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OK well that helps. I would be curious what the opinion of one that has been to the height of the psychedelic experience, and also astral projected naturally a bit would have to say on the differences between them. I know I've heard some people say the only way to go is all in 100 percent. But that might cause a very hellish experience for some on their first, use which is not good. Meaning getting the breakthrough as they call it is what you really want in the psychedelic experience, and I don't think you reached that yet.

Lastly I think it's a little out of context to call astral projection "far superior" to psychedelics if you haven't gotten a breakthrough experience with psychedelics yet. As we need to compare apples with apples, and oranges with oranges here. To be honest even if you had a couple of breakthroughs we might still be comparing apples and oranges but it would be better than you not having any breakthrough. I'm just trying to keep things real.

How do you know if I had a "breakthrough" experience or not? Just curious. There are also what I would call "breakthrough" experiences in AP for sure. I think you have to be careful when attempting to judge the value of other people's experiences, it's best to stick with your own. I'm trying to express my opinion about psychedelics which is based on my experiences only. Other's may have different ones based on theirs.

Yet your experiences and opinion is adds some value here, thanks for sharing.

Thanks, that's kind of you.

It might help to start with the concept that everything in our reality is a manifestation of consciousness, that's my opinion. Intention is the driving force behind the manifestation. To me, intention is a combination of will and desire. Intention puts a desire into action, but learning to activate it is not that easy sometimes. I think it's something that can only be learned by doing it.

I've only done LSD, so can't comment on others. And no, I haven't visited ETs or gone to heaven, either on LSD or in AP. From what I've read, DMT seems to be the most like Astral Projection and in fact we may be tripping on it when we are doing AP since we are probably producing it naturally. A good read on this is "The Spirit Molecule" by Rick Strassman. His theory is that our Pineal Gland produces DMT and we are tripping on it at times. Many people have disagreed with him basically calling him a quack. But last year they found DMT in the Pineal Glands of mice so he could be right.

I don't advocate using Psychedelics, but they have a place for sure. In my opinion, the value of an experience is what you can take back from it. How it helps you or someone else. I know that high doses of Psychedelics will give you a more intense experience, but I think there's a lot of value to having all your faculties perfectly intact, being in control, etc. When I visit these alternate realities, I want to make sense out of it and also to have clear memories of the experience. If I can't handle it which happens from time to time, I can come back instantly. In AP, I get the experiences I need and am ready for. That's most important to me.  

Psychedelics have been used since the beginning (whenever that was) so I think it is foolish and rather ignorant to discount their validity. My only issue with them is that not everyone uses them in a safe manner, especially kids ( and by kids I mean teens). It's difficult to navigate one reality safely with all your senses. Dull those senses and throw in another reality or two with some dumb advice to boot and it can get ugly.

I'm aware that there aren't many deaths attributed to kids "tripping" but it happens and there are other dangers as well. I had a friend that drove while he was on shrooms and he hit a culvert head-on at eighty miles an hour. Unfortunately for him, he lived but his sober sister died. He's had eight reconstructive surgeries to his face alone and it's still hard to look at him for more than a couple of seconds. Yeab, I know everyone has a "friend" that helps them prove a point but sometimes it happens to be true.

Many teens read and use this site so I like to keep it real for them.

But yes, psychedelics do have their place.

I'm not doubting the validity of them, but having done both I can say that my experiences with Astral Projection are far superior. I don't think most people have experienced a really high-end AP/OBE. If could just take people there, we wouldn't need to have this conversation. But of course AP is more difficult to achieve and less intense. But it is a completely separate alternate reality that can be experienced without distortion in the same way you experience waking life. You are completely coherent, visuals are sharp. All your sense are sharp. You can think clearly and evaluate the experience while it's going on. You can remember the details clearly and able make decisions in real time. One problem with psychedelics is the distortions. You do LSD and you are the same room, but you see the walls melting for example. The colors are wild and swirling, but it's more like a fantasy that's out of control. With a really good AP, the walls are normal (and touchable down to the bumps in the surface), it's just that you are in a different building altogether. For me, psychedelics let me know that it was possible to experience an alternate reality, but there is better way to have the experience. After the experiences I've had so far in the Non-physical, I can't even imagine going back to using psychedelics. It would be a huge disappointment.

