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Jilola

Jilola, I'm sorry, I think your answers are incorrect.  But it was a great try though.  You still get a 100 points for trying.

Timeless I see your point

Some of those people may choose not to do the right thing, and continue to try to bother someone, but even in that case the person should just ignore it and go on.

I also agree with you someone or some people stepped on my buttons when I was just on here minding my own business and trying to find information, and in self-defense I stepped back on their buttons, hence a chain reaction.

I think from this thread everyone can see that we all have areas to work on.  I for one plan to work on the areas that I need to work on, no matter what others may choose to do.  And in quoting you timeless, even if certain others do not choose to work on the areas they need to work on, we should not let it bother us, and just go on.

See all of you on the interesting topics out there.  I think we have reached the answers on this thread that we were looking to find.

In a way this is the Answer

If God doesn't exist, then we are up a creek.  The reason for this is because there is no way we can go back to the beginning and see how everything really happened, and even if we could we probably still would not be able to interpret it all because of probably the forces behing it, because of the limitations of our finite mind.

The only person who could know all the answers and who did see it from the beginning was someone who was there from the beginning.  It would also help if this someone had a larger mind than ours, say an infinite mind.  

God was there from the beginning and knows all the answers, and hopefully one day he will reveal to us which of our theories is correct, and also reveal to us other informtion we could not have possibly known without him telling us about it.

In other words we better hope that God exists, because he is our only chance of one day knowing everything for sure.  If he doesn't exist then we are up a creek and will only have different theories for the rest of eternity.

Hi everyone, I read everybodys posts and replies, nothing bad enough to report to a moderator.

Timeless

You are right about a lot of things in your post, but there is one area that might be off a little bit.  You said if a person fixes a flaw they won't bother you anymore.  I'm sorry that is not correct, even if you fix the flaw some of those people will keep trying to bother you no matter what.  I believe we have a couple of example up above.  I'm sure everyone can find the examples.

Kromeknight

No reason to worry about me buddie.  I have real tough skin.  Nothing haunts me or comes back to bite me for a time, if it does I just consider it a mosquito bite and swat it.  I could understand if people weren't use to certain people who like to stir things up, those people might continue to be bothered by those people, but I'm not.  

I had to fight my way off the street a good time back.  I've had people try to rob me a couple of times. One time a guy pulled out a switchblade and tried to stick me in the stomach.  A police car came around the corner about 5 seconds later, and you know where that guy went.

I've also been robbed at gunpoint to the head.  It's not a very good feeling looking straight into a gun pointed at your head.  Since I wouldn't lie down on my stomach for them to shoot me, they decided to hit me in the face about 10 times.  I guess when they saw that I was a pretty tough guy, they decided to let me live.  Later when I talked to the police officer he was suprised that I wasn't all shook up.  I looked at him and said, "I hope I see those guys again, I'm going to offer to buy them another gun, because they can't hit worth a crap."


I've also had the opportunity to share in a number of fist fights during my sojourn on the street.  I started working for the van lines, and then eventuatlly got me a small moving business going.  


Silva

You haven't said nothing bad enough to report to a moderator.
But in reply to your post, you better believe it, especially if you were going around and messing with and harming other people when I encountered you.  As long as you weren't doing anything like that you would be free to do as you chose.

I do get mental when I see injustice, as do a lot of good people including spirit guides, Angels, and God himself.  I get "mental" but the guy doing the harm to others is going to be the one having the "problems".


To all

I guess I have developed a "self-defense" mechanism whenever I encountered "belligerent", trouble making type people, who cause problems for other.  I guess my "self defense" mechanism is pretty strong, as I wish they would go to "hell" or "prison" or somewhere.  I guess some people are better at dealing with belligerent people than I am.  I for one agree that I have to work on the way I respond to such people, and I plan to do so.

Sometimes people are not themselves and react on the spur of the moment.  In those situations maybe they just aren't really thinking,  and they are not per say belligerant like that or troublemaking like that all the time.  It happens, they resolve the conflict, and then they move on.  But when you see the same people continue to do things and say things like that all the time, and they just continue and continue to act that way and try to take shots at others.  Then you have most likely run into a person who enjoys stirring up strife, being belligerent, and continuing to cause problems.

Nay went off.  I then went off.  She then refrained and apologized to forum members for her part and quit.  I then apologized to the forum members for my part and quit.  But there are other parties that were involved in the conflict who have chosen not to do what is right to resolve things and bring them back to normal. These others are wanting to continue to take the shots, and continue to stir it up, as seen from the posts above by certain people.

Everyone else can sort everything else out.  I've got some interesting subjects and topics that I have to go check on which are posted on the forums.  Hope to hear some interesting information on those subjects from some of you.

Good day all

Good observations everyone

Hopefully by the year 2050 all of mankind will come to the unanimous conclusion that we have a spirit in our human bodies, and that their is an enormous spiritual realm connected to our physical cosmos.

