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    "It's an interesting idea as far as ideas go, but that's all it seems to be."

    "All modern science generally refutes this..." 


  I'm sorry, Mr Jingo,

        But it greatly amazed me that you would so easily dismiss the theory of a hollow earth because modern science disallows its existence! This is a website dedicated to discourse on such matters as astral projection, phasing, and even ceremonial magick.

                                                                Joe.

  I just discovered this technique called reverse blinking, I found it on dreamviews.com. You keep your eyes closed and then occasionally open them and close them quickly like "reverse blinking!" then after doing this for 15 minutes or so you should hopefully slip into a hypnogogic state.

   This technique was developed for wake induced lucid dreaming apparently, by a person named Sythix, i think that i will check out the rest of this website.   


     Please tell me how you fare.     Joe.

it would be useful to find out exactly what they are doing to induce these responses. When this has been done, we can work on reproducing the effects ourselves without aids.

  Last night, I was in the middle of a projection, just exiting my body, tried to get away from body then slipped back in.

  A couple of factors might have contributed, all or one of them .

     (1) I was laying on my side.
     (2) I had taken a strong pain killer before hand.
     (3) Noise from above my room
     (4) Did I open my eyes prematurely?


    I have a gut feeling that it was the painkiller that did the damage. What was interesting though, was the sensation afterwards. I was having trouble sleeping, but as i lay on my back trying to sleep, I felt like I wanted to float out, like I was expanding outward, but that I needed to be in trance before i could exit, either that or more spiritually developed than I am currently. I believe that if I am more spiritually developed in the coming years, I will be able to separate myself at will, without trance. Thats my aim at least.

Perhaps it is just our Sentience and our essential self that project, leaving behind the etheric/life body and physical/mineral body. The physical body and etheric body, while products of heredity to an extent, are not, I believe, just products of heredity. The Spiritual being that you are, between death and re-birth, has to prepare the next incarnation (with a little help!) and one way this is done is by preparing these bodies according to our plans and our karma. This serves to highlight the idea that the lower members are manifestations of a higher spiritual truth/impulse, and therefore to some degree a part of us is staying behind while we project. The etheric and physical bodies are so much a part of us, that I think it would be hard for someone/thing else to wiggle its way in, and also I think  it would be difficult to loose the connection permanently.


                            Joe.

I would like to perhaps suggest to the moderators, that this subject is spiraling into personal attacks.

Yes the eyes!

   Thats what turned my nearly projections into projections, I find this very significant that so many people report success from the same element.

 
  Its been a few weeks, but last night I got my reward for sleepless nights and patience, 3 or 4 concious projections.

     What was interesting is that I managed to use the alarm clock technique, woke up at 5, went to the loo, and then got back into bed, started staring into eyelids, then lost conciousness, then I felt reasonably strong vibes, although nothing like I used to . I actually had a bit of a struggle getting out, I couldnt get out to begin with, then I did, but I felt like I needed to get away from my body so I went out the window. Walked around the outside of my house. I think I was closer to the rtz to begin with, as i didnt have any weird visions of stars or anything like I had done before. Eventually I decided I wanted to speak to higher beings and began to activley look for them, but I think I created some characters here, nothing I spoke to seemed particularly real, mostly figments of my imagination. I came back, worried about forgetting the experience if it went on too long. I came into my body, kind of made myself, for a change.
   
    My next projection was directly afterwards, felt vibes a little the came outside body. I went to my desk and I arranged  spoons on my desk so I would see them in the morning when I woke up! I was trying to prove it to myself but I didnt realize that it would physically exist the next day! then it kind of descended into dreamstate. This is the case with the other one or two as well.

    What did I learn from this? That the alarm clock technique works. Also, I'm pretty sure that I didnt enter trance at all, just exited. I need more disclipline, need to maintain my fully concious mind at all times, and develop specific tasks to perform. I need to learn how to reach the higher planes, akashic records etc.

         Thanks for listening.       Joe.

sounds like an obe to me. You have stumbled upon the technique that I have been most successful with. It relies often on the  chance that you wake up in trance, or wake yourself up. After that, The exit sounds pretty much the same as mine goes. I have discovered that I can speed up the exit by "opening my eyes" by which I mean performing the same action as opening your physical eyes, but while you are projecting.

1. I am not sure, I think I have. I have looked up at the sky during a projection and seen visions, Stars and the likes. I saw a huge star over my village, and when I say huge, I mean like a giant paper star. This fits in with my villages belief in the angel of providence protecting us. I have prayed a number of times while projecting. I feel like I am so grateful for the experience, and when I pray during projections I get a real nice feeling from it, kind of satisfaction. I think this counts in some way as communication with higher beings.

2. Not even looked into it.

3.zip.

4. I saw a burning, infested skull on a revolving platform once, While some being kept repeating the words death and war. That was pretty intense.But that was likely just a descent into nightmare. I hope.

