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I have 2 questions about noticing

1, I have read at several places that Frank describes "noticing" as an "exercise for beginners" or a "preliminary exercise before using a rundown". This confused me a bit because I thought that "noticing" (passively observe the blackness in front of my closed eyes and notice whatewer takes palce within) is an effective phasing tecnique and one can phase to F3 by using noticing only. Can someone tell me if I am right? Can I get to F3 by using noticing only?

2, When I do the noticing exercise, I observe the blacness in front of my closed eyes and notice whatever I see (light patterns, swirling shapes,...). When I see some more distinctive thing I sometimes think "What an interesting shape" or "what a nice colour" and things like that. This helps me keep my attention on noticing. Otherwise ( as Frank suggests) I do not get too curious and observe these things passively.

All in all, when I do the noticing exercise I do not keep my mind totally empty and allow myself to occasionaly comment on things. Is it all right to do the exercise this way? Or should I do it more like a mediattion when I try to keep my mind empty and passively observe the object of meditation (flow of breath, blacness in front of closed eyes) and do not comment on them? Thanks for answering

Hi,  I would like to ask 2 questions about phasing.

1, I am familiar with the "rundown" type of phasing, when you create a mental scenario, engage your senses as much as possible and after a while you find that your mental scenario developed into a dream sceen (and hopefully you remained lucid enogh). In other words, you phased into F2 (Frank`s model).

I also know another method which Frank often calls "Monroe`s method" in his posts. As far as I know, this means that to reach Condition B, you lie down, relax, and simply observe the blackness in front of your eyes. Soon you began to see "light patterns"( can be more complex images as well). If you remain aware, this action somehow leads to the 3D blackness (when your pbody falls asleep). In other words, you only have to passively observe the blackness in front of your eyes and these light patterns in order to reach the 3D blackness. No other action is needed to get to 3D blackness and it is not necessary to listen to Monroe CD or an alternative of it. 

Can anyone tell me if I am right in this? 

2, Can anyone suggests how can I phase from the dream sceen (created by my rundown) to the 3D blackness? How can I make the dream sceen fade away or how can I get to F3?
Thanks for answering

I would like to ask a question regarding exit sensations.

Im practicing R Bruce`s method of astal projection. After the relaxation and e-raising, I go into trance as deep as I can. Then I do some e-body loosening. In most cases I do not do an exit tecnique since I don`t feel exit sensations.

Is it possible that the reason why I don`t feel the exit sensations is because I don`t do an exit tecnique? (imagine flying upwards, rope tecnique, etc)

In my opinion, exit sensations are induced by the "deep enough" trance state. Applying an exit tecnique for a period of time (imagining keeping puling the rope,...) can also help, but it is not necessary to do exit tecnique to get the exit sensations. The body loosening can also help to induce exit sensations if you are already in trance. Therefore it is not necessary to do an exit tecnique to get these sensations and exit tecnique should be used when exit sensations are already present.    

Can anyone tell me if I am right in this?                 Thanks

Hi
I wolud like to ask 2 things about LD-s. I have 1-2 LD-s per week. After I realize that I am dreaming/becoming conscious, the dream usualy ends very quickly. I might have 20-40 secs (subjective time) then it ends abrubtly. I am aware of tecniques wich can prevent the dream from ending: Looking on your hands or the ground, start spinning, flying... These are all should be applied when the dream imagery starts to fade. However, in my case the dream diisapears abruptly, so I can not use these tecniques. I tried to stabilize the dream with focusing on my hands and the ground for a few seconds, but it did not prolong my dream very much.

1, Does someone know any methods which can prolong the dream and which can be used before the imagery begin to fade? 

2, Do you know any method with which I can extend my subjective time in the dream? (for instance spend 1hour in the dream while your physical body stays in bed for only 10 mins)           Thanks in advance   

When doing the projecton sequence, I only do energy raising in the begining (after relaxation and before going into trance). I never return to it during the exercise.
When I feel that I can not go deeper into trance, I simply do some body loosening for a few minutes, as It might triger some exit sensatios. If I feel some of these after loosening, I attemptan exit. However, I have never managed to have even a partial separation yet.

Is it possible that if I include some energy raising before body loosening, It will help to have stronger exit sensations (loosen the astral body more)?

