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quote:Originally posted by James S

If anyone at all kills in the name of God, no matter whether it is the God of the christians or the God of the muslims, it is only ever man's pathetic claim that it is the "will of God" that justifies their actions. Jihads, crusades, whatever term you would use for a Holy War, is the will of men, NOT the will of God.

This has ALWAYS been the TRUTH.  There is no religion greater than truth.

Islam is not the enemy; Christianity is not the enemy; religion is not the enemy; a race of people is not the enemy.  IGNORACE IS THE ENEMY!

To assume understanding based on mere sentiments is one's own folly.  The conversation might as well switch to favorite foods and/or favorite movies, etc...

Narrow Path's question is valid.  The answer can only be gotten by understanding where mankind is on its evolutionary path.  This matter cannot be trivialized and must appear before the intellect and the spiritual organs.

Applying a materialistic view of history and adding one's sentiments will simply produce ignorance.  It's like studying the world of effects with no knowledege of the world of causes.

Once one comes to the correct understanding of what human evolution is all about (i.e. where we started; where we are; where we are headed), everything makes perfect sense- everything!

quote:Originally posted by Nerezza

Forgive me but is not the Rosicrucian brotherhood a gnostic sect of Christianity? As such it is no more a "label" than the word "protestant" or "orthodox".
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Where did I mention Rosicrucian in my post?  I did not.  It's a curiosity that you label me and my post(s) by your understanding of what Rosicrucianism is.  In fact, this is a perfect example of how/why NOT to use labels.  More precisely, you put a "Rosicrucian" label on me which limits your understanding to how you define a Rosicrucian, without knowing anything about the Order.  FYI: it's not just a brotherhood, there are women involved, too; you're sentiments are incomplete and incorrect.

I belong to quite a few organizations that I choose NOT to mention...I wouldn't want your labeling system to limit you or me.  Ergo, the limitations that you place on yourself and others is invalid.

Lazy people use labels so that they can avoid thinking and the risks of change.  However, this is a world of constant change.

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If you take it as an insult, Im afraid I take it as the literal meaning.

I do apologize however, for in the way I used it, it was a snide remark. I do not trust the gnostic orders, much like you do not trust the Catholic Church.
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I completely understand your mistrust, etc...  However, I also understand how closed mindedness toward every/any organization can limit one's understanding to mere sentiments.

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As for the age comment, I would feel offended except that there are many people younger than me on this forum who I would claim far wiser than either you or I, and I relish in it.

This statement is devoid of logic and understanding.  FYI: no one is allowed to be a Master before the age of 40- period.  There are specific reasons for this which you obviously do not understand.

The fact that you relish ignorance is indicative of your level of understanding and development.  Personally, I don't trade opinions for mere sentiments.  All the best.

quote:Originally posted by Nerezza

Oh to be a gnostic again[:I]

The application of labels limit one's understanding.  In addition, they limit the one to whom the label is "stuck on" to one's definition thereof...not wise. [B)]  Although, I have yet to meet a 22-year old who is wise...

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

Keeping to my word this is Chill's post not mine but I think it sums up what I have been trying to convey better than my original post so read up!!
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Am I to imply that you cannot speak for yourself[?]  What is it that you are trying to convey- that we should adopt your beliefs, which you cannot convey yourself?

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The first post of this thread is about a 'spirit-war'. This is something I had been (perhapse intuitively) thinking about many years ago, when I was borderline mystic - probably borderline crazy.
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Isn't it a curiosity that you mention intuition?  Are you sure you're not a mystic?  

Gee, thanks for the personal insult (i.e. borderline crazy).  Earlier in the topic, you mentioned "men with education," and now you denigrate mystics.  Who's next?  It's obvious to one who has read the Bible that you don't understand a word of it.  Jesus did NOT go around denigrating individuals this way. [B)]

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Someone might have planted some seed in my brain because tonight I did a search on 'spiritual warfare', that phrase was probably used in this thread. I hope so. In any case I see that many Christians are taking the threat very seriously and quite litterally. There are some 'ministries' and 'churches' which specialize in spiritual warfare.
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I mentioned "spiritual warfare," after you boldly infomed us that you intended to beat your ignorance into our heads.