8. Most amazing thing? The star in the sky probably. Although once I saw what I thought were fireworks. Next day i heard that there was a meteor shower during the night.

14. meet other beings and have meaninful conversations. That would be at the top of my list. I would like to visit the island, which I suppose goes hand in hand.

   The other night, I once again tried to exit through pure conciousness exercises. I imagined myself on the ceiling looking down upon my body, after perhaps ten minutes I began to feel pretty strong exit sensations, not vibrations but quite a dizzy feeling, and a feeling of expanding to the periphery of my physical body, I was pushing out and felt congested.

   I think if i was in trance at this stage I would have easily projected. Which brings me back to my number one problem. I cannot attain trance. Gosh and darn it, I really really need to attain trance. Further to this, I do not want to use artificial methods such as hemi-sync or mind altering chemical substances.


     Any suggestions for really simple techniques?

I had a breakthrough last night, prior to my projection.

I decided that instead of getting frustrated working on trance for 40 minutes and then giving up, I would just work with conciousness shifting exercises. I also kept these exercises laughably simple. Here is the result.

(1) I just laid in bed, imagining myself on the ceiling looking down. Now, I dont know about you guys, but i can only do this for a split second at a time before my awarness is back in the body. But, I kept doing it, every split second I would imagine myself on the ceiling looking down at my body. Everytime my awareness came back in, I would send it out again. After 10 minutes, the exit sensations were acute. I was really feeling quite light, floating. I got disturbed, and stopped.

(2) During the night I had multiple projections, 3 maybe 4. But the last 2 sank into dream. I was drifting in terms of conciousness. Kept saying "clarity now!" and clapping, but it only had minimal effect. I managed to explore more of my house this time though. Perhaps next time I will try to visit astral pulse island if I remember.

Now what I think is that (1) I am questioning the necesity of trance for myself. (2) Perhaps in some way, I losened my astrality, and it led to the further projections.



Joe.
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   The idea goes like this...

     In our planets first incarnation, it was a system consisting only of heat in varying degrees, (fire or warmth, the first of the 4 earthly elements.) This can be called Saturn. (not yet to be confused with our current saturn.

    Our second planetery incarnation added a second physical element, the air. This air was only the physical manifestation of another element added to our human make up, the etheric or life body. So at the same time as the planet was gaining these substances, mineral, and air, we gained our physical body, and our etheric body. This can be called the sun existence.

   On our third incarnation, humans gained the astral/emotional body. and thre physical relflection of this was, thats it you guessed it, water. So now, the physical earth had its first real density. Certain spiritual beings who worked upon humans could no longer tolerate the denseness of the watery element, and split off from this body, forming a seperate body, the new sun, consisting of only air and warmth. This gave them a better point from which to work down.

   Our fourth incarnation, the current earth, has now incorperated the higher ego into our constitution, giving us the ability to think for ourselves, and no longer just reflect the activities of the spiritual hierarchies. The physical element that came with this was, yep, thats it, the mineral/earth element. Further condensing us, and fettering us to this mineral existence. So much so that it is necesary for a reincarnation process in us, whereby we have to occasionally cast off our ungainly physical bodies and spend some quality time with the spirits of the cosmos.


    This is a very very very short glimpse of the evolution of our cosmic system and if you are interested, you should take it further. I only wrote it down to highlight some aspects of our sun. Should you consider now, that this sun is a physical manifestation of spiritual beings working down to help us, then you can make that further jump and assume that such phenomena as solar storms and ejecting plasma, warmth etc could be viewed with more interest in future, especially in regards to astral projection.






                                   Joe.

yeah, its a book that outlines the human being in its different levels, then goes on to talk of the past incarnations of the planet earth.

I aggree with awakened mind, the exit technique can induce vibrations. In fact, when robert bruce used to post on this forum, I remember him talking about his rope technique, he said he had gotten to the stage where he could just climb the rope and after a minute or so, begin to exit.

what? the bit about the solar storm or the spiritual scientific theories?

   I read about the storm on cnn.com.

   The theories are available, to some degree at least, in An Outline Of Esoteric Science, by Rudolph Steiner.

  Just finished reading about a solar storm heading our way tonight. I got to thinking how this would affect our projections.

    Spiritual science would suggest that the sun is a physical manifestation of a greater spiritual body. the sun is the manifestation of a certain group of angelic beings that work down upon humanity from a higher spiritual plane. And I think that the spirit of our age, Archangel Michael may also reside there.

   With this in mind, an abnormally large and unexpected solar storm, would perhaps have spiritual implications. The radiation from the flares (heat, which is a physical manifestation of the same spiritual substance as that which gives us our higher ego,) will have some kind of effect, definitely upon the physical world, in the form of damaging communications and radio signals etc. On a spiritual level, I wonder.


