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#26
Thank you for the reply. I will try it tonight when I do it. Though, What do I do when I enter that state? Just intend to AP then wait abd wait?  :-)
#27
So, Yah. My new way of doing things is to go to sleep at like 2-3 am in the morning, wake up early, I am guaranteed to be tired as I was today. as usual I went to go to sleep and when i reached the stage where I'm on the edge of sleep I suddenly become conscious(I did not move a muscle, I told myself mind awake body asleep. the worst case was I did not know if I was really in the state where I could have tried to ap. I was in the state where I barely could feel body. In that case, I thought I done it wrong and went to sleep
#28
Since I had a dream out astral project it made me think to come back and try again. As last time when trying conscious Astral projection, I was doing them on a very waking alert state which didn't get me veru far. My new way for this is the following:

Go to bed at whatever time I fall asleep and when just becoming aware I will try and keep my eyes closed and stay in tha peaceful state of sleep and tell my mind to stay awake and my body to stay asleep. Easier said than done lol.

What ya'll think of my new way of doing it? :-)
#29
I thing I don't get is why I had the dream, I have not attempted to Astral project in like 2 months, Is this dream telling me to start again?
#30
Hello, All.

I have not attempted Astral Projection in like 2 months. But last night I had a dream which was related to it.

It all started with a young boy. He was attempting to astral project and he failed and failed but then it came a time where he tried once more and fell asleep and then suddenly he popped out his body. Now the weird thing about this is that when he popped out of his body, I physically felt a strong energy, I don't know what it is, all i can say is that it felt so real(thats why I said physically). Note , that's all I remember as far as him being out his body. Yet when he came back to his body, He felt scared, worried for some reason. Then that's where it all stopped.

Not sure what you guys think?
#31
I really do have to say I have never been in a Sleep Paralysis state and be aware of it, Although I do receive quite a lot of the astral projection Symtons
#32
QuoteI stated this in another thread recently: "It's consciousness, there is no here or there, no upper or lower.  Only subjective interpretations based upon biased values of the experiencer."

And that is your subjective interpretation.
#33
I experience the same thing, never really thought it was a big of a problem though.  :-D
#34
Quote from: desert-rat on April 22, 2014, 13:57:04
I read in this book , to visit the lower astral realms will make one bad , mad or dead , I dont think this is such a good idea .

But you don't seriously believe everything you read do you?
#35
Quote from: Lostlight2013 on April 22, 2014, 09:55:04

Hey guys, well i really have no other way to title this one besides the title i gave it. Reason being is i've NEVER had an experience quite like this. It's hard to describe but really the only way i CAN describe it is i had a projection where i was not only conscious in the Astral but in the Physical as well, both at the same time. Really the best way to share this experience is to give a play by play so that's what i'm gonna TRY and do, well without further ado!

<Laid down in bed closed my eyes> Hmmm i'm sinking into sleep rather fast! This is good, i feel fully conscious. <Body begins to numb> Ahh, my mind is unusually still tonight! Perfect, focus on my intention. <Vibrations begin> Ahhhh here we go perfect! <Faces and figures start making their appearence> Don't care....focus.... <Instantly i find myself floating besides the Earth> Annnnd i'm out, but not where i want to be, this is too....physical....i need to raise my vibration <i Notice i can feel my bed against my back> Interesting! <Awareness shifts back to the body> Hmmm boring, i'm back in my body, shift back out. <Awareness shifts back into Astral back into space> That's better, now where was i? That's right, shift deeper.

Here's where things get a bit weird. i was completely conscious in both the physical and astral the entire experience...matter of fact, i first laid down at 10 13...the experience didnt end until 10 58. But here's the aggravating part. SO i go about my projection, consciously make decisions and do things of my own accord then i decide i better get back (for what i'm not sure, i only remember making the decision and actually shifting back), i consciously shift my awareness back into my body annnnnnnnnnnd GONE. Everything from the Astral Experience was gone BUT every memory from the physical still remained INTACT! I remember everything that happened from the physical side of the experience but i couldnt even begin to tell you what happened in the Astral BUT while i was in the Astral everything from my physical experiences and my Astral were crystal clear.

