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#26
In William Buhlman's book "Secrets of the Soul" he devotes a chapter to the similarity between abduction stories and OBE reports. He is of the mind that most abduction experiences are simply the way the brain interprets and OBE.  Interesting reading..... and a great book.

"While I was conducting the out-of-body experience survey described in the introduction to this book, I began receiving letters related to alien contact and abduction.  After reading more than two hundred such letters, I noticed a startling similarity: The letters describing extraterrestrial contacts and abductions were almost identical to the thousands of letters I have received describing OBEs.  In fact, I often could not distinguish between letters.  ....The same kind of phenomena and descriptions - such as paralysis, electrical sensations, strong vibrations, and strange, unearthly sounds and contact - are reported."

"I have personally seen and experienced a wide variety of nonphysical intelligent beings.  Many of these beings exhibit no solid external shape or form as we understand such things.  In fact, it is feasible that truly advanced beings may have evolved beyond the need for dense biological form.  It appears that the current human dependence on and obsession with form and shape is one of the primary earmarks of a more primitive species.)"  etc.etc.  (Buhlman - Chapter 6)


So it's quite likely that you were visited by members of your own soul team, or entities watching your progress. 
#27
Hi David.  I just joined the forum a few days ago and this was the first post that I read when I scrolled the subjects. Your comment about needing to be committed, perhaps even obsessed would describe my level of intent to become a proficient OBer, but I am indeed having trouble.  

I have had successes, minor ones, with rolling out into the etheric body although with poor lucidity.  I have had numerous astral body experiences of flying or getting away from my body and outside, again with medium to poor lucidity, but enough to know I was out and consciously so.  I have read the Buhlman books however so know what to do to improve the awareness, but the trouble is I'm having so few experiences to be able to practice it, and recently they have dropped to nil.

The successes I've had using Robert Peterson's technique of lying perfectly still until the body 'thinks' you are asleep has worked in several cases (or is this a Robert Bruce technique... I forget).  I've gotten to the 'body numb' stage (not sleep paralysis) and then have been able to float out through my feet using this technique, on my way I assume to the astral dream zone. (Assuming the body 'thinks' I'm asleep that's where it would be going as I'm not directing things.)  I say this because when I've floated out through my feet I'm on my back, and then without any intent on my part my body rotates around so that I'm moving along head first through what feels like a tunnel.  Excitement has halted this process because of course the body catches on that I'm actually not asleep.  I've kept up this practice hoping to get to the dream zone of the astral plane using my astral body in full awareness.  I've only successfully gotten to the other side with this once by learning to stay calm.  I was unaware however of any entry or arrival as I had seemingly dropped into a lucid dream state, although I did interact with a being who noted that I was able to see him.  He invited me into a class that was just getting started, but I could tell he didn't expect much... as my weakening lucidity was likely obvious.

The trouble is I seem unable any longer to trick the body.  It's like the jig is up and the body has caught on that I am likely not asleep yet.  Typically it will initiate an itchy spot, or several, to see if I will move.  I've been able, in the past, to get beyond this point and the itching has attenuated.  Body/ego will also create heat which is very uncomfortable to see if I will move, and I've been able to get beyond that point too.  It will also create the compelling urge to roll over.  The 'trouble is' being that these issues no longer attenuate and by the time they start I've already been at it for for a couple of hours.  Eventually I give in.  Perhaps I should talk with Peterson on this to see if this has happened to him.

I do know the window of opportunity seems very short.  I have to be just the right amount of tired, and usually wake up around 4am to do my practice. If I am not tired or too awake then I may as well forget it because I am unable to get to a deep theta.  Recently this has been part of the problem.  I have resorted to putting on a night mask to have more darkness as in Western Canada this time of year the sun comes up way too early.  Perhaps things will improve come fall.

Your sleep time stats do make sense.  I know for a fact that 'over sleeping' makes it easier to go into what I call the grog....the feeling of heaviness and sinking into the bed in a state too listless to move. In my youth... I am now 57, I experienced the body freeze state frequently by oversleeping, and/or going back to bed late morning.  (I was a bush camp cook one summer in my late 20's and used to go back to bed after breakfast was done to kill time.  Man did I have body freeze events then. Too bad I didn't know more about using this to initiate an OBE.)  I'm getting to the point of feeling this is ALL easier before a certain age.  Have you heard that come up before?  I rarely if ever wake up into a body freeze state anymore.  The condition of the pineal may have something to do with it at a certain age... maybe??  Anyway.... having not taken the leisure to sleep in until say 11am for years now I think I will try doing this more to see if things improve in the OBE department.

I'm wondering if it's easier for men to OBE because they typically, not always of course, but typically are able to drop off to sleep or rest easier.  Waking up and then getting out of bed for a few hours for me (and many women say over 50) would result in never being able to get back to sleep again, so I have no worries about staying in bed and practicing BEFORE I get too awake or start moving around.  Buhlman recommends naps but again I know many women who will say they can seldom get to sleep during the day no matter how tired.  This is certainly true for me.

Anyway...I'm not sure there is a question here, but feel free to comment.  The Peterson technique is not the only one I use, but it's the one that's worked.  I meditate more consistently now, use binary beats some, listen to theta and chakra type music, have done most of the Munroe tapes, and have read a ton of books to name a few.  

What I desire ultimately is to be able to experience my multidimensional bodies on the various planes rather than just getting out of the body for an astral joy ride, but I'm certainly wide open to just about any kind of improvement in lucidity and conscious OBEs.