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wasnt Robert Monroe a skeptic at first?

i agree with Syke. With the advent of things like myspace which actually BOOSTS social interactivity... the net is becoming much less labelled as for those with "nothing better to do". For instance, I had a party on the weekend with age rages from 18-26.. it was an even mix of agee ranges that spent thier time drinking and listening to music, or looking up silly videos and pictures in thier drunken state.

I think this 'emo' culture could do with some spiritual guidance!.. would certainly be more open to it than most too.


back on topic.. "guys f0r teh \/\/in"


(yes im 24 and live with my girlfriend)

Yeh i was on about a total number... but no worries, good ol fashion poll will do!


hehe check out the results so far!... they are as i suspected! 

its quite funny you say that, i've only recently discovered the creative power meditation brings. It was by accident really. I seem to get some pretty cool visual ideas when trying to hit a state for an OBE. It all comes without any particular effort, its like my mind is just pondering over my last trail of thought. I guess its really just hypnogogic imagery.. but its pretty damn usefull none the less!.

I'm a Graphic Designer so being able to dodge past creative blocks is a gold mine find for me!

out of curiosity, what colours did you come out with? (i'm into feng shui so would be interesting to note if the colours are actually healthy in energy)

aw, why arnt my dreams as interesting as those!


most of my dreams are stupid boring everyday dreams.

i've always wondered whether girls or guys are more inclined to dive into a of spiritual quest. Alot of the people on the forums seem to be guys .. its hard to tell when you all have wierd usernames! lol. Is there a way a moderator can find out the results of this in the member list?

i woke up at about 6am this morning (again) with the usual wanting to go back to sleep but mind to active, this is getting more common now... which is good because it makes getting into the "trance state" (hate using that term) easier. Anyway, my body falls asleep quite swiftly and much easier... its better now than the first time when paralysis would kick it real fast which was rather uncomfortable. So i'm laying there and telling myself "right.. i know everywhere says i should meditate more n stuff before trying an OBE... screw them, im ready" lol. It was strange because it felt like i was on the edge of the bed about to fall off yet i could still feel myself in the same sleeping position. So i just went for it.. if i fell off the bed, then oh well atleast i tried lol. But i didn't and i just glided to a standing position.

Now when people say it feels real, they arn't freaking kidding. It was VERY clear and much like being awake at the time (tho upon remembering it, its hazy and dream-like) I walked around the room for a bit and looked at my bed to see my girlfriend asleep and, well i couldnt "see" me, it looked like i was kinda under the duvet.. i think this is where i slipped into a dream state or well known "Alice effect" because things got strange from then on. I decided to jump through the wall to check out our neighbours, i've always been curious what thier house is like lol, coz they've done alot of structural changes to it. First attempt i made i just stepped into blackness, so i stood there for a moment coz i was a bit confused at this and then tried again. I get into thier room and they are both asleep (with the light on for some reason).. nice bedroom, was all like.. oak wooden furniture (no clue if its really like that). I went downstairs and saw one of thier cats (tho not one i've seen before) who could see me, so i poke my finger out at her and she sniffed my finger lol. This is by now obviously a dream as i didnt have the vividness from when i started... tho somehow it didnt click with me when i went out the window and the cat followed.. stopping half way lmao (yes she was half through the glass.. so this was either a cats spirit or my dream being wierd!). I then flew up over the houses and through some clouds. The rest is pretty typical dreamness with alot of wierd excrement happening.. like went to a pub i'd never seen before, bumped into someone from work who was litteraly floating around and we started chatting, it was night when it shoulda been early morning, the moon was doing wierd cycles and eventually turned black after i watched it for a while... n thats it coz then my alarm went off.

Wierd and not what i expected hehe.. next time i'm deffinately goin to try and keep my focus more.

