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Hello Thelou,

Re: Love.  It sounds like you hopped into a closer parallel universe after all! .

Jo.

Hi Thelou,

Re your Dec. 5 message, let me try an allegory.  Suppose you are going on a cruise with the hope that you'll find the love of your life among the passengers.  Turns out that your particular ship had only seniors on board, beyond your age of interest.  You had total free will to choose any cruise, but you have to live with your choice, even though you might not be entirely happy with it.  We have to live with the consequences of our choices, once we have made them.

By the same token, before you embark on a new life in physical reality, you select conditions aimed at going through certain experiences.  However, you cannot nail down all details in advance and set your life on autopilot.  Then, during your lifetime, you do the best you can, but not everything may turn out as you would like.  Yes, nicer alternatives do exist in "parallel universes" because the multi-dimensional domain contains all conceivable possibilities.  But you are stuck with the choices you had made earlier until they have played out.  You can try to go to a different deck on your cruise liner, but you can't hop from one ship to another before your cruise is over. We do have free will, but we must live by it.

Incidentally, it may well be true that this certain lady loves you in a parallel universe, and the You that you are experiencing now is teaching you how it feels not to be loved in return.  Who knows why you need this experience.

Also, I believe that this limitation is not unique to being loved by someone.  Seth tells us that we have great latitude in creating our own reality, however we cannot grow a new leg that we may have lost in an accident.  We have great freedom of will, but within certain gross limitations that we can accept without feeling deprived.  Hopping freely between parallel universes appears to be one of them, and I assume that it is for a good reason.  Otherwise, we would probably not learn our lessons.

One last thought on this subject, Thelou.  You can be 100% sure that the certain lady loves you in ultimate reality, which is All-Entity, because at that level all parts are united in unconditional Love.

Best wishes to you, Thelou!

Jo.

Kevin, my friend, take it easy!  You are the one who is creating the reality that you hate so much!  You draw to yourself whatever you focus on, and you sure appear to be focused on hating this life.  I have news for you, Kevin, you will keep on coming back to physical life until you learn to love it.  Our world here is part of God, part of the harmonious wholeness of All-Entity.  As long as you hate any part of God, you cannot be in harmony with God, and therefore you cannot Awaken to the wholeness of the All.  You'll be stuck in this environment as long as you hate it.  The proper antidote is to practice unconditional Love.

The first step to unconditional Love is to accept what is.  It's a matter of being realistic.  You can't change things unless you first see things as they are, and, believe me, you can't do this if you are consumed by anger.  You appear frustrated because you don't understand the sense of it all, but it is your own resentment that prevents you from understanding it because it takes love to tune into what you want to understand.  

You wrote:

I've always had this inner feeling that I'm not supposed to be here.

Have you ever considered that this could be a long-standing prejudice of yours that you must overcome it by learning to love it here?  It is certainly possible to love this life on Earth, lots of people do.  I can tell you from my own experience, it's much more fun than hating it.

You can do it, Kevin  

Jo.

Hello Thelou, you wrote:

how come we cannot influence others into what we want them to do? I mean I know they have their freedom of choice, and we cannot make others do anything. But that seems like an encroachment on my freedom of choice.

Excellent question!
We live in a reality of limited dimensions.  Whereas all imaginable situations co-exist simultaneously in multi-dimensional reality, they do not all appear in our specific physical reality.  You select your specific reality based on general parameters that are set by your belief system.  When you make that choice, you are not yet aware of all the detailed consequences.  You are giving it "your best shot", so-to-speak.  Then you spend a lifetime to experience the results of your choice.   When you discover that some experiences didn't pan out, as you would have liked, you may have to go back to the proverbial drawing board and change your original choices.  This may well take another incarnation.  Yes, all possible events already exist in multi-dimensional reality, or in parallel universes (which is another way of saying it).  But our capability to maneuver between the parallel universes is limited by our degree of spiritual maturity. To "get everything right" all at once requires a state of full enlightenment.  That's the purpose of this seemingly cumbersome process of trying to get everything right through successive reincarnations, we are challenged to awaken to full enlightenment, to full union with All-Entity.

