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Silly me, just last night I was having pre OBE symptom and there I was lying down feeling presence again and being afraid(It's not like I can see anything, I just get scared by the feeling of the presence...) [:I]

quote:To summarise, then, the basic rules you need to keep in mind are:

1) Thought equals Direct Action.
2) Your experiences are primarily governed by your expectations.
3) Like instantly attracts like.
4) Your ability to perceive is proportional to your willingness to believe

Frank: Great one Frank. I always suspect there is somewhat different rule in the astral but never saw any thing as clear and concise as the for point you mention. Hope my control will be better.

My willingness to believe also cause some problem with me in that when something out of my current belief shows itself I have trouble accepting the experience at face value. One time this strange older woman was taking me to a dark place much like tent and she just leave me there in the dark! How could I, being inexperinced projecter not to panic.. heh

I agree that the RTZ is great but the real fun would be in the astral

quote:Fortunately there is a simple way to deal with fear and the forms our projection of it can take. Love and fear cannot be in the same place at the same time. I'd suggeest that the next time you experience the presence and begin to feel fear, cause yourself to remember the feeling of love to the point of actually re-experiencing it. Remember a time in your life when you were feeling loved or loving. Let the memory of that time help you re-experience the feeling of love. When you can feel it, attempt to open communication with the presence. I'd suggest you act as if someone is really there and you'd like to communicate with whomever it is. Ask the presence anything you can think of to learn more about who it is, why it's there, etc.

Bruce: Thanks for your suggestion. It seems to be the most suitable solution here. I will surely try to experience the feeling of love next time in the astral (or in the physical too). All this time I resolve to stop feeling fear while in the physical but when the time come, you know... Substituting fear with love make so much sense.

quote:Exploring was just naturally showing me I had fears that needed to be dealt with.

Ginny: Thank so much Ginny. That one hit right on the nail there. I noticed that I have some fear in me that really need to be deal with. Your experience shows me how to better tackle my issues.

quote:It was also at this time, Ame, that I began paying attention to interesting thoughts/ideas coming through, while fully conscious: ideas suggesting how to deal with my fears...or better yet, my fear-based beliefs, the idea being that if I indeed was the creator of or had at least agreed to adopt such beliefs, *I* must be in charge---not the fears and beliefs...and I could change what I no longer needed or wanted, what was literally getting in the way.

That was most helpful Ginny! I'm still very much using classical method but Focused Attention that Bruce Moen teaches looks very interesting. From what I read you get better control and memory.

I believe what Frank is using right now is something similar to that which is considered phasing.

Thanks a bunch for your all lovely replies!

quote:Thank you both for your input. Being bombarded by western-style news is becoming rather tiresome and I'm making it my goal to balance this with a greater degree of understanding of, "the other side" so to speak. I wondered if you knew of any websites I could scan in order to seek further understanding of these matters?

I've been checking some website lately. Most of it is relating to science in relation to religion (science is always my fav subject and believing in God is very important to me).[8D]

http://www.it-is-truth.org/
http://www.beconvinced.com/SCIENCEINDEX.htm
http://islamicity.com/Science/iqs/

The following is not about science but offer introduction to Islam.

http://www.thetruereligion.org/

Thanks everyone for replying,

Ginny,

What you said about projecting fear make sense. When I try to continue projecting that day eventhough feeling the presence I do feel that my fear did lessen considerably eventhough there are traces of it remaining.

You said that you've gone through this. Can you tell me about your experience? it seems that in the present moment I feel that I have nothing to fear but when in the projecting stage I'm not really free from it.

I have contemplate on asking the presence only that I'm afraid they would notice me noticing them so I just keep quiet. I guess I need to straighten my belief and fear first. But I don't really know how to. Your experience with your guide sure is interesting. How do you get over your fear of them?

I guess I actually am not very comfortable with the idea of guide as yet. Well higher self I'm ok with but another being? How would I know they are my guide (if there are)?


Brian,

You said about changing energetic makeup (this is the same about raising your vibration I presume?). How do one go about this? Is this process done in the astral or done throughout all our life in the physical also?


Frank,

You said about misunderstanding what we are involved with. How do we minimise this from happening? And how to increasse the objectivity of our experience. I don't want to be clouded by my own belief or fear or personal filter. How do we control our emotion in the astral from influencing what we say? Is this a good practice?



Lately i can't seem to get into the RTZ. When I'm projecting I try to go away from my physical as far as possible without sight and the when I'm able to turn on my sight It's like I'm straight in the astral. I wonder why it is like this.

Has anyone use the exteriorization technique? I only read about this technique in some book but so far I haven't come across anyone yet that said they use this technique.

http://astralvoyage.com/projection/Exteriorization.html

It was claimed to be better and less fail prone.
From what I see what Lysear use are different from this.  

THE SOUL OF MAN IS THE OBJECT OF  THE  WAR,  AND  MAN HIMSELF IS THE
      BATTLEFIELD.

                                                DR. RUDOLPH STEINER

[8D]

The hypnogogic image are not dream yet but it can trap you into a dream. One moment you're pulled into it, the next thing you know you're dreaming. Usually what I do is just remain passive to the image (much like you see the image and said to yourself, oh how nice but remain unaffected by it). It's hard for me to explain actually but there must be something, just alittle bit something occupying your mind so that you remain in control.
Anyone can help further?

Frank,

Your question may sound simple to you but it is very important.