Yeh s'what i thought. why does the brain have to make things more complicated than they need to be eh?... lol

back on topic... lol... i took knights advice and just put up a front about all this neg. Ignored it as irrational fear and it pretty much went away

ok this is a quick question (because being a skeptic on psychic abilities im unsure what it is). This whole "seeing behind your eyelids" thing. I'm confused because sometimes i get a sort of imprint on my eyes, kind of like after lookign at a bright light then closing ur eyes. Cept when i look around, the imprint changes with the perspective of the room... i often get it when i'm laying down in the dark at bed time. Its like the room is darker when my eyes are open. It doesnt happen all the time so i've never commited it to any psychic ability... but is it just some kind of imagery my mind is creating for me to phhysical see in the darkness or some lasting imprint of the room before i sleep?

the reason i ask is coz i had it happen again last night and decided to enquire this time . Its very similar effect to a time when i was (or thought i was) near an OBE and could see a dark green version of the room through my eyeslids (againt, still unsure if that was just my mind playing tricks).. cept not as clear.

i had a lucid dream once, a long long time ago tho and havnt come close since. I've been doing reality checks combined with affirmations for the last couple of days. I would ask my self if i am dreaming, check out the world around me, look at my hands and confirm that i am not.. followed by affirming i will have a lucid dream.

i day dream alot and get easily absorbed into a task im undertaking (e.g graphic design or just tv) and become completely obvlivious to the world around me (typical pisces). So technically speaking.. i'm not all that awake most of the time lol.

Another problem i'm discovering is my ability to quiet my mind.. until i began meditating i never realised how uncontrolabley busy it is. Music running through my head is my biggest enemy... it all leads to me falling asleep or becoming agitated after concentrating so hard lol. I'll keep practicing tho! . I've seem to have lost my ability to hit the vibrations/paralysis state too.. i just get to this wierd numb feeling now since ive been doing energy work. I've had a couple of false awakenings too.. well i think i have. I've got to the point where i can feel my heart chakra bopping away and then trying to exit.. but then all i can remember from those was floating straight at the wall and it wasnt very vivid.

cheers for the link LL.. i'll give it a shot!

goods tips guys. I went to the store and got myself a journal!. Wrote down my dreams from last night, Its amazing how one memory of an event in the dream can trigger and flow to the next. My head was just filled of "oh yeh, i remember now" the whole time lol.

At the same time I also got myself a chunk of amethyst mineral that sits beside my bed. It seemed to help because i hardley ever remember my dreams, even upon waking. So coupled with the journal its pretty awesome!

next step.. lucidity!

what?!... hahahaha, thats too funny. A bit silly tho dont you think?


Sorry dude, what are the steps you go through to get to the point so that you "project"?.. there are numerous sensations to get to that point.

i know why i exist.... coz it beats not existing!

yeh i had 2 consecutive armaggedon dreams last night lmao.. both were slightly different by ended up by me surviving somehow.

obviously due to reading up on 2012 theories and then playing the new DEFCON demo before going to sleep. Could it mean the end of the world?.. sure.. but it could also be my subconcious telling me not to worry and all is fine.

Dreams are like puzzles, never take them at face value... even if you're an adept psychic.

i am sooo creating an restaurant for the event when i ascend haha

DONT PANIC!


p.s bring your towels

how ever stupid this sounds... and incredibley unlikely...

the thought of atleast a million people thinking positivley for one day isnt such a bad thing eh?

if i had to be honest, the last 4 years of my life have gone incredibley fast (im 24)...now the years between 16-20 i can remember felt considerabley longer.


ive read lots of evidence for the 2012 theory... but thats all from beleivers, are there any skeptical sources offering scientific evidence against it?

hey stick it out till 2012 atleast, gotta see the biggest fireworks show in the galaxy!

3rd "Day" Dec 14 2002 - Dec 9th, 2003
(The Truth rolls out - Like it or not)


cool.. considering the 10th planet was discovered around this time. The supposed "Nibiru"

does anyone have any tips on getting lucid dreams or at the very least remembering them. I dont remember my dreams much.. probably 1 in 20.

i think the warantee on my physical body will be up by then. So if i'm not in a new one by then, i'll see what i can do.

