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#26
Just don't have an OBE while crossing the street at a busy intersection, or operating a machine or a car! :-)
#27
I have experienced this sort of sexual stuff a year ago when a guest of the opposite sex stayed in our guest room overnight. It was like the real thing without my trying! We were just doing it! Astrally! All night! But I was upstairs and she was downstairs in our own beds. I had never wanted a sexual relationship with her. The next day, I kept my mouth shut knowing that she is not into spiritual stuff. She may have fantasised it for me! I was careful not to make any moves or anything in daylight because this was not going to happen again. I wanted a relationship with SOMEONE ELSE not her! Then it took care of that and never happened again. By the way, it was good sex! :-)  It was my first astral sex as far as I am aware of. So, that was a kind of validation that it does exist! It doesn't seem to be something I would fear. I just know that er.. as in above, so below...heheh. So I steered clear, treated the guest in daylight with utmost courtesy as if nothing had happened. It would have been hilarious if I had opened a topic on dreams with her at meal next day. How would she get out of that one, if she did remember her fantasy dream.
#28
Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Suggestions
January 23, 2003, 01:16:29
Yeah,
One time in Hollywood, when riding in the backseat of friend's car down Franklin, at the traffic light pause, I noticed a weird parade float of some sort, with greek columns and pretty people languishing in togas. I couldn't believe what I saw then! To make matters worse, they speed off ahead of us when the light turned green! I remembered all the colors and everything! I have never been to a parade like that in this life. It may have been a residue of an old Rose parade or something. It didn't seem to contemporary either, sort of a Back to the Future effect. This kind of halucinating does not happen to me like that. So, I know what you are talking about when you wonder if the visualization with eyes open is the same as seeing something almost materializing. Beats me, but now, I can only guess that I was perceptive then of old forms upon THAT geographical location. It seemed appropriate because many parades do go down that road.

I did see angels in the sky as a 5 year old child too, when I was on my mom's lap in the front seat after a long starry nightly drive heading home.

I also have seen thunderstorms over my bed upon waking up. Then I remembered I had a fight with someone I knew. This was some 23 years ago.  

Yeah, some thought forms have certain levels of density, I realize, based upon these mentioned experiences. My eyes were OPEN in all of the above situations.

Curious, we are! We want explanations. We were not handed such manuals at school in elementary education. We did not have parents who support our vision. So, we saw and we don't doubt ourselves. We were not on rum or pills.
#29
In reviewing all your profiles, I am truly impressed at the ages in this group! Some of you are into music! (I am deaf since birth but I still hear out there astrally) I would imagine in your chants that you piggyback those streams coming out of your astral mouth and you sail with them! Has it been like that for you? Do you chant sometimes, does it make you trancelike?  I swore that when I chanted on the beach into the waves, it seemed to part like the Red Sea. It was beautiful it moved me so much! Yes, it is about emotion and frequency! Visually, I can see joy as an explosive feeling, expansive. I can view depressed as being sluggish, sticky, inertia-bound, etc. So, what can those high states be like? Use your imagination, and I think you will get there! Just if you can imagine it and imagine more using the data as you hop on them out there. You go to the horizon and you see another, and another! Wonderful, huh?
#30
PS,
The "elusive" trance is no longer elusive, if you toss out that word "elusive" in your vocabulary. How about changing the term to AWAKE TRANCE. That sounds more self fulfilling to your wants. Also toss out the word "try", "need", etc. They are all disempowering words as mentioned in book LANGUAGE CODES by Neville Johnston. We create our realities by what we proclaim. It is those words! You are going to find all sorts of these word traps in our everyday language. Hilarious! How many times have you been told something was difficult and sure enough you find it difficult!  The trick is to make it into a little lie, like "OH THIS STUFF IS SO EASY!" If our children in education were presented with course material like this, we'd have a renaissance!
#31
Paul,
You remind me of myself! About the smiling chakras, etc. I was doing that but didn't know that was a technique! Wow! I can make emoticons all over my organs with ease. You are doing the right thing.
As for inducing trances, they seem to me to be as natural as eating or even sex. You will know it more each day. You seem to be on the right track.
Helpful tip is to feel godlike, emulating big concepts in form instead of words, in real emotions instead of words.  Maybe it is like in acting school: everyone do the joy emotion! okay, everyone do the grief emotion! it can be duplicated with practice. A good actor knows how. I know how. So, try on the higher emotions and you are OUT OF YOUR BODY!!!!! the body probably cannot contain the higher octaves of emotions of joy and stuff, but you can do it, and the next thing you know you are in LA LA land. That to me is TRANCE. Getting the frequency you want.