I see this all the time where a Christian or especially an ex-Christian gets an NDE, and they go to hell or heaven, and they come back totally convinced the bible is real with all it's propaganda and baggage. And they claim emphatically the bible is real. All of it. This is bad for spiritual growth. So for instance in this NDE I posted below she commits suicide, goes to hell, then this loving light comes, and then she is back in her body, and calls 911. So she survives. Then she automatically goes to the traditional religion she knows best and thinks. OMG bible is absolutely real. And then they repent and continue the narrow minded view of spirituality. Christians can't grow fundamentally past a certain point. I recently talked about this to my friend and I pointed out that christians can only grow to a certain point, and then they get this ceiling effect in their growth. The reason is their bible can never add anything to it, or take anything out, as revelation says.

I think all belief systems, not just Christianity will limit your spiritual growth at some point. I'm talking about fixed belief systems (typically they are). NDEs are another form of AP, but of course with a focus on the afterlife which makes them different from the average AP. I have experienced many elements of the typical NDE in my APs. Spirits guides, meeting relatives that have passed on, going through the void, tunnel, incredible scenery, surreal cities, etc.

So what I am really trying to point out here is that you must be very careful in reading christian NDEs. And think critically about them. All NDEs need some critical thinking. There are many NDEs that contradict each other, but from understanding astral projection you come to realize that some of these NDEs are totally created in the mind of the beholder. Or they were just made up to get money. I don't try to totally believe in just one NDE, or a set of them, but I take a look at the whole picture, and see what are the similarities. And we learn that the type of NDE depends on the beliefs of the person. And this is confirmed with astral projection to a degree.

A lot of the Christian NDEs tend to confirm their already established belief system so you have to take them with a grain of salt. This is why it's best to go into any Astral Projection without belief system baggage. Otherwise you just end up projecting your belief system and then reading it back to yourself. It's what you might call a self-fulfilling prophecy. Just like you are saying, you have to look at whole picture and when you do NDEs have a very common description of the after-life.  

And I have my theories about all this too, since it's possible that DMT, and other psychedelic tryptamines are released during NDEs, which might make the NDEs more centered around their beliefs, even if they are out of their body. This is where psychedelic research is good to know. Since if you understand more fully how psychedelics work it may help in some ways in understanding the NDE.  I am not totally convinced that all NDEs have nothing to do with the brain. I know many people here don't think psychedelics have anything to offer, but if you read the testimonies of things like DMT and Iboga and the like, its absolutely stunning what they report. We are not talking about hard drugs like heroin and crack cocaine here. We are talking about psychedelic spiritual molecules and plants, that alter reality for a short time, and at high enough doses they can show you the height of heaven, or the depths of hell. Though the hells are rare, there are ways to prevent the hellish ones, and ways to make bad trips easier. But most all experiences of bad trips and trips to hell report coming out a better person in the end. And psychedelics have been known to cause you to astral project, and talk to extraterrestrials in the heavenlies. If you read trip reports I must say that we are multidimensional beings, so any confusion about being in the body or out of the body or in two places at once is all in the realm of possibility.

I have been impressed with some of the DMT trip reports I've read, they definitely are projecting. But one of problems with substances like DMT is like Tom Campbell says: "You don't want to blast yourself into the non-physical reality". Especially when you can get there in a much more manageable way naturally. Judging by the experiences I've had in the non-physical with AP, I really don't see how you could add to them. They are 100% real, alternate realities that can be experienced by all of your senses without any distortion and full consciousness. How do you top that?

Yeah that sounds extremely fundamentalist, and narrow minded. I'm not really sure what to suggest to you other than talk to her, and maybe get her into NDEs which would help open her mind. There are Christian NDEs to draw christains into NDE's and higher truths. Hey Christian NDEs is what lead me to higher spiritual truths.

