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#26
Quote from: zareste on October 25, 2009, 02:00:25
Heh, I was just reading a quote by Einstein. "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

Well, I contest that there is no physical reality, not even an illusion. What we have are intelligent life forms within the universe, viewing it subjectively, each constructing their own model of what the universe is. This means one person's physical reality is not another person's physical reality, even if the two realities can communicate and become similar. No two parts of the universe can view it exactly alike, therefore, one person's reality can follow rules different from another person's reality.

That's why I say dreams are as real as the physical. Some sorcerers in history have 'dropped out' of physical reality to go live in dream worlds with other people. You wonder, how is it possible to leave the physical and live in a dream, if dreams are just a psychological construct?  Simple: Because the physical is a psychological construct.

But hey it's a fun construct sometimes.

What if the astral realms etc are also a fantasy?

The other day I finished reading a book about Remote viewing. The author says that he Remote viewed the creative source etc.  Basically, he said that God was feeling lonesome so he created the Universe, the other souls etc etc. So I was thinking. If God is convinced by someone to go back to the point in time nothing was there except him, everything never existed thus, Immortality is also an illusion.

Besides, the idea of having my immortality always on the line(the author says God will never return to the origin point because he would feel lonely again)lingering in the moods of a God...nah. what I want is to become my own God; independent of the Source so when God changes his mind, I am not destroyed.
#27
A succubus is a male entity that draws heavily on sexual energies. He will be attracted to women who are emanating sexual energies. That said, I really don't see how astral sex would lower a person's vibrations and spiritual Progress. You do have a husband. And...does that halt your spiritual growth?  :wink:
#28
Oh but what, when, the Individual's desire is for emotion and not for "solid reality."

Scientists usually get much pleasure from exploring their minds in the literal sense of 'logic'.

Artists and writers live for emotions. Emotions are transmitted and created by thoughts, creativity and words. Language alone can create emotions and exalt the Artist to what he wants; the state of oneness with his creator lies among the positive energy from the language.

High - Tech to me is useful but only because it will eventually allow me to travel to other planets. Think of the possibilities! the layers of creativity I can acquire by traveling to another worlds; see odd stars and Civilizations I thought were only fantasy. Unlimited potential for unlimited exodus of the physical, emotional and spiritual senses.
#29
Letting go of Greed. Greed is an hindrance to the development of a person's character. The key is to hit the right key between ambition(greed) and desire for evolution. And a willingness to do what's necessary to achieve that evolution. To some people, it might be necessary to let go of their obsession with money. To others, holidays to the Jamaica. And so on.
#30
Welcome to Integral Philosophy! / Re: Pride
October 24, 2009, 21:34:16
Quote from: Fourthdimension on October 24, 2009, 20:49:49
Firstly you write to much Leannain and every other paragraph i expected to be the end of the post but the end was 10 paragraphs later. Am joking i enjoyed reading it. Am glad your happy with yourself because thats all your ever gonna be and am only ever gonna be so we gotta learn to love our selfs for who we are.

Its too late to write a full reply to your post because its 2am here and i just finished work.

but... I can understand what you are saying about the sex thing. How people crave the feeling of ectasy as you climax. But i dont think its just the feeling its more about arrogance i think i think its about knowing that this women/man wants you to take part in sex with them

I could talk about it forever but then i ll be going off topic so i ll tell you the rest another time

as for do we do everything in arrgoance or not well i think we do.
For example One of the users in this thread said something about holding a door for an elderly woman and thinks that it is not in arrogance

I think it is because we only ever do something if it benefits us. Mabye by holding the door you get a good feeling or you feel a good person which is arrogant actions because your doing it for your self

ok say i was wrong about those feelings and someone really did wanna just help the old woman . Well have you ever saw some one walk across the road or in a direction that puts them out of there way of there intended travel just to help her.

i havent

Personally i think everything we do is in arrgoance even our own self development or spiritual or physical development its all done to make us a better person or to look better physically or just to be the best

take care


Ahaha, quite right. If you only felt my discomfort as I  can never finish a poem. I'm always wanting to add something more  :-P.

Yeah. Like I see it. Most humans fall prey to pleasure. Sexual release, in all it's capacities usually traps the person. There are studies that do 'teach' that the human body was designed to bond with another person after sex. That implicates a submission to another person to achieve that pleasure that only the chemical releases of the brain during the sexual act grants.