Others succumb to drugs instead, not knowing they could artificially induce those emotions without! I don't do drink, smoke or drugs. I do the psyche-up, whenever I want.

I just read about what NOT DOING was. I finally understood! It is the absolute elimination of EFFORT in anything you do, you simply waltz into the task at hand, as if you and pencil, brush, keyboard are ONE. You would never know effort again. Trancing is like that. Just sail right into it at the flicker of the emotion or frequency switch that you remember. You are going to do this often enough and on automatic that it would seem natural.

Another tip, one day when my third eye started to swell up for no apparent reason, I took that as a call to go into meditation. Without getting up from my chair at pc, I just closed my eyes, and followed the third eye where it was tugging me. I remembered to use the indian rope trick because at the time I was practicing OBE per William Buhlman's technique. In no time, I was FAR OUT OF THIS WORLD, no body, no nothing and I had the greatest ride into eternity in all the glory I had ever experienced! So, it really is the culmination of all your practicing.  Also, my dreamcatching daily every AM just before I open my eyes after long sleep, scanning my memory for all the dreams and states that night, helped me bring back the recall into my brain for my enjoyment. Otherwise, we are OBEing all the time and not KNOWING it at conscious level.  Keeping a log makes this more automatic reflex for me. IT is like my flatbed scanner! Everything remembered!!!!! And this makes OBE lots easier in daytime as well. Everything helps.
You on right track babe.
#32
About alcohol, that is what it is, petrol! I haven't touched alcohol for 30 years. O'Douls tastes quite good as a substitute!
So, if one is using alcohol or drugs to induce OBE, God help them! As time progresses, the brain requires more of the alcohol or drug to produce the same toxifying rush effect as the first dose in childhood.
I suggest you drink veggie juices or something the body can thank you for. Would last you longer. I don't believe the stuff about wine helping the heart, really don't. It is the CHEER that is good for the heart.

The body goes in all kinds of funny arrests when it needs something. So, give it some food. Leave the petrol for your car.

Like me, you can easily do OBE without the alcohol and soda pop. I can give you a tip.  Out there, I learned that the tone is that of enthrallment, very high vibe, because everything is so wonderful. So, start your OBE in that vibe, with eager anticipation as if you are readying for a nice roller coaster ride, or a flight to the moon. It is that thrilling and your frequencies shall match successfully.

By contrast, if you start off bored stiff, I can be sure you will be transported to desolate and non challenging places. It is all in the mind and heart. (not the brain for the most part)

The distilleries of UK are going to hate me for this!

#33
I saw them too! As I got older, I realized several things: I was looking for them in the first place! I expected the darkness to be a place of surprises. And I had a notion of what a surprise was, maybe, someone popping up and saying "boo!" I admit I was terrified!!!!

I also realized in later life, that if I send out a thought wave, it may collide with a similar thoughtwave and surface together like a click switch, the picture comes on! We have INFINITE CHANNELS. Some of you have a satellite dish for you TV? We as spirits (in bodies too) have this infinite capability of accessing anything into infinity. Literally everything. This is a THOUGHT UNIVERSE! Most of us are going to look at one thing or one picture or one field at a time. Some of us are going to shift altitude or frequency to see MORE of the picture, etc.

As for beings out there, I don't know how real they are until I fully experience them. So, I LOOK into them. I direct my FULL attention into them. I make sure I am NOT AFRAID! Otherwise, I would run or shut down the channel! Or worse.

There was this interesting experience I had when a friend complained about an unwanted visitor in her home. I was like 2000 miles away via a chat room, just hearing her out. From my seat at the pc, I decided to address that being in her home, whatever that may be. I treated it as an intelligent being, or a sentient being, with no agenda. I instead treated it with LOVE and WARMTH. I let it feel WELCOME, with my current reasoning that NO ONE likes the feeling of ever being UNWELCOME. All beings being alike in many respects. All creatures responding to LOVE, even your enemy LOVES at home, his kids, etc. SO, I defied convention of being fearful or feeling I need to nix out negative beings. I just gave that being the right to LIFE.  In doing that in within moments, I was bathed in the most incredible form of ecstasy throughout my body, that I gasped! WOW! Maybe that being did not feel love for so long! Like that old puppy dying to get out of the pet store window littered with shredded newspaper. FREEDOM! Someone LOVES! To this day, when someone tells me someone just died, I now attempt to LOOK, and I always get bathed in this ecstasy! WOW! It is really wonderful. Try it! It is a union of spirits! Pure LOVE!
It doesn't match anything physical here on earth, I tell you!