I must say that NDEs have opened my mind a lot and have had quite an influence on my spiritual life. My favorite is Nanci Danison's because she shares so many details and a lot of it I have also experienced during AP. Unlike the world's major religions, NDEs share so many common elements, yet their consistencies span the length of recorded history, all age groups, cultures, nationalities, races, religious beliefs, you name it. There is a theory that all of the major religions have gotten much of their basic theology from NDEs. That wouldn't surprise me. These are basically eye witness testimonies vs. someone's book that was written a thousand years ago. If a thousand people say, "hey I went there, and this is what happened" and then you look at their testimony, and they have 95% agreement, you have to give some credibility to what they are saying. For example, almost every NDE experiencer says there was no judgement. So you have the fundamentalist Christians saying there is judgement based on the bible, but then all of these people who went there and reported what happened. The Christians say, "Oh they were all being deceived by the devil" or whatever. But of course anyone who disagrees with them has been deceived.

I try to avoid getting into debates, usually no one's mind gets changed. Besides, they are generally very negative and end up bringing down my energy level. I am of the conviction that when people are ready to see the truth, they will see it. I believe it's a Japanese saying that says: "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear".

I just try to encourage people to think for themselves and learn to trust their own judgement. That's all they need to do really. They will find the truth. For some, it may take a very long time from the short perspective of our lives here.

The worst part about the brainwashing they attempt to do is scare people away from thinking for themselves. We all have a built-in ability to know the truth if we seek it, without the help of anyone telling us. So in order to get us believe these lies, they have to keep reinforcing them because if you are left on your own, your intuition will eventually let you know that they are not true. All you have to do is listen to it and stop blocking it out.

Yikes, that must have been an uncomfortable conversation lol. At least for me it would be, I get so uneasy around fundy's because I know how judgmental and critical they are. But I love that you told them "no, not really" LOL that probably shocked them.

I was a little nervous, but fairly confident mainly because I have really thought about it a lot. It's taken me many years to deprogram myself. The fear of judgment and hell really slowed down my ability to change. But getting back to the Christian heaven, talking to them made me think about it even more. With all the fear when I was into Christianity, especially about demons, evil, etc. the Christian heaven would have probably been the only place I could go and feel safe. I would expect a mono-culture there of like minded entities so no chance for any negative influences. But then they have to stay within the confines of this construct and probably would be too afraid to venture out beyond it for fear of the evil spirits lurking beyond it's borders. And everyone there would be reinforcing that idea, no dissenters. I would imagine getting out of it at that point would be pretty difficult. So there's the trade-off. They have security and safety, but they are not really free.

So I was really prepared to answer her question and explained why I wouldn't go there, although I should be able to. But this is why we really need to work through our fears in this life. Speaking from my own experience, fear is what drives a lot of people to give up their freedom and become slaves of one kind or another.

Man that does make a lot of sense. I can definitely attest to having lived that way for a long time, letting my belief system keep me from accepting the reality I experienced. Although thankfully I was never a fundamentalist type Christian (railing against homosexuality, believe in an angry God, hell, rapture, etc). I always had problems with hell, the rapture and all the other weird doctrines Christianity teaches. I never believed in them but I didn't know what I DID believe in.

I tried to believe in these things, because I was supposed to, but not sure I really did deep down. You try to make yourself believe it, but end up being conflicted. I was just thinking about it today. They were always saying things like "Well you can't trust your own judgement, but of course you can trust everything WE tell you and you don't question it! It's so easy, just swallow this belief system whole like a big pill. Everything you need is right in this book called the bible. It tells you exactly what to believe and think about everything. You don't have to think about anything!" 

Me: Is there any chance you could be wrong about this belief? Are you open to the possibility of being wrong?

Them: No. It says so in God's Word.

Was on a flight recently and had a conversation similar to this with a fundy Christian couple sitting next to me. We were talking about heaven and   
hell, etc. I told them that I thought Christians would have their own version of Heaven, which would basically closed off to anyone who hadn't chosen Jesus. And they could believe anything they wanted about other people going to hell, and just assume that if you didn't make it there, you went to the "Other" place. Of course they would never really know. I told them that I had also made the same choice they did to believe in Jesus, so unless they believed you could lose your salvation, I could also show up there if I wanted. The woman said with a sad face, "But don't you want to go to our heaven?" "No" I answered, "Not really" Then I asked them. What if someone said to you "What you are believing is not true, come and I can will show you. Would you listen to them?" And they said no they wouldn't. Because they already know the truth and it's in the bible. Very sad. Made me so glad I was not into that any more.

