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The very fact that you know all this, that you can express it openly, without fear of repercussions makes you part of a civilized society. Like it or not. In Muslim countries there is very little free expression, sharia law, no rights for women who are owned by their husbands, and corruption and all manner of uncivilized things going on. Cutting off hands of a thief, punishing the girl who has been raped rather than the rapist, honor killings, suicide jihadist warriors, kids being told that they get to heaven if they kill Jews and on and on.

Now I only object to the fact that this guy who claims to be American call Muslim countries more civilized than the west. It is absurd. I lived most my adult life some odd 30 years in Muslim countries, I lived in Turkey Iran Afghanistan and Pakistan and I can assure you this is NOT the case.

I would suggest to Osama or whatever that he try to go live in one, or better move to one. He will be dispised for being an American and could get in real big trouble. Anyway he is a young man who loves to do these stunts loves to make these outrageous claims and he really has no idea. Besides that I very much doubt that he is telling the truth. Noone living in America would believe that American or western women cannot go out at night without fear of being right. This is a myth as you well know, yet one that is being told over and over in the mideast. They believe we have sexual relation with animals on a major scale, rape and kill women at will, and generally cook and eat our friends and neighbours. A typical line from clergy in the mideast, watch youtube.YOU know that this is silly.

I tried to define Civilized, and whether you believe that the Western civilization leaves much to be desired it a heck of a lot better than the Mideast..........believe me. I know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Wrhivp7eQ

i have never personally lived in a Muslim country.

however, one of my friends lived in Jordan for 1 year (he is an American Muslim) and studied in an university there. he was not despised by anyone there and greatly praised the Muslims there in many aspects(he had criticisms as well, in some of their deviation from Islam)

I am living in America and i know in a significant portion of this country, a woman is not truly safe at night. i personally had to pick up a girl who left a house that she was about to be gangraped in, after she asked a group of men for a ride home.

additionally ive personally known a girl who was raped at the age of 11 and consequently was pregnant, and the rapist was never caught.

to be honest, Muslims do not believe that you have sex with animals on a large scale. but we know that you permit it. additionally we know you dont rape and kill women at will, but we know you permit situations in which such instances may be led to occur. additionally, we know you generally dont cook and eat your neighbors, but you allow a tradition of sadism and such "fantasy discussions" to take place without reprecussion.

2. 1. there is a difference between capital punishment, and killing for the sake of sadism.

2. 3. Anyone can write whatever they want on wikipedia, their word is no better than mine. the punishment for rape is death. in fact, the Taliban (May Allah preserve them) established themselves in response to men raping women. They gained faimed and popularity initially through their establishing the hudood (Islamic penal code) on the rapists (by killing them.) I trust what Muslims relate to me because I know they are trustworthy people in comparison to most non-muslims.

2. 4. Yes, Faith in God is a condition for civilization. Faith in God is a natural instinct. In fact, new research states that faith in God is ingrained in our biological makeup. The very fact that in America , britain etc. faith in God is openly opposed and doubted is a sign of a certain hopeslessness and twistedness in these societies and  a subconscious worship of false idols that these societies set up to confuse people.

2.5. Actually, I'm American. I was born and raised in California to a Jewish mother  and palestinian father in a moderately secular environment. I was born in the "ideal" suburban community.

I know the barbarity and desperation of American society because Ive seen it first hand, and I know the purity and peaceful nature of Muslims because Ive seen it first hand.

LOL i mean .....thats fantastic....you crack me up Osama. Here is the definition of Civilized

civ·i·lized (sv-lzd)
adj.
1. Having a highly developed society and culture.
2. Showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancement; humane, ethical, and reasonable
3. Marked by refinement in taste and manners; cultured; polished.

1 General Musharaf of pakistan in the following article says

"Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race," he told the delegates.


Besides that just drop your comments of the Bible, you cannot defend your own barbaric religion by attacking the Old testament, we are not talking about the Jews we are talking about YOU and Islam.

k, Osama ?