What threat?  You are the one who threatens to respond in every which way, but TRUTH.

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Every one is looking for a groupe of people - or beings - to pull a finger at. Everyone, I mean Christians, are looking for false prophets.
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If EVERYONE is a false prophet, no more truth can come into the world- period.  That which does not move UPWARD degenerates (i.e. death).

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I have my own problems with the New Age Dogma.
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You certainly do.  In fact, you don't even understand your own dogma correctly. [:I]

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3 problems, mainly. Number uno : emphasis on the ego, the dogma is very egotistical, and from my experience much of the hell we experience on this earth is caused by our ego ;
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Yes, you are correct.  The Ego/I ("I AM") is very egotistical.  

We are supposed to be learning to develop it properly.  It stands to reason that those who are at a lower level of development are having problems with it.  For example, one who only looks to exploit others  (as opposed to service; what they can do for others) for their own good has a definite ego problem that can matriculate in many different ways.  Without wisdom, these problems are expected.

FYI: the ego/I is mentionend explicitly in the Lord's Prayer ("but deliver us from evil)", however, one must study the Christian Mysteries to gain understanding.

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Number two : wishful thinking, how one can create his own reality by 'positive thinking' alone.
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You moved from "wishful thinking" to "positive thinking."  These words have two different meanings.  You're not trying to deceive us, are you? [}:)]

Jesus saw the good in EVERYTHING.  Why don't you? [:I]

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Problem 3 : relativism of 'good' and 'evil', nothing is bad or good, we only are either in a place of LOVE or fear, poor sense of moral ethics. Not that it promotes any sort of evil-doing, mind you. Maybe I will talk more about this.
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Please don't talk more about this...I could hardly make sense of what you just stated.  [V]

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Here is some interesting info. I would like to get your feedback on this. That would help me. Thank you.
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What is your intent?  Do you seek understanding in these matters or have you already made up your mind about all of it?  The pursuit of wisdom will enable you to explain it all- not another's opinion.  After all, this is what Jesus advises.

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ps : From what I have seen, Rael is nothing but a clown. But I don't know THAT MUCH about his cult.

Any thoughts ?
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Once again, WISDOM is the key!  One tells a tree by the fruit.  It is not what I think about it; it's what you think about it. I sense that you're overwhelmed by the whole lot of it and cling to that which has only material backing (i.e. materialist).  A Spiritual book has to be understood via the Spirit! [^]

FYI: deceit also exists within material issues...you're going to have to face up to it at one point or another.  Acquiring wisdom will enable YOU to sort it all out.  In fact, this is what Jesus advises ("Wise as the serpent; gentle as the dove").  Without it, you're like a ship being tossed about in the sea.

[NOT FEAR DEATH]

quote:Originally posted by travelinbob

I believe that one thing we should all learn in the practice of OBE, AP, meditation, and many of the stuff being taught in this website is to NOT FEAR DEATH. We should also not fear living either. But my whole point is: So what if the world ends? Its not like its the end of the universe, which is our real home. This earth is just a piece of turf we tread on. Even if this 2012 deal is not like one of the many dates given before for the end of the world that tdid not happen, you should be OK if you are seeking your spirituality.

I believe we should not fear death. The spiritual knowledge we all look for in our different paths, practices and methods should lead us towards the happines of not fearing death!! [] Without this fear, our short lives are a lot sweeter. If death is the worst thing that can happen, SO WHAT!! If our path is good we should be fine when an asteroid hits, or floods come in, or when poles shift.

STOP FEARING DEATH SO YOU CAN ENJOY LIFE!!!
BE MORE POSITIVE!!!
BE HAPPY!!

I concur.  The fear of death alone can kill!

"The more I die, the better I live."

The more I die, the better I live. []

It's like...getting out of one car and getting into another.

Having a vision is one thing; understanding it is another.  Many people are in a hurry to "see" something.  Who is to say that they'll understand it?  This is why the Mystery Schools prepared their students BEFORE the went "out and about."

The formula appears to be that people want to be well-developed, but they don't want to work toward it...kind of like playing a musical instrument.

If 10 people see something in the Spiritual world, you'll typically get 10 different opinions.  If we send 10 reporters to a scene, we'll get 10 stories- similar, different, etc...  As is above, so is below.