I believe the final debate will come down to five categories

1) An infinite God made out of his own infinite essence all his offspring that presently exist, and gave us all individualistic form out of his own essence, and endowed each of us with free will.

2) An infinite God created us but not out of his own essence but out of the magnitude of his power to call into existence things that once never existed, and then to endow those things that he created out of thin air, with certain qualites that He has within himself.  For example: emotions, feelings, etc.

3) An infinite God has always existed, and so have billions and billions of other spiritual beings.  God did not create those billion of billions of other spiritual beings, they have always just existed alongside God, as God to has always existed.

4) Their are more than one infinite God, and along with these few infinite Gods, have also existed billions and billions of other spiritual beings like ourselves who have always existed, just as the few infinite Gods have always existed.  They did not create the billions and billions of spiritual beings, but just have existed along side of them.

5)  There is no God or Gods at all, but there has always existed billions and billions of spiritual beings.

I would like everyone's input on which of the categories they think it is, or if they think there is another category? And also why they choose to believe the category that they believe?

Timeless and Frank

I just realized something else, that one should consider.  The people on these forums are from many different countries.  Do you remember your comment about the French.  Well I guess maybe it's possible that the peoples of certain countries have certain tendencies in their behavior.  You can not apply it to all the citizens of that country, but as an overall picture certain people of certain countries may be known for certain things.  For example Ronaldo is from England.  I do not know much about the English people.  But I cannot always expect someone to be rational as I may see things through my American Culture, and expect them to try to be the type who wants to eventually resolve conflicts.  Maybe people of certain countries and cultures are known by certain habits throughout the world.  Maybe some people are known for striving on conflict or trying to stir conflict up.  I hope that is not the case, but it might be so, and may take a lot more work with certain people because of the cultures they are from.

If that is a case, then having an good understanding of the different cultures, may help you put things in a better perspective in not letting certain people get to you, by just realizing that is the behaviors of that culture in many areas of it, and that those people grew up in that culture, and may or may not have been influenced by certain aspects of that culture.  You won't be able to really know until you interact with them.  But I feel that even in situations where culture has affected someones personality in a way, that they still have the ability to change, and to learn from their mistakes if they choose to; However, there will be those who opt not to choose to.  It's their choice but we shouldn't let it affect us either way.

Hi Frank

I'm going to briefly respond to Ronaldo's comments.  Yes before when someone came at me for no reason at all in a totally inappropriate way, I gave them their exact same medicine back as a deterrant to leave others alone.  They attacked me for no reason at all and used strong words against me, and I used strong words back.

I was not like the people who attacked me, in that I'm the type person who believes you should mind your own business and not going around starting things with other people.  However there are people on this forum that do not hold the view that I have there, and me and a couple of those people clashed.

I made a mistake, I should have avoided the clash and handled it a different way.  Instead of giving them their medicine back and returning strong words for strong words, I should have just contacted a moderator instead before they were able to keep causing me problems to where I reached my limit.  Actually I'm a little concerned there, because I did do that, and no moderators responded to the one or two emails that I sent.  I think this situation is one in which we all will learn from even the moderators.  They should respond when someone sends an email for help before something gets out of hand.

I'm going to learn from my mistakes whether any of the other people involved who were attacking me choose to learn from their mistakes or not.  They might choose not to, and continue to go around starting things with people for no reason at all.

Now that I understand the forums a little bit better, I am going to use a different view and approach when I encounter people who want to cause problems. I'm going to choose to learn from my mistakes, and just not let certain people try to get to me anymore.

Who thinks pain, suffering, and evil will be with us in our world forever.  Will it only be an aspect of the physical world?  does not everyone believe that pain, suffering, and evil is also part of certain parts of the spiritual world.

Also in our physical world we have such things as tornadoes, earthquakes, tidal waves, volcanoes, and other such calamities.

Does anyone know of such calamities or flaws in the spiritual realm? I guess are there any tunnels that go wrong, or any vortex's that can injure or take the lives of spiritual entities in that realm that such entities have learned to avoid?  What environmental dangers exist in these spiritual realms, besides the ones attributable to harmful entities?  They may not be known by the names above, but has anyone heard of such calamities in the spiritual realm?  Or is the spiritual realm basically perfect, except for the harmful entities that sometimes exist in certain parts of it?

Frank

I never said that people of all ages weren't allowed to engage in conversations on the forum.

Our conversations has been about how to handle difficult situations that may sometimes occur on the forum, because of the interaction of "offensively mode" type people, who are usually in the minority.

I think in our conversation we found the answer to that question, but it did kind of help that while we were looking for the answer, we had an example of a person who engaged on the forums in a "offensive mode" posture, to shed light on our conversation and the answer.

Just as that person had a right to interact in our conversation, so do people on the forum who are looking for answers and information have a right to find the best way to defend themselves from "offensive mode" people who might come to their sites or forums to cause problems or take shots at other people.

