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#26
QuoteHere you lost me.  At least in two of the books you mentioned the author does not come to the conclusion that they are dealing with 'evolved, advanced' species.  In one of them the author specifically comes to the opposite conclusion.  So did you actually read those books, or did you read what others said about those books?

Which ones?  Ive read Monroes classic Journeys out of the Body, Secret of the Soul (Buhlman) and read different books from NDE ones By Melvin Morse and also a book called "You cannot die" (cant recall the author)  Also have started Cosmic Journeys (Mcknight) & Astral Dynamics i have just started.

Frankly some of the stories and adventures seem hard to believe.  (like inhabiting another life in another dimension in another person's/stranger's body for a while)

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That you can perceive in ways other than the ones you get in a five sensory way.  This implies connection, does it not?

Connection to what?  Considering that much of what you perceive depends on your state of mind.  Do you perceive what is actually there? Or what is in your own mind? (or indeed others mind  - something that Jung calls the collective unconscious)
I agree yes consciousness does seem to OR can operate outside of the physical body given certain conditions.


QuoteLike any other theory about any other thing, right?

Scientific theories can be tested.  They have a practical application.  The theories that are told of in these books are things like:  reincarnation, soul, karmic order to the universe etc.  It isnt explained how they come to these realizations - the authors just add the concepts in.  Now i understand its based on their experience which is why perhaps they are talking about such concepts.  But they dont unpack the concepts.  They talk about them as if they are already accepted.  But how can they be?  No evidence is presented just their belief.


QuoteAnd what exactly is wrong with that?

Because if its all in the mind - then doesnt it lose its "reality validity" Its accepted that certain drugs when taken can induce bizarre hallucinatory effects but it is not assumed at all that such experiences have a Reality beyond the experience.  By that i mean they are taken to be hallucinations and not real. I'm asking if OBES etc are the same?  I suppose actually that according to what ive read - some projection experiences are shared with another person.  The 2 people wake up and remember the same out of body journeys together.  Hrmm...  that would be good evidence i guess.

QuoteWell, without actually meaning to, you kind of demonstrated that it's not what the information is, it's what you get out of it.  But if you really want to know where the info is, you'll have to go see it yourself.  And let us know what you find.

So its about what one Ego gets out of it? the individual?  So its not about knowledge or finding new ways of thinking to try to benefit how we live now?  I would have thought if i were to meet a more evolved entity that they would be able to impart some kind of knowledge to help humanity evolve or change?

Thanks for your time - i am just curious.  I dont mean to cause offense.   I do accept the experiences happen.  I just have scepticism over the interpretation of such experiences.



#27
Ive read a few books (Bruce (havent finished reading his Astral Dynamics), Monroe, Buhlmann, Morse etc) around the subject and i always hear about conversations with evolved, advanced beings and saying things like we are part of a much bigger picture..that this reality is a training ground for consciousness etc.. 
and i hear that by projecting yourself you help your own spiritual advancement.

How?   

I read these stores about many different levels of vibration from the denser matter up to pure thought-responsive realities.

All pretty vague in  though.  Some really interesting stories and wonderful theories built on top.

But i have yet to read or hear anything which is *actual evidence* of information/knowledge from such apparently evolved spiritual beings.  I mean is projecting merely about having your own wild fantastic experiences?  Like going on a drug-induced trip?  For the pleasure?
I do obviously think that projecting is possible because it happened to me once by accident and it certainly wasnt a dream - but i'm pretty sceptical its anything significantly meaningful in a larger sense.  In other words  the Reality of it i'm not sure has any meaning outside of the person having the experience.

If people are actually projecting into these other realities then where is the information of such an exchange?  What are they bringing back?
 
#28
Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Good book?
December 03, 2007, 19:58:32
Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce
#29
dont talk to anyone about it.  Told a m8 about it and he just went "hrmm ok" and changed the subject.  So now i "talk"  to myself about it...probably not healthy :D
#30
Quotehad a strange energy type "lifting" sensation at my legs.

I got scared and snapped out of it into regular wakefulness.

Has anyone else had any type of energy type sensations going along there body whilst trying this technique in particular? It seems had I not freaked out and brought myself back I may have had the energy feeling fill my whole body then possibly would lead to vibrations then eventually i'd be able to project.

Yes, ive had this kind of thing lots of times.  My fear reflex kicks in to stop it going any further.

Also had problems when in this sort of state that my heart starts beating incredibly fast and loud which freaks me out unfortunately as i think im dying or something. 

However i could be wrong but i dont think its my physical heart which is beating that fast its something else...
#31
Just because one has the capability of doing something doesnt mean one should.

A lot of people talking about the wherefors and hows of finding MM using OBE.

Oh right we should use the OBE  to find the hundreds and thousands of children and people that go missing each year.  Or is Madeline a special case?

If its about because with MM we have a face and a name and information.  You can just as readily get information on the many many missing people that are in need also.

#32
Quote from: RamU1016 on October 10, 2007, 17:40:06
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Well that was amazing,  it inspired me to register.  It was just dumbfounding really.  Well done!!!  I am a bit puzzled how this mischevious or malevolent figure who you first met in your bedroom was able to transport you to another place entirely against your will.  Quite disturbing.  But your whole experience.... just WOW!
Did you have time to examine your "body" or see if there was any cord attached to it or anything?  Did you have different knowledge?  That is, you seemed to know that the mischevious presence was deceiving you?
Did you think about what was happening to you during the time away - or did it feel that you were instinctively doing things e.g. out of fear etc  Were you relaxed?  Were your vision and hearing the same as in the physical?

Ive been interested in OBES/Astral Projection on and off since i was in my teens really (well before that even)

Basically i had a short but very painful OBE  when i was a child.  Just going to the dentist's to get teeth out.  I was 5 years old - i was given gas to put me to sleep but i had a reaction to it or something.  Its difficult to describe but it felt like i was squeezed out of my body.  (hold a hairbrush in your hand now use 2 fingers to squeeze or push up each side to the top - it felt like that) The sensation of being squeezed out started at my feet then made its way up to my chest - i should add that this was either extremely painful or just the most horrible sensation i have felt ever.  It made its way to my chest then when it reached my upper chest/heart area i seemed to be outside up at the ceiling.  I know i was at the ceiling because 2 people were leaning over me.  But anyway thats all i remember - but i was the most frightening experience ive ever had. 

Ive had some nightmares through the years (not for a long time now though) that made me think that i am being attacked and have been pretty scary but not the same as this. 

The curious thing is - i would have dismissed this as just a bad dream or forgotten about it long ago if it wasnt for the pain heh oh well ironic.  I think Fear is a big factor which stops me getting further.   Sometimes i feel i can tell if there is someone in the room at night.  Yesterday i was trying out a couple of binaural beat rythms for meditation.  I fell asleep 20 minutes afterwards.  (at 2am)  woke up 2 hours later in a very afraid state of mind - i was absolutely convinced that a malevolent? presence was there - i started talking to myself (re-assuring myself etc) and switched on the radio just to try to get rid of the overpowering feeling of the presence nearby.  I certainly didnt want to go to sleep.

Sorry to go off topic there.