In my opinion, energy raising does not help much. The key to projection is to be in the right state (calm, relaxed meditative/trance). In this state, body loosening and/or an exit tecnique is enough to triger the exit sensations and the separation itself. It is not necessary to do energy raising once more (since I already did it once in the begining).
However, I am not sure about this.
Can somebody give any suggestions? Am I right or wrong?

I have been practicing an OBE tecnique similar to vhat R Bruce decribes in his APbook. He says that the order of the elements of the exercise is this:

1, Relaxation
2, Full body energy circuit
3, Going into trance
4, chakra stimulation and energy raising
5, energy body loosening(optional)
6, attempt exit tecnique if you feel the exit sensations 

Hovever, I am doing the chakra stimulation+energy raising before going into trance (after the full body circuit). I knov that Bruce says that it is better to do chakra stimulation in trance but I am doing it in this order because it is still very dificult for me to get into trance state and I can not remain in trance, vhile doing the chakra stimulation part.

I have never managed to get to the exit in this exercise (I have never even had strong exit sensations). That is vhy I am asking,
Can someone tell me if it is possible to do a successful exit if the execise is done in this order(doing the chakra stimulation+energy raising before going into trance) ?
Thanks for ansvering     

In my "mind awake/body asleep" exercise, I am using noticing( passive awareness) to stay conscious.

I do the execise as follows: I do it right after waking up. I relax then start counting my breath until I reach a light sleep state. I have 2-3 clickouts, then when I return to a more wakeful state I stop counting breath and use noticing to stay aware. Basicaly, I have these few secs long clickouts when I experience random toughts, sounds images( during noticing, I try to passively observe these). Between the clickouts, I return to a more wakefull state.

During this more wakefull state( when I do not see any h images), how should I do this noticing. Should I passively observe the blackness in front of closed eyes? Or should I just go with the flow and passively wait( observe nothing) until I return to sleep state?

I am asking this because, I find it dificult to go into hipnagogia, if I just go with the flow and passively wait. Very often, I loose awareness before getting there. Hence, I am unable to go deeper into the hipnagogia.

In Franks Phasing Resource, I have read that in the beginning of "noticing", you should observe the blackness in front of eyes then as going deeper, you continue to observe the emerging images, sounds, random thoughts,...Am I right?

Is it possible to go deeper into the hipnagogia,  get throught it and experience exit sensations in deep F12 by using "noticing" only?   

Thanks for the info.

Just one more question( TO NOVICE).

Could you tell What kind of "traditional OBE" tecnique are you using? What are you doing before applying the exit tecnique(rolling out)?

Thanks

Thanks.

I have 1 more questions left:

I have read( in R Bruce's book) that it is necessary to use a "mental falling tecnique"( imagining going down in a lift,...) to get into the trance state. However, in my opinion, normal mediatation (breath awareness, mantra,...) ,without the "mental falling", also causes the trance. I am using mantra meditation (this is the only one which works for me) and I find it very dificult to integrate any "mental falling exercise" into mantra meditation.

In my opinion, mental falling only facilitates the process, but it is not necessary. I am saying this because there are many other trance meditation exercises out there which do not involve any "mental falling".

Can someone tell wheter it is absolutely necessary to use "mental falling" to get into trance or not?

As far as I know, the vibrations happen in trance. They indicate that the astral body is loosening. As I know, these vibrations occur naturally when I reach a deep-enough trance. However, recently I have read that you have to do an action (place your awareness outside of your physical body) to triger these vibrations.

Are these vibrations occur naturally when I reach a deep-enough trance? Or do I have to do some action, while in trance, to trigger the vibrations?

As I know, a correct AP attempt goes as follows:
I should relax my body then go into  trance by using some form meditation (breath awareness or mantra), and remain in this state and deepen it until I begin to feel the exit sensations (feeling of heavyness, paralisis, floating sensations, vibrations).   I do not have to do any specific action to triger the vibrations.   

When the exit sensations start, I should try to remain calm and continue the meditation. As soon as I think that these exit sensations are strong enough I should try an exit technique (I imagine myself getting lighter and lighter and floating upwards/ I imagine myself bouncing forwards and backwars more and more, then, when this "bouncing feeling" is strong eough, I "jump" out of my body) 

Can anyone tell me wheter this is a correct method of  astral projection?

Is it true that some people do not feel the vibrations but have other exit sensations(feeling of heavyness, paralisis, floating sensations)?   

