But what is the focus or goal of the OOBE and Astral journey for all of you?
It's the attitude my father use to carry when I was growing up as a kid. I would mention spirits, or ghosts, or UFO's and his reply to it all was, "But who is going to pay the bills, the taxes and put food on the table?" He was a great dad as far as a family man who always paid the bills but not the kind of flake who dropped acid and dropped out and who might have better encouraged me in my spiritual pursuits.
The point I'm getting at is that I know for myself, I am seriously looking at Robert Bruce's material first and foremost as I too was put off by the 'commercialization' of TMI and other's in the new age and metaphysical cirlcles. Moreso, the experience itself, (and I only speak for myself here), has to be more than just a fascinating experience, occurring simply to bolster my ego so that I develop some kind of messiah complex and can brag to others, "Look what I can do!" Thankfully, what I have found in this forum so far is people that looking to expand their knowledge, advance their thinking, and aren't afraid to share and collaborate on shared experiences and gleen whatever useful information they can off one another. God, if the business world worked like this...we'd end about 99% of the world's resources and socio-economic problems.
Perhaps I am limited in my understanding of the OOBE phenomena, but if one of the focuses is simply out of your physical body and unhibited travel in through our existant world, could this ability not be better used in areas like finding missing children, or remote viewing or finding acheologic digs of important significance?
And as for money, if it was ever used the way it was meant, as an exchange of power for services rendered (i.e.= The doctor pays $50 to the garbage man who pays $50 to the dentist who pays $50 to the grocer who needs $50 to go to the doctor's), then we would live in a world that worked a bit more fair. When you impede and hoard that money to one person (i.e. greed?) would that not disrupt the flow of it and therefore create a defecit in other's lives who would better benefit by getting a chance to use it as well? Is not the same true with the gift of the OOBE abilities to some degree? What if it has far more untapped potential, like seeing things on the energetic level before it becomes manifest on the physical level, (like illness?) and preventing it, or in helping others to awakening to the experience by contacting them in the etheric or astral planes and acting as an activator by energetic association, (like the 100th monkey theory?).
Again, perhaps I have too many grand ideas for the design of OOBE and Astral travel, but I don't want to close my mind off to the possibilities of doing more than entertaining myself if it means others can benefit from it as well...
To James S, when you are ready to form an A-Team of sorts on the other side, let me know if I can apply! : )
Sincerely,
John
It's the attitude my father use to carry when I was growing up as a kid. I would mention spirits, or ghosts, or UFO's and his reply to it all was, "But who is going to pay the bills, the taxes and put food on the table?" He was a great dad as far as a family man who always paid the bills but not the kind of flake who dropped acid and dropped out and who might have better encouraged me in my spiritual pursuits.
The point I'm getting at is that I know for myself, I am seriously looking at Robert Bruce's material first and foremost as I too was put off by the 'commercialization' of TMI and other's in the new age and metaphysical cirlcles. Moreso, the experience itself, (and I only speak for myself here), has to be more than just a fascinating experience, occurring simply to bolster my ego so that I develop some kind of messiah complex and can brag to others, "Look what I can do!" Thankfully, what I have found in this forum so far is people that looking to expand their knowledge, advance their thinking, and aren't afraid to share and collaborate on shared experiences and gleen whatever useful information they can off one another. God, if the business world worked like this...we'd end about 99% of the world's resources and socio-economic problems.
Perhaps I am limited in my understanding of the OOBE phenomena, but if one of the focuses is simply out of your physical body and unhibited travel in through our existant world, could this ability not be better used in areas like finding missing children, or remote viewing or finding acheologic digs of important significance?
And as for money, if it was ever used the way it was meant, as an exchange of power for services rendered (i.e.= The doctor pays $50 to the garbage man who pays $50 to the dentist who pays $50 to the grocer who needs $50 to go to the doctor's), then we would live in a world that worked a bit more fair. When you impede and hoard that money to one person (i.e. greed?) would that not disrupt the flow of it and therefore create a defecit in other's lives who would better benefit by getting a chance to use it as well? Is not the same true with the gift of the OOBE abilities to some degree? What if it has far more untapped potential, like seeing things on the energetic level before it becomes manifest on the physical level, (like illness?) and preventing it, or in helping others to awakening to the experience by contacting them in the etheric or astral planes and acting as an activator by energetic association, (like the 100th monkey theory?).
Again, perhaps I have too many grand ideas for the design of OOBE and Astral travel, but I don't want to close my mind off to the possibilities of doing more than entertaining myself if it means others can benefit from it as well...
To James S, when you are ready to form an A-Team of sorts on the other side, let me know if I can apply! : )
Sincerely,
John