QuoteHere you lost me. At least in two of the books you mentioned the author does not come to the conclusion that they are dealing with 'evolved, advanced' species. In one of them the author specifically comes to the opposite conclusion. So did you actually read those books, or did you read what others said about those books?
Which ones? Ive read Monroes classic Journeys out of the Body, Secret of the Soul (Buhlman) and read different books from NDE ones By Melvin Morse and also a book called "You cannot die" (cant recall the author) Also have started Cosmic Journeys (Mcknight) & Astral Dynamics i have just started.
Frankly some of the stories and adventures seem hard to believe. (like inhabiting another life in another dimension in another person's/stranger's body for a while)
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That you can perceive in ways other than the ones you get in a five sensory way. This implies connection, does it not?
Connection to what? Considering that much of what you perceive depends on your state of mind. Do you perceive what is actually there? Or what is in your own mind? (or indeed others mind - something that Jung calls the collective unconscious)
I agree yes consciousness does seem to OR can operate outside of the physical body given certain conditions.
QuoteLike any other theory about any other thing, right?
Scientific theories can be tested. They have a practical application. The theories that are told of in these books are things like: reincarnation, soul, karmic order to the universe etc. It isnt explained how they come to these realizations - the authors just add the concepts in. Now i understand its based on their experience which is why perhaps they are talking about such concepts. But they dont unpack the concepts. They talk about them as if they are already accepted. But how can they be? No evidence is presented just their belief.
QuoteAnd what exactly is wrong with that?
Because if its all in the mind - then doesnt it lose its "reality validity" Its accepted that certain drugs when taken can induce bizarre hallucinatory effects but it is not assumed at all that such experiences have a Reality beyond the experience. By that i mean they are taken to be hallucinations and not real. I'm asking if OBES etc are the same? I suppose actually that according to what ive read - some projection experiences are shared with another person. The 2 people wake up and remember the same out of body journeys together. Hrmm... that would be good evidence i guess.
QuoteWell, without actually meaning to, you kind of demonstrated that it's not what the information is, it's what you get out of it. But if you really want to know where the info is, you'll have to go see it yourself. And let us know what you find.
So its about what one Ego gets out of it? the individual? So its not about knowledge or finding new ways of thinking to try to benefit how we live now? I would have thought if i were to meet a more evolved entity that they would be able to impart some kind of knowledge to help humanity evolve or change?
Thanks for your time - i am just curious. I dont mean to cause offense. I do accept the experiences happen. I just have scepticism over the interpretation of such experiences.