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Today as i was sleeping i became suddenly totally conscious and began to rise on the ceiling feeling a strange energy...

I instantly tried to see details of the room and my vision was amazingly crystal clear.

I passed through the walls and succeed to transfer towards 2 differents locations.

I will never forget this experience. Overwhelming. (I must add this experience can not be compared with Phasing in my opinion because it was just sooooooo real contrary to phasing where my vision is way poorer and darker and so fleeting...)

Now question: considering i was totally conscious i was sleeping (i was aware i was snoring all OBE long !!) during the entire experience.
                      considering i visited 2 locations which were cloth but not accurate at all with the physical world (some elements and decorum in the houses was added and the size of the surface of the house was not accurate as well)
                      considering the place in my OBE where i first "rose" till the ceiling was not the same place at all i was sleeping in but an imaginated place...
       
... Do you consider guys i experienced an OBE or not ? (If yes what was it ? RTZ ? F2 ? Any opinions ?... Sorry Xanth i know you dont use this map but i just ask in case someone use this grid...)

[It doesn't make much difference what random label you give something.  [/quote]

Maybe you dont care about label because this practive is still very new and it is just still a bit too fuzzy to determine a commun structure we are not yet able to identify but that we will discover soon who knows...

Any way your theory about the misunderstanding on Monroe "in the body sight" seems obvious and very true.

Even with the inherent subjectivity of such practices, lets consider i decide to still be for some time more optimistic than you are in the possibility to achieve a consensus upon the "basic structure" of our experiences.

1/ What would differenciate Phasing from Creative meditation according to you ? Because i did not need to discover Phasing to experience real 3D "visions" during meditation !

2/ If we consider we already collected some proofs on the remote viewing, why then you say "you'll never know" about Phasing ? I dont understand this ?

3/ Now question; " Among those who experienced both OBE and Phasing. Is there a CONSENSUS to confirm this is the same exeprience (except you dont see yourself leaving your body in phasing of course)

Thanks a lot for you kindness Xanth.

[So... in those phasings you've tried (hopefully successful?), did you experience something which provided some kind of value to your spiritual growth?]

This is the epitome of the problem which everyone who does this stuff runs into eventually... IS WHAT I'M EXPERIENCING REAL!?  OR AM I MAKING IT UP!?

The answer: You can't know.  You'll NEVER know.  This is why the concept of a focus 2 and a focus 3 is absolutely beyond ridiculous.

The question you should be asking yourself isn't if what you're experiencing is real or not... it's: are you gaining any value out of your experiences. 
If it's coming from within you or outside of you doesn't matter.  Ultimately *EVERYTHING* is part of the one consciousness anyway... *LITERALLY*.  You are part of EVERYTHING which you can ever experience.  So if you're part of everything you can experience, then nothing is inside or outside of you.  Everything just *is*.

So... in those phasings you've tried (hopefully successful?), did you experience something which provided some kind of value to your spiritual growth?

Thank you for your answer Xanth.

1/ Then you agree to say you dont share the Monroe and F.Keppel's model then ?
2/ Then you agree to say as well that you are practicing this activity for years without knowing if it is just a creative meditation or not ? (no irony here please just candid question)
3/ Then you agree to say as well that remote viewing is not real and can not create reliable proof ?
4/ Therefore without an once of sarcasm either, what is your theory please about what lead Monroe and Keppel to have such delusionals and false insights by saying they contacted F3 and talked to real dead persons and collected proofs and so on ? I mean how do you explain their model and their delusions please ? What is possible to experience or not according to you with this technique then ?

Now i am totally agree with you of course when you say i just need to take whats there is to be taken...

To answer your question about the value i may extract of my phasing experiences, i can not say for sure i wasted my time but very quickly i felt a backclash in my motivation due to the lack of proof but i must admit i am way too impatient person.

Hey guys

Am i the only one here who tried the phasing method ending to wonder how one could know if this was more than a pure creation or not ?... How one could collect a proof ?... How one could contact other realms than F2 and to go to F3 or to contact our guides ?


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I am almost sure i experienced what F.Keppel describes as F4.

Monroe did start out using the term "out of body" and continued to use this term until his death. The Monroe Institute still uses this term.

I can understand why the label "out of body" can be confusing to newer practitioners, because there is a question whether we actually leave the body or not within the OBE community. For example, Robert Bruce suggests (strongly) that we are "projecting a double". Bruce also holds forth that we do not actually leave the body until death. I mention this so that you know that there is some disagreement about this in the OBE community (not a consensus).

Back to Monroe and his specific techniques. As Monroe had more experiences, he developed and improved upon his methods. These newer methods did change the language and words that he used to describe his non-physical experiences. One of these improvements included what he called the "quick switch" method. Near the end of his life, this is the only method that he used. And yes, the quick switch is much closer to what many here at the Astral Pulse call "phasing". And ... Monroe did mention this method in his later books. So, yes, you could generally hold forth that Monroe went from OBE's to phasing (using quick switching as his primary method).

In addition, Kepple and Monroe were each trained as engineers, so each of them explained phasing in those terms and in a similar way. Monroe likened our consciousness to a radio dial, so when you go somewhere else you are basically changing "your radio station". He called these changes "focuses" or "focus levels" ... and so did Kepple (eventually). This is where your reference to Monroe's "180 degree phase change" becomes relevant. HOWEVER, just note that Kepple's focus levels ended up not matching Monroe's focus levels (e.g., they are numbered differently). Near the end of his life, Kepple attempted to redefine his "4 focus levels of consciousness" because he felt that his experiences were a bit different from Monroe's.

Very nice of you to give me that brief overview dear !! Thanks so much !!

Read this:  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_the_astral_faq/what_is_phasing_and_how_can_i_do_it-t17413.0.html

And/or this: http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

Thanks a lot !

This entire Sleep Paralysis article is very well written. I suggest someone should sticky this, since so many people ask questions about Sleep Paralysis.

The above Bedeekin quote is extremely important for people to understand. To me this short focused meditation or OBE technique is so important to achieve anything worthwhile with sleep paralysis. Otherwise, you are left with a groggy OBE of low quality.

The quicker the sleep paralysis induction, the better the resulting OBE is.

What is the protocol of this "short focus meditation" to induce SP please ?

Hi all !

I read the first book of R.Monroe but someone here said (frank if i remember well ?) Monroe declared "he actually never left his body" in his last two books saying it was more of a 180° phase's change...

So as i did not read his last two books; can you guys confirm me this affirmation and explain what he really experienced ?

Also i want to know of course if there is a consensus on this Monroe topic.

Thanks for your light.

Okay thanks a lot dear you.

Two things though;

I consider myslef already enlighted to be honest even if im not able to make direct OBE. This enlightment, or what i consider to be an enlightment has been done thrue meditation...

Secondly this is the first time i see someone says lucid dream and astral projection are the same thing !? Is there a consensus here which confirm you affirmation please ?

Greetings

I am french seeker, in the holistic acceptance, living in Paris and agree to pay one million $ to have his first OBE.

If you think you can honored my request feel free to PM me.

Tentatively