Greetings!

Jo.

Hello Kevin,

Trying to clear yourself of bad childhood experiences can easily become a rather counter-productive undertaking, IMO.  You'll get what your mind focuses on.  If you focus on bad experiences, that's what you'll get: more bad experiences.  Thelou is correct, it's the law of attraction at work.  Looking for bad past experiences can also enhance the false belief that you are the victim of past circumstances, whereas you actually create your own reality.  If you had "bad" childhood experiences", it was YOU who put yourself into that position by choosing this environment before you were born, and you did this for a good reason.  You had a reason why you wanted to cope with this situation in order to grow spiritually.  Therefore, your "bad" experiences may well be "good" from a higher point of view.  

I agree with T.D. Lingo if you use your memory of childhood experiences to revise your beliefs, as I explained to you before, Kevin.  Then you adopt the correct attitude that you are in control of your experiences, not a victim of them, and early childhood experiences tend to be indications of core beliefs, which have a more profound effect on your life.

Concerning your difficulty with meditation, Kevin, volumes have been written about how to do it.  Search Google for "how to meditate" and you'll get more than one million answers.  The first one is a website www.how-to-meditate.org . It's all good advice.  You must use patience and perseverance.  Clearing your mind and defining your priorities via belief-review helps also to reduce your mind chatter.  Some meditation methods use mantras that you repeat in uninterruptedly.  This helps you to screen out undesired thoughts.  You can try to use something as simple as "I am joy, peace, and love."  This is a statement of who you really are, because your true, innermost Self is All-Entity. This is what you want to identify with in your meditation.  Don't say, "I will be joy, peace, and love", because then you imply that you are not now, and that's what you will experience.  

You can do it, Kevin  

Jo.

Hello Thelou

Long time no see   .  Nice to hear from you again, and thank you for your comments.

Jo.

To get in touch with your inner self, Kevin, you must calm your mind and avoid distractions from your physical environment.  Your inner self is multi-dimensional, whereas your ego identifies with the 3-D world.  If your mind is pre-occupied with ego-stuff, then it cannot sense the additional dimensions of your total, inner self.  Sit quietly, where you cannot be disturbed, and breathe slowly and deeply.  This will calm your mind.  Dwell on feelings of love, joy, and peace, because they are the essence of your higher self.  It takes some practice, so do this regularly, at least once a day, preferably at the same time of day.

If you want guidance for a particular decision, imagine one of your possible options as clearly and as vividly as possible.  Let this visualization sink in and sense how it feels deeply inside.  Does it feel harmonious and peaceful?  After you have sensed this feeling well enough to remember it, do the same exercise with another option for your decision.  Take your time and dwell on it.  How does it feel?  Whichever gives you more inner harmony and peace is the correct decision.  In Tom and Linda Carpenter's book, "Dialogue on Awakening", Jesus recommends that, if you want to experience spiritual awakening, always choose whatever gives you more peace.  It is a very useful and powerful rule-of-thumb.

Peace to you, Kevin!

Jo.

Hello my friend Kevin,

Lotsa questions!  That's good.  

I grew up Christian. You die, you go to heaven, that is if you're good.

Right, and so it is when you die being in harmony with the rest of the world because you create your own reality through your mindset, here as well as in multi-dimensional reality, which is also known as the spirit world.

I perceive hell as existence on Earth, if you don't do with it what you can to make it not hell. So I've grown up with the hope of being with loved ones in heaven.

Right again.

Now it just plain pisses me off that I chose to be here?

What's wrong with that?  Do you think that it was bad for you go through exams in school?  Or would you rather have chosen not to go to school while everyone else did?

And if so, why don't I realize or understand or remember that I chose to be here?

It's a long story, Kevin, too long for this post.  But you have my book "Understanding the Grand Design".  Read the section "Why the Illusion?" starting on page 169.  This will also answer a number of other points you made in your post.

