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I agree that this sounds like the many and various ways hypnogogia can occur; what fun! What entertainment!

I will add a possibility and a suggestion that occurred to me over the last year. I have had infrequent bouts with annoying hypno noises over the last five years or so. During the same time, I also had difficulty falling asleep and staying asleep; also it reached a point of intensity where hyping jerking was especially severe to the point I was concerned about a nervous disorder.

It so happened that a couple months later, I was headed to the Monroe Institute for a week and while there I received an energy healing. I mentioned my symptoms and difficulties and the healer informed me that all my chakras were functioning nicely except for my heart chakra which was quite closed. I asked if that could result in the seemingly spasmodic discharges like fireworks that I was experiencing and she agreed. She worked on me and all those symptoms disappeared and that was a year and a half ago.

So don't discount a possible energetic solution to an energetic phenomenon. Maybe some chakra work, some energy work, some emotional Clearing or cleansing of a sort is called for.

escape that makes sense! i am reiki master so maybe i should do some work on myself. i haven't done energy work in ages... just meditation. Do you think energy and consciousness are the same thing? like energy is "consciousness with an intent to make a change" or do you think it's another function? i hope i said that right haha xD

Every night while falling asleep I imagine that I am someplace else. I picked my childhood home because I know it so well and i have so many good memories there. Later, I started changing the places I visualize to keep my interest. You can pick whatever place you wish. It'is very important the technique to be done WHILE falling asleep. During the day or even before bed wont work, at least for me and many other accounts I have read of people trying to AP during the day). For a long lasting fully physically detached  AP you need your body to be asleep. Then when morning comes and your body naturally has to awake, then nothing can keep you in the NP, your body awakens naturally and so is you AP over.
So back to the technique, your last thought before falling asleep has to be the thought of being some place else, observing and interacting with that environment.  So I turned into my favorite position ready to fall asleep, but I made sure that I went to bed about 1/2 hour before I know that I will become very sleepy to prevent too fast falling asleep. I visualized that I was home, walking around, observing the furniture, touching stuff, going outside, observing different objects, picking them up, etc.

This technique directs your focus away from your physical body. By interacting with the environment, touching stuff, feeling the textures, etc, you are retaining your awareness WHILE falling asleep. Then once your physical senses that keep you focus here get shut off, your awareness is still awake by the technique and you can easily refocus into the NP. This is often accompanied by sleep paralysis and vibrations, but they dont happen every time though. Sometimes, I just become aware in the middle of the night and I get out without any vibes.

i can totally relate. i set an alarm app on my iphone for 4 hours when going to sleep... it beeps 5 times and wakes me up and then turns off on its own. i dont have to move in my bed and i "play dead" and dont move.... and deeply relax. and i get out everytime. i just lay there and with intent shift to a scenerio of my choice and i always phaseshift somewhere almost instantly. its not always the place i imagine... but no biggie. it sounds dumb but i love my sleep so much sometimes i just wanna sleep and not obe... with that method though i could easily AP everynight. i have lots of anxiety during the day sometimes so those coma like sleeps where i don't even dream are amazing lol.

nameless LOL i know what you mean... whats crazy is some of that stuff is just as "real" as this place so you think its actually happening. like the fighter jet thing. i heard a scream once while meditating in my house and i actually got my gun and cleared the house out like the swat team. my cat was looking at me like i lost it. lol. i literally thought someone was in my house. thats when i first got into this stuff  we are going back 10 years. now i know better and i hear that and just lay there like whatever... but still believe me i get it!

lightbeam - the gun shots are the worst. had it so loud one time it sounded like someone fired it off right by my ear. extremely unpleasant. i read in a book once if you open your third eye too fast that can happen but i dont know. im just glad im not alone.