From talking to you, I believe an answer that we can somewhat agree on is to report such an individual to a moderator if their behavior is going to keep being a source of problems.  The solution is not to give them their own medicine back, but to just let the moderators handle "offensive mode" people who just won't let up on new members or others who believe differently than them.  Another answer is to realize there are a lot of different subcultures, some that maybe aren't very nice, and just the awareness of that fact alone will help you not let people bother you or push you to your limits.  

We all have things to work on, as again my only intent when coming to this forum was to gain information and share things with others.  I did not expect to encounter many of the things that I encounterd, and it has taken me a little bit to know how to properly respond to things going on that I saw were not right, and to not let those things affect me.

Frank

Do you see, my point exactly.

You can describe a person that jumps into a conversation like you and me are having, and says the things that you just saw the person say, as one of the people who are on this forum who enjoys always engaging in the "offensive mode".  

There is a minority of people who whether because of maturity or some other reason like to cause things and act in a "offensive mode", even when someone is trying to engage in a serious or mutually respectful conversation.

However, I'm not going to report him to a moderator.  But I think you see my point.  I'm here to learn things, and I'm just going to find people who are interested in the same thing.

Frank

If those things were not important then why did we even bother saying them.

There are definately different subcultures on these forums.  There are the tight nit groups, some are nice and respectful, some are not. Amongst all the people on the forum there is a minority that should not be, but that is in the "offensive mode" concerning new members or people whose beliefs they disagree with.

Also profanity is not the only thing that people should work on, they also need to work on not calling other members stupid, all out idiots, ignorant, Pieces of ?, or whatever other terms that many of the "offensive mode" minority members like to use.  Along those lines they also need to refrain from trying to attack people until they finally push them to their limits.  We all have cussed every now and then when someone won't quit causing us problems, and pushes us to our limits.

My view on everything now is I'm just going to find people on the forums who are respectful and want to learn things and share information, and if a wolf happens to jump on that topic and start something with someone for no reason at all, I'm just going to e-mail a moderator.  I'm no longer going to try to use their own medicine to defend myself back.  I will just ignore their attack, and hope a moderator will deal with them if the moderator sees that they are on a particular forum not to be useful, but to just play around and cause problems.  That's my view of things from here on out.  I came on here to find beneficial information that I was looking for, I guess I had to learn how to wade through the different subcultures that are on the sites (even the ones that are looking to cause problems), and find the best method for dealing with those people who enjoy operating in the "offensive modes".

Frank there is no contradiction in what I said and what you said

I haven't been in the offensive-mode since I have been on this forum.  I have been jammed into a "defensive-mode", which I would prefer not to be there either. But I've been jammed in that mode only by a small tight nit group.  Most all the people on this forum have been nice and helpful, and I've had no problem freely interacting with those people.

As I said the bottom line is that people just mind their own business, and not going around starting things with people for no reason at all, and a person's interactions on the forum should go just fine, except for the few people who will attack you for no reason at all (the few people who stay in the offensive-mode all the time)

We said the exact same thing Frank, there were no contradictions in our terms (you're just playing with semantics), and I agree people should be barred from this forum that are only on here to play around and cause problems with other people for no reason at all.  However people in the "defensive mode" should not be barred.  The people that should be barred are the people who are always actively in the "offensive mode".  Once the "offensive mode" people are not all there in their tight little nit gangs or whatever, no one will ever have to be in a "defensive mode" again.

However those gangs in the "offensive mode" shouldn't be barred until they are first given a chance to know what they are doing to new members and current members is wrong, and are given the opportunity to stop their behavior all together, and begin mutually respectul dialogue.

Those in the offensive mode should be given a chance first, and if then one or more of them still like going after a sheep like a pack of wolves, then something should be done.  But they should first be given a chance to change their ways before that happens.

timeless

you can see my reply on the "call to order" forum.

Timeless

I may have issues to deal with, but so do all people.  But you are talking to the wrong person.  You should be talking to the people who are going around taking shots at people and still trying to stir everything up.  Do you not think that people who take shots at people and go around stirring things up have any negative baggage?  Or do you think those people are crystal clean?  Why are you not addressing those people, when those people are the cores of the problem all together?

Which person do you think has the most negative baggage, the person who takes a shot at someone and starts something for no reason at all, or the person who doesn't like people trying to walk all over him and minds his own business most all the time but defends himself when attacked. Which of those people have the most baggage, and which of those people would someone who really cared about a situation address their comments to in order to find a solution to the problem or conflict.

If someone came up and physically attacked you, and I was close by, I wouldn't just say to you that you need to just quit reacting, and that by reacting you are showing negative baggage.  I would confront the other person instead and try to stop them so that they didn't harm you further.

