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Plato spoke of an island in the Atlantic ocean, so lost civilizations outside Greece must be something else than Atlantis.

quote:Originally posted by MJ-12

My money's on the remnants of a small island nation that was destroyed by a volcanic eruption several thousand years ago, off the coast of Greece. No crystals, or aliens, or anything like that. Just an ancient people who were relatively advanced for their time.

Just because I don't believe it existed, doesn't mean that it existed. I'd like to hear other people's opinions about this. What do you think?

quote:Originally posted by harlequin_star

Why are you asking if it exsisted,Dr. Shaman, when you already don't believe?
What do you hope to learn from asking?

I am more familiar with the chakra system than with the three energy centers mentioned in the slideshow, but I understand what you mean.

quote:Originally posted by Michael_E

quote:Originally posted by DrShaman

I have already checked out "creative visualization" by shakti gowin, but it wasn't what I looked for. I am not interested in creative visualization. The point of this seems to be visualising what you want
with the purpose of making that visualization come true in the physical world. What I am interested in is to train visualization with the purpose of developing clairvoyance further, like seeing things behing closed eyes more clearly when I meditate. (Closed Eye Visuals) All the books on visualization seem to be on creative visualization. Isn't there any book that is not about creative visualization?

Bringing energy or chi or prana or ki to the third eye and crown will help you with what you want. Its good to keep it balanced as well by bringing excess chi to the navel or subnavel when your done with your energy work. A disciplined meditation system will allow what you want to happen naturally as a by-product of mental effort and chi cultivation.

heres a few links to get you started:

http://www.alchemicaltaoism.com

http://www.universal-tao.com/slide_show/wisdom_chi_kung/index.html

shaman: My last message didn't get posted right so I post it again:

I almost always get these closed eyes visuals when I meditate, and I get them when I focus also. For instance I get them on a mantra meditation when I concentrate on the mantra. But I understand what you mean, the visuals are not the point. I've had a lot of mystical experiences also. But what I need to develop now is visualisation.

I often see abstract shapes that are morphing into other shapes. Sometimes I see landscapes, people and creature also. I want to see more of this and less of the abstract stuff. I want the stuff I see to keep still, but often they change and morph into other stuff.

What I want to train is to learn to do more visualisation exercises, like these:

http://www.plotinus.com/exercise_psychology.htm

Although I often see closed eye visuals, I am not good at visualization yet. When I want to see something, I often see something else. So do you know any book that can be useful for learning this?

quote:Originally posted by shaman

Hello Doctor,

There are many stages in meditation. Let us assumed that you are familiar with the relaxation stages, and you (say) lay down relaxed on your bed. Then for a little while you can practice contemplation to realease some of the natural stress, thoughts, etc.. The comtemplation is also explained in the book of Bruce, where you actually let your thoughts take you where they want.

The next step is when you start concentrating, focusing your awareness onto the object of concentration. For example you might have chosen your breathing as the object of your concentration. As you bring your awareness to your nostrils you feel and are aware of the air coming in and air going out. Naturally there will occur moments of distractions either from the outside (noise in the house, street, etc..) or from the inside (itchy leg, need to swallow, thoughts coming in, passing by, etc..). You will then gently bring back your attention to the object of concentration. This will happen more than once that distraction will occur.

Now it is during this period when you are being distracted and when you try to focus your awareness onto the object of concentration that visions occur. Visions can be terrible at times, with horrible beasts, etc... Budhists have actually visions of Buddha himself. There are the visions you want to work on, they will appear when you lose your awareness from the object of concentration, as your mind start to wander all by itself.

In meditation, one actually continues beyond the visions, one try to shift his/her awareness away from the visions (ignoring them - of course that's not what you want to do) to reach full absorption. Full absorption is when you awareness is suddently locked onto the object of concentration. The meditator becomes one with the object of concentration, there is a feeling of hapiness, bliss, physically and mentally that take over the meditator. There are many levels from there, but that's the basic one. Vision appears before that, as I mentioned above.

Good book on meditation (by psychologists) do explain a lot on the visions, maybe that's what you want to look for.

I have already checked out "creative visualization" by shakti gowin, but it wasn't what I looked for. I am not interested in creative visualization. The point of this seems to be visualising what you want
with the purpose of making that visualization come true in the physical world. What I am interested in is to train visualization with the purpose of developing clairvoyance further, like seeing things behing closed eyes more clearly when I meditate. (Closed Eye Visuals) All the books on visualization seem to be on creative visualization. Isn't there any book that is not about creative visualization?

quote:Originally posted by Michael_E

quote:Originally posted by DrShaman

Do you know any books with visualisation mediation exercises? I need to train more visualisation. I have already done a lot of astral travel, but I need to train visualisation more to develop clairvoyance further.