The Spiritual world is NOT trivial.  It takes a lot of work to gain understanding.  As one gains understanding, one cannot typically be understood by those who have not approached the topic.

quote:Originally posted by FistOfFury

Isn't praying kind of like meditation? [/br]

If you say that it is...

FYI: I am not being sarcastic. []

The "handles" that we use to describe Spiritual matters sometimes make the appearance of conflicting statements.  The effects that we attempt to describe depend on our understanding of the world of causes.  Ergo, one who understands the world of causes more thoroughly, would tend to explain the same phenomena differently.

Personally, I have found that many of the handles that I exchange with my Indian friends have the same underlying meaning(s).  I often find it necessary to define the terms and proper names so that we stay on the same page.  Once we get by that, we can share what we already have in common.

quote:Originally posted by Mustardseed

 The problem we have is that we get lazy we do not accept the fact that these Negs (spirits)have inroad through these things, they weaken us and we throufgh this ignorance lay ourselves open for these things.

Herein lies the key- we are affected by our ignorance. [^]  It is not an idividual, a race of people, or a country that is bad- IGNORANCE is the enemy.  When we understand this and bring it to life, we'll stop waging war out of ignorance.  In the interim, we'll reap what we sow...

Human beings are lazy in thought.  However, the ancestor to every action is a thought.  If one is lazy in thought; one is lazy in deed.

It is important to understand that we are affected by what we have done in the past, too.  In the same way that tomorrow is a continuation of today, this life is a continuation of our previous lives.  "Born-agains" don't believe this, but nature tells us this is true.  This is an irony of ironies...

quote:Originally posted by LA FORET MAUVE

well, i don't know...humm but... just my opinion there:
why do you think there is "Negs" responsibles of our bad actions, lazyness, alcoolic behaviours etc ? I mean, isn't it a way to deny our responsabilities ? Aren't we the only responsibles of our acts ?

[^], this is correct.  In the same way, we are responsible for our dreams.  Nobody is doing it to us- we are doing it all.

Our IGNORANCE of universal laws causes us much pain.

The spirits who put things in our way only make us stronger...the more I die, the better I live.

quote:Originally posted by Fat_Turkey

I guess the only thing I'm frustrated with is that I'll never be as big a leader as Buddha, Jesus, or Ghandi. People and their egos will strut around until we're all dead for all I can see. I just haven't really developed a love of all people

Actually, you can!  However, it might not come to fruition in this lifetime.  FYI: everything is by degrees.  Nature (evolution) tells us this is so.

After the ego is developed, we'll work on something else.  There is ALWAYS something to work on in a world of constant change.  We don't develop, until we're dead. We constantly develop (i.e. before/after death).

One might say that you haven't developed a love of all people, YET.

quote:Originally posted by beavis

DjM "Heaven is not a place- more materialism."

I dont know what else to call it. If it exists, it would of course be a mental state.

Now, you're on the right path. []

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"It is more correct to view these souls as underdeveloped, in the same way that the animal kingdom is less developed than we are;"

I view them that way, but I can still laugh at them. Lots of things that arent normally considered funny can be funny. Pull that stick out of your butt. hehehe hehehhehhhehehehhe hehehhehe hehehehe yeah buttknocker hehehehhehe </stupid beavis laugh>

No need to be vulgar.  The one who laughs last is usually the dumbest one on the block.  [:I]

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"the Angellic kingdom is higher than we are."

They probably laugh their asses off at the stupid stuff I do. I dont care.

Perhaps, they don't care either.  After all, you don't.  It is important to understand that the Angellic Kingdom possesss an intelligence that we have to work for.  Ergo, they would not be apt to laugh at another's folly. [B)]

quote:Originally posted by eomaia

DjM, do you have personal experience that same-sex intercourse is always only for sensual gratification?  Should a sterile human never have sex?

Thank you all for everything.

If one can not use sex for procreation (i.e. same sex), one can only have sense gratification in mind.  Why else would one indulge in the act for any combination?

A human should do as they choose, but choose wisely.  This is true for everything...

Oh, ya Big Fat Turkey- it does not!  (just joking [)])  

Humanity is NECESSARY.