I don't really have any good answers for you, but just wanted to say I know how frustrating it can be! People get intuitive information in different ways. Some people might be really good at getting information through sounds/voice (they hear things), other people may be more visual, other people kinesthetic (they feel things, get strong sensations in their bodies). We're all different. However you receive intuitive information is valid. I'm very visual but have a hard time understanding what the things I see mean. I joke that my shamanic guides are always engaged in "interpretive dance" LOL and I'd really like to get past the interpretive dance stage. "Oh just bloody TELL ME already!" They're not ones for explaining things. They just do something weird and somehow I'm supposed to know what the heck they mean LOL

When I'm heading out of body, however, sometimes I pass through the hypnogogic imagery stage (weird flashes of different things behind my eyes) - it's always nonsense. Random flashes of things that don't make any sense. I wonder if when you get auditory gibberish, you're passing through that stage, but your flashes come in sound rather than images. I don't really know, just thinking out loud. So my point is, maybe there's a state beyond that where things get more clear, and auditory messages will make more sense when you get to that point.

lol you sound just like me xD

i think there is a stage after that that's more... i know exactly what you mean by images too i usually get code like in the matrix... a bunch of numbers and letters and has that matrix like effect. or sometimes i will see symbols but that's it. i remember i asked a medium once why information doesn't come more clearly... she was mentoring me. she said it just doesn't work like that it's easier to get tiny symbols and data piece by piece....

if i was gonna get hit by a cement truck or something as i was crossing the road and source gave me a picture of a truck really fast i guess that would be okay.... but it would leave me thinking. I always thought a strong voice that said "HEY DUMB*** U ARE ABOUT TO GET RAN OVER" would be way better. and not much harder.... lol. i will keep up the meditations and i guess if i can't make out what the information is just move on and enjoy the trance state. thanks rabbit! been doing this since i was 20 years old and i am almost 30 now so i guess im a slow learner

hey everybody. i often hear people talk about when they get to this void or point consciousness state voices talk to them... give them profound information. its very clear and as real as someone talking in this reality. crystal clear and gives them answers to their questions etc... whether its an interface from source being a guide or another being all together... i always thought this was really cool.

however my experiences are completely different and give me zero information. i hear these pretty fast upon getting into a trance state... if i can quiet my mind good enough maybe 10-15 mins in this will happen. i will hear quick noises or what appear to be words but cant make out what it is for the life of me.

i always ask for clarity when i hear them or say "slow down" etc... but i dont get any info after that. no more experiences.

i will hear things i cant make out what they are saying itll be like.... "chimla?!" really fast in a high pitched chipmunk voice or something. or sound effects like zaps are pretty common. i sometimes hear i guess what is older person type voice? but have zero clue on the word. its just a mumble...

other times i get robotic type voices thay say things like "dillamalaau" and im sitting there like what in the? i cant explain how fast it is too. not even 1 second long so its impossible to get any more information even if i ask its just dead silent.

now i hear people saying how they meditate and now have voices talking to them while they drive their cars or having conversations with people in everyday life not even meditating and they are having conversations with source etc. is it possible to get to that point??

i have only heard a voice once or twice clear as a bell... and one of them was a ticked off lady speaking to me in german and my ear bone was even vibrating. that was upon waking up. the other time was a beautiful eye that appeared clear as day in front of me and a beautiful female angelic voice said "nobody cares..." really slowly. then went away. i didn't know what the hell it meant but at least it was clear so i know its possible.

is this common and do you kinda just ignore that stuff i cant make out? it gets annoyig when i really want answers and really desire to build this relationship with source that all i get are goofy sounds or split second words that i cant make out that sound like a damn chipmunk lol

We have infinite worlds of adventure awaiting us via lucid dreaming. Even if we are trapped inside -- there's still a lot to do.

amen

bro  lol

Might I add quickly that something I noticed a day or so later thinking back on it is this,.

The woman I was with seemed sullen and disappointed when we went inside and she was very pale and tall,. Idk

A guide perhaps? I always feel like I am failing tests.

For example I once asked a blue ball of light if it were good or evil,. When it replies pure evil I berate it with word for word the power of Christ compels you! Leave this place!

Lol no joke so embarassing right? It's like you can't make this stuff up? I seen that on tv so many times it just came out of my mouth,.

Thinking back on it, any spirit that isn't god himself can't be purely good aren't we all a little evil? What is evil? Especially in an AP?