Am I really the controller of my own destiny since I can't remember why I chose to be here. Perhaps on a spiritual level I did choose to be here, but it just plain pisses me off that we have no recollection of that. Why? Why must things be hidden from us? It's like living a lie.

You must understand, Kevin, that there are different levels of  "You".  Presently you are conscious of only a small part of your real Self and your Soul.  We call that small part our "ego".  The rest of you exists in multi-dimensional reality.  We say that it is in our unconscious.  That greater, total You never forgets its choices, decisions, and experiences, and it guides your "smaller You" without it realizing it.  If you listen to your true inner Self, you'll get the benefits of its superior knowledge.  You worry about the discontinuity created by your forgetfulness, Kevin.  But it is taken care of at a higher, inner level that is unconscious to your ego. It's not like living a lie, it's living in an illusion of limited resources.

I've lived the first 34 years of my life with deep seeded HATE for life and humanity. It's a constant struggle for me, but realizing that we are all one has helped. My main frustration has and is that things are not the way I want them to be in life and I feel stuck. Feeling like there is no way out of the way in which I have created my life.

Undoing the effects of Hate from 34 years will take some time, Kevin.  But rest assured, if from now on you think and act according to the understanding that we are all one, things will clear up.  It takes some time to become aware of all the accumulated destructive habits.  You can speed things up through a regular "belief review process" I e-mailed to you from my book.  Be aware also that your past 34 years are a valuable asset because without experiencing the inevitable fallout, you would not be so motivated now to change course. Based on your experience, you are also much better equipped to help others, as you intend.  You have been there and you know what others are talking about.

Why were you chosen to see what you saw, and it is kept hidden from the rest of us?

I don't know, Kevin.  I can imagine that I made this decision before I was born.  

My best wishes to you, Kevin!

Jo.

Hello my friend Kevin,

Lotsa questions!  That's good.  

I grew up Christian. You die, you go to heaven, that is if you're good.

Right, and so it is when you die being in harmony with the rest of the world because you create your own reality through your mindset, here as well as in multi-dimensional reality, which is also known as the spirit world.

I perceive hell as existence on Earth, if you don't do with it what you can to make it not hell. So I've grown up with the hope of being with loved ones in heaven.

Right again.

Now it just plain pisses me off that I chose to be here?

What's wrong with that?  Do you think that it was bad for you go through exams in school?  Or would you rather have chosen not to go to school while everyone else did?

And if so, why don't I realize or understand or remember that I chose to be here?

It's a long story, Kevin, too long for this post.  But you have my book "Understanding the Grand Design".  Read the section "Why the Illusion?" starting on page 169.  This will also answer a number of other points you made in your post.

Am I really the controller of my own destiny since I can't remember why I chose to be here. Perhaps on a spiritual level I did choose to be here, but it just plain pisses me off that we have no recollection of that. Why? Why must things be hidden from us? It's like living a lie.

You must understand, Kevin, that there are different levels of  "You".  Presently you are conscious of only a small part of your real Self and your Soul.  We call that small part our "ego".  The rest of you exists in multi-dimensional reality.  We say that it is in our unconscious.  That greater, total You never forgets its choices, decisions, and experiences, and it guides your "smaller You" without it realizing it.  If you listen to your true inner Self, you'll get the benefits of its superior knowledge.  You worry about the discontinuity created by your forgetfulness, Kevin.  But it is taken care of at a higher, inner level that is unconscious to your ego. It's not like living a lie, it's living in an illusion of limited resources.

I've lived the first 34 years of my life with deep seeded HATE for life and humanity. It's a constant struggle for me, but realizing that we are all one has helped. My main frustration has and is that things are not the way I want them to be in life and I feel stuck. Feeling like there is no way out of the way in which I have created my life.