If the person learns to master the addictive secondary effects he becomes free. The person can get all the sex - or whatever other thing that gives the person pleasure - and still be free.

They say that Scorpios are the most extreme and intense of the signs(not denying what I am) but I think that most humans fall into extremes. We have the monks, denying every ounce of pleasure and we have the Pick - Up artists(casanova wannabes). Both are addicted to their form of pleasure. The monk is addicted to his love for God and to his lifestyle of 'purity'.

The Pick - up artist is addicted to women and to sex. Both candidates can never be free because they dedicate all of themselves to something other than themselves. They become dependent of the object of their love like an infant needs his mother. Only by cutting loose, by spitting in the eye of attachment to the possessions etc, that we love the most - or that we love at all - can the person finally walk the path within extremes.

Then, he can love whatever, he can love whoever, he can do whatever and reach whichever because he became godlike. Nothing can hurt him, because nothing matters to him: he has himself.

Moderating... That, to me, becomes possible by first loving the self entirely. Cover yourself with the loving feelings and emotions that a person would normally feel for another human being or possessions and carve it all onto your self. Become a narcissist. Only, don't hurt other people  :roll:.

My love for something cannot harm me if the loss of it doesn't taint me. Love but don't give it importance. Save the energy you put into creating something frail(like a relationship) and use that to make yourself feel good, elevated and loose.

People in relationships have in the core of their minds the fear of losing the other person, that person that provides the warm butterflies and makes your head dizzy. The person who loves herself, is never fearful. The person can never suffer a loss. That is more important that society and it's need. That vanquishes Nature and sets you above it, not under Her command.

"I think it is because we only ever do something if it benefits us. Mabye by holding the door you get a good feeling or you feel a good person which is arrogant actions because your doing it for your self"


Ah! I was about to say the same thing. I believe that the Gurus, the Ghandis etc do what they do because they feel good when they do it. Don't they feel loved when they love someone? They would hate someone if they sent hate vibrations to any person thus, if one creates the feeling of love in another person, one feels love in it's self. So, being the cynic that I am, I believe that they do what they do, to get the self- validation and the maintenance of their self - esteem by helping other people; loving other people.

There's a woman who lives in my street. I've known her for many years. I grew up with her kids. Well, not to be moral but she treats her husband very badly and has cheated on him. He still loves her and treats her well: why?

Because, to me: by loving her, he feels good about himself. Like he fulfilled his duty.

His wife, goes to Church. Not to help or to even encourage other people to let some positive force enter their lives but because going to the church makes her feel superior to the other women around and it happens that she feels good about it.

So.. the church has become the tool she uses to achieve the good feelings. Without the Church, she would feel bad for what she did to the husband.

The Human Species is fascinating. Despite being a clearly intelligent species, it still relies on emotions to go around. Uncontrolled emotions. I do derive great emotional pleasure from what I treasure but I control it. I don't see many others doing it or we wouldn't have so many guys complaining when they meddle with "Bad girls" and the girls, meddle with the "bad boys".

Humans will do what feels good for them. If treating someone good makes the initiator feel good, she/he will do it.

That is kinda scary. Because if a person thinks hitting someone on the head with a bat is a good thing... :|
#31
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Movies
October 24, 2009, 21:02:18
Quote from: Stillwater on October 23, 2009, 19:01:15

Haha, I thought that this might be a Kungfu-type movie.... Donkey Kong- hilarious

And I watched "Easy Rider" online- absolutely solid. They don't make movies about reality anymore.

Yeah, Tom Cruise's character was pretty good looking, and an incredible character beside- I like the complexity with which he is treated, since villians tend to be so cut and dried, and his motives and expressions are far from 2-dimensional.

Some others:

Mullholland Drive
Battleship Potyemkin
Grave of the Fireflies
Dark City
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest




Tom Cruise's character is called Lestat de Lioncourt. The movie does show him in a light of villain. Which he's not. At his worst, he's an Anti - hero. At his best, he's the Brat Prince of the Vampires. One of the most powerful Vampires to exist despite being only two - hundred years.

He's a very forceful individuality in it's presence on the "Vampire Chronicles" by Anne Rice. I think you'd love the Vampire Chronicles. It's filled with such emotion that I find myself falling time and time again with the characters. Their plight becomes my scenery. Their immortality my own room of impending expectancy.