That is encouraging to hear, as I find myself in pretty much the same place. Only I've just come out of Christianity back in August of 2013, after 24 years of being a dedicated and devout Christian. So I am very new to all of this still and even though I am convinced almost everything about Christianity is false and warped, I still find myself missing it. I miss the comfort of it, the certainty of it, the familiarity of it. So I've wondered if certain things I might encounter in the Astral plane might shock me a bit. I do consider myself to having a completely open mind, in the sense that I'm not looking for anything specifically or for any belief to be confirmed, just to have the experience.

But out of curiosity, can you give me any examples of times you found it "difficult to accept what you experienced"?

What I find to hard accept in the Non-Physical doesn't really have anything to do with Christianity specifically, but with "belief" in general. My experiences in the Non-Physical have seriously challenged my belief in the Physical World. Belief in the Physical World is the biggest belief system of all. It's easy to look at the Physical World as this sort of absolute and concrete universe. It appears to be a completely separate entity with it's own set of fixed properties, dependable, predictable, etc. It's been taught to you all your life, you also make your own observations and develop a belief system based on that even though you don't realize it. Everyone else is doing it to so you have lots of reinforcement. But then you visit the Non-Physical and, if you can have the full experience, you find out that everything you have experienced in the physical can be replicated down to the smallest detail. After repeated visits there, you learn that you are not capable of detecting the difference. You experience that first-hand, not just listen to someone telling you that. This sets up a conflict between the reality you are experiencing and your Physical World belief system which you weren't aware that you had in the first place. You can no longer just accept that the Physical World is "real" in the way you thought. On the one hand, you start to experience an incredible freedom, one you can't even describe. On the other there is the loss of the familiar, the comfortable, the secure. I know for sure that I wasn't ready for this until recently, certainly not when I was a fundamentalist Christian.

I once knew a psychologist who talked about a concept he called the "map of reality". He explained how we create the map of reality which we use to navigate through our lives here. There is a cycle of constant evaluation and change that occurs. Often what triggers a change is what he called "life crisis" events. These are events that occur in your life that force you to "remake" your map of reality. This is kind of a more extreme example, but suppose you didn't believe in life after death. Then a relative that recently died shows up in front of you one day and talks to you. That forces you at a minimum to evaluate your map. You might just go into denial and not change your map. But of course that would become more difficult if these experiences continued to happen. It can make you confused and insecure at a minimum if you don't remake your map. This is why belief systems are detrimental. They make it hard for you to accept the reality you actually experience. Jesus talks about this in the parable of the wine and wine skins, it's right there in the bible.

So this is what I'm talking about when I say it's difficult to accept. We don't realize how much we have "invested" into our Physical World beliefs until they are seriously challenged.  My opinion is that the more you get through this now, the easier the transition will be when we leave this world and go into the next one. In reality, there is a inherent conflict between security and freedom. This is why it makes complete sense to me that in the next phase there will places set up for those who are not willing or able to give up their comfort and secure belief systems.

Thanks for the advice. Nice to meet another ex-Christian. I don't meet many of us lol. One of the first things I want to do when I learn to AP is actually to talk with Jesus Christ. Or the being who was once Jesus Christ of our world. I am fascinated by Him, His super-advanced consciousness for the primitive world he lived in. And most of all I want to know what His life was REALLY like. Alot has been written about Him in an attempt to make Him appear to be God and satisfy the Jewish atonement system. But the earliest writings of Him, ie gospel of Thomas, Mary, and synoptic gospels do not have any suggestion of these things. So I'd like to know if He was REALLY crucified, resurrected, etc. Maybe even get to see scenes from His real life. That would just be amazing to have some of these burning questions answered about my favorite human being who ever lived.

I'm another ex-Christian. I recently got together with one of my friends from those days when I was really into it. We were in a weekly prayer group together, but hadn't seen each other for around 10 years. He had gotten even more into being a completely devoted Christian whereas for me, I have gone away from that belief system, and especially the fear, judgment, heaven/hell etc. I feel these beliefs are limiting to ones spiritual growth. And I can, for the first time, tell someone like him that I am no longer a Christian. It takes a lot of courage for me to do it, because there is still a little fear there.

