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I think Logic brought up a really good point here.

quote:Some people choose to use them for fun, others for health, spirituality and sometimes, abuse. Just because some one uses drugs dosent mean they dont put work into practicing their spirituality, I for one do both and I am happy with my progression

I think we should concern ourselves with looking at the bigger picture and not being as judgmental. Remember what HH Dalai Lama said that there are many paths up the mountain. Granted, drugs may lead to abuse and turn from a guide to a slipping point.

Though this may seem to rationalize use, I feel that if psychotropic mushrooms evolved, they did so for a reason - whether it be as a defense mechanism to stop animals from eating them or as a tool to assist consciousness. When you stop and think about any "drug", it is hard to see what substance isn't a drug. What about the tea you drink? The stimulants released when you bite into your favorite food? Where do they fit in the scheme of things?

I really enjoy Alex Grey's work! I own a print of http://www.alexgrey.com/a-gallery/wndr.html (Zena Gazing at the Moon - Wonder)

You bring a good point, Logic. It's hard to discern what is real - from drug trips to spiritual trips. You could say that my thoughts and experiances are so heavily influenced by outside sources (food choices, others' thoughts, books, etc.) that placing drug induced trips below spiritual trips is trivial - that getting power from the mushroom is no different than getting power from bread. And I would agree with that, but I still feel as drugs can open things in your mind and body that you might not be able to handle. Things that can overpower you and leave you in a changed state that you might not desire.

Hey, I suppose Zen could do that, too! lol It's just some of the harder drugs today have such a purely negative energy that I'm turned off to everything but mary, shrooms, and alcohol.

LeCosmic, do try and go with someone who has done it before. It helps. Cheers!

I live in northwest Iowa, USA and about the only things around here are corn & hogs. w00t!

Oh well, college is only a year away.

One thing to remember with any pyschotropic drugs, there is always an element of "did it really happen?" Drugs do have benefits, and I'm not degrading them, but when a substance is required to enter another realm the thin line between halluncinations and visions becomes obscured.

But don't take me the wrong way, I too have had feelings of unity on mushrooms. My sense of self almost dissolved as my lower body meshed into and become the earth. I had no concept of legs and couldn't understand why we needed them anyway. There was a deep appreciation and love for the earth. But when I came out of that, I'm now left questioning if my love was "true" at that time.
-Ted

I agree with you Ghost. I think one reason we're overweight is that, for the most part, Americans don't have physically demanding jobs and don't eat correctly.

But we often overlook the physical aspect because we place other things above it on our priority lists... Spiritual development, a nice car, a nice house, family, and so on. If we want to change that I think we need to talk about how a strong physical self is conducive to spiritual and mental development. Most people would agree that wasting your mind on excessive drugs or television isn't helpful to spiritual development. You just have to explain that wasting your body on idleness and junk food is exactly the same thing.

Triple J is an Australian radio station that's pretty good! It beats any station around where I live hands down. http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/default.htm

Perhaps the bit that really enticed me was a lady mentioned that pagans were excellent at manipulating energy fields - especially in sex. I didn't know energy work was a big part of their beliefs. But it seems not a lot of people dig Triple J. lol

I think your brain is telling you to wake up when you dream of sleeping.

That sounds very solid, Corvette. I believe that.

Beavis, I will try and memorize some of the lines so I can research it on google next time it happens. Wonderful idea!

Nazier, very often my dreams have a high degree of clarity. But as for control... Ehh I'd say it's passive control at best. I don't lucid dream... I suppose I should work towards it.

Timeless, when I write I seem to only be able to write "quality" lines when I do it from hunches, or impromptu spouts! Perhaps, the lady was a guide and has been influencing my writing. Heh, one time I was brushing my teeth when I felt lines of prose fly into my head. I had to drop everything and scramble for a pen.

Anyone have any ideas on how I can further this in my dreams? Should I try and learn some LD techniques? Anyone have them? Or maybe work on contacting this lady, if indeed she is my guide?

Sorry about coming off offensive in my post. I didn't intend the question to have that edge to it. My bad.

I should rephrase my question to an answer. I think the biggest obstacle in accessing the akashic records to win the lottery would be intent. I suppose in your case, your intent is pure - to help the family. But I won't judge. Let me put it another way. I believe in karma: and pure intentions reap pure rewards.

Come to think of it, I remember a Buddhist teacher talking once of how only people who deserve to win the lottery win it.

I thought I remember hearing Native lore about phasers, but I couldn't put my finger on it so I posted here. I guess perhaps not. Oh well.

Oh, and just because he came from a mental institution doesn't mean everything he says is batty.

"YOUR LIFESTYLE TO RELAX FROM LIFES MATERIALISTIC WORRIES AND ALLOW YOU TO PERSUE THE MORE ENLIGHTENING WAYS OF LIFE."

Isn't there something contradictory about pursuing the akashic records in order to win the lottery, which would then bring about more time for enlightenment?