Anyway.

Brad Pitt Character's is thought of as one, if not - the most beautiful vampire of all and the most human too. Brad Pitt is not bad - looking either  :wink:.


Yeah, I loved the Highlander show too. I've seen the films as well.

"Star Wars - Anikin Skywalker: Intelligence, Power, Wisdom, leadership "


Intelligence? "The Force" grants superior abilities and an access to higher planes of existence, both on the physical and on the netherworld of the Force. Jedis are thus, generally more intelligent than the average person. However, the most intelligent being in the Galaxy was no other than the Attorney of the Dark Side.

The most powerful Sith Lord to ever exist: Darth Sidius known to the public as Supreme Chancellor Palpatine.

He alone, took down the Republic which had been standing for more than 25.000 years. He not only engineered the whole of the clone wars; set up an elaborated deceive to too trick the fall out of planets into the swoon of Count Dooku and he brought the most powerful creature in the galaxy's history - Anakin Skywalke - into the mantle of Dark Sith: Alone. Right under the Jedi's nose.

Even The Grand Master of the Order, Master Yoda, with all his wisdom and experience(900 years of life against 80 years of life of palpatine) was blind to the machinations of the Dark Lord.

Darth Sidious brought forth an age of Sith rule. It could've endured forever if Luke Skywalker had not rescued his father from the dark side.

Ani is indeed the 'Chosen One', the Son of The Force but intelligent was he not. Otherwise, he would've let go of his silly attachment to his wife and would have embraced his destiny to destroy the Sith.

...Without having to become a half - man with the other half being machine and have the Universe suffer so much.

I love Star Wars, yeah. :evil:

Anakin wasn't wise either. Wisdom means looking at others and understanding the wrong in it. in it is what the others did and bore bad fruit. He saw his Master almost fall victim of the Dark Side when his heart's desire was almost killed. A wise man(such as Yoda and Sidious) would've look at that and get a lesson from that. No, it wasn't on him: the wisdom. He became even more arrogant. He thought he could save anyone. But couldn't save even himself.

Leadership? A leader will sacrifice himself to save what he knows is important. Anakin behaved like a 15 year old boy who's father said no to him going to the party.  Ani, threw a tantrum at the Jedi Council because he wanted to achieve Masterhood so he would be granted access to the Jedi Archives to try to find a way to save his wive.

This is not a leader. This is a fool. A fool who lets himself be guided by such a thing as "love" when he, as a the Son of The Force, should be above such attachments.

A leader is Leonidas. King Richard "the Lion Heart", Alexander The Great and others.

I agree with the power part.

He was in fact the most powerful being of all times - the Son of The Force Himself - he alone, had twice the potential of Grand Master Yoda and Darth Sidious, both the pinnacle of the Light and the  Dark side of the Force. Not even Revan - Jedi or Sith - was as Powerful as Anakin and trust me. Reven is held as one of the most pivotal beings of the Force.

All in all. Anakin Skywalker was damn Beautiful. Physically and in the sense of powerful. Power is sexy  :wink:. Gifted beyond belief. Destined to greatness.

What was he, after all? A kid with low self - esteem and too much care for the people who surrounded him.
#32
Welcome to Integral Philosophy! / Re: Pride
October 24, 2009, 20:15:35
Pride? To me, it's  a path for self - love. I see so many people wasting time with relationships(romantic ones), chasing after that elusive physical reaction of chemicals release. That. I could never understand. I have an immeasurable love for art, Literature and the female body(and for myself) but, to love someone like that(or even a bit). Nope, never made any sense to me.

Can't do it either. I am far too in deep with this maddening feeling, dearly in a limbo that cannot  be conquered by anyone; this love that lives for myself and the Arts; The natural love felt by me for me freed me from the attachments most human beings create   to fill the void that seems to exist inside of them.

When you depend on something, and that thing fails you, you end up scared. When one finds all he needs withing himself, there is no way he can be unhappy; he cannot suffer, he cannot feel anything but true greatness. The people Who Go Their Own Way; let it be Pick - Up Artists, video gamers, celibates, a Novelist, a Soldier, a Sculptor  - whatever -; the kind of people capable of filling their void with their own interactions with the self.