My thinking is that people who have such strict belief systems will need to go somewhere that accommodates them in the afterlife. From my own point of view, when I was really into Christianity, there is absolutely no way I could have been able to handle what I've experienced in AP. It's already difficult for me to accept what I experience there sometimes, even without such a rigid belief system. It took me years to completely unwind my "investment" into the Christian belief system and there is no way I would have been ready back then for AP, especially with the fear of evil and demons, etc. that I had.

It's really best to go into the non-physical reality with nothing but a completely open mind, ready to just take in the experience and see the truth for yourself. And also work on overcoming as much of your fear as possible. You need to be flexible so you can bend and not break when your eyes get opened.

I haven't had an OBE yet although I'm pretty close. I was wondering, for those of you who are experienced in having these, how real do they seem? When you leave your body and look around your room, fly to other dimensions etc, is it just as real as waking reality? Is it just as real and vivid as "real life", or is it more dream like?

Thanks!

It's truly unbelievable. There's really nothing dream-like about it really. Dreams are more like a vapor, a fuzzy memory. AP is a solid world, one you can walk around in and stamp your feet on the solid ground. There are 3 dimensions, sharp visuals, gravity. But the rules you know can also be broken. It has to be experienced to be believed, and even then it's hard to believe. You can say that it is as real as waking life which is true, but there are really no words to describe what it's like, other than to actually be there walking around in this other world, just taking it in. Especially when you are making conscious decisions there while reminding yourself that you are not in the physical world, telling yourself what to remember. Stopping spontaneously to touch things and pick up solid objects. Thinking: I wonder what that feels like? Feeling their weight, texture, temperature wetness, etc. Testing everything. And finding that everything is there, just like you know it. Leaves you shaking your head, just thinking to yourself, WOW WHAT THE HECK WAS THAT! How can I explain to anyone what I just did? But the experiences leave such a lasting impression, you think about them all the time, they are always somewhere in the back of my mind. It really changes your perspective on reality, I can't look at things the same way any more. I'm often thinking to myself, "I've experienced something that is absolutely beyond explanation, I've been to a completely different world." In a way, you feel kind of alone when talking to people who have never been there. I wish I could take people I know with me so they understand what I'm talking about.

Wow. So you're telling me that you just lay down and focus for a while and can project out of your body? If so that is amazing! I'm guessing that just came with lots of time and practice?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb8eGsu_nX4

There have been times where I just shut my eyes and went right into AP which is totally cool. Watching a 2D image form up and just willing yourself to walk into it, like going through some kind of curtain, then seeing the 2 image turn into a 3D vivid color, HI-def world that you can experience like waking life. Unfortunately, that's not the typical way I get out, I wish it was though. Sometimes laying down and focusing for while can be more than an hour, often with no results. For me, it seems like the real work is just finding that doorway or portal into the NPR. I can just slip right through it effortlessly if I can find it and hit it just right. It's hard to explain really, the process is really nothing like anything else you do. Kind of magical to me.

Quick question for all you guys. Would sleep inducing drugs such as nyquil or zquil be effective for helping induce the "mind awake, body asleep" state? Whenever i take these medications my body gets very drowzy and tingly like it wants to go to sleep, but sometimes I lay awake all night anyways because my mind is still going. I would think that you could use this to help get into sleep paralysis, no?

I think taking anything is counterproductive in general and unnecessary. It's normal for your mind to still be going when you trying to AP so you just have to keep at it. There are times when it's just not going to work and times where it will. One of the most important things is recognizing that. Also, going through Sleep Paralysis is unlikely to occur and also not necessary to AP, this seems to be a misconception a lot of people have. I have been doing it for almost 3 years and never had Sleep Paralysis which is much more likely to occur after waking. Good luck.

Intent is important and needed. But there is trying too hard as well.  

Herein lies the paradox. Strong will and focused intention are a requirement, but trying too hard is detrimental. There is a difference between "trying hard" and "trying right" if you know what I mean. The process does not require any effort really, just a certain focused intention. If you do it right, it's very easy. The problem is doing it right Hope that makes sense.

