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Thanks Lumaza, I'm going to try that. Like I said I used to meditate pretty often to I'm use to concentrating on keeping a blank mind and letting thoughts slip by. But I've never tried holding an image. Those couple images I saw last night had a more 3D quality than my usual imagination projects. So I kind of get the gist of where I'm trying to go with this. It just seems so impossible that that my imagination can become something other than a blurry dream. Anything I normally think about is presented to my minds eye as if looking through a long pipe. Only parts of the scene in my mind can be in focus, and only for a moment or two.

So your saying all this AP stuff is just trying to focus, keeping your attention on, and concentrating on what is in your minds eye until it becomes real? Or from a physical standpoint, until it is perceived as real?

Strange. Its like the mind is always perceiving the physical but if you train it to perceive itself...there's some sort of feedback loop created that sends the mind spinning off alone.

I've read the Bedeekin post before. I had forgotten about it. Its funny there is so much information on AP, so many techniques, its seems impossible theres not one method out there that works for everybody. Or a pill to take. The first and only time I had a lucid dream was recently after I had a wisdom tooth pulled and I was doped up on pain killers. I realized what was happening in the dream because I had been reading this forum. I even looked at my hands at which time I woke up.
Point being, I thought I had figured out some magic formula with the Codeine pills. BUT I was unable to lucid dream again even when taking the pills and setting up the same circumstances surrounding the fist experience. Very frustrating. I did learn that I was going to have to work at this.

Last night I tried the Bedeekin method and I had some success. I feel I got very close to a solid Focus 10 but not quite. My body felt like a lite, blown up balloon. I was letting a voice run in my head saying random words, whatever came to me. I just observed the words and didn't judge them. That was kind of hard because they got pretty weird at times. At moments here and there a strong image would present it self in the back of my mind, like phone poles with wires, or a snow capped mountain with a lake at the foot of it. At some point I slipped under. But I feel this may be the method for me. I'm still going to try the rundown sitting in a comfortable chair.

Thanks to both of you for the help. Even though I read about AP all the time, actually talking to real people with experience opens new doors...

@Astralsuzy
Just wanted to know if you sat in a chair with your head/back supported like a lazyboy or if you sat upright without your head supported like in meditation?

@Lumaza
Thanks for your welcome!
I've been reading the forum long enough to know someone was going to bust me on the time thing:) Whats funny is I actually play guitar!

You kind of answered my question to Astralsuzy but also brought up a bigger question. I have done a fair amount of meditation and would often get to a very light tingly state but never sounds or heavy vibrations.

I'm a little confused at what the state of mind needs to be to project. I kind of thought you needed to be somewhat asleep and that along with some kind of visualizations was the difference between meditation and AP.

It sounds more like AP can occur with just meditation and some sort of imagining. I'm just realizing this after reading your and Astralsuzy's replies.

Is it just that there is a loophole in the state between waking and sleep where you can accidentally project? Making it more accessible for people who haven't put in all the concentration work that someone who can just sit in a chair and shift they're focus has?

Yes, I've read about that, During the day I usually practice in my daughters bed because its different than my bed and its in a more quiet part of the house. But I'm still very comfortable.

I don't understand how I could relax my body if its uncomfortable? Seems like I wouldn't be able to focus away from the body.

Well I'm not having much luck now so I will give a chair a try. Thanks!

Hello astral people!

I've been reading the forum for about 8 months now. I have become a Frank K devotee. I've read pretty much all there is to find on Frank. I've read many of Xanth's articles. watched a lot of you tube stuff on AP. Read most of the Monroe stuff. So "technically" I know whats up. "Experientially" I don't know whats up. 

I've had a couple mild experiences (one short lucid dream, One SP experience) since reading the forum. I've been practicing the wave 1 CD focus 10, with a mental rundown for about six months now. Probably about three times a week.
I usually practice at around 5:00pm when I get home from work. I have also tried a couple times in the early morning at around 6:00am. I go to sleep at around midnight and get about 6-7 hours of sleep on the week days. I sleep in on the weekends and can get up to 10 hours of sleep. This doesn't seem to make a difference with the way I experience my practice sessions.

I have an office job so my body doesn't get a lot of physical work out time. But I'm pretty healthy for a male in his 40's.

I do dream pretty much every night and make an effort to remember my dreams and mentally step through them after I wake up. I don't keep a journal as I wake up early for work and don't have enough time. I know I could make the time but...

Problem is I can't seem to stay conscious and always fall asleep. Although I feel like I'm becoming more aware of my imagination by repeating the rundown, I still cant sense the transition point between wake and sleep. I guess I've always been a heavy sleeper. I have not lost interest in AP but it just doesn't seem like I'm getting any closer to anything.

Any advice for a heavy sleeper?

Thanks!