Why would we suppose someone is ugly, unwelcome, etc. when we don't know or give that being the benefit of the doubt? Wouldn't we like strangers to give us a chance when we encounter them for directions in a strange city? Other beings feel, just like we do!  We are all about love, we are made from love, existence was created from love.

We hate something? we are due for a good nightmare when it lurks around. So, why hate?

I think beauty is really in the eye of the beholder. If something is really ugly, let it be an opportunity to figure out who we are to proclaim something is ugly. What is ugly, what does ugly mean? How about defining the word? It is a good exercise. Is death ugly? Is the body returning to dust ugly? Is your favorite pet in its grave ugly?
Or you really understand that your pet was just released back into the spiritual realm and no longer requires the use of the physical vehicle? It really depends on how you look at the bigger picture. The bigger picture is really OUTSIDE YOUR BODY, OUTSIDE THE PHYSICAL! All this idea about disintegration being "ugly" makes one think twice.

You probably have had many bodies decay before this one you got!

And you probably visited some people in between lives, and were you welcome and did you hope for welcome treatment? It is time we change how we look at things.

Perspective!  From the other side!  YOU are that spirit too!  Those black things at foot of your bed could have been your old akashic college buddies checking up on you. Huh?

Check to be sure! Don't flinch next time! They want to talk to you. Be receptive.
#34
Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / guides, etc
January 21, 2003, 22:33:05
For Ash:

In re-reading your posts, I couldn't help being in full admiration over your youthfulness and eagerness to play a bigger role in increased awareness of the cosmos. I could say that all those opportunities were "denied" to me during my youth. I, coming out of the 1950's, (what a trip!)had to wade through the incredible beliefs of current religions and rituals, just to get to a point of complete neutrality and aloofness of any cult or practice, enough to make me RECEPTIVE to the REAL cosmos out there. In short, I lived in a world of security based on handy lies!  Just watch "Leave it to Beaver" rerun and you get the idea that it is not much different from the "Twilight Zone".  Lucky you, you are here, with Astral Pulse forums and lots of experienced people all tuned in to hear people like you. Welcome to this wonderful world of real stuff!

About what you wrote, may I suggest that for kicks, that you drop any notion that anyone is "better than you"? See how that feels. You may be a kid, but that is just a veil. You are in truth a formless awareness, with the capability of KNOWING EVERYTHING. You and I are in this DENSE matter (flesh bodies)for the duration and we communicate with each other using this matter.  What we are doing is making our awareness, that is eternal, more MANIFEST via our matter vehicle (our body and 5 senses).  What do you want to know?  Where do you want to go?  Usually, I start off not knowing what I am doing, and I just go about and feel my way through life and see what amuses me. I am playing with all my perceptions perhaps for a first time or I may be trying it all over again with a clean slate as a baby but I am sure I will be faster than my babyhood in the 1800's given the great opportunities we have today. It turned out, that I decided to become an artist painter. Only lately, I noticed I can dance and many other things that I was not taught in this life? I am becoming aware from age and all these great reminders in my environment, giving me hints everywhere, blowing the big secret!

Things are more clear today than in the 1800's. Why? because the veils were brutally stripped away by other humans for us. Some of them lost lives for us doing such. A great Persian woman named Tahirih in the 1800's lost her life discarding her veil, for women's rights. How that symbolizes what we are doing today, removing VEILS. Veils that hinder knowing, truth, Light.

Each time you ask for something, know that you are looking at a new veil, and your question is targetted at removing that veil! Millions of veils have lifted since you were born, because you directed your attention straight in front of your field of vision. You dared to question!

The strangest paradox as a spiritual being I have encountered is the sobering TAO, that ASKING implies ANSWER. They are both sides of a curtain. Don't ask, then there is no answer. Ask and you shall receive. The answer has to be there because you merely asked. Another example would be WET. That implies another duality: DRY! Neither are possible without the other. One makes the other exist!