Undoing the effects of Hate from 34 years will take some time, Kevin.  But rest assured, if from now on you think and act according to the understanding that we are all one, things will clear up.  It takes some time to become aware of all the accumulated destructive habits.  You can speed things up through a regular "belief review process" I e-mailed to you from my book.  Be aware also that your past 34 years are a valuable asset because without experiencing the inevitable fallout, you would not be so motivated now to change course. Based on your experience, you are also much better equipped to help others, as you intend.  You have been there and you know what others are talking about.

Why were you chosen to see what you saw, and it is kept hidden from the rest of us?

I don't know, Kevin.  I can imagine that I made this decision before I was born.  

My best wishes to you, Kevin!

Jo.

Hello Kevin,

Let's summarize how we'll experience multi-dimensional reality after our death.

* We will "automatically" come together with our loved ones because of our mutual attraction.  This includes loved ones from prior incarnations.

* We have free will.

* We will realize that the purpose of reincarnations is to grow spiritually through experience in physical life.

* We will understand that spiritual growth includes learning to love everyone.

* We have the option of choosing the experiences, our parents, and our possible spouses for our next incarnation.  We do this based on our needs with the help of guides.

* We all chose the reincarnation process for our spiritual growth.  Once we entered this process, we must complete it until we don't need it any more.

*  In physical life, you may feel separated from other individuals.  However, you are never separated in multi-dimensional reality.  In fact, we are never separated from anything or anyone at all.  We are all One.

*After your death you have the opportunity to fully understand and "digest" your past experiences from physical life.  You have a much better view for choosing your further development and your next incarnation.  You may choose to be together again with your former spouse, not necessarily in the same type of relationship.  You may decide to have a parent/child relationship, or a close friendship.  There are reports of family clans reincarnating with totally new interrelationships.  This gives all an opportunity to experience the other person's viewpoint and it helps to settle possible imbalances.  

If you don't like certain aspects of your present life, Kevin, remember that this very feeling gives you the motivation to change, to master your life.  Therefore, your present dissatisfaction is good for you.  It'll get you going where you want to go, based on your plans developed before your birth.  

I believe that I answered your other questions in a private message.

Keep going, Kevin.  You are on the right track.

Jo.

[General Metaphysics / Quantum Metaphysics]

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[what does Quantum Metaphysics tell us?]

The Quantum Metaphysics forum has seen over 430 posts on about 40 subjects since Adrian's initial post some ten months ago.  Many contributions were interesting and helpful, yet I cannot remember one of them that reflected a true understanding of the subject at hand: what does Quantum Metaphysics tell us?  Has anyone read the book titled "Understanding the Grand Design: Spiritual Reality's Hidden Logic"?  If you have not, please see other readers' opinions. Go to www.quantum-metaphysics.com.  On its first page, click <font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">"What readers think of my book."</font id="Times New Roman"></font id="size3"> This will motivate you to learn more about this subject.

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Who understands quantum metaphysics? Let this topic thread be a place for contributors who have at least tried to understand Quantum Metaphysics and its core concept, Holisitc Logic.  My website www.quantum-metaphysics.com provides an essay titled "Revolution in Common Sense" which states the basic ideas.  However, it was written back in 1991 and my book is scientifically more up-to-date, it reflects a deeper understanding on my part, and it is easier to read, supported by many illustrations.

I believe that we have nibbled around the edges of Quantum Metaphysics long enough.  Let us now delve into the actual substance of what's all about!

Greetings!
Jo Wolf.

[Q:]

Letitia Baker e-mailed me the following question and suggested that I answer it in this forum.

Q: I have a Bachelor of Science (social science) and am interested in going back to school to learn quantum physics.  Besides the calculus and "physics 101" prerequisites, and the courses titled "quantum physics" (which are obvious must-takes), what other courses do you consider essential to the understanding of metaphysical concepts?