Test failed? My mind poking fun at me?

Teaching me to stay calm and observe interpret and then react,. Which I did not do! At ! All!
Lol

If I blow up / run away/ attack I will never truely learn anything,.

This is my test I think,. Atleast one of the big big ones I am STILL having a go of

i know it can be hard. i have had a recent depression wave and funny thing is i got so low that i no longer feared anything for some time... usually when i see a nasty image or a face smirking at me or something i laugh at it and call it names now. i used to get kinda uneasy but now it's pretty funny. i know a lot of people send love and stuff but i remember i visited a friend in an obe and i walked up to give them a hug and when i released it wasn't my friend anymore it was some goblin doll thing smirking at me. and i grabbed it by the throat and slammed it on the ground and said i would rip it's ***** head off. it's probably best not to engage though..... maybe just observe it for what it is and say i don't believe in you bye.... and don't make any kind of contact or whatever if that makes sense

xanth it gets really bad man. i tried joining some groups when i did have fb and it just wasn't healthy at all. so much arguing too. fear mongering and puffing out chests and stuff.

escape i hear you. i do use youtube for playlists to meditate to and i upload gaming videos but i have them on "unlisted" so they aren't even public... so i can just share them on a gaming service called steam. that's really about it for me... i got good ol skype.... but nobody seems to use that. or maybe i just don't have any friends xD i have like 1 contact on there and they are never signed in.   it's gettin lonely!! i feel better when i am off all social media though. best thing i ever did for my health was not use fb anymore

You really don't need to actually speak to everyone you notice. However if you feel you should speak with them do so in your head, like talking to yourself only directed towards that person, telecommunication on this level is so much easier than trying to do the same in the here and now. It may sometimes be hard to distinguish them from 'real' people but you get used to it. If it becomes a problem you can always just tune them out the same way you might tune out anyone. You know they are there but you don't necessarily focus on them.

Hope that makes sense.

thanks nameless! yeah that makes sense and helps thank you. I hope you are well i would drop by here more often but forums aren't like they used to be... it feels like social media has taken over and i don't have fb so i just lurk sometimes

hello i was just wondering if anybody has any ways to help understand what reality they are in when they open their "sight" third eye or whatever... when i see other beings sometimes its just bleeding through to this reality and i am afraid to say things sometimes... because i would be one of those people who say "hey look at that old man on the swing in that cool jacket! i wish i had a jacket like that.) and nobody else sees an old man... but these beings seem to appear just as real as physical people so it is hard... sometimes when i see them they are "ghost like" or shimmer etc... but how can you tell the difference?? theres no fear here its just i am not sure how to tell who is here in this reality and who isnt sometimes... do you experience this and how do you get around it?? i love clairvoyance its just i wanna be careful what i say to people. i could be talking to a person in front of me in public having people watch me and there is nobody really there that they can see... it seems it could get to this point the more i open my sight up or expand my awareness to the greater reality. do you have any tips and do you experience this sometimes? thanks!

DUDE!!

I'm not telling you to go find a cave and sit there meditating for years on end... take 10 minutes a day.  Think you can spare that?  

what i do is meditate in my comfy computer chair... or recliner right now. for 20 mins maybe... then watch a documentary and play online... the meditate again for maybe 10 mins... then go for a walk... then play some computer games... then go outside and meditate for maybe 15 mins... my computer chair feels like my portal lol

Edit: xanth 10 mins a day even is really good. i sat down and meditated for 10 mins the other day and my "third eye" or whatever it is buzzed so hard i loved the feeling and fell into it. felt good... started hearing "mumbles" of voices too but can't make out what they say. i always thought you had to meditate so much like hours and hours and hours a day to make progress... i think source opens that stuff up for us trying even just ten mins. source knows u are trying to connect....