You have a good day too my little friend.

1) the Muslims invented algebra and are the pioneers of Medicine, the origin of the belief in heliocentricity as well as the earth's spherical shape.

In the 11th century, Muslim astronomers began questioning the Ptolemaic system, beginning with Ibn al-Haytham, and they were the first to conduct elaborate experiments related to astronomical phenomena, beginning with Abū al-Rayhān al-Bīrūnī's introduction of the experimental method into astronomy.[83] Many of them made changes and corrections to the Ptolemaic model and proposed alternative non- Ptolemaic models within a geocentric framework. In particular, the corrections and critiques of al-Battani, Ibn al-Haytham, and Averroes, and the non-Ptolemaic models of the Maragha astronomers, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi (Tusi-couple), Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi (Urdi lemma), and Ibn al-Shatir, were later adapted into the heliocentric Copernican model,[84][85] and that Copernicus' arguments for the Earth's rotation were similar to those of al-Tusi and Ali al-Qushji.[86] Some have referred to the achievements of the Maragha school as a "Maragha Revolution", "Maragha School Revolution", or "Scientific Revolution before the Renaissance".[11]

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_science

The Muslims understand what it means to fear God and be conscious of Him. To worship Him and none else. To work for the Hereafter as opposed to this transitory life.

2. Muslim societies, even at their farthest away from Islam (like many societies in the Muslim world today) are still 100 times more humane than Western societies.

1. Serial Killing/torture killing is an inherently western phenomena, and rarely happens in the Muslim world.

2. Public acceptance of Fornication/illicit behavior, homosexuality,  adultery is inherently western phenomena, and rarely happens in the Muslim world.

3. Safety and security for women is scarce in any Western country at times of peace. A woman can barely go out at at night alone in America without fearing harassment. In Muslim societies a woman is safe and secure, and knows she wont be harassed/raped.

4. Atheism is an inherently western phenomena, and is rare in the Muslim world.

5. Sadistic crimes committed at all ages are inherently western phenomena and do not happen in the Muslim world.

Example: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-72952193.html

WOODBRIDGE - A 10-year-old boy was accused Thursday of luring a 3- year-old boy from a library, beating him with a bat, sexually assaulting him, and dumping him in a ditch.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/06/infant.killed.ap/index.html?eref=rss_us

LAUDERHILL, Florida (AP) -- A 12-year-old boy beat a toddler to death with a baseball bat because she was crying while he was trying to watch TV, authorities said.

A society that produces children like this isnt "civilized" but deep in the woes of materialism and barbarity.

Another look into your "civilized" societies:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3286721.stm

"My friend enjoyed dying, death. I only waited horrified for the end after doing the deed. It took so terribly long "

Armin Meiwes

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/12/13/germany.cannibal/index.html

Neighbours said they found the story difficult to comprehend. One said: "It was sort of clear to us that he had a different perspective on life than we did but he was a normal person, to speak to him, to drink a glass of beer with him, just like you and me."


Another:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_headline=man-cooks-and-eats-girlfriend-&method=full&objectid=17963137&siteid=94762-name_page.html


A FORMER soldier cooked his girlfriend in their apartment above a voodoo shop, ate her, and then jumped to his death.

Her legs and feet were in pans. The rest of her body was in rubbish bags in the fridge at the apartment in New Orleans, Louisiana.


And Another:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/06/texas.slaying.ap/index.html?eref=rss_mostpopular

TYLER, Texas (AP) -- A man killed his girlfriend, then filleted and cooked parts of her body before calling police to tell them what he was doing, authorities said Sunday.

Christopher Lee McCuin, 25, called 911 on Saturday and told an emergency dispatcher he had killed Jana Shearer, 21, and was boiling her body parts at his mother's home, said Smith County Sheriff J.B. Smith.