A: In addition to the required math and physics courses, I would tadd philosophy and perhaps psychology.  The latter may not provide information on metaphysics, but it is useful to become familiar with psychological concepts.  
As to where to find an institution that excels in a deeper understanding of consciousness, the famous Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell gave the following advice to a fellow named Chris in his EDM Discussion Group, wwww.edmitchellapollo14.com/discgroup3/00000841.htm:

Re: To a greater understanding of consciousness

Chris, nearly all this work is currently being done by renegades like myself, just a few with university affiliations trying to bridge the gap between physicality and subjective experience. Until recently these topics were not very welcome in academia--and still are not in many mainstream institutions. I am not aware of any formal course work, only post doc studies. However, Hammeroff at Univ of Arizona at Tucson, Penrose at Oxford, Schempp at Univ of Seigen (Germany), Jahn at Princeton, and some work being done at Temple Univ are the precursors to course work. California Institute for lntergral Studies, offers work in the field but don't think they yet are at the level of the physics we are discussing here--but getting close, I imagine. There may be more, if you search around a bit.

As I wrote in my 1991 essay "Revolution in Common Sense", the quantum is a "whole", undivided unit.  It appears to us as a duality only because we cannot directly perceive the higher-dimensional environment in which it exists.  Our experience of reality is limited by our perception of 3-D space and 1-D time.  In "true" reality, 3-D space and time do not exist, in other words, true reality is "nonlocal" and "nontemporal".  The quantum has more dimensions than our 3-D space and time.  

We know that the duality of space and time is a human illusion. Einstein discovered this.  We also know that each individual is one single entity although he/she appears to project the duality of mind and body – it's the same scenario.

What I am really saying is that both views are correct. The quantum is both, a single unit, and it appears to us as a duality.  This is no contradiction, as it is no contradiction that you are one person and yet you project the duality of mind and body.  Or Einstein's spacetime is one unified environment, yet we perceive it as the duality of space and time.  The difference between seeing the quantum as a "whole" or as two separate parts is in our point of view, in how we look at it.  I'm quite sure that Shahriar Afshar must address the nature of light in a multi-dimensional manner if he concludes that it is no duality.

Pantalimon,

The Copenhagen and Many Worlds interpretations are not "wrong", IMO, they simply don't tell the whole story.  I don't want to comment on Shahriar Afshar's experiment because I don't know enough about it.  Why don't you explain it to us?

Hello Necromancer,

I have basically no problem with your explanation.  An important part of Holistic Logic is that the higher dimensions are immanent, that is inside and transcendent, in everything.  As your soul is immanent in your body.  Ultimately, the highest "dimension" beyond all dimensions, the one that is not limited in any way and not definable other that it is a singularity, is immanent in every tiniest something that exists, whether we call it "string" or whatever.

The problem I have is with the concept that the higher dimension is "curled up" within such strings.  This implies that the higher dimensions do not expand beyond the dimensions of the strings.  This contradicts the concept of "higher" dimensions, IMO, particularly the concept of a singularity.

quote:I take question to all these so-called higher dimensional beings and their higher reality; they lead you to the idea that this is "just a stepping stone along the way to a higher consciousness." This is a fine-line of debate as I am connected to beings of altered states of consciousness. What I have learned is that we are the ancients we are the advanced higher beings and that time space is nothing like you know of. I am not trying to "squeeze" higher reality into the confines of our universe it is a fact of life. The fabric of our time space is made up of those holons of all eternity.

I don't see a conflict in assuming higher dimensional beings versus the notion that they "are us".  "We" are both, our individual selves as well as our souls.  From the viewpoint of our present incarnation, we must assume that higher dimensional beings do exist, such as our souls.  Their consciousness encompasses the parallel universes of their multiple incarnations.  Ultimately, we are all One.  This implies that we are also those higher dimensional beings.

Greetings!

Jo.

Hi Pantalimon,

Quantum Metaphysics does not overturn the Copenhagen and Many Worlds interpretations of Quantum Mechanics, it explains them.

Hello Zaphnat-Panea,

On Sept. 11 you wrote:

quote:But this of course does not mean that non-spiritual things (matter) are unified too.