That. IS beauty. Perfection in it's exaltation of the self.

People who immerse themselves in the waters of caring, tenderness, affection, and even passion for the self, for the individual that we are, We CAN be; they are not damaged as so many women have tried to tell me because I only want them  for one thing  :roll:.

It's not that I am damaged.

It's that I am complete and in perfection union with my path to happiness: Myself.

I am that road that cannot be unlighted by anyone but me. A marble road that I make shine with every step of the way, dancing, parading: nothing can really take me down. The ceiling.. oh, I swear to you that I'll rip it apart. To dance with shoes of importance - every single mile on them has a name and a pride, exchange it for 25 years and you'll have a heart burning with a song. A song that is never sad; not about what I have, but about what I am. What I am for me and for me alone and how that being on my own, cuts me loose from Sunday's Church(metaphor for obligations to Society) which tells me I have to get loose! I hurried it back, put it lace in black by taking so far the ideals of self - love.

Pride is knowing I don't need the typical landmarks of adulthood to be satisfied with the self. No. To be excited with the self. indeed. With great confusion I observe the rest of males. Their decisiveness in getting married(or in serious relationships) and enduring divorces, nagging wives(or dealing with the same woman on a frequent basis), children, supporting those children, paying for their college, paying alimony - for life - losing their houses and I just shake my head. Who am I to condemn when all I care is about the self?

Yet, it's a book needed for my education and for my liberation. When I was in a relationship, despite it being good by anyone's standards, I was never happy because I had to think of someone else. I would have to make sure the other person was happy because it's in my nature to care with all of the Heaven's intent and bliss for the person I love. Yes, I shifted a bit of that love onto a woman to experience what other males seem to experience(love for a woman) - at great effort - and I deducted that the pleasure, happiness etc, I receive from being with a woman and indulging my curiosity had as a result, a small revenue of pleasure and satisfaction. When she mentioned marriage and children. I knew that was my cue. To shift back my attention.

As soon as I shifted my attention  - from her to myself - the eyelashes of poetry and the gushes of sweetness revolved themselves around me. I am like my own sun. Feeding myself with an everlasting tear drop of understanding, acceptance and love.

What I want. What I really want is to achieve my own slot at the arts. I want to become one of the world's greatest novelist. For that to happen, I need to let go of everything that sets itself on my path. Strangely, I have done so, more so, I feel the more Human for I have found my own path to be there for me.

Logic dictates that one can fill that gap, the gap Humans seem to have, with love for self. And complement a little this and that with casual sex  :wink:. Freedom entails many, many facets. Facets you can embrace only if you understand and are capable enough to not get entangled with feelings for humans. Trust me. If you dominate these rules, great pleasure and fun comes along. Be The Lord Byron you can be. Be the Picasso you can be. Be the Casanova. But never be the guy who works a lifetime to support his wife and children. Don't care if people say Society will fail if the person doesn't sacrifice. Who cares?

I am the future and the past. You are the future and the past. All that matters is you. The rest, is just white noise in the tellie of social conditioning.

Don't humans look for independence? Financial Independence, educational Independence? Well, the next step of true independence is the detachment from 'love' and children. Because we are here to evolve - as many say - I must focus all of my energies, emotions and effort, on me. On the self. By directing all of everything inwards, I evolve. Think, you want to become a world famous Painter. If you are talented enough, sure. With just a bit of effort(not really but for the sake of the conversation lets agree with this), you can get that slot - glory -; an average painter will have to work a lot to become a world famous painter and that means he won't have time for relationships/marriage/children.

Inadvertently, his decision to become a painter saves him from the pit of endless gloom that many, many, married males/living together/having relationships fall in/suffer from, after the divorce etc.

He solves two problems: the inevitability of the Physical and he accelerates his own evolution to godhood.  

As a consequence of this mindset, he achieves the kind of Immortality he desires. I read all the time, on this forum and other forums of the same likeness, that God loves me, that the other side is endless energies of love. Curiously, when I read or hear that I don't get any warm feelings. If God loves me, that is fine, I guess. But I only care for what I need. I don't need God's love because I love myself. Every time I hear my voice: I blush. Every time I see myself in the Mirror: my heart beats with such an intensity.

When I look at my hands: I quake. An earthquake of pleasure.