Most of what you pointed at within your post represents the human Ego, which is now on its own.  I certainly don't discard the examples themselves, however, I do choose to look at the positive side of this phase of our evolution.  FYI: negative thoughts can cause health problems.

I AM certain that you'll figure this "ego thing" in a more positive way as you develop. I AM! []

The ONLY problem with evolution is that it's not understood properly!  A materialist sees only the PHYSICAL body and attempts to explain evoltion via PHYSICAL limitations.  This, of course, leaves most of the Spiritual aspects out of the equation.

Nobody is commenting on the other bodies...as though they don't exist.  It is here that much of evolution's work is being focussed on!  How is one's Astral body different today?

The monkey is a human being who stayed back in evolution!  This is why materialistic thinking scientists have not made sense of it all.  In addition, they don't understand how the Hierarchies play a role in our development.  This makes anything that is proposed- incomplete AND incorrect.

Everything in form degenerates.  We have assumed different forms in every stage of our evolution.  However, evolution occurs exceedingly slowly.  Ergo, these changes are not noticed, by design.

FYI: there are many "secrets" concerning evolution that are ONLY divulged to those "on the path."  It is wise to learn of the Spiritual world by degrees...

quote:Originally posted by DjM


It is obvious that you have not come to an understanding of what sex is intended for.

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What is sex intended for?

Sex is intended for procreation, of course.

quote:Originally posted by DjM


FYI: there is a tradeoff of energies when they are expended for sensual gratification.  One approaches these matters as one moves upward.

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77
Could you elaborate? I am not suggesting expending any energy but instead retaining it, transforming it, and using it for your own benefit such as to give you more energy and used for your own health. It can also be shared if you so choose.

Surely!  For example, the time one spends thinking about sex (i.e. making it better and better and better...which is only perspective, of course) could be used toward more constructive uses (your call).  How would you own concentration be improved, if you did not think about sex to the degree that you imply?  Now, translate the time one spends involved in that activity itself...

If one were to pie-chart one's thoughts and activities, what percentage would be depicted by sex?  What's the trade-off?

If one has a weakness for sex, one is limited by this weakness to that degree.  If someone else wanted to "set you up," all they have to do is put sex in your way.

FYI: I was pointing to a relationship between the abstention of the sex act (thought and deed) and the inner development of the human being.  There is a direct relationship that most people would not like to know about.  The details are up to you.

quote:Originally posted by Spirit_k9

I think it's worse than that actually. Everywhere you look all you see is people striving toward lemming-hood, wether it be religion, politics,  television, or even fast food.

....and where do lemmings usually end up?

They stay behind in evoltion.  [:O]

A monkey is actually a human being who stayed back in evolution and NOT and advanced animal.  There are those who keep up with evolution and those who do not.  By telling people what they want to hear, one can sell anything!  Add some flattery, and they'll be back for more...[B)]

quote:Originally posted by RJA

Well put DjM.

I recently read "Fast Food Nation" which describes how fast food has transformed our culture over the last half-century.  And although it was clear that the entire process was insidious it was also clear that it was a manifestation of our values, - i.e. our societal values gradually made real.  We wanted cheap, convenient and tasty - and we got it.  But we close our eyes to the downside - the labor abuses, unhealthy effects of eating it, poor treatment of animals, etc.

What you describe is similar I think.  We (at least Americans) value things that are superficial and materialistic and over time our values shape the institutions around us, - governments, schools, churches, etc. so that they parrot back to us what we really want to hear.  Be a productive citizen, drive a nice SUV, don't think too deeply, don't ponder things, don't color outside of the lines - just go with the program and we'll all be happy.  And don't worry about spiritual development, we've got you covered - just pick from among any of these nice, innocuous churches and you'll go to Heaven when you die.

I concur.  In fact, we have been in agreement on a few other posts.  Kindred spirits? []

quote:Originally posted by Spirit_k9

Very good DjM []
Now, if you want the average producee from American skool systems of late to understand it, you're going to have to dumb it down.....waaaaaaaayyyyy down. [xx(]

Point. [)]

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

I am dealing with people here that DO NOT accept Christ as the Saviour.