What types of things would you be looking for in this locale? You mentioned having portals and doorways to other realms. Also, having realms of the elements and meeting grounds. Anything else?

Tom has a nice idea of photographing scenes. That would make it easier to do if you wanted an open-air or outdoor setting.

Thanks Tom. You always have good references, with solid experiance to match. I've been looking at getting The Tibetan Book of the Dead and I think I'll get it when I order books again.

Often times when I'm riding in a car I'll do that. Or just trying to hold onto my consious before falling off into sleep. I could be thinking of something else, but for me my mind feels too groogy, so I feel like it wasn't a mind split.

Thanks for the responses and stories, guys!

I think I'm going to do energy work seperate of yoga, and focus of the asanas for the time being.

I agree with Tom here. Though most of you probably don't know me because I hardly post, I haven't been coming here a lot lately because it seems... well childish. I'm not bashing DBZ, but this shift in training and attention at the Energy boards makes me long for the old posts.

Perhaps a new forum for DBZ or at least a call to post only meaningful topics that will help others is in order.

My two favorite jokes evAr!


What did HH the Dalai Lama say to a NYC hotdog vendor?
  -"Make me one with everything"


After paying the hotdog vendor with a $20, HH waited for his change. What did the vendor say to HH the Dalai Lama?
  -"Change must come from within"

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I believe Tool has mentioned that they do their work simply for themselves. To evolve themselves both musically and spiritually.

I agree with DjM, classical music can have a profound impact. Within classical music are such complex rythems and melodies that just play off of each other so well that it takes a lot of awareness to understand and feel the intricacies.

But I'm going to have to pitch some trance and techno to you Squeek. I simply love it. It can be as amazing as classical music, but there is such a raw energy in it to dance. I find trance to be excellent for raising energy or raising awareness. Even while driving in my car I can envision everything around me vibrated and moving to the music.Oh, it's just oh so sweet. http://www.digitallyimported.com/ Digitally Imported streams many types. The beats might not stick in your head as much and interfer. But if you're like me you've listened to so much techno that you can pick out beats and they will stick in your head just as easily as lyrics!

Very interesting thread. I have to say I've never tried any herbs. But I do know of a folk tale that Mugwort can induce lucidity in dreams and the likes. Has anyone ever tried it? Though I hear it's toxic in high quantities.

Just to add to what Fenris said relating to chemicals and your current situation, I agree totally with him. I've seen a few people who believe that they have this disease of chemical imbalances and that's the way it is. You can't change it. Like Fenris said, you can fall into that trap. But, they're wrong. You can change the chemical balances in your brain by thoughts and awareness. The problem I see with mental health as a science is that they fail to recognize the power of the mind. Drugs for this, drugs for that. That's fine and dandy until they get off of them. Oh, improving your thoughts and awareness can do so much for your mental health. Very often your perception can determine your reality.

Opps. Sorry for rambling on but I just love it when people can see the power of the mind on health. Fenris gave you some good advice there. I don't know much about the psychic self-defense, but I think meditation is a great start. Also, having a place that is good and holy to reflect at is great. I reserve a chair in my room strictly for religous practices.

I don't know what I can offer. I'm not much advanced in energy work, but I believe good intent can help. I've been reading other threads and I'm going to start sending loving energy when I meditate to all of you.

What else do you need to know about Monica? She was 17, lived in northwest Iowa, United States, an older sister.... .....

I have a meta-music file called 'Flying Free'. It's a guided meditation/lucid dreaming type of thing designed to induce the feeling of flying.

It's about 43 minutes long and 40 mb. If you guys want it I could send it to you, but I think a lot of email accounts have an attachment limit. If anyone has MSN I could send it to you over that. Add me to your list, my name is thebeatgoesononon@hotmail.com

Or, I could snail mail you a burned cd of it for free if you like. Just PM or email me.

" I experienced - an aura-like cascading shower of crackling white sparks.."

I've experianced what I believe you are describing. I find that it often occurs when there isn't the right amount of blood flow to my head. One time it occured after taking the SAT and another when I did a cartwheel very early in the morning....
I think that is a physical sensation... but perhaps opening your crown chakra could help.

I'm sorry (uhhh not really - from what I hear migranes are bad) that I've never had a migrane so I don't know much about the black aura.

I think I'm getting a consensus here that sleep is downtime to repair and energize it seems. So, what I'm thinking is that while we are awake there is so much going on, so much physical energy being spent doing the oddest of things that there isn't avalible awareness or energy to repair and energize the body. It seems that from meditation the body is still and the mind is focused on one thing - perhaps giving the subconscious a chance to heal the body.

Does that reasoning seem logical to you guys?

First off, great thread!
But a few questions...

What is the deal with Monroe having to abstain from alcohol and other mind numbing drugs?
Bananas taste better coming up than going down? I might have to try that I'm so curious.
What's the 'coma position'?

I find that if I've drank too much it's best to just purge myself of the alcohol... I'm going to vomit sometime, it might as well be now!