Another strange paradox that I am becoming more aware of is that if we are created in image of God, then it must mean that we are creating, just like Him. We create thoughts! The thoughts collectively become solid over time or buildup, and we begin to walk on these thoughts. The floor you are walking on is solid, only in your frequency, but in another's frequency or viewpoint in another realm, your floor is transparent and penetrable to them! Just because they are on another channel, they can ignore your floor and use a floor that is maybe another angle slicing through your wall and your head.

So, your out of body experience is really beyond your current thought stream. It would merely require that you KNOW you are creator. IMAGINE! Imagining is a form of shooting out a unique vibration into the void. Go into it! Some will appear more solid that others. Some imaginations align with old imaginations, some are ringing a bell for others whom you might know from that realm. And they see your vibration! What joy! You are not alone! So, in closing your eyes, you shut off this earth frequency, and see what you got!  If it is black, you are looking at the back of your eyelids! Let go awhile, it becomes maybe a flicker of light, a lightshow, maybe? Change something inside you, like a feeling maybe, does it change the light show?  Or, pay attention to one emotion you noticed about yourself, indulge in it and feel it and stay there awhile, what thoughts surface? Go there, go where it seems to interest you. What you direct your attention upon is going to take you down that river.

I also found out that we go out of the body all the time in our sleep! And we didn't bother to remember them!  What I did was to practice DREAMCATCHING before I open my eyes at waking. I made it a good point or game to really catch them, and usually I did. Lately, I am recalling dreams every single day!  I got more excited then. I now keep a log.  Over the weeks of doing this, I noticed a big bonus to this:  I was an expert dreamcatcher AND an expert FREQUENCY CATCHER! It made my OBE easier and more expert!  That came to me a surprise! Mabye you could try this method!

Remember one thing: I would not use dreams to solve troubling situations at home. I would be smart to SOLVE everything around me first and that makes me a master at things. I would overcome fears around me daily as best I can. How? by realizing I am an immortal anyway, remember what I said before? I am a FORMLESS AWARENESS, an image of GOD. So why fear?  With that fearlessness, I am going to enjoy all the intense stuff in dreams and out of body experiences. I have read somewhere that things are INTENSE out there. So, may as well deal with things at home or you will see a grosser manifestation of that model in your dreams or travel. And if you are used to Fun Houses or Haunted Mansions in theme parks, then you may be ready? It is not too hard to decide that you are no longer afraid. It is part of the bigger universe that is YOU, that is supporting YOU, and the floor you stand on. If you can feel that the emotions you play inside you are going to appear in the physical forms around you. For example, "all boys hate me". That is a whole universe script you can imagine into a play. Yet we do this in real life. "I can't do anything" would manifest a rather funny picture in a movie too. Or if you decide, "Yes, I can do it, if someone can do it, so can I", that gets you on more firm footing and a better movie is played out there for you. People would respect you more. Your dreams would show it too.
Now, as you get really expert and say, "Even if it hasn't been done before, I can do it", wow, imagine what movie script shall play in view in your life! It gets more different in feel, quality, and climate.  Great people learned this trick and built magnificent cities. From their vision. And they had a dream for this firsthand! They go together. So, if you were going out there finding a guide to help you. Help you with what? You need a dream first! Then you have a question for the guide. And you are ready to take his advice! And it will happen if you are really eager to do it. And the more eager you are, the more eager the guides are. Why? because those two frequencies are close together and agreeing. If no agreement, the pieces do not connect! It is all about intensifying your beams to make things more frozen and manifest. Someone said that matter is frozen light. It takes alot to freeze something, lots of intention and wishing. And belief, and faith.  Walk away, it begins to decay slowly. Things that have most intention decay slower than things that are flimsily created. That is why you see around here things of different hardness and softnesses. All for a reason, all done by manipulated thoughts, all for purposes. Some purposes are discovered and shared by others. Things find other uses for their forms as well. Things get invented. In your out of body experiences, you are in actuality moving up higher into the backstage of creation!

Another saying that could be of help here: a Native American boy was discussing with his father Chief about his own personal discovery of himself, in that he found inside many great things like love, warmth, spirit, beauty. He also remarked that he found within some sad stuff, sorrow, wretchedness, fear, etc.. He asked his father which forces would win? GOOD or EVIL?  His father Chief responded,"The one that you feed the most!"

Your outlook in life and in the cosmos is going to reflect itself out there wherever you go, in your travels, your dreams, your encounters.
You are learning. You will find tests and they serve as opportunities of increased knowledge. More opportunities at bringing your awareness through matter back to your Higher Self. The most aware you can be, you KNOW ALL. Immersing into matter is one test the spirit chose to improve his all awareness as if it wasn't enough.