I would not tell you that you are reving yourself up and buring yourself up in fumes.  Nor would I tell you that by reacting to the person that you are responding to your feelings of anger and hatred.  What I would do would be to analyze the situation, and try to determine who started what, and who was right and who was wrong.  If I thought that you were in the wrong even though you clearly showed that you did not want to be a part of the fight.  I guess I could sit back and address all my comments only to you and tell you not to react because it shows your inner baggage.  Or if I thought the other person or group was in the wrong, I would step and and immediately address them and help you.  If by chance you happened to injure your attacker by hitting him in the eye thereby saving your life, before I could get in and help you get him off.  I would still ask you if you were okay first, and get you help.  Only after first making sure you were okay, would I then seek to get the other person help who started it all in the first place.  I then would take him either to jail or the hospital.

But in no wise would I say to you just don't react because you are showing your inner baggage, and watch you get creamed.  I would address the attackers whether it was one or whether they were a bunch of friends attacking you.  And try to put a stop to it.  Becasue I would know that after I dealt with those people or attackers, there would no longer be a problem anymore anywhere, because you never wanted to be engaged in what you were in anyway, but in a way had no choice.

I really do not want your help in this situation, just like you would not want my help in a situation if all I was going to do was stand by and watch someone attach you, and say don't react because it shows your inner baggage.

If possible some of the other people on this forum who need help on inner baggage like the people making attacking comments might welcome your help.  You can check with them and see, if they want you to help them with their inner baggage.

Well it looks like some are on this board sincerely knowing there needed to be a call to order, and others are on this board seeking to get one in for their friend who created the conflicts to begin with.  

I won't mention any names.  But concerning whether or not someone can ever want God on their side.  I think it would be better to have God on yourside than the devil or negs.  And concerning if someone was under attack from someone, if God did happen to be on their side, and they did need help because of an outnumbered situation, whether meaning it or not they may ask God to help them with there enemies.  People ask Spirit guides all the time to help them combat their enemies, negs or anything else.  I think we should all go laugh at those people, because as we know, God nor spirit guides are never on anyone's side in a conflict, let alone will they go stop or smite some enemy or adversary who has chosen to engage in conduct that has harmful purposes for other entities.  

the question is when God or spirit guides harm some entity or entities does it therefore make God or the spirit guides bad people because they sought to stop, harm, or imprison certain entities that were engaging in things that were not right.

Is force ever justified in stopping oppression, whether the force or words used by the person is meant by the person or not.  If those words can actually put an end to the oppression, and insure that those certain entities never do things like that again.  Maybe in the Bible God never really intends to send anyone to "hell" even though he may punish some, he just said what he did as a deterrant so that he could hopefully restrain entities with "free wills" from going out and messing with other people.

It's a contradiction to take shots at someone out of one side of one's mouth, and then to talk about we need to have high standards out of the other side of their mouth. If people have tough skin they don't need to be embarrased about something, if they feel they did what was right to stop some kind of a oppression.  Some people can deal with a situation one on one, but when they see others messing with others they won't speak up because they do not have the guts to confront a small nit group, who may be causing the problems.  I stood up for what I though was right to put an end to the abuse that sometimes happens to new members who just come on the forum to try to find help for something.  If it comes down to it actually, I bet you, everybody on this forum thinks God and spirit guides are on their side, and will help them if they are ever attacked by one harmful entity or a group of harmful entities, and will put a stop to those entities or imprison them, or whatever.  Maybe we should laugh everyone off of this board according to the logic of some people, because everyone holds those beliefs.  At least they hold to them until someone dares to say something to one of their friends, because their friend is out starting things with people for no reason at all.  In that situation those people don't care if there friend was in the wrong or not, they are going to attack the person that their friend is in conflict with even if it means they are attacking a good spiritual guide, a Holy Angel, a good person, or God himself. Their attitude is, "Let's show these new people that we run the forum, and they better not speak up when someone violates their rights".  That is the way some people are thinking.  It's only a small minority of people, but those people need to learn to quit doing that.    

Bottom line is this, don't mess with other people and don't go around starting things with other people for no reason at all, and you have a good chance of being able to safely interact on this forum, except for those certain people who will start something with you whether you want to be a part of it or not.

But then again as some people think maybe we should be dressed to kill, and not just to maim.  I think such an attitude will not help a call to order.  I think any more response on this call to order should seriously address this issue, if anyone really is sincere about not stirring things up, and getting everything back to normal.

I see your points Kalonek

  What makes it difficult to find certain answers sometimes is because it's possible for some of these complex terms to be given different definitions without anyone really knowing which definition is correct.

For example the definition of the word "perfect".  One definition of the word in relation to us is that "perfect" means having a "free will", and not being created as robots.  This means that a spiritual being who was perfect must have the requirement of having a "free will", and not just be a robot.  But the problem with free will, as that some people can use their free will to choose not to do good, and to try to cause problems with other people.  If they did not have that option they would not be "perfect" as defined in the paramenters of a "being" with a "free will".  It's true they are not in any way perfect in behavior, but they are perfect in the sense of being a being that has a "free will".  

So God did create us as "perfect" spiritual beings with free will.  But such free will has the possibility of misuse of creation by those entities.

God is still perfect and so are his created offspring, but his offsprings actions are not always, by the choice of their own "free wills".