hey everybody... dropping in here... i agree with what everybody is saying. with how good technology is.... i am very against most medication but maybe they will come out with some pills soon for people who get this virus that helps it in like 2 days or something... technology is rising so much i will bet you they find something sooner or later there probably is already a cure. they can shoot off a rocket into space and land a rover on mars they can damn well create a medicine that helps this virus

plasma my very short answer would be to just create it. what do you want to do and where do you want to go? i would say just drop all emotional baggage from this lifetime and any other lifetime we have traumas from that we don't get to remember yet still suffer from.. and move on. my personal opinions are not to come to such harsh virtual realities is probably a good idea... but that is absolutely a personal choice. if you do come to physical reality just be aware you probably wont get to remember anything and when you die you don't become sharp all of a sudden... so all of that wisdom you learned in some lifetime can be long forgotten and you can actually start to de evolve and get stuck in a loop. (get trapped in religion, or so many other things...) all it takes is one horrible life and you are already on the track to forgetting everything and devolving. bottom line is you can do whatever you want and if anybody tells you to do something i wouldn't listen and those beings are probably best avoided. That being said i don't think there is an end game so to speak... so what's adventurous to you? the possibilities are endless. you never die so you got all the time in the world.

I found that while you are deep in a trance, you have changed your frequency. Because of this, you need to reacclimate yourself back to this frequency here again.
When I have completed my daily Phase soak, I always have to give myself at least 5 minutes before I can stand up and leave the tub. If I don't, I get light headed and yes, vertigo does kick in. One time it got so bad that I had to lie on my bathroom floor.  I was that "disoriented".

that's good news that i can get there so fast! probably only 5 mins of meditation but i have to really clear all thoughts.... if i have trouble with that it takes longer. but if i can really just shut down it only takes 5 mins

this always happens. i actually love the feeling and its so strong it makes me smile but i cant put my finger on what this is...

i will get to point consciousness state (usually takes me about 7 mins...) if i am really good at quieting my mind. I get REALLY INTENSE vertigo. the whole room feels like it's spinning sometimes and it doesn't stop. I experimented and stayed in a trance state while slowly standing up.... i still felt it while standing fully. the space in front of me was really big and i had crazy vertigo spinning feeling. it only went away when i opened my eyes and then i started laughing and tried to "come back to this reality" so to speak. i jumped up and down for a second and then took some deep breaths and did some math in my head... and it only took me about ten seconds to snap out of it. now i feel really dreamy and ungrounded and spacey but i actually like it...

with time will it get easier to come back here and not be so loopy after trance? and what the heck is that spinning feeling? sometimes i cant hardly feel my body anymore and the whole room just spins like crazy... it doesn't scare me one bit it just happens all the time. usually after about 5 mins of quiet and when the space in front of me gets bigger.

i kinda have some derealization going on right now writing this but i don't mind... lucky for me i don't have anything going where i need to be "fully here" i can kinda play around with trance states. if i feel to weird i will take a break for a while but it doesn't bother me.

does anybody else get this spinning?? its like a crazy intese vertigo and sometimes it feels like the room is even spinning. 

Hey everybody. I heard this is normal from some people but I hear it's not healthy from others and I wanted your opinion. I'm really trying to stop talking to myself... it seems I can shut off my mind and be okay but during waking life I actually have conversations with myself or just talk out loud about life and what I need to do Etc... it seems really obsessive. Does anybody else do this? I really just wanna learn to be still... during waking life. I have my personality and stuff and that feels fine.... it's just when I am processing things like anger or even just bored I just have a chat with myself and then even answer myself like it's two people talking.... and I feel nuts. I'm trying to just get to where I can be quiet and analyze things in my head... instead of using English language and goin back and fourth with myself. It doesn't seem right at all. It doesn't feel right.... does anybody else struggle with this and do you have any advice on how to stop this? I feel like it's not healthy. If it didn't bother me I wouldn't care but something feels really off. I do this so much probably more than the average person... cheers

lol it's good to know other people have weird experiences from time to time... sometimes i have low awareness astral projections and i don't have any clothes on... and im running around places. i tease and ask my higher self if im really doing that to please put some pants on me for god sake. i can't wait to take full control over my experiences sometimes i wake up and all i can do is laugh and say what the hell just happened? and try not to overthink it lol

but that doesn't mean that there are other universes in the sense that there are "other yous" that live independent lives. There aren't. There is only one conscious you.