   Anybody who has any opinions, or abnormal experiences should report back here, and then we can see if there is any correlation.


                 Thanks, Joe.

I just kind of rely on my conciousness taking hold. I will try to enter trance conciously at night, then I will fall asleep for a moment. When I wake up I am in trance and then i take it from there.

  Wingless angel,

    For me at least, this was the first time it has been the case that I was still aware of my physical body whil projecting. It was just before I exited, while I was pushing out. I am sure for me that it wasnt fear. I am no longer afraid. For my first few attempts a couple of years ago I was very afraid, but now I just go for it. It was just a reflex action to get rid of excess saliva I think.

    I dont know how helpful this is, all I Can say to you is what you already know, I had to overcome my fear and be a brave, Michaelic. Just go for it and you may surprise yourself.

what is your technique for attaining trance kie? I would like to know, because this is where I have the most trouble. If I could do it in 15 minutes that would be pretty good.


                  Lysear

  Last night, I experienced a fully concious astral projection.
    This is my second in two weeks, both being the only ones I hav experienced for about a year. I have recently been really getting back into the whole thing again, posting on this forum and commiting to the exercises etc. This is how I did it, if anybody is interested.

     I woke up at about 11 o clock in a relaxed state. I had been trying to attain trance earlier on, and fell asleep. Now I brought on the vibrations, I say brought on, it wasn't too much work from this point, I just relaxed and felt them come on. I then made a very concious effort to force my conciousness out of my body, pushing up and out. I nearly lost the vibrations because I kept swallowing, I was still half aware! Eventually I began to searate, and once I was out, I used the key that I found two weeks ago, the key that has opened up the world of conscious projection for me,


     "I OPENED MY EYES!!"

  Yes, I am afraid that it really is that simple for me. Once I am vibrating at pushing out of my body, I have to perform that act of opening my eyes, which feels exactly the same as opening my physical eyes, but then I am already out.


   The experience.

      once I got out, I went over to my computer and checked the time. I physically pressed a button, so pretty early on I entered an astral construct of the real world, the alice in wonderland effect! Then I "switched on my light" and saw myself in bed, curled up in a different blanket than usual.

    next I went out of my window, and flew up into the sky. I had the oportunity to spy on somebody I am interested in, but rejected this. Instead I flew up and began to pray to Jesus! (I am not christian.) I was praying the lords prayer very fervently. I asked for his help in my endeavors, and I what looked like a little fireworks display!

  Then I called out to see if I had a guide, asked if they could show themselves, but nobody turned up. Then i wondered whether I should quite while I was ahead, but then carried on. It was then that it descended into a nightmare.


                   Hope this is interesting, it certainly was for me.

Anthroposophy defines the Etheric body as the body of life.

   It is the animating principle that is commmon in all kingdoms from Plant up to human (not in the mineral kingdom.)
  When the Etheric body separates from the physical, according the anthroposophy, the physical body will die.


   I think therefore, that my idea of an etheric body, and your idea of the etheric body are different. The etheric body however, does make it possible for human beings to have a certain type of conciousness. This body is the home of the memory. It is where a persons memory is imprinted. This is apparent when considering that when a human dies, the etheric body , (after a few days) separates, and the life panorama is visible, until the etheric body dissipates into the world ether.

  Perhaps then, in terms of the anthroposophical approach, the etheric travel you talk about, could have more in common with astral travel.


                                 what does everybody think of this?

I really dont know.

   I think I need to go back to astral projection 101. Really work hard on developing a program that suits me. I need to just kick my self up the bum and really try hard.

yeah, but thats not too successful with me.

   Yesterday however, I was experimenting, when I was relaxed, I started to imagine my leg raising, and I got some interesting sensations in my leg and a slight whoosing sound in my ear. I decided to go all old school and just imagine myself floating out of my body, really pushing out, an oldie but a goldie. Once again, if I had been in trance I would have easily gotten out i think.

                  Joe.

  I recently read a post which basically said how the person just let himself get caught up in an imaginary situation. He had a fantasy, and let his mind drift.

   I have recenty become frustrated with my inability to reach trance. I gave up, and just let my mind drift, and after 10 minutes began feeling early trance like symptoms. Then I tried exiting, and darnwell nearly did it. I think if i had managed to attain a deeper level of trance then I would have exited. I dont have any real problem with exiting, once I am in a trance state. I have proved this to myself in a few situations when I wake up and am already in trance, and then I can quickly exit.
 

   So what did I gain from this experience? I decided that until I found a surefire way to quickly attain trance, I will use the above method for my intentional projections. I will lie down at night or during the day when trying to nap. I will drift off until I feel sensations, then quickly take back hold of my conscious mind and take it from there. I guess I will keep you posted.

   In the meantime, I guess I will experiment with different methods of gaining trance. read up on the various approaches and try to work out the common elements from each one, and create my own.


                                             Lysear.