Now it would be one thing if i was a bit hazy from the experience but i can remember being incredibly conscious on BOTH sides. It's just when i returned to the physical my astral memory dumped almost completely (Except for the beginning, returning to my body and small "Still picture" memories i couldn't even begin to dissect myself much less explain them.) It was like as soon as i began to shift back into physical reality (Because i remember making the conscious decision to shift and actually shifting back in) the memories were gone. I dont know, i'm bummed yet intrigued at the same time. It was a new experience for me and i guess really that's all that counts right? Anyone ever have this happen to them? I look forward to your input!!

This is rather a simply explanation, When you astral project for your first time, You are suppose to jump and jump back in, I would say if you stay longer than 10 seconds that your memory of the projection will be gone. It is like a door shutting down slowly. You need to make it through the door it before it closes. When it closes no memory can be made.
#36
Is it a bad idea that I want to Travel to the lower frequencies with all the negative spirit, The reason I want to do this, To gain more knowledge on what causes them to be who they are? To see see more into what they are like? To help them. etc..
#37
I tried to do a conscious projection last night, I had my physical body asleep/numb.

Not sure but mentally, I got an image a person on a bed and getting ready to exit, surely, I could feel there astral body more, I don't know how to explain it, But I could feel it. I seen lot's of images in my third eyes, Very vivid. I decided to stop after some times. I heard like 2 knocks on my wall, 50% chance it was physical explanation, 50% it was something out of this reality. So, I mentally said, I do not fear, I am not scared. I turned on my TV and I heard a man say "Oh, Shutup". I did not give a reply, I ignored and carried on watching TV.
#38
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on April 21, 2014, 21:03:46
... -,- There's a point at which it's best just to stop reading, and experience for yourself. The ONLY time this "silver cord" is ever even going to exist, is if you go into the astral thinking it exists. There's no cord for me, and I'm sure there are others in similar situations as me. If you go into the astral thinking that your spirit and physical body are connected by some "cord" and you will snap back into the physical planes as soon as it's broken, you're just going to limit yourself.

Sadly, I disagree with you, but accept your opinion. My belief is that we all have a silver cord connecting our physical body to our spirit. Whether you are aware of it or not, It was always be there until the day of your physical death.
#39
Quote from: Lionheart on April 21, 2014, 17:38:51
Thank You for your kind words Lily!  :-)

We all try to give you the info and tools needed to achieve NP exploration for yourself. But in the need, you are the one that has to learn how to ALLOW it to happen. This takes practice, patience and perseverance, but also courage, which you have showed greatly here.

Keep absorbing all this info like a sponge. But don't necessarily get hung up on the what's happening until you make your own observations first. A lot of what you read in AP books and the AP videos is based on the person's personal perception of what is going on. Also there are people form the school of thought that we need to climb out of the body and because of this, they teach based on this idea. Then there are others that feel it is a simple shift and once again base their technique accordingly. In the end, it doesn't matter which method/technique you use, as long as it works for you. You will find, as I am many others have, that you will take a number of things and kind of meld them into one technique that is more tailor made for you personally.

I, myself, have never seen a "silver cord" or any cord for that matter, but I haven't looked for one either. So, I can never really share that experience that so many others have had. I have had experiences where I felt like I was being "slinkied" (new word, lol) or Yo-Yoed up and down, then back into my body though.

