, yes, yes" his cheeks were red as he tried the only way he could to express his experience to me! I KNOW this has changed his life- in report everyone keeps saying he's havi g a lot more facial expression- but is "sleeping an awful lot" I think it's great if these PTs can exp life in the astral! 

This is wonderful.  You have given these people something to look forward too.  Its probably the greatest gift anyone has given.  When I was in the spinal cord injury unit for 8 months I met several people like this and they are not vegetables, they are physically trapped in their prison of a body which is the worst feeling, time is non-existant, you just exist everyday, waiting for a time when it will all be over. 

Wow...

It actually makes sense based upon my own experience and research as to what the vibrations are. If you are truly paralysed as in no communication with your neurones... then you won't feel vibrations below that point. The vibrations are actually staccato-like electrical impulses caused by the depolarisation of striated muscle nerves/neurones... like a one way information line going from your muscle to your brain... not the other way around.

check out the info on this post...

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/sleep_paralysis_the_whats_whys_and_wherefores-t38734.0.html

Very cool experience.

I would love to hear what happens when you are fully out and walking around. It may even help in some way.. I have a sneaky suspicion about rehabilitating muscles using AP. I have a friend who's back was broke while doing a stunt on one of the Harry Potter movies. He had nerve reattachment surgery. I opened up some dialogue with him about OOBEs but never broached the subject about using it to rehabilitate him.

I'll check that link out! Although I'm very familiar with SPs it was just my fear I had to get over and now I can use it to help me phase so I'm excited about that.  Its strange when I encountered the SP feeling where there was a bad force near me, as soon as I recognized its presence I immediately embraced the fear and turned it into joy and it almost got disolved in this vibrating and it also seemed to increase the high frequency vibrations on my chest/upper body.  Perhaps this is because I was able to focus my full attention on it rather than another thought.

I'm not a "complete" spinal cord injury (their spinal cord is completely servered), I'm an incomplete (brain can still get some signals pass the scare tissue although sometimes scrambled or weak) I still have feeling below my level injury (although temperature is totally different) and I can also move my right leg although super weak due to the nerve damage but an interesting park is I'm able to activate a muscle spasim on my left leg by focussing a lot of thought on moving that leg and sending that urgency down to the target.  It works every time but takes a lot of mental energy visualization.

Another weird energy feeling was when I initially broke my neck.  Before I could move anything below my chest I would lay in bed and visually create a ball of energy/light and send it down my body with direction of what I want to move.  My lower back would get extremely hot to the touch and mentally it was exhausting after awhile.  I did mental exercise for a few hours a night for 3 months and then I was able to move my right toe.  Then slowly parts of my right leg woke up.  An odd part was as soon as my brain made the connection with my toe I no longer could create such immense light power which I don't understand the connection clearly.

Although I'm not looking for obes to help rehabilitate myself it will be interesting to record any side effects which I'll do as I'm keeping a journal.  I've actually yet to have a dream when I'm actually in a wheelchair, although I have been on crutches in dreams but then always seem to throw them aside.  Its strange how hard in a dream it is for me to instantly notice I'm not in a wheelchair or else that would be the perfect reality check to always become aware in a dream state.

My theory on why my lower body was already floating above my physical body might be because they are so relaxed all the time.  For example, if I don't actively try to move my right leg, it constantly feels like its in a super relaxed state.  My upper body however is always making muscle twitches even if I'm trying to relax until I actively tell my upper body to relax is when I can feel a drop in tension.

What you were experiencing was the real deal. We almost all ruin our first successes with either panic or excitement. Take comfort in knowing that it should get easier to phase now. But remember that there aren't very many of us who can phase every time we try, myself included, even after years of experience. How long have you been attempting?

It's wonderful that you were able to feel the vibrations in your upper body. I hope you have a comfortable pair of running shoes because you'll be using the heck out of them in the NPR. That or flying. Keep us posted on your experiences as I believe your experiences will be  particularly inspirational to many of us.

It was super exciting and I'm glad it happened.  Sadly when I was younger my fear kept me from phasing at a very young age.  I recall floating multiple times but I would never allow myself to embrace the feeling I would always fight it and break free when I would hear a drill noise or when I felt myself very high from my physical body. 

This was the first time I actually had the vibrations touch me and have it feel amazing.  When I was younger it was always a loud noise followed by a strong fear which fueled the feelings of things wanting to do harm near me.  They also would sometimes move my body around and now when I think back on it, it wasn't my real physical body they were moving it was my non physical. 

I haven't been on a strict schedule for trying to do them yet so this was a nice surprise.  I've been reading a book for the past 3 weeks on the subject which I feel has really got my mind interested in obe's which in turn I heard helps you experience them.  I highly recommend it: Adventures Beyond the Body: How to Experience Out-of-Body Travel by William Buhlman.  Its a series of his journal entries, what he feels is the map of non-physical dimensions, how quantum physics supports some of these ideas, etc.  Weither he is right or wrong on the subject it really helps get your mind focused on the topic even when your not actively thinking about it.   

Although a few weeks ago I also had perhaps a "3d darkness" experience.  I didn't have any vibrations at all but I did my Obe interest in my mind before going to bed.  I just had a feeling that I should "roll" out of my body.  I never roll out of my bed so I was aware I was making this decision as I thought it maybe the right time to do it for an OBE.  I then had the feeling that I'm going to fall off my bed which seemed to take forever to hit the ground which didn't hurt at all but almost like a second thought.