This is where the misunderstanding comes in. EVERYTHING is unified as viewed from the multi-dimensional domain.  Material things are nothing but 3-D aspects of multi-D phenomena, similar to limiting our perception to the 2-D surface planes of a 3-D crystal (if you read the "Revolution" paper in my website.)  Only if you limit your view to the three dimensions that our eyes are capable of, then do you perceive material things as separate objects.  It's only because we humans are all equipped with the same limited sensors, that we believe in separate material things.  A multi-dimensional observer perceives all matter as mere aspects of one unified reality.

quote:Anyhow, may I suggest you to have a look here at http://www.iands.org/ and you will find a lot in common with your spiritual experience.

I am familiar with IANDS. My own experience is known as "spontaneous samadhi", which is a direct experience of the inner one-ness of everything.

Greetings!
Jo.

Hello Chimerae,

Thank you for your stimulating message.  

Adrian Cooper, the owner of this site, initiated the Quantum Metaphysics Forum (see:  Sticky: Welcome to the Quantum Metaphysics Forum).  Adrian informed me about his expertise in ancient spiritual scriptures and that my Quantum Metaphysics website expressed virtually the same fundamental wisdom in modern terms.  So he invited me to participate in his forum. Surely, Adrian knows that, for his audience, "there must needs be something resonant for there to be an attraction to this subject", as you put it, Chimerae.

My motivation and desire is that others recognize the urgency for all of us to understand the fundamental wisdom lest humanity continues its present slide into anarchy.  I am sorry that you, Chimerae, feel "this discussion reads like a bunch of nearsighted engineers whining about why not everyone thinks their particular version of a subspecialty is the most important anywhere."  There is nothing "subspecialized" about it, Chimerae.  And it has nothing to do with "My House My Rules" or "Why won't anyone play with us?"

quote:Some newbie (like me) posted, and I believe was told something like healing wasn't applicable to Quantum Metaphysics. I presume he went away and didn't come back.

I have no idea where this comes from. It certainly contradicts my own writings.

quote:I totally agree that this subject is the key to a workable future -- that it's concept evolutionary and everyone needs to embrace it. I'm not sure that you serve that goal by declaring an open forum and then scolding posters for talking about stuff not on your agenda.

Did I do that?  Tell me where, please.

quote:And while I'm at it, if the arena is really that exclusive, how come I can read these posts in simple english and not as page upon page of mathematics . . .or links to charts?

??

quote:Sure . . . set the limits where you like and enforce them. But in doing that, does it then make sense to complain that the world within your policed limts is somehow . . . limited?

I am not aware of any limits other than the usual common courtesy applicable to online forums.

quote:It's terribly rude of me to jump in here with such harsh observations, but I think what you have is extremely important and I feel the legitimate desire for greater inclusion of this critical concept in the group mind.

The only way I know how to do this is to become more familiar with the concept.  Let me know if I can help you with it.

Greetings!

Jo.

quote:I think JoWo wrote

Quote:
The problem will be with people with an insufficient, inadequate or no spiritual foundation. As for my view of both secular and religious types who would experience this "rapture", right now it seems that a lot will simply die from the experience. The folks who think they are "rapture ready" for instance, are in for one hell of a surprise. They'll be among the first ones to "burn".

Hello Necromancer.

I believe that Red Dragon wrote this passage.

quote:I think JoWo this is your postulate that we are hard wired for a spiritual awakening, have you ever thought that maybe that is because this is not the first one or second or even the seventh. Homer in his writing of Atlantis alluded to tales others told that the earth had gone through many such epochs

I actually have no opinion about hard wiring or soft programming of our brains.  In fact, I know nothing about this.  My views are of philosophical nature based on an enlightening experience of higher reality.