Keep doing what you are doing. We could use you as a "Poster Child" for success, lol.  :-) Your information will help many others in your age group experience the wonders of NP exploration. You also seem to have a very mature mind for a 15 year old. That's always a good thing as well!  :wink:

Hi, Lion. I personally believe that if you intend to see your silver cord then so be it, It shall just show up, But many people are not bothered about it.
#40
Quote from: Volgerle on April 21, 2014, 15:39:33
That's a great explanation that makes perfect sense to me. It also fits the expression astral projection so well. A projector projects light (onto a screen, etc.) just like we do project our mind (into the astral world). If the light is "cut" somehow what really happens is that actually the projector (which is us) ceased to 'project' the mind and boom! ... you're back in your body.  :-)

Thanks man. So, I guess those should over-come the fear. My parents always said to me. Don't be scared of the unknown, Be scared of the living.
#41
Quote from: Lionheart on March 07, 2014, 17:26:33
I'm glad you didn't get frustrated Suzy.  :-)

Meditating is good for you anyways. Even if you don't AP, you still get some quality "me time"!  :wink:

Totally agree with you there Lion!
#42
Quote from: Selene on April 20, 2014, 21:10:12
Hello, everyone!

I'm so glad there's a forum out there so we're able to connect from all around the world and share our experiences about a topic that is not that public, at least in my surroundings...

I'm Selene, I'm from Spain, and I'm almost forty.
From as far as I can remember I always had an interest and an instinctive knowledge of the spiritual world. Now and then, I've had premonitory dreams or dreams where I spoke with people about things that I didn't know about and then discovered that the information was true.  

The last one was in October, I dreamt that I visited an old friend that I hadn't seen for years, he was living in his house with a roommate because they were divorcing with his wife, so one week one lived in the house with the kids and the other week the other. I didn't expect it to be more than a dream because it was such a solid marriage, but a month ago I had a call from them, they told me they were just in the same situation that what he was describing in my dream,  since one year.
These dreams were like little gifts to me, that proved that we were more than flesh, but it never came to my mind that I could have any control over them...

Another thing that has been important to me is that I've always seen a light when I go to sleep, a warm, soothing and loving light and somehow it's as if I get information from it but nothing passes by my neocortex, kind of difficult to explain, could stay there for ever, but it never goes further, so it was comforting but that's all, until...I lost it.

There came a moment, that little by little I started to doubt my foundations:  I landed in a materialist world, where God has no place, where people don't think much about morals, and were earning a living is tough, where we compare with each other constantly and the more, the better.
So I started to doubt myself, to think that perhaps it would have been better to read books of economy than of psychology. Maybe my spirituality was a way to escape  a certain inadaptation to society like religions were myths that helped people escape the anxiety of an unpredictable world.

Then in September, I found myself in a situation that shook my world, not too dramatic, thanks God, no diseases, no
accidents, no divorces...but it was big enough, that I had to give it a sense in my life, where there some invisible energies that brought me to that situation, as I felt it was or was it just a random bad combination of circumstances?
I had to know, and how do you prove that there is a spirit and an ulterior sense to all our existence? I though about the out of body experiences, if I could have one, then I could prove to myself it wasn't a delusion.

The first book I read was from William Buhlman, then I saw a video from Thomas Campbell, it surprised me so much. I expected the typical New Age stuff, but I found serious men that were talking as much to my right hemisphere as to my left. And that was the starting shot, I couldn't stop reading and gathering information...there was so much valuable writings out there, how had I been wasting my life, if that was what I always had been craving to know, what my soul was asking for...

Now that I have made a foundation, it's time to practice.
Since I started this, I've had some OBE's but never conscious, always after falling  asleep, which is fine to me, because I think that my mind doesn't accept that I could have a conscious OBE and needs its time to process.
Anyway, it's the beginning of a lifetime adventure and I'm glad to be able to share it here.

That's been a hell of an introduction, I hope I didn't do a lot of misspellings and I would love to read any comments about your impressions!

Selene  

Welcome to the site. Just practice practice practice having conscious OBE's and one day you will get your desired result.
#43
Quote from: Enigmatik on April 21, 2014, 03:53:26
In the experience's I have had, I do just what you are doing, end up falling asleep then enter consciousness again when vibrations kick in.  Then get out of body.  However, most of the time I end up going to sleep for like 5 hours and then wake up.  I usually drink a little caffeine and check the forums etc.  Then I repeat the process. This gets me out almost 90% of the time.   I think for a conscious oobe you have to keep your mind awake.  I have a friend who does this and he says the best time to do this is when you are not sleepy at all.  And it might require you not to lay in bed.  This is hard and I'm trying to do this as well.  But if you haven't tried yet, like I said, sleep like 4 hours then wake up.  Read the forums or whatnot, set your intentions, and if you are lucky you will go from dreaming to a oobe!  Good luck, hope this helps.