1'st question:
You see, fundamentalism is a much misused words. Fundamentalism means adherence to the fundamentals and the essence of whatever it is (religion such Christian, Islam, Jews or whatever). This means that the fundamentalist of a religion should adhere to the ruling and conduct of that religion. Then, we can call them fundamentalist. However the media always used this words to portray in accurate view because of many reason such as control of the people Judgement and emotion. When people were given wrong fact, how could we expect them to make correct value decision? This have been played upon by those people to further their own interest. So, in my opinion we cannot correctly call them (such as the terrorist) Muslim fundamentalist. We also cannot call those Christian who do such thing as Christian Fundamentalist. A more accurate term for this should be exteremist( which I guess what Icwiz actually mean when he said fundamentalist). The Koran clearly said that God do not like those who transgress or goes to the extereme (exteremist). Also Icwiz is correct that a muslim cannot kill a non muslim or even insult other's religion. Also killing oneself is prohibited therefore those who suicide bombed themselved were not actually martyr but they die in vain.

2'nd question:
In my understanding of Islam, the "act of acquiring" knowledge for the follower involves reading from the Quran and collection of traditions (or sunnah which includes the sayings of the Prophet, his practices, and actions which gained his approval) and also to look within and use logic. What I understand Islam does not call for blind faith and encourage the follower to question. There are many recently scientific facts in the Quran which may appeals to those scientifically oriented (even describe the Big Bang theory)). Therefore you can say that it's a mixture of both.

That's just what I understand so Icwiz or anyone correct me if there are any wrong.

P.S. Frank, I have asimpler question for you or Adrian: how to include quote?[:I] Thanks.


"One of the more curious features of the followers of the various religions is that, being so dogmatically certain that in their own particular little faith  they  already possess the whole Truth about all things in Heaven and Earth, it  almost  never  occurs  to any of them to look  elsewhere  and  find out what the followers of  other religions may know or may have discovered."

I never seems to have much success with rope.

Sometimes I hit the ceiling and other time I'm surprised that there are something on the end of the rope that scared me senseless.
For me the best method is just to relax and playing on the border of sleep/awake line. Much like teasing yourself "I'm going to sleep, I'm going to astay awake".

It hits me that those who have trouble projecting are trying too hard. They have complete control over the sleep/awake line that they effectively stay on the border for eternity. IMO you need to fall alittle bit then try too catch yourself back. At least that"s what I did.

Tom,

I read somewhere that Garlic and Onion could be beneficial for High Blood Pressure.
Also i've found two link you might find interesting:http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/922288104.html
http://www.egregore.com/diseases/hypertension.html#treat
Of course all of these must be in conjunction with doctors treatment.

Good health.

Thanks a bunch Kampersdream. I guess I'll have to wait for a while before using your tech as I'm very new to NEW and I'm still trying to loosening up my secondary and not yet to do energy raising which I hope to be able to do soon. I'll let you know about the result.

Kampersdream,
How do you use energy to clear blocked nose and cold? It's been a great problem for me especially when in air-con.
Thanks a zillion.

Cainam - Reason number two would be scary. I don't want them to want me...

Goingslow - Unfortunately, I never snap out of it that easily. At least not after some time struggling on and off the paralyse state.

Amber - Now, that was scary. I never experiences something that scary though (lucky me).

Squeek - No, I don't live alone actually. The university provide me with invinsible roommates, remember?[]

I never get a clear view of this person. He is invisible to me. But it's like this 'person' or whatever it is composed of energy. It's transparent but have some kind of faint yellowish, glowing tinge to it. Now that you say it, it could have been me. This reminds me of a spontantenous OBE I had in my younger year napping in my great grandmother house where I was walking in that house while at the same time struggling in sleep paralysis trying to scream. Only that time my vision is on my double and not on my physical while this time it is reversed... who knows.   But if that's the case then I was scared of myself and I did make a very stupid sound.

Yea Amber, don't let them get your spirit down.[]

I'm lucky that I never seen their faces or body (maybe because I always close my eyes heh..) or It'll be much more spooky. My invisible roommates steps kinda have a shimmering or glowing quality to it like sometime when you have etheric OBE and every object seems to glow. In fact it reminds me of my first spontantenous etheric OBE in my teen.  

Well, illusions or not, it was very scary at that time. Won't let it stop me OBEing though. IMO the best way to act in situation like this is to keep a passive observing attitude and not get carried away (if I can keep my cool that is). It always seems like your fear are intensified at those time...

My question is why are we able to see them with our physical eyes?

Well, strange that the day before yesterday I have also experience something to that effect. That night I achieved two astral projection and one inner body experience where I'm in my body and in a state of paralysis. Had I not experience something like what you experience, I would have .

Well, I also live alone in my college.

It was at night and I was in sleep paralysis state after an astral projection earlier (well, actually two in that night, I probably attempted another projection had I not been scared by that incidents). I heard someone open the door and entering my room. That some one also put something on my study table and I can see that he put bathroom towel on the place where i hang my cloth (I am scared at that time so I just glinted from the corner of my eye and I don't see his body). This person was pacing back and forth on the side of my bed. I could also feel like my hand inadvertently touching it when he is pacing back and forth. However I cannot see it. Partly because I'm scared and i try to appear insconspicous and just looking from my just a little bit opened eyelid so that it does not notice me. However I noticed that it seems that It only walk at the place where I am not trying too see( sort of it doesn't want to be seen by me). All the while this thing keeps ,mumbling some funny sound (don't laugh but it sounds like nyoknyoknyok ad infitum). and i could swear that the voice does sound like my younger brother (though I don't think that I have heard my brother make that nyoknyok sound).
I was trapped in that state for quite some time and I keep calling God and try to break off from paralysis (more like something heavy was placed on me at that time). I try to move my big toes to break free from paralysis but it doesn't seem to work although I can move my big toes and other toes). Well, finally I broke off that state and that ordeal end.

That's my story.