When authorities arrived at the home, they found Shearer's mutilated body, one ear boiling in a pot of water on the stove and a fork sticking out of some human flesh sitting on a plate on the kitchen table.


Just a daily example of "civilized" westerners.

3. Islam is the religion which gives the most emphasis and importance to manners. Example:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O5yll9RpCM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ewltD6SAz0&feature=related

"Refined" American character(WARNING: VIDEOS FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVsD3p5cxAU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwVC3ZASmOM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66PJlGN6rzQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX79B-bVdYM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSCs52dVJu0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLgA8CW6k5E


K thnx,

-Abu-Usaama

Oh my the oh so peaceful Muslim are on a rampage, it starts with name calling, personal abuse of anyone who disagrees and then soon after comes the aggression...........don't you see that you are confirming my opinion and absolutely contradicting yourself.......I guess not.

Oh yeah. Name-calling doesnt mean murder/killing. Only a barbaric western individual who cant control himself would kill someone because he doesnt like them.

K thnx,

Abu-Usaama

hello, I don't want to get into current politics, but just want to say that I know for sure muslims invaded most African countries, converting people to islam by force.  Many ancient churches were burnt down and several people killed by this army in Ethiopia, which is the only country the area that hasn't been entirely converted to islam.  The muslim army marched through the country, coverting all of Somalia, some parts of Ethiopia, Sudan etc etc.

Look up your history, you will find it there.  This is fact.

Actually the king of ethiopia converted to Islam during the time of the Prophet sws.

[; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment." [Luke 22:36-36]I've never denied here that Muslims have killed. EVeryone has. And Ive never denied that jihaad is part of Islam. The point is.Muslimsare morecivilizedthanyou.k,have a good day.-Abu-Usaama]

Oh my the oh so peaceful Muslim are on a rampage, it starts with name calling, personal abuse of anyone who disagrees and then soon after comes the aggression...........don't you see that you are confirming my opinion and absolutely contradicting yourself.......I guess not.

For you I will always be just that a brainwashed media worshiping pagan an infidel and Islam knows what to do with such people  . The Koran says it clear for all to understand:

Sura 2:187-189 "And kill them wherever ye shall find them, and eject them from whatever place they have ejected you; for civil discord is worse than carnage: yet attack them not at the sacred Mosque, unless they attack you therein; but if they attack you, slay them. Such the reward of the infidels...Fight therefore against them until there be no more civil discord, and the only worship be that of God: but if they desist, then let there be no hostility, save against the wicked."

2:190-292 "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out: For tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they first fight you there; But if they fight you, Slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith."

2:193 "And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and let there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression."

2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth, and ye know not. 217 They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offense); but graver is it in the sight of God to prevent access to the path of God, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members. Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be Companions of the Fire and will abide therein."

2:244 "Then fight in the cause of God, and know that God heareth and knoweth all things. 245 Who is he that will loan to God a beautiful loan, which God will double unto his credit and multiply many times? It is God that giveth (you) want or plenty, and to Him shall be your return."

So what are you going to say Osama ...........that I have misunderstood the meaning of these Suras.....kill does not mean kill it is translated wrong it really means cuddle......what is your explanation.

I know what you will say. Nothing. You will make a mental note that here is someone who cannot be fooled with all your softsoap, and I personally think you will stop talking to me and continue your peace propaganda baloney and hope I will just go away. Dont you see it, you are exposed for what you are in your heart.

the first verses you quoted, are actually the second verses you quoted, except slyly taking out the part:


"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors." [2:190]

whcih would clarify that the "killing" is done to those who are fighting.

Lets compare these verses to the Old Testament which you Christians believe in :

7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho. [a]

13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.

15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

[Numbers 3:17-17]

36He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37It is written: 'And he was numbered with the transgressors'; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."
[Luke 22:36-36]

I've never denied here that Muslims have killed. EVeryone has. And Ive never denied that jihaad is part of Islam. The point is.