This same problem with the complexity of many definitions for a complex word can also apply to such terms as timelessness, soveignerity, omnipotent, omniscience, etc.  There are a number of options for these terms.  Only God and reality know for sure which of those definitions is correct, all we can do is come up with the different definitions and options, and try to center in on the ones that match most with reality.

I agree with everyone


   I do not think the Big Bang created spiritual entities.  I'm making the above topic to possibly prove that God does exist.  Eventually all the scientists and everyone elso who does not believe in God are going to find out about the spiritual realm, and that spiritual beings are a reality, if some of them haven't already found that out.  At that point in time they are going to have to come up with some kind of theory, of if there isn't a God, then where did the spiritual realm and spiritual beings come from.

At that point in time they have two choices they must try to come up with a theory of how the big bang created the spiritual realm and spiritual beings, or they are going to have to reach the answer that a God does exist whether the big bang theory concerning the physical universe is correct or not (and believe in both of them).  Or they might try a thrid route and try to explain how spiritual beings have always existed even before any one particular big bang occurred.

But one conclusion they are all going to have to reach is that a intelligent spiritual Being or intelligent spiritual beings existed before any big bang did.

As far as the belief I presently hold to, I believe one infinite being from which all spiritual beings at first existed in a non-individualistic form, chose to give us individualistic form and bring us into existence out of his own spirit nature which is infinite in himself.  So he can bring as many of us into existence as he wants, and it will still never affect the quantity of his infinite essence, as that essence is infinite, and capable of extension beyond infinity.  I also believe he had the ability to instantly create the cosmos in it's exact form that it exists in now, and to instantly create it where the gravities and parameters he set up keeps everything in place, and everything has it's own unique motions to itself.  Wether it be comets, black holes. asteroids, or anything else that is part of the physical universe.

but I'm interested in other people's views on what course they think scientists will take when they finally discover there is a spiritual realm and that spiritual beings exist, and that people just don't disappear when they die.  Some of the present day scientists are already aware of these certain realities, but I believe quite a number do not believe.

Jacob

what you fail to understand is that I originally got on this site looking for certain answers, and had beneficial topics on the forum.

Then a small tight nit groups started attacking with attempted invalidating comments for no reason at all.  Who is the more justified the person who first gets offended, or the person who gets offended because someone would dare defend themselves and say something back to them.

I got offended before any of these in the tight nit group did.  I actually got attacked and offended a couple of times before I finally started saying something, back or defending my self.  If that is called being mad, defending yourself, when someone tries to mess with you for no reason at all.  And sane means letting people walk all over you.  Then I would rather be mad under those definitions.

So you can say what you want Jacob, as you have not seen everything that has transpired.  But if anyone has been vindictive or hateful which started all these things, I'm not the one in first place under those terms.  I have always, with all intentions, had came on to the forums just to mind my own business, and to find out new information and to share knowledge with others.  I just got pushed to my limit by certain people, and I lost it.  And out of response I just wished that God would give them back everything they deserve.  There was no death threats, just a strong wishing that God would give them what they had coming to them. What God chooses to do or not to do is up to God, and if he does choose to do something who can question him for it, and who can hold others liable for it.  God defends the weak, those at a disadvantage, and the minority.

I just got pushed to my limit and lost it.  I apologize that there were people on this forum who could push me to my limit.  But there is one thing that is true in all of this, if there was anyone who was offended, I was the first to be, and the second to be.  Finally I started defending myself only to find that there were to many people in the tight nit group to defend myself against.  I probably had about as much as a chance as Spirit gurl did.  I think she is smart and has moved on to other forums and topics and has been able to avoid certain people all together.  

have a good day

Squeek

  You are a peaceful warrior.  You seek peace and understanding and everyone getting along at all times.  You are beyond your years.  Don't let anyone as you're growing into an adult ever change that, and you will grow into a fine adult.  You will run into people who are going to say hurtful things at you some times for no reason at all, but don't let it get to you or change your view in life.  You have the correct view in life, and you are way beyond your years.

If you think you are annoyed at that, you ought to see the statement that Silva made to Neg removal5 before that.  Silva jumped onto a forum topic out of nowhere and just started calling neg removal5 a bunch of names like idiot, stupid, and a few others for no reason at all.  Actually she had a reason, one of her buddies goingslow who liked causing problems on the forums, and who didn't like neg removal5, asked her to go to that site and start something with him for no reason at all whatsoever. I had never talked to that person once up to that time, and didn't even know she was on the forums.  She just shows up and starts attacking me for no reason at all.  That's what is annoying, and that is what is wrong.  People have a right to defend themselves on the forum.  That person was causing problems on the forum for no reason at all.

Hi Inguma

   Apparently goingslow decided to totally be disrespectful to you concerning the first warning you gave to all members.  He is part of a tight group of bullies on this forum.  Also he is the cause of everything that just transpired, and he has the nerve to disregard what you just said in your previous comment and continue to try to stir up something that he started to begin with.