Hee hee EV, those wheels of yours are well oiled. I think you are one of a few who have recognised the FEEL of an experience is important. This puts your analysis of the whole into a superior position.

There is so much to an experience that registers on a different level and then you try to translate it into words. You absorb it completely at a deeper level, and are left with this imprint, but then it has to be sorted out.

I'm really amazed with how much detail you got. I've always just figured that whatever I can't fish out right away is gone, but I know the memories are there and you can put yourself back there and get much more.

So your post has inspired me to put more effort into that.

Thanks for posting!

True.  No words do it justice.  I'm always telling my daughter and husband about my APs and I realize they're politely listening but really pretty bored.  I can tell their thinking...If your going to tell me about a dream, it should at least be an exciting one.  Then I realize that the subject matter of my AP was really not very exciting.  It's the REALITY of being there that is.  But this they'll never know...  As you said, you can't take them with you.

Most of the time we sleep through our dreams so we can only experience them from fuzzy memories. The big difference is that we are experiencing the "dream world" while we are awake. So we are conscious during the experience which allows us to think about what we are experiencing, why and so on, all in real time instead of memories. We can also evaluate things like how real things are, or stop and pick up an object or ask someone a question that we just thought of. We are able to make decisions in real time and even change our minds if we want. These are all things that make the experience so amazing. So we have two kinds of waking world experiences, most people only have one so they will never be able to really understand what we are talking about and why are so excited. I feel good all day after a good AP.

I agree, it's best to treat everything as real. Not that it's hard to do or anything.

I find that high level of realism confusing sometimes because I get lost in it and start to lose my reference point. In my mind I'm thinking: If this is not real, then how can anything be real? What does it mean any way? And it's even crazier to be thinking all these thoughts while you are there, not just trying to remember it later.

A high level of consciousness during the experience just adds so much to it. Being able to reflect on what's happening as it happens as a conscious observer is the most amazing experience. Also being able to evaluate and compare things to your Physical Reality world while your there is really incredible.

I once met this guy, seemed like he was from some time in the past. I told him "I've traveled here from another time. It's kind of like time zones. I came from one time zone and you are in another." I asked him his name which he told me. Then I told him: "Where I come from we have something called the Internet. As soon as I get back, I am going to look you up and find out who you are."

You are in another world, but being able to still refer to the other world at the same time, that sort of simultaneous dual consciousness is mind- altering really. Too bad we can't take people along with us, there's just no words that do it justice. You just have to go there yourself.

It's that old saying showing itself, the more you learn the less you know. Lol.
The NP is a gigantic minefield of many surreal experiences. These hardly get past you without a wtf was that all about. In them, new feelings and learning are always present. Staying the course for decades you still get shown new areas to explore. The physical begins to show itself as almost insignificant in it all. The wider reality is really immense.

I just had another this morning. It's so far beyond amazing. I was on an elevator, again just staring over and over again at the people's faces next to me and touching the walls. Thinking to myself, there must be something, some little detail somewhere that I can see that tells me they are not real people. The only thing I noticed was that the person furthest away didn't have quite as much detail as the people that were closer, but even that is also pretty much normal. It was a large elevator and I was talking to the people in there for quite a while. Must have spent 5 minutes just feeling the walls, studying this intricate pattern painted onto the surface. As I was running my hand along the surface, I was explaining to the people, "This is all so perfectly real, but it's not. Do you people realize that none of this is real?" They all just smiled at me. Then I started getting claustrophobic, realizing that the ride had gone on too long. I just suddenly wanted out, could feel myself sweating and knew that I wasn't inside a real elevator, but was really panicking anyway. At that point I made the decision to come back. Every time I experience that level of realism, it just blows me away.

I just had a slow period for conscious projecting and I figured out what was causing it.  If I have too much sleep and too much food in my stomach, I could lie there for hrs. and absolutely NOTHING will happen.  I adjusted my sleep schedule back to no more than 8 hrs, got back to daily exercise, light meal and had an empty stomach before bed, then projected at bedtime and immediately my ability was back just the way it used to be.  Sloth and greed don't pay.  Lol!