Sometimes I come to weird conclusions that a spirit as perfect as It is, can possibly be very bored and because of that, further creation is necessary. We are perhaps going to be around another infinity times infinity in this cosmos making variations of this awareness. Just to keep from being bored PERFECT. Know what happens when a human reaches some perfection? after awhile, he becomes sad at the top. He needs another game. How? start over! erase the etch a sketch or make up new game. To have a game, you need obstacles and a goal. Look at a football or hockey or soccer game. What makes a game so exciting? The difficulty? the losing? the almost winning? There are degrees of subtle differences that makes one game more exciting than another game. WE KNOW somehow.

Your out of body experiences are almost like this etch a sketch. You may find old lines and groves here and there from wear on the surface. You are going to find memories,you are going to find other things you can know about others' creations. You are a happy wanderer!
There are old creations and there are new voids of no creation but laden with possibilities!

IMAGINE! says John Lennon! That was the spirit talking! Everything around you are products of just that action, from long ago.

You are master! Really! you just forgot conveniently that you were. You wiped your old etch a sketch at birth. And because it is IMPOSSIBLE to hide things from a spirit, like you, you invariably, are going to find your ANSWERS! they are hidden pretty good so as to guarantee FUN in your adventure. How we pretend we don't know! For the sake of entertainment! We pretend we don't know, for example, the outcome of a werewolf horror movie: of course, we know the outcome! The actors get eaten! That is the typical plot of the movie! Variations prevent movies from becoming boring.

Your out of body experiences are GOING TO EXPOSE MANY OF YOUR TRUTHS BACK TO YOU!

ENJOY!  Like you, I feel like a kid! I must have deleted my etch a sketch too!  So, I guess we are guaranteed a great deal of fun and adventure in this!

You don't know? wow! that makes your game abit more thrilling this time! Just you wait! :-)
#35
Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / guides, etc
January 20, 2003, 19:52:10
Asking all kinds of guides for help and not receiving it? That is not possible!  Just discard any notions or expectations of what help is going to come. Will the guide come in a long stretched limo, etc.? Think of the cosmos as a search engine, without form. There are more formless intellgent beings including your higher self than there are physical beings that exist and anything that can catch your limted 5 sense perceptions.

Answers ARE coming, each time you ask!  Just ask very FIRMLY and very consciously. Be very sure you want this. Remember your requests. Then just go about doing your tasks and daily living. You would be amazed at how the want shall materialize, be it in form of opportunity, a book, a friend, etc.. Something is coming. It will not appear on your palm like a teleporter. Just be MINDFUL of the requests that are on hold. The seed is planted. It will just waft into your vicinity in form of opportunities and reachability. In other words, every time you asked, you just made the dream more true and more inclined to flow toward you. FAITH means to KNOW it is there when you asked, and to not give up.  You can cancel though if you changed your mind. People will say strange things to you, pay attention, because they may be bearers of your message. Or suddenly, you became so interested in a new hobby, maybe that hobby was selected by the guides to finish your request in portions. Things ADD UP. Sometimes slowly, you may need to be very AWARE how the little seemingly unrelated things coming in your space MAY be part of the request. If you are receptive to these things and taking them in, you may find yourself with parts of a WHOLE, that will come together eventually to form your original REQUEST.  It is NOT ABRACADABRA. Doesn't always work that way. It is to me more of a layering and buildup, like things become clearer when you fast forward a video, than if you saw it in slow motion. Patience and BELIEF or KNOWINGNESS and TRUST that it will happen is what you are going to need. When you SAY that the requests went unanswered, you may have dynamited the whole thing. Don't say it. Say instead the answers are coming in and I am daily receiving parts of the whole.

Also, there are other things that need to be removed from your path, like beliefs that are self limiting. Like, I am not old enough, or everyone says that, or maybe I cannot afford it.  All those things BLOCK your requests. Keep an open mind starting today. Your requests are coming, even in layers. In bits too. Then in the near future, you will look back and remember that request you made, and be thankful.

There are things that are not meant to change much, like the human form. Like "God, give me pretty legs". Those requests are fine, but in the scope of importance of things, what makes legs "pretty" and what would it take to make my legs "pretty" according to MY definition of what pretty legs are.  You would be amazed if you took a survey poll with photos of legs and find all sorts of opposing opinions. The request is being made though, in funny or hilarious ways sometimes, based upon the workability of the request.