I try conscious projection, For me, I have not had one yet, But I do find it easy to reach and vibrational stage.
#44
Quote from: Atticus97 on February 23, 2014, 11:03:28
I've been trying to astral project for a few nights now, but to no avail. I'm very relaxed, focused on my breathing, I may feel VERY small vibrations in my hands or feet, but that's it so I don't know if I can call them 'vibrations'. Most of my body otherwise, is still numb, however I can still willingly move it.

I know I shouldn't be expecting the vibrational state to happen, but that leads to sleep paralysis which is the only way for beginners to experience astral projection. I've also tried listening to some binaural beats, and have fallen asleep three times.

I also frequently get a faster heartbeat, it's not due to fear or panic, but it keeps going back and forth from subtle minor vibrations or to nothing at all. I know about the various techniques, but they're practically useless to me until I haven't entered sleep paralysis. Last night, I tried repeating affirmations (Mind awake, body asleep) while listening to binaural beats and focusing on each breath, to which I unfortunately fell asleep.

Any tips?

I know you are making progress because you said you get a fast heartbeat, Just to be clear, It is not your actually heart that is doing it, It is your heart chakra, It is basically what's put the energy out there. I would say you're doing well.
#45
Quote from: soarin12 on April 21, 2014, 13:56:34
Knocks on the wall used to be very common for me when I entered SP.  They were really loud and startling, and it was very hard to stay in the trance.  It's just another fear test I guess, so just try to roll with it.  After awhile they should go away. 

Yep, It might had been a fear test, as I will say, it is not that I feared it, It was the fact that I was not expecting it and it freaked me out.
#46
Now, Let me tell you an experience with had 2 sensations. It was 1-3 in the morning. I was not that tried, But, I just gave it ago, it went kind of well. so, I closed my eyes, my body was nice and relaxed, As I stated, The heart-beat sensation, oh my god, This sensation is so intense, It feels like you're having an heart-attack, Knowing that, I just wanted to stop, But, No, I decided to just go with it, It started to slow down and I got the vibrations, The vibrations got stronger, I was calm and happy until I got to the point where I heard someone knock on the wall, Really it is 1-3 in the morning, who would knock on a wall at that time, Unless it was just with the experience. As it freaked me out, So, I opened my eyes. I am not sure what caused the knock, Could of been my next door neighbour, but what are the chances of them knocking?
#47
~I would love to thank Lion Especially, Due to the help He has gave me, and the rest of astral pulse~

Firstly, I would like to Introduce myself. My name is Josh and I am 15 years of age. I have been a developing medium for nearly a year. Let me tell you a bit about my experiences.I started to meditate when I was about 11, I got started learning witchcraft, got introduced to meditation, Got introduced to medium-ship, Now finally I got introduced to Astral projection. Now, Ever since I was a young kid, I have always felt there was some different in me. I felt different from others. Now, Every since I joined this site the administrator stated that what I do is Phasing, I realised all these symptons I get in meditation are really just me phasing, I realised that this has a connection with astral projection. Come to think Of it, I have been practising astral projection since Thursday last week. and would you believe it or not I can reach the vibration stage already? am I meant to astral project or what? Now, enough about me. Let's get cracking on with this thread.

I know I am only a beginner myself, But, I thought I would like to make a thread on what I know. Please correct me If I have got some of this information wrong.

Have you ever had the feeling that there is more to life than just being humans? There is more than just your five sense, Have you ever wondered if there where a spirit world or if even god or spirit's existed? spirit guides, angels, loved ones? Have you ever had the feeling that there was something deep inside you was destined to find out? Well guess what, All of what is said above you can do! You just need practice and patience and a brain.