Muslims

are

more

civilized

than

you.

k,

have a good day.

-Abu-Usaama

LOL what can I say, ........you live in a dreamworld Neo. Muslims peacefull.......in your dreams...burning embassies and killing demonstrating, threatening violence and inihilation, to protest being called Violent.

Get a grip ...........

you get a grip, you brainwashed media worshipping, pagan.

....

I'm sure September 11, 2001 and the fact Saddam used WMDs on his own people, had nothing to do with the fact that we invaded "2 countries"....

but...wheres this second country??? we INVADED Iraq, thats one. im still missing this other country you say we invaded.

we didn't invade Afghanistan...the terrorist faction that was responsible for 9/11 was there. we went there with Afghanistan's cooperation, thats not an invasion my friend.

1) Can you explain to me the connection between September 11,2001 and Iraq?

2) Saddam Hussein was not a Muslim. He was a baathist who ruled by secular law, whom every "fundamentalist Muslim" despised.

3) Apparently you have a very lax definition of what a WMD is. http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/06/iraq.wmd.report/

Even if we were to argue that Saddam Hussein used 'WMD's on his own people, the Muslims didnt need big super-hero U.S.A. to come in and make things worse.

4) Yes, you invaded Afghanistan. Maybe your memory isnt that great, but the reality is you had no cooperation from Afghanistan for the invasion. The Taliban, whom had control over the vast majority of Afghanistan had no pre-knowledge of the 9/11 attacks by al-qaeda, and demanded that America bring forth evidence that bin laden was behind the attacks, in which they would subsequently try Bin Laden in Islamic courts. America ignored this noble behavior and invaded like a bunch of whining bullies.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/world/main310852.shtml


Oh yeh, and thanks for admitting that you, along with your government invaded these countries, for YOU are just as guilty for these crimes.

Thanks,

Abu-Usaama

Get over it dude. Muslims have always been peaceful. Rash and floundery statements of a couple doesnt change the fact that:

1)Muslims have always been more tolerant, and more civilized, in warfare and elsewhere, than christians.

2) When the crusaders killed little Muslim, Jewish, and christian babies in Jerusalem in the name of God, the Muslims didnt go killing little christian babies in europe. Not to mention their justification for their crusades being from the old testament as well as the new testament (Jesus telling his disciples to sell their cloaks for swords)

3) When christians tortured people during the inquisition(Muslims and Jews), Muslims had nothign to do with that.

4) When Jews were being persecuted in Christian europe for hundreds of years, they were protected and treated with dignity in the Islamic world.

5) And of course now, when the Christian dominated 'United States' invades two nations, justifying their invasions with lies and deceits, killing thousands of military and civilian, where is the Muslims fault in that?

And they ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning the Ruh (the Spirit); Say: "The Ruh (the Spirit): it is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little." [Qur'an 17:85]

1.What is a Muslim to do regarding those who leave the faith. Is it true that such an act is punishable by death?

2. If a Muslim is expected to return hostility with hostility, is it only required where an invasion of Muslim land is at stake, like Iraq, or is it also accepted where the concern is a desecration of the faith the Prophet (pbuh) or any other Islamic Holy tenant of faith.

1. As for those who leave Islam, this is an issue left up to the Islamic state. There are differing opinions about whether he should be killed or not. However, if it is true this is God's command I have no problem with it. This was the punishment in the Old Testament as well. A true believer when he hears a ruling of God he simply says "I hear and I obey."

2. I dont know.

What I am trying to understand is this. What is the difference between the Koran and the teaching of Muhammad (pbuh) and the New testament and the words of Jesus.

It is becoming very obvious to me that there is a profound difference. Christians have no right to do anything else than pray for those who persecute them. We have no words from Jesus justifying the use of violence. Muslims however not only have permission but they actually have commandments to the opposite effect. They are encouraged to fight the unbelievers who attacked them and even go as far as force Islam on them with violence

That is an incorrect statement. How does this weigh up to the statement of Jesus according to the Book of John:

36Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place." John 18:36 (New International Version)

36Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. John 18:36 (King James Version)

This may not be a command for christians to fight, but Jesus is clearly informing that violence would have been justified, if his kingdom were of this world.