He told that female friend of his Silva to jump onto a site, and start something with someone for no reason at all, and told her to call the person stupid and moron and other names for no reason at all when that person didn't know her from Adam.  And had never said anything on the forums to her up until that point in time.  He couldn't even say the things his self, so he tried to get a woman to start things for him, and she was totally and completely in the wrong for doing that.  He was totally and completely in the wrong for asking her to do that.  Alchimiste and goingslows replies on the website have not been courteous and kidding around, they have been rude, insulting, obscene, and derogatory, along with invalidating from the very beginning.  Here's a reply by goingeasy where he admits to stirring everything up, and getting his friend to do what she did.


goingslow
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Just a to whomever cares thing. Its not like I called someone up and said Hey do me a favor.. come on this board.

I showed her the little arguments going on she thought it was funny.. she later on responded.


By all their comments they were not wishing me will, nor were they wishing me a good life or long life, nor were they wishing me goodluck in this life or the next.  I finally reached enough with those guys, as they also try to always draw other people into the situation.  I just gave what they were wishing me back to them, but at least I was nice encough to do it in private.  I made no death threats, I just told them I hope God gives them what they deserve.  If God acts upon that or thinks it might be a good idea, who can question God if he decides to do something or not. Whether I sincerely expected God to do something or not, or whether I'm a person who just finally got pushed to my limits.  Whether I was serious or not, Goingslow seems to think there have never been any humans that God would consider such a request from, he is mistaken.  Their names are Elijah, and Paul, and a few others.  They have made such statements to God, and God has acted upon them.  So I guess they would be classified as mentally unstable people to, and they were people who actually meant it.  

Whether I just got pushed to the limit, and meant what I said or not, I just know I got upset and tried to find the words of how upset I was. They are real smart they go out and try to push certain people to their limits, and then they try to turn around and act like they weren't doing anything.  Goingslow acts like he's upset.  Well Goingslow ought to be more upset than anyone else on this forum, after all, he put Silva up to going around and causing problems with people for no reason at all.  Goingslow goes out to try to kill (slang for trying to cause them a lot of problems) people on the forums and sends in his buddies, and when he can't pull off what he is trying to do, he gets upset.  If you ask me that is the sure sign of a mentally unstable guy. (his line of thinking, oh you won't stand still and let me break your arms and legs, oh now I'm upset and I'm going to go tell everybody - that's how logical goingslow's thinking is)

Again I was finally tired of the problems they kept causing me, but I was nice enough to respond in private.  They have been doing it in public.  And are continuing to do it in public, by goingslows intentional disregard of your warning to all parties.  It's like he's saying my group can bully any new members on this forum, and we can also bully any particular moderator because of our bully numbers.  He (goingslow) then says just watch how I disrespect this moderator and he doesn't do anything about it.

Inguma, you know what went on.  You know goingslow had silva jump on that forum and start something for no good reason at all.  You closed out that thread, and it's still perfectly clear on that thread what happened.  Silva jumped in there just to causes problems at goingslow's request.

I will also inform you if on any other topics that I have on the forum, if one of the parties listed above jumps on it and starts causing anything again.  I will not reply to their attempted invalidating remarks, I will just send you an email informing you of the situation, so you can give them another warning if needs be. Already another one of their buddies below, Jacob, is trying to continue everything.  If the person below does not leave me alone at any new topics I create on the forum, I will send you an e-mail regarding him.  Goingslow up above said that I don't exist to him.  That is odd because I have been trying to not exist to them, or them to me, for the past 30 or more derogatory comments him and his bully friends have been putting on my topics, as they wouldn't leave me alone.

Could you please inform goingslow, who thinks he is a moderator and who thinks he has the power of a moderator, that what he and alchimiste did in starting things with new members and trying to get buddies on the forum to start things with other people is totally inappropriate.  I believe if they were to receive such a warning, which is only just based on their behaviors and derogatory reply posts where they have been following all my topics around.  I believe that would be fair to all people on the forum, and would also serve to let goingslow, and alchimiste, and a few others know that they didn't get away with something, and put a deterrant in their path where they do not engage in such totally inappropriate behavior with other new members or people on the forum again.


Thank You, Inguma.

At least I'm respectful enough to thank you when I talk to you, and I don't deliberately disregard things that you say as goingslow and probably a few others would do.  I want to thank you for being fair in this situation.

As you can see

  Jacob is a prime example of what I'm talking about.  He enters a forum is not aware of what all has transpired, and based upon people posting non-beneficial replies on the forums, replies that the person posting it may have been the one that stirred everything up from the beginning, and then another fight or argument breaks out on the forum.

I'm not going to fight or argue with Jacob.  But the situation shows how if one person on the forum has pull with another person, and they don't like somebody else for whatever reason, they try to get as many people as they can to attack the one person and stir up a lot of stuff on the forums concerning that person, so that when a new person or someone else jumps on the forum, without having any idea of what has been going on or what has transpired, they jump into the atmosphere of conflict and argument that has already been created on that forum, not knowing who started everything to begin with or not, and the arguments and fighting continues.  