I have been doing a lot studying lately, Mainly watching videos on Robert Bruce. Now, Today. We are going to be working with Fear. Now, we have all been there. I have seen some post's on Astral Pulse about being scared of heights and being scared to go on planes in the astral plane, scared of Death, Your silver cord being snapped, Or you being possessed while you are out of your body. Now let me tell you this. You can not die, You can not be possessed because if you believe it or not your spirit is not actual out of your body. It is a tiny bit of your consciousness projecting yourself, The body would be as perfect as your physical body is. So, Moving onto the next thing, What exactly happens when your Silver Cord snaps or breaks. Now, I have done some a quite a-lot a research about this, According to Robert Bruce, When it snaps it is basically like a light shutting down, Which when that happens you go back into your physical body straight away.

Working with Symptons, When you're a beginner you will experience quite a lot of sensations. I have no doubt of that. 90% of all of you people will experience the same symptons. There are 3 main symptons. There is one where it feels like your heart is pumping like 500 times a minute. To tell you the truth, It is not actually your heart, But your heart chakra. if you get this, You are on the right track to astral projection. As you will get this sensation is because it is your heart chakra that is putting all of energy into it. Nothing more, So if things get really intense with this feeling, Just tell yourself "I am going to get through this, I am staying calm". If you can get through that then you are doing a god damn good job. Next, There is a falling sensation, Now, This is the sensation where it feels like you are falling through your body. I have experienced this a-lot when I was a kid, I use to feel this sensation so intense I would turn over and it felt like I was on the edge of a Mountain getting ready to fall off then I would grab hold of the side of my bed like an Idiot. I could imagine my parents watching me do that. You will all have experienced this one time in your life, If you have got through it, You are making very good progress to having a out-of-body experience. Lastly, There are the vibrations. Now, I get these when-ever I intend to astral project. When I get these I know I am close to actually astral projecting. You may already know that these vibrations cover all of your body, But actually your physical body is not actually producing them. It has been proved before back in the day they done this experiment on Robert Munroe.

Now, Let me tell you an experience with had 2 of these sensations. It was 1-3 in the morning. I was not that tried, But, I just gave it ago, it went kind of well. so, I closed my eyes, my body was nice and relaxed, As I stated, The heart-beat sensation, oh my god, This sensation is so intense, It feels like you're having an heart-attack, Knowing that, I just wanted to stop, But, No, I decided to just go with it, It started to slow down and I got the vibrations, The vibrations got stronger, I was calm and happy until I got to the point where I heard someone knock on the wall, Really it is 1-3 in the morning, who would knock on a wall at that time, Unless it was just with the experience. As it freaked me out, So, I opened my eyes. I am not sure what caused the knock, Could of been my next door neighbour, but what are the chances of them knocking?

Now at the moment, I am working on fear. Well, It is not the fact that it scared me, it is the fact that it made me jump. I have let go of the heart-beat sensation and the vibrational sensations. I was doing so good, But that knock! Really screwed things up for me. I am taking it a step at a time. Every-night, I making better progress. We can talk about my experiences somewhere else, I will post my experience in a different section also so we can discuss it here.


Now, Let's talk about having conscious projections. Now, I can not tell you everything, But, I can guide you all up-to the but about being totally relaxed and actually taking off in the experience. okay, Making your body relaxed enough, Like it is enough. So, Let's talk about how  achieve a good enough state so I can proceed. Well, if you ask me, It is just basically "doing it". You can do it, Clear your mind, focus on your breathing, That is what I do, let myself seek deeper into relaxation then state in my mind that I want to astral project then the sensations start to arrive. Just don't bother about your physical body at the moment, Notice the blackness when your eyes are closed. see pictures float through your mind too take your awareness of the body. To tell you the truth, I do not know how I do it, It just happens. But, I believe everyone has different methods that just work for them. I think I am use to doing it because I am always relaxing.