I then could see the outline of my room and I knew it was my room and for some reason I had a strong urge to go into my living room.  I moved very slowly and wasn't shocked by this slow motion feeling because I recall having a feeling like this in the past.  I felt the wall for the light switch and the wall felt completely normal, as I dragged my hand across the wall I soon found the light switch.   I turned the light and nothing happened which made me have a dark thought which I soon tossed away as I had a feeling it wasn't a good idea.   I also didn't realize I wasn't in the wheelchair as usual when I'm out of body.  I then saw a light outside and once I opened the door I woke up.  If I would have just asked for clarity I feel I could have turned that one around.  Oh well, until next time! 

Hi everyone,

7 years ago I was in a car wreck and which broke my neck which resulted in me being was paralyzed from the chest down.  Since then I've been able to get my right leg to move on demand almost like normal but very weak and also some of my trunk control back.

Before I started to get into astral projection I was into lucid dreaming due to my childhood experiences with sleep paralysis and having fearful things come near me and interact with my body.  Since then I realized I shouldn't be afraid of these feelings but embrace them which leads me to this weird experience:

Yesterday I was laying in the morning and not realizing it I awoke finding my lower body feeling as if it was floating above my body but only HALF my body was floating, which was the paralyzed half from the chest down.  It felt like there was a string attached to my ankles and was pulling me upward but I was grounded by my upper body which was feeling this amazing high frequency vibration which felt amazing. 

I tried to focus on the vibrations and make it encompass my whole body but I got to excited and attempted to roll out which led to complete darkness.  This wasn't 3d darkness though, it was just dark and I couldn't mold the environment with my mind so I may have woke myself up from getting too excited from the feelings of vibrations. 

The most interesting part of the experience was the fact my paralyzed part of my body was instantly in "astral body" without even having to try.

Thanks everyone for the info!  After posting this I realize how silly it was to classify the experiences as something different.  They are all special and I enjoy them immensely. 

Thanks for the replies and I'll check out that music as well! 

Awesome I had no idea that was the case.  I only did it a few times before I knew about OBE's and you're right, I actually told myself to end the journey as my friend who also can visualize music a little was sitting besides me and I wanted to tell him about the crazy experience I just had.  I had goose bumps all over me. 


Wow I just listened to a little bit of Perpetuum Mobile and what an amazing visual.  Flowers blooming, amazing landscapes, rock formations with moss all over them.  If your friend has any more recommendations I would love to hear them.  Thanks!

I really enjoy this!  i'm going to try this tonight

Does anyone know where I can purchase the e book? The original link is now linked to some girls blog and after googling I still can't find it.

Thanks!

Hi everyone,

I've just recently started studying OBE's and reading peoples experiences and it reminds me of lucid dreaming.  After studying lucid dreams it seems like people are mixing and matching their experiences with OBE's/Lucid dreaming.  Some even say you can go into a OBE from a lucid dream.  Now this makes me wonder are you really having an OBE or a lucid dream?

To ground yourself in a lucid dream you rub your hands together, tell yourself to see clearly if its not clear, you can fly, float, etc.  In a lucid dream you can also conjure up helpers, go to different planes of reality, whatever you think will happen, just like they say in OBE's.

So how do you know your in an OBE and not a lucid dream?  The one difference I do see though is some say when they roll out of their bodies they are in their rooms seeing themselves laying there.  But from a short read it seems like this is just the starting point of your journey just like a lucid dream, you start somewhere interesting or uninteresting and then you can literally plant a seed and close your eyes and imagine a place you want to go and when you open your eyes your there. 

Thanks so much for the post!  I do have a question though when I'm getting immersed in these visuals do I just enter the musical scene and ignore everything else if I start noticing vibrations occurring? I recall actually getting so immersed in the visuals that I can place myself into the musical landscape and interact with the new reality created for me. This isn't OBE I don't believe as once the music stops so does the world.  Or perhaps could I transition from this musical world into an OBE just like people go form a Lucid dream into an OBE?

Hi everyone,

I was curious if you had any recommend sound tracks to listen to when trying to have an OBE.  I've had lots of SP experiences in the past so I know what feeling I'm looking for but I just need help triggering it more often.  For some reason I could always get weird sensations that things are near me, breathing on me, even getting physical with me (pushing me down on my bed/moving my body into a different position) but as soon as I mentally told myself that these things can't hurt me and its just in my head it all stopped so I'm trying to get it back after I discovered this is a nice starting point to get an OBE.

I've been reading and lots of people mention to visualize something when you are relaxing to help you ignore the vibrations/sounds, does anyone have any recommended sound tracks to listen too to help you get to the vibration stage?  Also what should you be trying to visualize?  I also have synesthesia which I think I can use as an advantage as any music I hear it will naturally create an image in my head without me having to actively think about anything, so its almost like a music video that is created on the fly by the music itself and I'm just observing what it creates.

Can I simply just let the music draw the picture for me or am I suppose to be actually mentally trying to visualize a location or doing something physical?  The images produced by sound are usually abstract in nature such as orbs/vectors/colors unless I actively try to transform them into something  non-abstract. 


Thanks!

Hi there, can you link to where I can download the sound track you speak of and also you mentioned you were visualizing a house, can you explain when you start your visualizations?