I AM tolerating one who does not possess understanding.  Personally, I DO NOT accept your ignorance. [)]

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You are all under the control of the Devil or the Serpent. The Serpent is a liar and you need to reject his false dreams.

Phrased like a true materialist.  When one interprets a Spiritual book materialistically, one is bound to fall into error. [xx(]

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I speak of the devil much on this site because that is the spiritual state you are in. That of servitude to sin and the Devil. Quite simple.

Your retort is incomplete and incorrect (i.e. GOO!).  Your sentence structure depicts that you do not assemble your thoughts completely and correctly.  The fact that you do not recognize this and fix it, represents that you are ignorant, lazy, and disrespectful toward the Word.  Quite simple. [B)]

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If you are not for Christ you are against Him.

I AM all for Christ.  I do not subscribe to you points of view, as they are baseless. [:I]

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That is why I have to beat it into your heads about Satan.

This is called Spiritual warfare.  More precisely, you are raging war on our spirits...shame and a sin.  The least you could do is get your facts straight!  (You do owe that to us)

Ah, you intend to beat Satan into our heads.  No kidding!  Yikes!  ...pa rum-pa-pa-pum... [V]

FYI: you wouldn't have to "beat anything into anyone's head," if you possessed the wisdom that Jesus spoke of continuosly throughout the Bible.  IGNORACE is NOT a substitute for WISDOM.

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Mediumship
Meditation
Projecting
Talking to the dead
Spells

There is good and evil in this world.  "As is above, so is below."  Surely you can work with this? [:O]

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All this and more that you "preach" here is false teaching and must be stood up against with the Truth. I have said enough here and the seed of Truth is now in your minds.

Are you casting a spell on us? [}:)]

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Whether you continue to follow occult practices and the lies of Satan is your deal.

The Bible is an occult book.  It contains many references to occultism (i.e. that which is beyond the 5 senses).  At least Satan doesn't beat IGNORANCE into our heads!  Satan despises ignorance, too.  Perhaps, that's why he picked you to be his poster boy? []

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Christ wil never forsake you and Loves you all but the day will come when the Book of Life is closed. Are you sure you are going to be included. I Hope so.

Hang on, let me leave my body; go to Akashic (i.e. The Book of Life) and check for myself.  Yup- there I am!  How about yourself? [?]

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Believe in Jesus!!!!

However, do not believe in Allanon!!! [^]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

Jesus taught love and compassion. Where's the love man? All you need is love.

Love does not work without UNDERSTANDING.  In order to acquire understanding, one must seek WISDOM.  Logic and wisdom are the tools of the trade for Spiritual investigators.

Buddha taught love and compassion, too.  In fact, there is NOTHING that the Buddha taught that conflicts with the teachings of Jesus.  Jesus came to this world to die- period.  His death enabled his etheric body to merge with our world making the future possible.  Most of his teachings were already spoken of before he came, by design.

I would change the phrase, "All you need is love," to, "All you need is love AND understanding." []

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

Being Born Again is like waking up in a jungle full of tigers and you are a marmot!! Things that before I would have embraced have turned to bitter poison. People I once admired I now see as slaves. There is a question that many have had about the Born Again experience.

We're all BORN again...and again, and again.  Why do you describe your situation as "you against the world?"  This speaks volumes!

EVERYONE is born again.

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What if I leave the Faith and stop believing in Jesus? Am I still saved?

THE faith...as though ONLY YOUR beliefs are correct.  This is what alienates your responses from the forum.  You are essentially condemning everyone else.  Jesus didn't condemn...

I don't believe that you understand what "saved" means.

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If you are Truly Born Again than you WILL NOT leave Christ and He will not leave you. It is hard to explain but I will never give up the Word after all my searching. It is the Only Way out of this "Matrix" or "Maya" if you will. The Devil is always one step ahead of you and Only the Saviour will let you see past the serpents illusions.

This view is not consistent with what Jesus taught His disciples.  It lacks proper understanding.  In fact, this view is consistent with the East, which believes that the material world is maya and the Spiritual world is  ideology.  Are you sure you don't study Buddhism?  You certainly make that impression by you comments...not that it's bad, but it is contradictory pertaining to your other posts and statements.  The TRUTH is that we gain our experiences in the material world.  You don't appear to understand this.  As a result, you mislead other via your ignorance.  If you are going to place Bible quotes in people's face, they ought to be understood correctly and pertaining.  