Everyone has to experiment and find out what works best for them. It's basically trial and error to a point, but some things are pretty much the same for everyone.

My sweet spot for Mind Awake-Body Asleep is after 6-7 hours of sleep generally. I think this is pretty much the same for everyone. I agree that 8 hours is the limit, I don't even waste my time after that point.

Well, If I am lucid and I knew it was all created from my subconscious or what ever, the entities there are not really 'alive'. I woudn't think twice about grabbing a girl and having sex with here, but I don't want to astrally rape someone. Even though all the sex I had till now was mutual anyways.

My philosophy on the Astral is this: Treat it with the utmost respect. I consider myself a guest there and as such I try to come more as an observer/explorer and not disturb things or entities there in a destructive way. Part of the reason is that when I make it there, it's an incredibly real world, mind-boggling. I really feel obligated to take it seriously, and it's important to treat it that way so I am really careful there.

But of course if the entities there are O.K. with whatever I want to do, then I do it. Sometimes it's not even my idea anyway.

This morning I got out and into a big city. As I walked down the street passing lots of people, I looked at each person's face really closely, marveling at the level of perfect detail in each one and comparing them in my mind to what people look like in the physical world. Wondering how that level of realness is even possible. My advice is: If you want it be real, treat it that way.

Three months later, At the time, I was working (frustratingly) on recognizing portals when they might present themselves in the RTZ or the Astral and I had an event one night where I realized I was standing before a mirror.

And I simply said, I guess instinctively, "I want to see my dad." and dove into the mirror.

It was foggy, maybe because of my focus level, my mood or attitude, my first time there, I just don't know... But I saw my dad for maybe ten seconds, a young Indian man observing the proceedings from the side, (maybe my guide for the moment) my dad was in an environment he would have designed for himself, an office or workspace with fireplace, tv, desks, faxes, phones and such and an old hound dog lounging by the fireplace. I asked, " How are you doing, dad?" and he said just fine...and that was it, I faded out.

Had something similar happen this morning. My dad passed away about 6 months ago at age 87. He had a long and enjoyable life, but of course I miss him especially as it's coming up on his first birthday since he passed. I've been trying on and off to meet him in the NPR when I project. I really agree with the idea of using portals for this. I did that this morning. For the second time, I found and used my dad's house as a portal. When I got there, I walked through the house into the different rooms calling out to my dad, "Hey dad, I'm in your house. Are you here?" Opened his refrigerator and looked in, checked the time on one of the clocks. 3:30. Just like the first time I did it, he came out from somewhere in the house. The situation was starting to get fuzzy and stability wasn't that great so I felt like I had to get as much information as I could quickly. I wanted to see him and talk of course, but more importantly, I wanted to find out from him if he knew why it's been difficult to connect with him. Maybe I could do things differently. The first thing I asked was "Why did it work this time?" He said "It's because you've been pushing and pushing." Then I said, "But why is it so difficult to do? Am I doing something wrong?" He didn't answer. Then I said, "Is it you?" He just looked at me and exactly like my dad would have done said "Are you kidding?"
I felt really bad about suggesting that and spent the last few seconds apologizing to him.

Of course, I can't know for sure whether that was really him or just my projection. Could have been some of both. I am encouraged to keep trying and will hopefully see him again.

 

But then A says, "that was just a Dream though". So now we are back to square one all over again!  

But then B starts laughing. A can't figure out why. A finally asks "What's so funny?" B says, "False awaking! Got Ya!" 

A And B want to fight in a boxing match in 2 years. A goes to a boxing gym and trains the techniques, cardio and sparring everyday. B says A is making things too complicated. Fighting is just fighting, it is that simple. So he never trains because it can't be more complicated than his play station game. After 2 years they finally come to fight and reality bites B in a few seconds.

Yes, that's how it goes in the Physical.

But then B invites A to the NPR and things go a little bit differently there.

A gets his his butt kicked, despite all of that training, but doesn't understand why. After all he's done all that training in the physical so what's going on:

Then B offers this:

How did I beat you?

A says: You... you're too fast.

Then B gives him the real answer: Do you believe that my being stronger or faster has anything to do with my muscles in this place? Do you think that's air you're breathing now?

Then A realizes that things work differently here.