Concerning string theory, I could never warm up to it. (Perhaps I don't understand it enough). The concept of higher dimensions coiled up in incredibly thin strings does not make sense to me because this appears to be an attempt to squeeze higher reality into the confines of our 3-D world.  Instead, I am convinced that it is the other way around. Our 3-D world is a limited aspect of a much vaster multi-dimensional reality that is not limited to our concepts of space and time. Because the multi-dimensional reality is transcendent, it is still "immanent" in every aspect of our 3-D world, as a 3-D object is transcendent to and immanent in its 2-D surface.

Jo.

Hi Red Dragon,

quote:

quote:JoWo:
Interesting how your and my views of differ. I see full spiritual awakening as the ultimate goal of our life experience, whereas you seem to perceive a problem with it. I assume that the difference is in the approach to spirituality. Let me try this explanation: I approach spiritual awakening as a natural outcome from thoughts and actions, supported with appropriate meditation, that are in complete harmony with the transcendent Whole of the universe (All-Entity). This boils down to practicing unconditional love, which is All-Entity.

Red Dragon:
I didn't mean to convey that impression. I personally have no conceptual problems with a spiritual awakening per se. However the absolutely overwhelming intensity of a "full" one simply cannot be described. Shamanic ecstasy is but a step towards it. The problem will be with people with an insufficient, inadequate or no spiritual foundation. As for my view of both secular and religious types who would experience this "rapture", right now it seems that a lot will simply die from the experience. The folks who think they are "rapture ready" for instance, are in for one hell of a surprise. They'll be among the first ones to "burn".

As I understand it, the more benign approach of natural spiritual growth via meditation and conscious living automatically avoids this fierce "rapture" type of Awakening.

quote:Hmmm... Unconditional Love is but an aspect of All Entity, admittedly an agreeable approach. But...How would It know what unconditional love is in the absence of hate? Good in the absence of evil? Even then, such concepts only demonstrate the limitations of our thinking abilities. This All Entity is All Consciousness, including concepts like hate and evil.

Right. That's the point: letting go of our limited kind of thought, of accepting, without judgment, that What Is. It is identical with unconditional Love.  We can't do this by trying to sort it out rationally. Any such attempt is counter-productive.  The only chance to sense the unifying harmonious whole of opposites such as Love and Hate, Good and Evil, Space and Time, etc. is via a meditative state of mind.  It requires a temporary surrender of our opinions.

quote:

quote:JoWo:
I leave the physiological modifications up to the spiritual guides that we all have, trusting their judgment of what's good for me. You, Red Dragon, take matters more into your own hands, possibly speeding things up, but also taking the risk of potential missteps. There are pros and cons for either approach, but I would like to hear your view before expanding on this subject.

I refuse to sacrifice my free will. It's the greatest gift we've been given.

When I decide to let a surgeon remove my appendix, it is still my free will, even though I don't do it myself [].

quote:I've had no past lives, . . .

I have never heard of this possibility before, but if this is so, I can understand your unconventional approach to spiritual reality.  It is certainly interesting to listen to your perspective, Red Dragon.

Greetings!
Jo.

Hello Red Dragon,

Thank you for your long message.  I'll need some time to digest it, and I'll be away for the better part of next week.  So please wait with your "fly-bys" [].

Jo.

Hello Mustang,

Thank you very much for your detailed PM about medical problems affecting South Africa.  I answered you with a PM on 06-16 but I believe that you did not receive the message because of some computer problem.  This post here is a close copy of what I tried to send to you before.

I read through your references and it's rather bad situation alright.  I am impressed about how knowledgeable you are of this subject and I can imagine how it affects you.  To me, your story is another vivid example of what is wrong with humanity, quite in line with many other examples.  

We have a choice now how to react to such depressing facts.  I don't know how you personally cope with this, Mustang.  It's not easy, and if you don't watch out, it could eat you up.  Whatever you focus your mind on, this you'll experience in your future.  I'm not saying to turn our mind away from misery that needs to be corrected.  I'm rather saying that we create the desired future by focusing our mind on what is desirable, not what is undesirable, on the solution, not the problem.  We still focus on the same subject, but from a different angle.  It's a subtle but important difference.

