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Is this a way I can separate from my body?

Thanks.

Yes this method is also mentioned in the book, which is for free i case you didn't know, but rather in the back in the direct method section.

This is quite a good realization. All this techniques are basically to move your awareness away from the physical.

Once you feel the technique work you are already out.

Hey Luffy,

first of all gratulation to your discipline in trying so hard that's really inspiring.

Here are the mistakes you make with this technique I read out of your posts:

- it doesn't matter if you awake with or without movement
- it doesn't really matter if you wake up or not in the middle of the night(waking up might be better but its not a must)
- if one thing isn't right you don't seem to make an attempt which lowers your success rate dramatically

Here is the technique and some tips:

Optional: Stand up 6 hours after sleeping (the best time would be: your normal sleep time (between 4 and 10 hours) - 2 hours) keep awaking between 5 to 50 mins and go back to sleep with the intent to wake up motionless and to directly separate.
When you wake up (motionless or with movement) directly try to separate.
If you cant separate circle the techniques for at least 4 times. Each circle shouldn't be longer than 20 secs.
I any of the techniques creates sensations stick with it a little longer (basically you are already in the phase!!) and separate.
Once separated follow your plan of action.

Tips:
Try to simulate the sequence a few times during the day. Start with laying down and thing I'm sleeping. Waking up and so on. Make this for successful separation and for unsuccessful ones. In a phase course you will practice this for 1 hour each day.

Try to use this technique in the afternoon on nap time. Leave the first step of waking up earlier out of course.


Hope this could help, in case of any questions feel free to ask me.

First of all thank you Robert and Xanth for your long discussion. At least I learned some new things from it. It made this topic long and losing its focus but I enjoyed to follow your discussion cause you both stand for your point of view that makes it very interesting for me.

I'll make a quick suggestion now.  If you run with too many potentials in your head, you can get jumbled up.  If you are not as lucid as you'd like to be, or as you think you are, thinking of too many things will just distract you and tumble you into a NLD.

So.  Personal flavor.  Become still in the lucid.  Demand 'awareness', 'clarity', 'control.'  Wait a moment for things to stabilize.  Now, use your intention to move to a new environment that you designate.  If nothing happens, create a door or portal in front of you.  Tell yourself that when you step through that you will arrive at the new location.  Sometimes creating this moment of discontinuity within your environment is enough.

This is a great idea. You could also focus on something for a short time like your hands. And instead of creating a door just go through a door which is already there and focus on the location you want to be in.




How could you be sure that any of these paradises are the real one? Each one of them claims that for itself. I find they are more like places created by astral beings in whatever mindset. Many people get 'lost' there for a period of time cause they think this is heaven, instead of being totally free. But most of them need to get 'lost' there for their journey to continue.


Hope this makes sense. All the best

If your obes are 'boring' try to make a plan before you project and then stick to it.

Examples for plans:

eat something while out of body,
visit a cool place like the pyramids,
travel to space,
travel to the center of the world,
meet a guide,
heal yourself,
ask someone something interesting,
look in a mirror,
take medicine or dr ugs,
create a new space or house or invention,


hope I could give you some ideas

Some people say most of the people don't reach the 'astral realm' some say most of the people don't reach the 'real time zone' or 'physical realm' so which perspective is true?

Probably the one you believe in the most 

Hey luffy28,

the book "the Phase" is indeed a great book to learn how to have obe's in fast manner.

What you experience in the morning is the beginning of a obe but cause of insufficient maintenance the drop off into unconscious experiences. Read the maintaining part of the book "the Phase" and try to apply it to your experience it will help you greatly.

All the best

Even my IP adress is not in the SFS database I still always get this exact same error whenever I want to log in without proxy.

Maybe its cause I'm using an Indonesian IP address?

Hey guys,

finally I made it into the forum. I tried to register here already a few times in the last 2 years but never made it. Most of the time it always came the ban error, which continuous until today if I don't use a proxy. Maybe try to look into that again.


So here some infos about me. Since childhood I was interested in meditation, ghosts and the supernatural. I started meditating when I was 12 years old but only on and off.

Now since 3 years I follow a daily routine, I'm still expanding and exploring my consciousness deeper and deeper every day.


I'm happy to be here now and hopefully I can help some of you and you can help me.


All the best,
WhiteMonkey