[Sorry for the long post, but if someone could read through it and offer some advice or.. i dunno, somthing.. i just i need a friendly shoulder right now. It'd be very much appreciated]

Sorry for the long post, but if someone could read through it and offer some advice or.. i dunno, somthing.. i just i need a friendly shoulder right now. It'd be very much appreciated 

Some of you may have noticed me surface on the forum a few days ago lookin for answers. As it all started on Wednesday with simple sleep paralysis (i wont recount it all as i've already posted about it here), researching this attempted a trance state the following day and successfully reached the vibrations stage before being interuppted. The morning after i was drunk and hungover so... nothing lol. Then i almost got out and managed get to a point where i could feel my heart chakra purring away for a bit that night... before being interuppted again!! lol. But the most intruiging is what i am about to write.

After being recommended to read up on Robert Bruces material (thank you lucid_learner!) i've done so intently the last few days and learned a hell of alot, especially concerning the NEW techniques which are just astounding. I was introduced to Negs.... now this bit kind of confused me at first, especially when being initially told the spirits/energys of the astral could not harm us and there were no such things as demons etc. The only reason i actually continued to read is because it eerily described similar things that have been happening to me. I wont go through the whole story but some months ago (i actually wrote about this in my journal) i had been noticing desires and thoughts which seemed very irrational for me, i'm a very very logical person.. a reason why i'm not at all religious, yet i'd get bouts of ilogical, self destructive 'wants'. Now yes, i'm human we all get excrement like that.. but i also have this grissly growth on me that started around about the same time as the 'wants'... which was when i moved into an old house that im currently renting. Maybe its coincidence and made it up all in my mind, i certainly hope note, i'm too young to go insane!!.. because... i may have faced this demon last night.

Now, i'm not one to have nightmares often.. i very rarely actually remember my dreams (a problem im working on), even less likely is for me to dream about somthing that i've been thinking about just hours before i sleep. If i had to class last night, i would call it a nightterror, somthing i've never experienced. As i write this i feel like laughing at its stupidity, had it not felt so strong.

I felt sharp pricking pains on my shoulder and elbow most of the night, i used NEW to clear them when i got them but it rarely worked so i attributed it to something real world (still not sure what it was but it was very painfull and itchy, yet scratching it did nothing). After getting relaxed but not quite into a trance state, i constructed my astral sword intricutly (beautifull and fearsome i must say, this is where playing rpgs paid off!), and stood prepared for any negative images that surfaced. Ofcourse as you'd expect.. nothing happend. Being new to this whole visualisation scene in general.. i'm still somewhat confused on how Bruce could literally tear negative images from his mind and turn them over to reveal new images. This.. is obviously somewhat too advanced for me. Regardless i persevered until i fell asleep.. or astralled.. i'm not sure at the moment its all hazey like a dream, yet i was aware of what was happening from my own perspective.

I remember hitting my trance state but im not sure if i slipped into a dream or not. I was lying in my bed yet mentally sitting in my mind with my sword, in the darkness and slashing and burning (my sword can flame up at will) any negative image that surfaced.. there werent many so it was a long process, i tried turning them over but on the rear side was just garbled colours, so cant be sure if it was just my imagination playing tricks. The next thing i remember are some disturbing faces and sounds, but more strongly i could feel the reaction my body was having... it was hyperventilation, i could feel my skin stand on edge and my breath irratic and gasping in terror as i slashed and burned pretty much any mental thought at that point lol (somewhat of a frenzy). It seemed to last a long time, some of the images were just harrowing haloween type stuff and others were deformed faces, one of which i have a clear mental image of (an asian woman with her left eye that is red and half way down her face) . From what seemed nowhere, i felt very warm and soft hands grasping me from behind and holding onto me.. they were very comforting. Initially i had thought it'd been my girlfriend hugging my physical self, but in retrospect, as i was still aware that i was lying in bed, horizontal.... the position of the hug would have been physically impossible. The warm hands around my chest calmed me down somehwat and brought me a step back from the action to more of an observing state. I remember nothing after that except waking up early morning a little dazed, confused and exhausted.