The Prophet Muhammad's (peace and blessing of God be upon him) kingdom was of this world.

Muhammad and his followers were commanded to forgive, for the first 13 years of his message. At this point, God revealed such verses as:

قُل لِّلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا يَغْفِرُوا لِلَّذِينَ لا يَرْجُون أَيَّامَ اللَّهِ لِيَجْزِيَ قَوْماً بِما كَانُوا يَكْسِبُونَ
Say (O Muhammad SAW) to the believers to forgive those who (harm them and) hope not for the Days of Allah (i.e. His Recompense), that He may recompense people according to what they have earned  [Quran 45:14]

فَاصْفَحْ عَنْهُمْ وَقُلْ سَلَامٌ فَسَوْفَ يَعْلَمُونَ
So turn away from them (O Muhammad SAW), and say: Salam (peace)! But they will come to know. [Qur'an 43:89]

When the Prophet went to Medina and established a Muslim community, with penal laws and the like, fighting became permitted, and then was commanded.

I'd like to note that the scholars who consider/ed 9:5 as abrogating previous commands of peace have never believed it applies to Jews and Christians.

By state I mean the condition of something.

The conidition of the situation described is satanic.

But that isnt to say that many people are not in a "satanic state" otherwise. In my opinion, most of the world is in a "satanic state."

I will not deny, voice of silence, that you do experience what are known as "out of body experiences", however, the reality of such experiences can very depending on the person who has them.

There is a statement by a particular individual, al-khidhr, whom Muslims believe tlaked to Moses, who said  to him  "My knowledge, your knowledge and the knowledge of all of creation compared to the knowledge of Allah(God) is like birds dipping their beaks into a sea."


The first step to getting on the path of the truth and seeing things how they really are is in submitting oneself to Allah, The Self-Sufficient, whom neither begets nor is begotten, and whom nothing compares to.

Not all "paranormal" events are necessarily satanic. For example there are real miracles that God bestowed upon His believing servants. But to be honset with you, what you posted isnt one of them. It's from devilsh spirits who want to confirm people's false ideas.

I have read some of NIV, the first two "gospels" and a little bit of other parts.

And I have had an OBE, i dont know what you mean by full wide awake though.

these are all satanic states, not angelic states.


"And (remember) the Day when He will gather them all together, and then will say to the angels: "Was it you that these people used to worship?"

They (angels) will say: "Glorified be You! You are our Wali (Lord) instead of them. Nay, but they used to worship the jinns; most of them were believers in them."

So Today (i.e. the Day of Resurrection), none of you can profit or harm one another. And We shall say to those who did wrong : "Taste the torment of the Fire which you used to belie." [34:40-42]

Im simply correcting ignorance, DH.

Thanks,

Abu-Usaama

Christ was not a christian, Buddha was not a buddhist, mohummad was not a muslim and krishna was not a hindu!

Actually Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was a Muslim.

I (Muhammad SAW) have been commanded only to worship the Lord of this city (Makkah), Him Who has sanctified it and His is everything(in the universe). And I am commanded to be from among the Muslims (those who submit to Allah in Islam). [Surah An-Naml 27:91]

Islam

most of the misconceptions appear to describe the Taliban.
Isn't it the Taliban who are in control of the opium?
I don't think all Muslim = Taliban... but I think many people
only think of the Taliban when they think of Muslims...
Muslims need to do something about the Taliban if they
are worried about misconceptions.

the taliban wiped out 99% of the opium trade from afghanistan

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n904/a07.html

[either by means of spiritual practices]

I have been trying to figure this out for a while. A lot of sufis practice out of body experiences. I dont know of any of the salaf(righteous predecessors) that induced out of body experiences upon themselves, however, there are some instances of the salaf having out of body experiences, that maybe inshalalh i could find and post later.


Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy upon him) seems to allude to out of body experiences in one statement:

"We do not deny that people may experience some kind of kashf, whether when awake or in their dreams when the soul is less connected to the body, either by means of spiritual practices or otherwise. This is the psychological kashf which is the first type of kashf.

But it is also proven through rational evidence as well as shar'i evidence that the jinn exist and that they tell people things about the unseen, as happens in the case of soothsayers, those who are possessed and the like.

The second type is that which is done by outside forces, such as the jinn who tell the soothsayers many things. This is something that is well known, especially to those who have experienced it, and we have come to know about these things on many occasions. This is a type of kashf that has nothing to do with the first type, and this is the second type of kashf.

With regard to the third type, it is what is conveyed by the angels and this is the noblest type, as is indicated by the texts and by rational evidence. Information about the unseen may come from psychological sources, or from evil sources, whether they are satanic or not, or it may come from angelic sources.

Al-Safadiyyah, p. 187-189


Dealing with the jinn which happens a lot while people perform various forms of magic, psychic practices etc. is no doubtedly haraam and is kufr (disbelief).

However, from what seems apparent from ibn taymiyya, out of body experiences and their like wouldnt fall under that category.

Soul's travel out of the body 

Answered by Shaykh Gibril F Haddad

Is it permissible to, take your soul out of your body (The way the Buddhists or wizards do it)? Because the way the wizards do it, is that they just sit down and imagine themselves floating and then their soul comes out of their body (in simple words).

I will leave it for others to address permissibility, but it seems to me that permissibility in the Law is for matters that involve both the spirit and the body.

However, I will address the issue of the soul's travel. The soul roams away from the body at sleep and may do so also when awake, if there is a purpose.

A soul that becomes deliberately disembodied may take another form. The form may be identical to the body left behind, or another form, including animal forms East or West, in the higher world (for Muslims) or lower world (for all others).

One purpose for this is to help others. There is permission for this for many Awliya' (believers who are close to Allah) who, depending on their strength, may take one a multiplicity of self-forms (dhawaat) at one at the same time. The original body stays awake or goes unconscious depending on strength also.

There is a very important difference between Muslims and non-Muslims in such phenomena. Muslim spirits are clothed with light while non-Muslim spirits are clothed with darkness and vulnerable to dark forces. Another danger is that the disembodied soul may "lose" its way back or be prevented from its body, which results in death.

And Allah knows best.

Source: al-Ibriz min Kalam Sayyidi `Abd al`Aziz.

Hajj Gibril
--
GF Haddad

And what does Sharia say we / you should do with people who activly preach, lets say Christianity, in an Islamic country. They won't leave and won't stop preaching their religion tell me what does Sharia say should be done?

Why does it matter? God's Legislation is God's Legislation. Noone can dispute with God's legislation.

"Is it the judgement of days of (preislamic) ignorance that they seek? And whom is better in judgement, than Allah, for people who have certain faith."

The Shariah is quite clear regarding the issue you brought forth. Christians are not to be permitted to preach christianity publicly .

Ha Sharia. Gimme a break. Fredom of women, love and peace respect of religious differences and tolerance.

James do me a favour and spend a bit of time investigating Islam. Start with Aborgation. It is absolutely mindblowing to me that noone speaks up here. I have lived for decades in muslim countries, I know the reality as does Jeehad.

I dont want to discuss this with him anymore but James take some time to check it out Youtube, Islam and womens rights, Islam and voiolence, Islam and Jihad.............it goes on and on

Regards Mustardseed

The reality, whether you like it or not, is that only God has the right to Legislate, and that His legislation must be accepted. Anyone who refuses to accept a legislation from God on the basis that he personally sees it has 'inhumane' or barbaric, is in reality simply arrogant.

Sharia deserves to be everywhere.