That is why if anything is going to be worked out, it's beneficial for old non-productive posts to be deleted.  Otherwise you are going to have your Jacobs and a lot of others just coming in and stirring something up that has already settled down.  

Frank again, you were right to call a call to order.  And you are right that once the moderators see that the forum members can't courteously and professionally interact with each other without someone starting something else with somebody for no reason at all.  Then the moderators or going to step in for the first time and do certain things, and once that first step has been done, the moderators will react much quicker next time with even minor things that they see could get out of hand, and when they originally felt the forum members could professionally interact amongst themselves, they will now think that is not the case.  If we want the moderators to think we can handle these situations on our own, then we need to realize we all maybe contributed our part, and act like adults and treat all new members with respect and helpfulness.

Hi Frank

   Your call to order was a good idea until Silva started deciding to take shots again.  Sweet innocent Silva "Oh Poor me I haven't done anything wrong at all".  Frank Silva is the person who started everything.  Go to the thread that Injuma closed, and you will see that she just jumped into that forum, and started something with me for no reason at all whatsoever.  But she didn't do it on her own, she did it at her friend goingslow's request.  They have a small little group of people that like going around trying to bully people off of the forum.

Frank if someone tried to do something for their buddy on a forum by jumping onto another forum and start insulting somebody for no reason at all, how would you react or feel by a direct attack like that with the person calling you stupid and an idiot and other things, and you had never even talked to that person on the forum before.  You didn't even know them from Adam, and they just want to pop up and start something for no reason at all.  What kind of a person is that.  Well Silva is that person.

I originally got on this web page looking for answers to help people, and since I've been here I've encountered a lot of nice helpful people.  But I've also encountered these small groups of 2 to 3 people who like to cause problems on the forums, and are not on the forums really to learn or find things out, but just to play around.

Look at the thread that Inguma closed out, and just see what Silva did.  What I said to her on that thread was totally in self-defense. About 3 bullies on that thread and on other forums have been following my topics around and causing me trouble.  I had finally had enough.

If you read some of those people's threads on the site that Inguma closed, you will see that those people were not wishing me will, nor were they wishing me anykind of long life, nor were they wishing me good luck in this life, the next life, or any other life.

I just said the same things back to them, and by "Hell" maybe I mean more that I hope there is a prison where groups of bullies like that can maybe be restrained so they can't go out trying to bully others or just jump on a site and start things with someone for no reason at all.  Then after they do that they then go run to a moderator and say oh "poor sweet innocent me didn't do nothing" and look what this person said about me.  If that doesn't work and the moderator doesn't buy their story, then they will jump on some other forum topic like yours Frank and say "oh look at poor me, I'm sweet and innocent and haven't done anything wrong", and try to get you to buy into it Frank.

I'm all for one ready for all of these comments and attacks to come to an end right now.  But I'm not going to let a group of 3 bullies attack me, and think I won't say anything back to them in self-defense.

Also in reply to Silva's comments, she has edited that comment, I never called her a "filthy grump" she added that in herself, I guess to try to show how "sweet and innocent" she is.  But all one has to realize she is the culprit behind all of this is to look at the thread that Inguma closed out, where it clearly shows that she just jumped into a forum and started trying to insult someone for no reason at all.

I will admit that I finally go fed up with being attacked by goingslow, Silva, Alchimiste, and a couple of others in their group.  I sent each of them in there group a message, it was four messages, Silva has edited hers to try to get effect.  However my 4 messages is pale in comparison to their 30 or more slanderous replies and attacks on me on my topics, that they had nothing beneficial to say about, and also would not stay away from.  

I'm hoping the moderator will issue a statement to all parties involved that they are no longer allowed to post any replies on any topics created by the parties in conflict.  And I also hope the moderator will make it where he says not to post and replies or send anymore e-mails between the parties either by a statement, or by just blocking the e-mail systems of the parties.  Because I for one do not want to get anymore replies or anymore e-mails from any in that small group of bullies.

Frank always remember there are two sides to a story, and that truth is the truth even when it's in the minority as ghandi has said.

Frank you were right to do a call of order, but Silva was wrong to try to stir everything up again, especially since she is the culprit behind it from the very beginning.  But even though that is the case it doesn't mean everyone should turn on Silva, because it was one of her supposedly friends that talked her into doing it.  What needs to be done and said needs to be said to her friend, Silva, and everybody, that for now on we treat all new members with respect, and we seek to say things on the forum that help others and gathers information, rather than trying to attack and slander others because we either disagree with their beliefs, or we don't like them because they are not in our little tight group.