I am practicing in the mornings( I have found that this is the only time, when I can go deep enough into the sleep state without loosing awereness). 10 mins afteakrasr waking up, I am going back into sleep state, because otherwise I completely wake up(I am a light-sleeper). Therefore, I can not integrate any energy work into my exercise.

I have read several AP books but never heard about "energy body loosening exercises". I am only familiar with certain "energy raising exercises" , where you activate/stimulate the energy centres (chakras), which will improve permanently. These developed energy centres  can give you more energy for the separation.

Is it useful if I do some chakra activation exercises independently? Or should I ty to look for some more extended "energy body loosening exercises" ?
   

I have experienced several lucid dreams. However, I have never managed to erase the dream imagery around me (to exit from my dream into the astral plane).

Does anyone have any suggestions how can I do it?

Should I just try to imagine a well-known phisicall location (a peculiar building in my hometown,...) and intend to go there? 

When talking about "astral body looseing exercises", are they some form of chakra stimulation?

Regarding the exit tecniques:

As I know, if you want to exit, you should wait for exit sensations( strong vibrations, feeling of expansion,...) then you can try diferent methods to exit ( imagine rolling out of bed, rope tecnique,...). All these require that you feel the vibrations beforehead.
However, when I am in the hipnagogic state and experiencing these "mini dreams", I do not have any of these exit sensations. Should I try these tecniques even if I don't feel the vibrations?

The only method which has already worked for me is as follows: When I am having these mini dreams and manage to stay aware to a certain extend, I try to imagine a place( my garden, my school etc). I imagine myself flying there (rapidly approaching). For some reason, this action trigers the vibrations, which last for 10-15 secs then fade away. Is is possible to have an OBE with this method? What should I do at this point: visualize longer or  try an other exit tecnique( rolling out of bed,...)?

Recently I have managed to go deeper into the hipnagogic period a few times. In this stage the hipnagogic images became more complex "mini dreams" which lasted around 2-5 mins( difficult to determine). Basically, the whole exercise was comprised of these mini dreams and short intervals between them when I returned to a more awake state. During some of these mini dreams, I managed to remain "semi-conscious/lucid"  while others I could not even recall properly.

I would like to ask a question regarding the balance between "falling asleep" and "remaining conscious" in this state.

Should I let myself so close to sleep that the hipnagogic images develop into "mini dreams" even if I only
manage to maintain a small degree of awareness or none?

Thanks for answering.

Thanks for the detailed description.
When I a doing the exercise, I also relax then I try to passively observe the hipnagogic images when they start.

I have been practicing this "mind awake/body asleep" for a while, but it seems rather imposible for me to stay aware (to any degree) during the hipnagogic period. In the best case, I end up in a "half-lucid dream", which ends very quickly.

Could anyone, who is able to maintain some degree of awareness throughout the hipnagogic peroid, tell how do you manage to do it? What exactly are you doing in your exercise? what are you doing before the hipnagogic images appear and what are you doing during the hipnagogic period?
Thanks in advance.

 
I am looking for an effective audio material(binaural beats cd) for astral projection/getting into Trance. I have tried Monroe's Gateway experience CD but it did not work for me. A track is around 20-25 mins long, which is too short for my exercise. I also found the binaural beats a bit too silent compared to Monroe's voice.

Could you recomend a few good "binaural beats" CDs?

Is it enough, if I lie down in a darkened room, Relax my body, simply listen to the CD and let myself fall into a sleep state and do nothing else? Or should I hold my attention on sg( a reccurrent sound on the track, my breath,...)  as if I were meditating?
Thanks in advance.

Usually, I am doing the exercise right after waking up. I also tried to to hold up my arm but after a while it became uncomfortable because all the blood flowed out of my arm and it turned numb.

I have been practicing the "mind awake/body asleep" exercise for around 6 months. However, I am still unable to go deeper into "sleep state"(F10), because I loose awareness when hipnagogic images start to appear.

Basically, when I am doing the exercise, I usually reach a light trance, and experience brief "click-outs". Sometimes I also have longer "click-outs", short dreams, while I am entirely unconscious. The problem is that when hipnagogic images start to appear, I try to passively observe them but I loose awareness completely right when the images began to form. In fact, I use "passive awareness"( or noticing) to maintain my awareness before and during the hipnagogic period. However, I am still unable to deeper into this state(F10/F12) with this method, because I can not stay conscious during the hipnagogic period.