This makes more sense to me. Because a lot of people say I have other selves living lives that I have to track down their problems because it's effecting mine... and I'm thinking well how in the hell do I do that? And what about people that aren't informed of this stuff if that was the case everybody would be miserable because the ten other lives they are living now and you gotta "track them down" and "work with those other selves" and I'm thinkin huuuuuh??

Thanks baro

It's about time again to talk about time... sorry I had to. :p

I had a couple of questions and wanted to hear your take on it. I heard so many different theories about time... the biggest one I hear is that a lot of people say if you drop dead for example.... you can choose to go back and live a life in the 1800s... etc. this doesn't make sense to me because then you would never be able to look into the past... right? I always saw it as what's happened has happened.... and there's no going back... but you can remote view situations in the past and maybe observe them as they happened? But I never understood when someone said you can go into the past and live as something that already happened.... or they say you can experience what it was like to be a soldier in WW2 or something. I get how you could "peak in" on this... but that entity that experienced that is not you... you have the ability to peak in and look at what happened but what happened cannot he changed...

They also say there are so many parallel universes and stuff that you can go live back when Hitler took over Germany and stop it from what happened as we experienced it. Again this makes no sense to me... but can someone help me understand? It's the same with the future I always thought you could look into future events but it doesn't mean it's going to happen... there are many factors involved and nothing is set in stone... but some people say you can meet your future self and idk what this even means. Like they say your future self if living a life right now...

I just can't grasp this... and I always thought being present and choices we make shape the future. But some people say the future has already happened... It just doesn't make sense to me that way though.

I hear a lot of people say the past can't be changed but it can be observed... it's all about the here and now... and our choices shape the future. That makes more sense to me. For example if earth is destroyed it's bye bye earth... you can't go back there... but it doesn't matter because there will always be some other reality to go to. It's never ending. However you could remote view into the past at what earth was like for people etc... this is how I see it

What do you think?

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hey everybody... i wanted to share a really cool track i ran across. its so blissful to me. i could just close my eyes and nod off for hours to this... no thoughts. i hope you enjoy it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0zUIvXUgnM

if you enjoy that one i really like this one too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AUspnFaQ2I

Probably as a "bsexual Jellyfish", lol!  

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thanks everybody!

Okay so I always see it as whatever you want it to be... it's just consciousness and gender is a human avatar thing... but how come people (who are good at getting out of body) say they talk to "him" god... etc. are these beliefs? I remember when I was really struggling once I prayed while in meditation and the most beautiful kind of ancient looking eye popped up and a female voice said "they don't care..." which made total sense to me because I was really struggling with people and what they thought of me at the time. It was a beautiful female voice... very angelic. Even if this was a guide I see all guides as just source or source self... giving me something to work with. Or maybe it was another being???

Because we are all source... so wouldn't it make sense that source can be anything you want it to be while talking to it?

I heard an interview by an incredible medium... and he can get out of body at will... and the interviewer asked him if he had ever seen god and he said "of course! I've talked to the man face to face."

I've yet to hear anybody say anything about source having female qualities. If each of our higher selves have more experiences as a man or a women maybe that determines what each experience? I call my highest part of me "source self" because I was told we may have more than one higher self? So I took it up another level and say source self is the absolute top of my individual consciousness that parents all my higher selves.... everything.

That's just my analogy or metaphor so I understand it better... we got source and then my source self which is everything my own individual consciousness has ever experienced etc. my "spirit"

I was just curious as to what you all think. I always saw god or source as an energy... and it takes on male or female it don't matter... but so many people are saying it's a male entity. Yet they aren't very religious... but some are. So what do you think??

It's makes sense because I remember I was watching NHL hockey one time on TV in my room nice as relaxed and I was focused on the game... but all of a sudden in my third eye or minds eye... whatever I saw a snake hissing at me lol. My eyes were open too so this happened while I was even watching the Tv. I always thought your eyes has to be closed to get visions etc.... guess not :p