I for one apologize to you Frank, and to the others who were professional and respectful enough not to jump in and make things worse between the parties in conflict.  To all those people I apologize.  But it's hard to apologize to someone like the small group that I mentioned to you, who I never wanted to fight with to begin with and they just started things with me.  I don't know if there can be any reconcillation between me and them.  If they apologized to me for everything they said to me and tried to start with me, then I could probably apologize to them.  Already though it has gotten to a point that even if me and those certain people apologized to each other, a rift has been created between me and those people, which might be okay to be there as long as we didn't have to much communication on the forums.  In other words it would be difficult to have any good feelings toward each other after every thing that has been said and done.  I guess a beginning point would be if all the parties involved went back and deleted all the non-beneficial posts that were made by them which would not aid in anykind of professional and respectful interactions on the forums.  I would probably be willing to do that, as to leave all those posts and replies just invites more people reading them and possibly more arguments starting up, with people jumping in and not even knowing where everything began.  I think people on the forum have a right to defend themselves when attacked, and that right shouldn't be taken from anyone.  However, I think if all people on this forum will refrain from attacking others for no reasons at all, that there won't be anymore conflicts on the forum.
   

In Summary Frank, you were right to make a call to order.  I hope that everybody on the forum will start acting in courteous and respectful ways toward others.

I'm apparently outnumbered here 4 to 5 troublemakers, to one person who just wanted to find out some helpful information on the forum.  Now for now on, if anyone puts any quotes down they need to do it like Alchimiste did.  That way you will not be able to add your own edits to it. For example:  I like how you edited and put in the comment "filthy grump" on your quote their Silva.  I didn't say that you said it about yourself, and made the edit saying that.  What does that say about your thinking. I don't think Silva is filthy, she could be but I wouldn't know that.  But I do think she is a female that goes around causing problems on the forums, jumping in and starting something with someone for no reason at all, because one of her other troublemaker friends ask her to.

I admit that I sent those messages.  But Silva has edited hers.  We need to see the one that goingslow recieved before we can tell if he edited his.

But just as I sent those 4 messages in one form or another, exceptions for the alterations made so far by clever Silva.  So to did all 4 of you send about the 30 or more derogatory messages and replies on my topic sites.  You all seem to outnumber me 4 or 5 to one.  And you replies and messages also seem to outnumber my final 4 messages to you all by about 10 to 1.

It seemed that everytime I tried to just find out some helpful information on this web page, that one or more of you would immediately attack or smart off, or do something else.  I finally reached my point.  I honestly feel that the things and problems you caused me, you would cause to God or anyone else if you could.

Truth is the truth even when it's in the minority.

I admit I do not like any of those 4 or 5 people, and I will also admit I do not wish them luck in the after life.  You didn't see by any of their comments or replies wishing me well or good luck in this life or any other.  There are many people on these forums that I wish good luck to, but not to those 4 or 5.  One reason being is because if a deterrant isn't set in their way, they will continue to harm others.

Well in that sense maybe "Hell" could be a prison where those people just couldn't harm any other people anymore.

Alchimiste claims how there is freedom of speech on these forums and he can go around slandering anyone that he chooses.  Maybe that is so.  But if people on this forum have a right to try to slander people, then a person should have a right to say something back in self-defense.

It would be different if all these people were sweet and innocent, "Oh poor little me I never did nothing, I never messed with nobody (As Alchimiste has said)", but they're not.

If things get out of hand a moderator can step in and tell all parties involved not to post on certain people's forums, and not to send any e-mails anymore after the battles have finally come to an end.  Or if possible block e-mails all together, as I for one do not want to recieve anymore messages or e-mails from any of the people mentioned above.

But I don't think it's right for 4 to 5 troublemakers to start something with somebody which is clearly abusive and intentional, and then go run to a moderator and say, "Oh sweet innocent me's" didn't do anything and look what this person said about me.

That would lead to unfair play on the forum where small groups of bullies of 4 to 5 could go around causing problems everywhere, and acting like they own the forums themselves.

The Problem is no one can presently go around sticking a dildo up anyone's bun, because they presently are all in your mouth.  Well not all the time, because as you can see from you picture, when you're taking your head up it's no longer in your mouth.  I for one would try to help you out by sticking a dildo up your bun, but you keep moving around to much with the ones in your mouth for me to do that for you Ronaldo.  But if you keep behaving like you are Ronaldo (bobbing up and down), you are going to attract a lot of guys over there including me who would like to bend you over and stick a dildo up your bun.

Oh and I wanted to throw one in for the guy who made those messages up above in response to troublemakers on this forum, about hoping they get there's from God.  I think that guy should have included you (Ronaldo) to join them in the inferno party. And I formally make the request that he does.  Alchimiste seemed to find humor in it, so maybe if you take some marshmellows and some of those winnies you are working over, you can have a good ole laugh.  

And Alchimiste I know what you mean.  I get messages like that all the time from people I have never messed with or bothered.  People are naturally like that, they will send messages to somebody who has never been causing them problems.  So whoever sent you that message, it's a 100% possibility that you were causing them problems.  I guess someone could go back and read all your posts to find out for sure.