I got the picture of what you are telling me, Mustang, supported by your net references, and it requires a remedy.  My own reaction is that I am even more motivated to help others understand how the universe works, how people hurt themselves when they hurt others.  Once they grasp this as a "fact", the new common sense, not moral but common sense will cause them to act responsibly.  This may sound like a long shot, but it is the only way I can think of that will do the job.  Modern man needs more than religious or moral principles.  After having gone though the "survival of the fittest" wringer, humankind must understand that "you create your own reality" by how you treat others.

You had some comments concerning the meaning of 'belief', Mustang.  We have a bit of a semantics problem here.  By 'belief' I simply mean what I consider to be correct.  Forget about its religious connotation, although religious beliefs are also considered to be correct by many. By correct I mean factual.  So there are wrong beliefs and there are correct ones, i.e. factual.  

A person's beliefs determine his/her thoughts and actions, whether the beliefs are factual or not.  If the beliefs are not factual, then the results are unsatisfactory.  The corporations' belief in survival of the fittest is erroneous and therefore causes the massive problems such as the one you described.  A change of belief to "we are all One", if genuinely accepted, would change all this.

Now, I am not so naïve to assume that you, I, and perhaps a few thousand others can turn this around.  I am counting on what I believe is an impending evolutionary shift. "We are All One" is an idea whose time has come, supported by powerful spiritual forces.  There are many channeled messages along this line that I consider credible.  It's the new common sense supported by the holistic logic of quantum metaphysics.

Greetings!
Jo.

Hello Adkha,

quote:JoWo, what do you think about the bad(sinners) persons living now? Do you think there is some kind of punishment? Or is it just a matter of your own identification with the interests of the whole?

Good and bad are relative terms that depend on the point of view.  The 9/11 hijackers are bad people from our point of view, but they are heroes for those who believe that Western society is morally corrupt.  Viewed from the Whole (All-Entity) of the universe, every act or event is an expression of life.  As we don't judge a lion 'bad' because it kills a lamb, so are the acts of humans only symptoms of humanity's level of evolution.  There is no "God" who condemns and punishes such behavior.  

However there are cause-and-effect consequences of our thoughts and actions.  We create our own reality by how we think and act.  This occurs quite automatically, through what is called the law of attraction: like attracts like, or as we have been told already two millennia ago: you harvest what you sow.  

Another way of understanding this is as follows.  The highest source of life, of love, and of harmony is inside each being.  If you think and act against the principles of life, love, and harmony, then you do so against your own innermost self.  In other words, you separate yourself from the very source of your own being.  The result can be like hell, without anyone judging or punishing you. It's a matter of cause and effect.

quote:If I will look at this subject from your theory's point of vieuw I would say: when you die you get a little bit closer the source (top of the ladder, all-entity) but you will see you didn't lived as loving as you wanted to live. So you can not identify yourself with this interest of the whole. So you will re-incarnate and live a better live. (right?)

That's a good way to put it.

quote:Now I used the factor (interest of the whole)..I dont know the right word here)love. Are there any more factors that we have to identify with?

Other factors are joy and acceptance (avoidance of criticizing others).  As you continue to identify with the All-Entity, you develop a better feel for It that is beautiful.  Jesus said it perfectly: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." and: "Love your neighbor as yourself."  Just keep in mind that the transcendent Whole of the universe was pictured as "the Lord your God" at that time. And forget about the many misinterpretations that have developed in religions over time.

Greetings!
Jo.

Hi Adkha,

quote:So when my body dies...I will come a litle higher in the ladder and I will be able to experience a greater concsious than I can now...?

Yes, for a simple answer. You still create your own reality based on your mindset.  Except, without you body, the effect is instantaneous. Whatever you think, you create immediately, and you learn very soon to control your thoughts. You also go through a "life review" which demonstrates to you how your actions affected others, and how they responded to you.  This shows you what you could have done better and eventually aids you in planning your next incarnation.  You advance depending on how much you have identified with the interests of the Whole.

Jo.