Can you suggest a way how can I stay aware longer in the hipnagogic period?

Is it possible that, with more practice, I'll be able to stay aware longer during the hipnagogia and passively observe these images without loosing awareness completely? 

Thanks for the advices

Basically, when the hypnagogic images start to appear, I should just observe them and try to stay conscious without focusing on anything particular. I've got one last question regarding this state.

When I get closer to sleep state, I experience "brief clickouts"(they last for a few seconds and I only see images during these periods). Between the clickouts I usually return to a more wakefull state for 2-3mins. When this happens, should I use the earhiss (or sg else) until I return to the hypnagogic state, or should I just "go with the flow" and passively wait for the images to reappear? 

Basicaly, I let myself fall into a shallow sleep state, while listening to the "earhiss"(a hissing sound which you can hear in a silent enviroment). After a while, hipnagogic images start to appear. In  most cases, I pay no attention to these images, because I usually fall asleep immediately if I try it. Therefore, I disregard them and continue listening to the earhiss in order to maintain some degree of awareness. Despite having been practicicing for months, I am still unable to go deeper into the hypnagogic state. I am just having some very brief "clickouts" in every 3-5 mins and return to wakefullness betwee each clickout. In addition, I only experience some mild numbness and nothing else from the characteristic sensations of the F10 state.   

Can you give some advice how can I deepen the hypnagogic state? 

when the hypnagogic images start to appear, what should I do?

1, Should I continue observing the "earhiss"( or sg else) and disregard these images?

2, Should I try to passively observe the images without getting absorbed into them?

3, Should I choose sg else to hold my attention( blackness in front of the eyes, breathing,...) instead of the earhiss?

I am using a specific meditative exercise, but I have not managed to achieve a deep meditative state yet.

Basicaly, I simply count my breath( counting after each exhalation), then after 40 I start it over again. I just passively observe my breath and count it, while I try to gently keep all other thoughts out of my mind. In theory, this symple exercise is appropiate for meditation, however, I have not mamaged to get into a deep meditative state yet. I have tried to find some information on the net concerning this exercise, but I could not find anything. 

Has anyone tried this technique? Is this a good way to meditate? I have been using this "counting meditation" for a long time, that is why I do not want to change to something else.

When I am falling asleep, I usualy experience images and thoughts. I try to maintain my awareness by focusing on these hipnogogic images and passively observing them. If I try to focus on something else, this act prevents me from going deeper into the hipnogogic state and soon I wake up completely. Therefore, the only way I can stay in the hipnogogic state is when I am focusing/passively observing the hipnagogic images only and not something else ( breathing, earhiss,...)

Is it possible that, with practice, I will be able to go deeper into the sleep state/F12 while using the hipnogogic images to hold my attention?

Thanks for the advices.

I think I'll choose some visual image to hold onto in order to keep myself conscious when entering the hipnagogic state. I have already tried to imagine "water drops falling into a pool" but I stopped it after a while.

I would like to ask some advice regarding the diferent methods used to maintain awareness while going into sleep state in F10/F12.

Basicaly, when I am doing the "mind awake/body asleep" exercise, I let myself go into the sleep state. Soon thouhghts and visual images(hipnagogic images) start to appear. When this happens I rapidly loose my awareness, but somehow I automaticaly wake up after a few secons.  A repeat this many times during the exercise always returning to complete wakefullness after I loose my awareness in the begining of hipnagogic state. Therefore I do not manage to go deeper into sleep state, because I wake up completely many times. I also have problems with maintaining some degree of awareness when entering into the hipnagogic state.

Is it possibe that with more practice I will be able to stay longer in the hipnagogic state while maintaining some degree of awareness? I used to focus on something( blacness in front of me) to be able to stay conscious during the hipnagogic state. However, this activity prevented me from entering into sleep state. In the first 20 min of the exercise I experienced hipnagogic images for 2-3 times for a few seconds, but after that none (I think because the natural urge to fall asleep disappeared) and the exercise continued as a regular meditation. Therefore, I decided not to focus on anything in particular and simply let myself go into sleep state while paying attention not to fall asleep completely and trying to passively observe the thoughts and visual images in the hipnagogic state.

Can I learn to stay conscious during the hipnagogic state in this way, without using any meditative technique as an aid, which would help me maintain my awareness?