Im not expecting anyone to read all of this.. its a hell of alot of explaining for such little events. I'm a little emotionless today.. somewhat numb.. somewhat thinking i've lost my mind at the speed in which things have developed. The one thing that annoys me most is this may not have happend had i not read RB's Psychic Defense, as he says that giving negs attention allows them to give you attention.. but how can one formulate strategies against them if you dont acknowledge they are there? its all so confusing and frsutrating.... 

I complete agree, i read your book and noticed you mentioning this very subject. When i first browsed the web for answers on what i was experiencing, i decided to visit forums because they are the easiest ways of getting your questions answered without trawling through pages of useless opinions and views. Unfortunately, i did encounter people using AP and OBE synonymously.. being a complete noob i was instantly confused, expecially reading through other peoples experiences where they'd switch between obes and ap wehn describing the same event.

So yeah, i'm aware of thier difference now because i've spent days reading about them... tho i guess it did make me more curious and inclined to figure it out lol.. so not always a bad thing eh?


personally i'm labeling APs as Dreams for now, being always slightly skeptical i'll researve that until i experiance it... too much to try and understand otherwise lol. Hopefully someone can give you an answer as, in retrospect, my post is probably just spam.

It shocked me a lot when it first happened... I suppose I read about vibrations as if they were never going to happpen to me and when they did it was a big surprise.

They happened to me last night and I noticed a weird feelign in my body, I couldn't put my finger on it. Almost like a temperature change but it wasn't. Felt like I was somewhere other and my bed anyway

Did your eyelids twitch when you were having the vibes?? Mine twitched rapidly.

Peace, LL

wow, exactly... i had the same sensation. As i mentioned in my extract it was a "refreshing" sensation, like.. being indoors at a certain temprature, then going outside where it is the exact same temprature, cept with a different feel and atmosphere. So like, didnt feel so claustraphobic (sp?) which would make sense if you're free from your body lol. My eyelids didnt twitch, it was just all over body, i dont think i felt anything in my head.. it was as if i was an old tv and someone switched me off leaving all that static behind.

What do you do to relax to get to the vibration stage?



EDIT: More progress, yay! . Read up on Mr Bruces NEW (New Energy Waves) techniques, what a suprise they were!. The man certainly knows how to get things moving. Did them for about an hour and ended up with this real wierd feeling at the pit of my stomach, like a pulsating lump.. was almost uncomfortable but didnt bother me too much as i knew that it was the secondary energy centre that resides there. Anyway i ended up dozing off, i fought it a few times but couldnt get to the right state... must have been pretty tired. I woke up at about 3/4am tho and spent a good hour getting into a deep relaxation, it was somewhat harder than the last 2 nights but i managed to get there in the end. It was all different again, i didn't get any vibrations this time and the paralyzing feeling was even more subtle than before. I lay there for a few minutes and then felt this really awesome whirring sensation in my chest, obviously it was my heart chakra, it just putted away like a little motorcycle and was quite amusing to me at the time. So there i was, thinking "excrement.. what do i do now?!" lol.. then gently, i felt as if i was getting blown to my right and floating back again.. at which point i wondered if i had just accidently left my body, but i couldnt see anything. I slowly opened my eyes to where they were half open, but couldnt be sure if they were my real eyes or not so i kept closing them not wanting to wake myself up( I didnt want to attempt any leaving technques at this point, i want to do one thing at a time, dont want to rush myself). On my third attempt i was just "screw it, i'll open fully and if its my real eyes then atleast i'll know".. but then my stupid cat came in meowing her head off.. no idea why but we're not friends at the moment lol. So yeh, i was awake and couldnt get back to relaxation coz alex was snoring.. again. Think i went back to sleep after that.