I was actually watching another Robert Bruce video earlier on. I gathered all this info from his videos. did you know astral body has a vision of 360 degrees, But die to the fact your physical eyes only have like half of that, You're limited. also. Our vision, Let's say we are astral projecting and have a successful projection, let's say we flew out of our bedroom window and you wanted to turn left. Your consciousness mind would basically reverse your vision and perception so if you really think about it, You're walking forward all the time? as your consciousness is placing your intent right in-front of you. Although, Robert Bruce does state that this does not happen if not done on purpose, as it would as you would turn left as you where in the physical, I feel this is due to the fact that we are not intending to do anything. This subject is a bit hard to explain it kind of delves into science related topics, So, I will have to stop here.

I have always wanted to astral project, Now since I joined astral-pulse, You have nearly made my dream come true, I am nearly there. I have to say with-out all of your help, I would of given in by now. Let me tell you all something. I use to have rather a sceptical mind, I  use to think that astral projection was not real, I use to think that because everyone could do it, That I can not, But it just proves that if you stick to something like this and practice and practice and never give in, You will get your desired result in the end. as many people know me, I kind of give up on things rather quickly. But with the things I have been experiencing with this, I have rather changed my views on the subject.

That is it for today!
#48
Quote from: Riften77 on April 20, 2014, 20:57:53
Can anyone share some different ideas, suggestions and tips to help keep your mind awake while your body falls asleep? I have been trying to get out of body for over a year now and it's currently my understanding that basically, no matter what you do, in order to get out of body, you mind has to stay awake. Thanks!

Mate, Forget about your body being asleep. What I did is focus on breathing, Now technically that is not really a good idea but for me it sends my physical body into a deep relaxation state makes it numb. Once that happens I tend to go into a "phasing" state. By that I mean my consciousness would be in a NOR, Non-ordinary reality. I phase everytime I meditate, It is a natural process for me. Right, put it this way. Your consciousness is running away from your phsyical body, Your physical body is like a magnet so it is trying to bring you back. You see that your physical body is chasing after you, Which then looses your focus and bang, Your attention is back on your body. Now, when that happens, Take something and focus on it, it is recommended that you focus on your third eye. Keep focusing. You will be that focused that you won't have a clue about your physical body. Once that is done, You can then proceed to the next level. Just a little insight for you man.
#49
Quote from: kuurt on April 20, 2014, 20:20:45
When I say I'm afraid of the unknown, I don't mean that that I'm afraid of the astral plane or of being out of my body.  I have experienced that enough times through the dream or sleep state to know that ultimately there is nothing to be afraid of.  I don't like heights or being up high.  I would never fly in a plane.  But, I have flown around in my astral body a few times and I don't have that fear there because I know that I don't have my physical body to worry about and I know I can't be hurt.  And if I were to encounter an evil entity or something I could just think about being somewhere else like my body and I'm gone.  To me the experience is just like a dream.  In fact, I figure some dreams, if not all of them may very well be experiences on the astral plane.  I feel like it's the moment of exiting and the build up to that which is what is scary to me because I've never consciously been though that process.  I just hear what sounds like strong wind and my heart starts beating really fast and it's pretty hard to relax into that and just go with it. 

Just listen to how Lionheart described one of his or her experiences:  "I have been dragged out of my bed by my ankles and spun/twisted like a top through my ceiling".  My God that sounds horrible.  I think it's the fact that we have no control over the experience that scares me.  It's like I'm being powerlessly whisked up in a tornado and I'm just suppose to somehow relax into that.

I have said this multiple times today, Fear, being scared it is a choice. Whether you are ready or not, You are going to be pushed out of your comfort zone one day mate. You're scared of heights? You can fly in the astral plane, So you have nothing to be scared off. Maybe you should try phasing first before you delve into astral projection consciously? You can always set your intent to what, You can stay on the physical plane, But I think that is called Etheric projection. You have a choice mate, Come out your comfort zone, or walk away.
#50
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on April 20, 2014, 20:16:39
If it was this simple, I think it would have already been done by now. But regardless, not everyone gets these vibrations. Some people have a "smooth transition" from the physical to the astral. So it would obviously not work for everyone anyway.

Exactly.