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Hello dudes been away for a time now I trying to OBE again using phasing. Just wanted to ask all those phasers out there how long it took you (very roughly) to see something in the darkness to enter into? did it take you hours upon hours to end up seeing something or?

I think it someone trying to wind us up.

Whens the best time to try exit in 4hz?

So what about some type of validation test? say you could stick a card (which you don't know what is) on the ceiling  above on your bed or wherever you go to OBE then go lie OBE on back keeping eyes closed and if you are able to see through eyelids before OBE or after or whenever, you could check out the card on the ceiling as it would be in the right position to see it through the eyelids.

Is this real? many have said before they descend deeper and go into a full blown OBE they are first able to see through their closed eyelids. Is this just a hallucination or has anyone actually tried to test it and see if they can see something for real in their environment when looking through there closed eyelids. Sort of like a validation test I guess.

Can't you do the same on Osama Bin Laden's head? nah kidding. I don't buy it myself.

As PR said... binaural beats *will not* induce a projection.
It will simply put you into the correct state of mind to make a projection more successful.

~Ryan

K I probably used the wrong word, instead of induce a projection I should have used "properly prepare" for an obe but yes I know what your saying that the beats will help get you into the right mindset to make it possible.

You use brainwavegen? do you know if you can get any soundwaves for that which makes it able to phase easier? (and from there attempt to OBE) I want to try and use the phasing technique and hoped there may be a binarial beat that can help. You happen to know? thx.

Is there a way to induce an OBE by phasing using binaural sound waves? I know you can do it without them but I was just thinking maybe there is a binaural beat that can help with the phasing process to OBE. Anyone know of one? anyone used any pls? thx.

So when your in the astral and kind of floating around as aware as now, how does your mental psyche actually take the reality of coming across something horrifying looking? I sometimes walk down the street and see people walk past me and think to myself now if I was approaching a triple headed demon or something and saw it in this clarity of everyday life (like in the astral) I think I would totally freak out!!

How do you people who are experienced deal with seeing things horrifying?

I'm trying to project. well last night I was doing this thing where I was going to get sleepier but consciously stay awake I guess..there was a technique I read where someone rolls their eyes up and waits for pressure to build, and keep on letting it build until a snap happens and they're gone...thats what I was trying to do but I fell asleep and this morning I was disturbed too much.

Pls tell more about this technique pls.

what exactly do you focus on inducing when you are gazing into your own darkness behind your eyes during phasing? what should you be focusing on exactly.

I have had a similar problem.

I have found a few ways to tackle it.

1. If it's an acute problem you may just have to wait it out and practice once you return to a normal state.
2. Learn to ignore it.  I used to have a problem where I could feel my heart beating in my stomach when i would do deep breathing and it was VERY distracting.  It actually brought me back from a projection once.
3. A technique offered by Sylvan Muldoon in "Projection of the Astral Body" is to focus on the heart beat in your chest then move your attention around your body (first head, then neck, then abdomen, then legs, then arms, then feet, then hands, etc.) and try to feel your heart beat in the different parts of your body.  Once you can do that, move the heartbeat again, but this time try to slow it down.  It's really not hard to do once you've gained a little control of feeling your pulse around your body.  You'll find that it's actually easy to control your own heart rate consciously.

Thx for this advice but can you elaborate on the part about moving your heart beat around your body? how can you do this? I don't really get how you could feel your heart beat in your arm for example?! (lol) pls explain more on what you mean and how to do this. Thankyou.

Thx for your reply CFTtraveller.

You heart and soul are not at rest
You must do introspection, reflection and meditation

What did you mean by this? that i'm at ill ease with myself? (could be right)

Is there perhaps any good effective methods of breathing or something that could help this heart pounding problem? it really seems to be killing all my attempts 

When it comes to relaxing I always notice I lay down and my heart pumps faster. Does that mean I getting more anxious rather than relaxing? does heart rate matter when it comes to trying to project? thankyou. 

what what would happen would the Elves try and pull you out of your physical body? (hehe)

Alright I have some across some stuff online about something called an Electromagnetic Low Frequency Generator (ELF) which is basically a device which claims to be able to put your brain into whatever brainwaves you desire like Theta for example.

This could be good help for astral travelers if it enables them to get into Theta to project don't you think? has anyone here used one of these? what you guys think. If it really works it could be useful.

Personal reality....you drink Valerian Root? you find it makes a difference? I don't want to veer this topic off course so would you mind if I messaged you and asked you about it? thx.

K then try the time experiment sometime in the future.

They gotta have some sort of page where you can declare experiments you are going to do and by what deadline. That would be easier for people to keep track of progress and see easily and properly what the outcome was with each one.

You admins think that would be any good or?

Still trying T.L? (sorry just incase you forgot)

Knew that was coming grrrr. would if I could .

Anyone?

Is anyone going to do this? it seems a good idea.

Pls explain why.

Has no experienced astral projector done this ever?

I'm just tired of people on TV yappin on and on about a book their bringing out.