The serpent represents wisdom!  This is why Jesus told us that we must be as wise as the serpent.

You appear to be focussed on the Devil in most of your posts.  This is not good!  How does the "Saviour" let you see, if your Spiritual eyes are not open?  In fact, you condemn everyone on this board for attempting to open theirs.  What curiosity?

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Please dont trust this world and men with PHD's. They are the gatekeepers and keep you in ignorance in order to be worshipped as gods.

You have just claimed that "men" with education are not to be trusted. It is ignorance alone that keeps us where we are.  You should know.  You plant it all over this site as though you understand it all...shame and a sin.  FYI: we are responsible for what we say!

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Trust in Christ. He is the Divine Child of the Universe that can never leave the state of Innocence. He is valued by God above all others. He will never fall. The Alpha and the Omega. You will not go wrong if you believe in His Perfect Name.

You have no idea what Alpha and Omega mean.  Yet, you preach to others as though it's second nature.

Allan- you have no understanding and condemn everyone, isolating them and the world from you.  NOW, who's being controlled by the Devil?  (One tells the tree by the fruit)  After all, you (by your own words) appear to be pre-occupied with the Devil.  Nobody else is tauting his name, etc... except to alleviate your ignorance.

Angels represent a specific place within the Hierarchy.  It is important that we understand the Hierarchy and learn how to relate to these exhaulted beings.  Classifying every exalted being as an Angel in entirely incorrect.

The Spiritual beings known as "Angels" relate to human evolution differently than Archangels, Powers, etc...  More precisely, they each have a role in evolution- their own and ours.  This is similar to our relationship to the mineral, plant and animal kingdoms.

My original post was intended to help those who wish to have a relationship with their guardian Angels.  Most people believe that these Spiritual beings will have a relationship with us regardless if we choose to have one with them- wrong!

Personally, I choose not to look at any member of the Hierarchy as a concept.  They are living beings.  NOTHING in this world/universe would work without them.

The Bible mentions every member of the Hierarchy, but most people are ignorant of this.  They don't understand that PRINCIPALITIES, POWERS, and MIGHTS are living beings who have specific tasks within evolution...just like we do.

Actually, these Mysteries have been uncovered.  However, they are only taught to initiates.  More specificaly, those who are on the path are taught well; those who are not, possess only strong sentiments and dim feelings.

These Mysteries go back a LOT further than 500,000 years!  We are not speaking simply about the Earth evolution when we refer to these beings or the evolution of mankind.

quote:Originally posted by Dracovulpes

what happends to animal like dogs when thay die.
where do thay go, do we ever see them again.?  

In order to understand any answer to this question, one must understand the relationship between the mineral, plant, animal, and human kingdoms.  In addition, there are kindoms above us (i.e. the Hierarchies) that opperate within the same paradigm.

The diffrenece between the animal and the human being is that the animal does not have an EGO; it is controlled by the group spirit.  I will leave the details up to the serious student.

Animals are our younger brothers, as are the plants and minerals.  The truth is: we can see everyone again.  Animals dream similarly to the way that we do, as they also have an astral body.

One would be best served to understand what ths EGO/I is all about.  This deserves serious study.

On the evolutionary scale it is possible for animals to pass some human beings by!  The strict materialist is a prime candidate.  The whole concept of planet of the apes is NOT far-fetched.  FYI: a monkey is NOT a more well-developed animal; it is a less developed human (i.e. stayed behind).  Those who are unable to raise themselves to the level of Spiritual thoughts are in danger of affecting their development.

Materialism is not evil, per se.  However, an UNBALANCED approach to the material world (i.e. thinking ONLY in terms of material things; being unable to relate the Hierarchies to phenomenon; etc...) will lead one in the wrong direction.  It is necessary that one understand that there is a Hierarchy of Spiritual beings whom make everything possible- not just to accept this notion, but to understand the process of how they work in everything we do and be able to bring it to life.

I AM nothing without the mineral, the plant, the animal, other humans, and the Hierarchies.  I love you all. []