Human beings celebrate Christmas: I celebrate my birthday because that was the day the most important being in the Universe - to myself - was born. This guy. I alone have the power to change the stars. Stars that are inside of me, celestial spheres of blots of ink that I am capable of writing to MYSELF.

The Love For the Self.

Pride for most people is a defect in one's personality.

To me.....

Oh Apollo, who's arrows cross the morning sky.

To me, Pride is the child of God that I am.


"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars - Oscar Wilde."



Your friend is right - regarding my case -; every act I do is motivated by the arrogance that whatever the outcome(for example: I write a short story and I don't like it), I am still striking to be the best to myself  and that's what matters for myself
:-)
#33
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Movies
October 23, 2009, 17:15:26
Quote from: Stillwater on October 22, 2009, 22:40:04
Interview with the Vampire is pretty good, but the ending is a little cliche.

Bladerunner, Hero, Clockwork Orange, Fullmetal Jacket, Apocalypse now, Artificial Intelligence, Alice in Wonderland, Let the Right One In, Moon, The Star Wars series for sure, What Dreams may come, Hook, Highlander

Yeah. But those vampires were gorgeous, that more than compensates the cliche ending  :-P
#34
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Movies
October 22, 2009, 22:05:26
Interview With The Vampire, Alexander, Troy, 300, Phantom Of The Opera, all of the Star Wars and the Last Samurai.
#35
All of us - according to many OBE researchers - effectuate Astral Projection. Every night. We're not conscious while doing it, that is all.


Attachments don't prevent you from consciously astral projecting. Your mind might be thinking of whatever you fancy; that might present itself as a roadblock but don't be tricked: it's not.

I am very much in love with my earthly attachments and after listening a couple of times the "Gateway" tapes, I did not project -; but, the first tape alone(Orientation, Wave I) made me disconnect from my body really fast.

I mean, when the exercise was over; my entire body was so tired and it hurt. As if I was leaving my body; dissociating my spirit from it, you know?

Yeah, after a few moments, my mind wasn't racing. I wasn't thinking of my earthly attachments.

#36
Quote from: kurai kokoro on October 21, 2009, 05:15:47
yeah that clock thing with the mayan callender would be correct, i keep trying to tell people in my small little hole in the ground town that and they do not believe me I guess all those who believe in something so strongly their minds have too hard of a time of widening their minds for new ideas, and I for one am angery about the whole 2012 movie deal, it's outragious and just thinking about it angers me, people need to wake up and do their research before making a desision on what to believe, they make me think of all of them as zombies towards the media believeing in only what they see and not what they feel from their instects, I believe that a man can turn into a wolf and that in some cases a wolf can inturn turn into a man, however i REFUSE to beleive in the end of the world.

we humans are the most adaptable crittures on the face of the earth, we have survived in scortching heat, searing cold, we are man, we have adapted to the food that the earth gives to us and we have spat in her face however all is not lost if people do their research before making a desicion.


If an Alien species pops up and lays waste to the planet with Nuclear bombs: so much for mankind's skill for adaptation  :-P
#37
Yesterday I was listening to the "Orientation" tape of the First Wave Cd of the Monroe "Gateway" program. While I was there, looking at the darkness(my eyes were closed), suddenly, the image of a house comes out of nowhere. I didn't imagine it. It just sprang. Is that the Hypnagogic state?

Thanks  :-)
#38
Quote from: zareste on October 20, 2009, 01:25:46
That's hilarious.

AnywayI've been learning how to change things on a massive scale like this, and, ironically, I've learned much of it from the Federation.

If we would take our attention off the big-shot rulers of the galaxy for a moment. Notice all these ordinary people who are unopposed to exploitation, unopposed to destruction, unopposed to slavery - they justify it, even when it's happening to them.

Kinda strange behavior, isn't it? They're victims, sure, but should they be rescued? Do they WANT to be rescued? If we destroyed the beings who trap spirits on this planet, the ordinary death lovers among us would take over and continue the entrapment. So the problem isn't a small, elite organization, but masses of people, all victimizing each other and they love it.

So, the solution is not to target the leaders at all, but to aim for the little guys who uphold the leaders.

What to do about these people? Simple: Give them more of what they want. As long as they enjoy the cycle of torment, we can give them more than they can handle, until eventually they decide this isn't fun anymore, and they'll quit. It's a bit like making a kid smoke a box of cigarettes so they'll never want to smoke again.