Since childhood, I wanted to go to Hawaii.  Yet, I had with me this idea that Hawaii was very far away.  Once I got rid of that notion, feeling Hawaii was HERE, sure enough, within a year, I arrived in Hawaii, almost in tears.  Every guide helped along the way, and it was so quick once I corrected my notions about the attainability of Hawaii.  There are all kinds of forces in play here, the guides versus you with your beliefs. Change something, and you might see an improvement in things rolling better in your favor.

Guides may look entirely different from what you think they appear like, so you are not going to see them. You might however be AWARE or PERCEIVE them. We call that "feeling" as opposed to "seeing". So, the guides are everywhere. Like your search engine has the answers for you, gleaned from far away and deep in this huge haystack.

Good luck!
#36
You can download a shareware program for brainwave generator at http://www.bwgen.com  and you can get the hemi-sync CD's at Monroe Institute http://www.hemi-sync.com/  They have applets where you can sample it.
#37
As for painful buzzing, I would just accept it as part of the leaving the body and just DWELL on desired destination, then you are OUT. If it hurts so bad, the body would pull you back anyway.  In my successful case, I took an interest in the sensation and went right INTO it as if I would soak and immerse myself in water, and get used to it and feel what it is like.  Sometimes sensations are to me like a kind of "high priority message" that demands my attention because especially, it fits my general request or aspiration. One time, while awake, my third eye started to pucker and pull within, so I took that as a signal to OBE NOW! and I closed my eyes in my chair for meditation. It turned out to be the greatest OBE ever. So these sensations have peculiar messages, you only have to find out and the answer is within. Sometimes sensations are like confusing messages to the body but are really for the self to answer and respond to. The body wants to avoid, but the spirit wants to participate. So it is a sort of threshold or doorway.  The buzzing can be there also as an identifying ringer, so that you know where or what portal to go next time?  If I were you, I would welcome this exploration of the pain and go right into it again to see if it improves. This time, fully experience it and perceive more closely. If that doesn't work, I would just concentrate on the travel and not the body. Also don't forget to ask for CLARITY, or FULL AWARENESS while experiencing the pain or buzzing.  You are not afraid are you? Maybe not, but maybe this is new to the body, it is like a animal that is doing its best to make you, the Master, happy. The body will make the sacrifices for you to a limit. Just tell the body not to be afraid. And direct your attention on the realms you are visiting.  Another thing: some people's refridgerator provide clues to one's ability to address stress. If the diet is high on sugar and packaged foods, there isn't going to be much energy for any kind of travel.  I know people who just cannot enjoy flying in an airplane. I love flying. Everyone responds differently to travel. I also drive marathon, and OBE is to me TRAVEL. So there is a difference between driving in a relaxed state or a tense state. Pay attention to attitudes toward OBE. Remove notions of effort as well. Remember your first driving lesson? Remember the first time you went into the highway lane with a driving instructor? how was your body? I remember being STIFF! I was 16 back then. It is a thrill in beginning. Depends on how you look at it. Let me know if your condition improves.
#38
As for pain or sensations, I wouldn't "think" of where these pains could be coming from. My only inexperienced guess for this would be to ASK or DELIVER COMMAND while in trance or projection, like: REVEAL SOURCE OF PAIN! or WHERE IS THIS COMING FROM? This is only based upon my notion on how to handle one's fears or resisted past experiences. People tend to mistake PAIN as "you don't want to go there" and then they turn away using avoidance reflex. That does not help the existing pain go away forever. Pain is a running program! The correct reflex originally long ago was to avoid source of pain. Now that source is not in our vicinity, we just want to shut the pain down.  In astral or out of body experience, if we encounter pain, we either are visiting the source of pain or the painful incident alone and these may be two separate things in space and time. (ie. if you encountered a bully at a high school reunion, would you feel pain again?)If you contacted source in projection, you probably would have a rational discussion with the being that caused the pain long ago and expect an apology or some nice union and updated understanding or resolution offer. If on the other hand, you have contacted the region of pain and wanted to heal and close it forever, a full disclosure of event from all angles would usually resolve the pain. These are INCOMPLETE experiences awaiting closure at conscious level. All kinds of fears being overcome, I imagine, would make all our travels easier. Was this helpful?