I see. We'll override their capacity to enjoy the suffering etc, they get from ordering beings and setting up the whole system, by overloading their receptor "implants".


Have these beings(the ones in command) achieved their ultimate evolution or have they achieved a level of evolution that, they are satisfied with - thus they stay there - or are they stuck in it because of their devious ways?

What about other, more powerful beings? Why don't they do something about this? And what do you think of the "we can't destroy energy, only change it" ?
#39
Did they erupted suddenly or they built themselves up. Slowly?

What about your heart? You heard your heart? loudly? mildly?

#40
Quote from: zareste on October 18, 2009, 16:43:15
I can believe that. Like I said, some people have an unadulterated choice to incarnate.

The way I understand it, incarnations aren't controlled by any central force - no deity, no a universal karma, no universal rules. It's only individuals and groups who make rules. A spirit could theoretically show up and incarnate where they want, provided they're able to inhabit the desired body, and provided they don't meet any resistance from people or groups.

But there are interstellar organizations who control much of this planet, and they put most of the spirits here. The 'Federation of Light' seems to control most of it. I guessed 90% earlier. The various groups have different views on 'free will', as some give you free selection of places to incarnate, while others tell you where to go, what to do, and they can have some cruel methods of making you do it. Some use slavery, trickery, coercion. The Federation likes to use subtle manipulation. When they want you to incarnate somewhere, they ask you politely, and if you say 'no', they'll try a little harder to convince you. If you continue to say 'no' they'll start to penalize you, saying something like "if you don't, you'll have to incarnate on a lower planet", and the penalties get worse and worse until you say 'yes'.

This, in their mind, is "choosing to be born here"

The Federation then accepts no guilt for any hardships you endure, and is not at all concerned with how you live or die. They basically pile low-level spirits onto the planet and keep a loose watch over them, using Earth as a sort of daycare for careless, misdirected kids.

And how does one become Powerful enough to destroy those beings?

I must agree with you. I doubt I had free will, when it came to this. To be reborn on this planet. Why would I come here? I am in love with the stars. I want to spend my time in space ships, visiting other planets, finding ruins etc etc. I do resent being stuck on this planet. Why would I have chosen this if it makes me unhappy? To learn something? nah. Remember. Free will means you can choose. Changing your mind is included. There's no way for me to change my mind, is it? So, there's no free will.
#41
Quote from: Dusty2010 on October 18, 2009, 18:26:23
Personally, I think that if anything happens it will be more of a thought shift that will allow these "4th dimensional" things to be possible in this physical world, so I don't think there will be any more limitations put on us, I think that we'll discover some hidden abilities that we have. 

Basically, I think (hope) sex will still be the same  :-D

Ah. More "esoteric" abilities like: Astral projection, telepathy etc, would become possible for everyone, easily. I see. Well, yeah; Astral projection sure sounds nice(and must be very nice) but Leannain would choose to stay in 3rd dimension if 4th dimension means no more casual sex, sigh.
#42
Plenty of guys over here(and gals) and plenty others - former member of this forum - have visited other planets. Speaking for myself; no, I have never visited other planets. That's one of the main motives(other worlds) I'm interested in AP :)
#43
Quote from: kurtykurt42 on October 18, 2009, 02:32:35
If our solar system passes through an area of space with a higher vibrational frequency or higher dimension, it should allow for everyone to enter into this dimension. Although, it might take some kind of mental awareness to enter the higher dimension which some people won't have a problem doing, while for others it may take a couple years.


What does the 4th dimension means in the sense of physicality?

Will sex still be possible and if it is, will it be like it's nowadays? It won't be possible to do it with people you don't love, right?

I'm just a little bit worried 'cause it might just get a little too boring.

I'm far too in deep with the beauty of the Physical to give it all away, just to become a mass of energy.


What can I say? Oh yeah, indeed. I am a Scorpio  :evil:.
#44
Here we go again. Why are Humans so paranoid? everything has to be about gloom and doom. Chill out. Read a Alan Dean Foster book -  they are pretty good. Why do you say the world will end(as we know it, supposedly)? What evidence is there? And why would it be in 2012? Not 2000? or 1990? Or the year 666 A.D?