I liked art and practice of creative visualization by ophiel. there is another one with a similar title by shakti gawin that is pretty good.

Drugs have been used for as long as human civilization
have existed to get contact with the spirit world. How clear
is the sober mind? Certain drugs make your mind even clearer
and expand the mind. The best drugs for this purpose
is in my opinion the natural drugs mescaline and Ayahuasca.

Psychedelic drugs can make a lot of people psychic that wasn't psychic before.
Some extremely psychic people don't need to use psychedelics, but for most of us it saves a lot of time. It just takes much longer to reach where you want to go without psychedelics. I don't mean that it's necessary to use drugs for this, but some states of mind can not be reached without them. But some things are better to do without drugs, like lucid dreaming and other dream explorations.

If you thought about your friend when you did this, maybe you picked
up some of his old memories and emotions.

quote:Originally posted by Avalon

DrShaman - I've had a similar experience.  But it was extremely brief.  Which is one of the things that made it so amazing.

I was meditating one day with intentions of visiting Akashic records.  Thoughts of a friend of mine kept interfering so, I eventually decided to hold one thought of him to see what would happen.

I had a flash of an image.  It only last a second.  But in that second, I felt emotions, saw a moving image, heard sounds of what was happening in that scene.  Sort of like I must have lived it once. It is fascinating.  The dress of the person was ancient.  And either the scene was one of impending violence or, erhmm, sex.[:I]

After looking at Alex grey's site today,
I recognized that the pattterns and colors in what I saw is similar to his paintings:

http://www.alexgrey.com/shop.html

He must have been at the same dimension as I.

That's fascinating. Do you have any experiences with this?

I have also relived som memories from two of my past lives. Is this also accessing the Akashic Records? I've read that past lives are stored in the aura.

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover

All information on the past is stored in the Akashic Records, so if the events you saw actually happened, they probably did come to your from the records. There are as many ways to access the records as your imagination allows you.

I watched some of PsiTech's demos and I wasn't impressed. They said that anyone could learn it and that you just have to follow some steps. Their methods seemed very automatic. It didn't feel right, since I think that if psi stuff like remote viewing should work, it must be based on intuition.

They also had a movie about a woman who went back in time to watch the resurrection of Christ. That proves to me that they are not reliable, since I'm sure that he didn't really resurrect. (even if he did some other astounding things)

quote:Originally posted by LogoRat

Its one of the best source for information about remote viewing.

I myself did the course and did a few session until i prooved to myself that it was the real deal.

You can get some hightech media information about remote viewing at www.psitech.net
But farsight is truly a great source and totally free.

My personal view on the person that is presenting the stuff on farsight is somehow very very calm and not as energetic as the dudes at psitech.net
But when you get into the course, his voice is really good to calm you down so you dont stress yourself.

Personally when i did the course i got sometimes very stressed because my consciousness got uncomfortable. But remember that that is normal when you deal with remote viewing..cuz its not the conscious mind that is putting the information down.

I REALLY reccomend doing the course, it is an awesome experience when you proove to yourself that what you got was the real deal.

Some may ask why i didnt do the full course, and here is my answer:
I wanted to learn what it was and how to do it.
Not just know it but feel it, and i got to that point.
Beeing a remote viewer is not my plan in this physical life, so it was just a self understanding thing i did, and what a real AWESOME experience it was.
So, my focus is not on remote viewing...thats why i didnt continue.

It seems to be a good course so I have started do download it.

My source is Rick strassman's book DMT the spirit molecule, chapter 3. Check out

http://www.rickstrassman.com/dmt/chaptersummaries.html

and read what it says under the chapter "The Psychedelic Pineal"

quote:Originally posted by Shinobi

quote:Originally posted by DrShaman

According to the tibetans and DMT-scientist Rick Strassman
49 days after the fetus has been made, when the pineal gland starts to produce DMT.

I'm not sure of your source, but according to the Bardo Thodol (Tibetan Book of the Dead), the personal matrix (there is no permanent soul, by Western standards) becomes attracted through karmic influences to a particular couple engaged in intercourse.  Through those same sources, he/she is impelled into the woman's uterus and is born 9 months later.  

The 49 days you mentioned might be related to the longest time that a normal person remains in the bardo realm after leaving their current form.

Also, I've found interesting the number of folks who feel that if re-incarnation is true, then it makes abortion a moral non-event.  Wouldn't that same logic apply to the killing of a new born, or a teenager, or a full grown adult?  If the moral issue is with the ending of a human life, it wouldn't make sense to differentiate just based on the clock. Would it?

Anyway great reading everyone's take on this interesting topic!

Here is my third projection
,or read the entire story of all the projections on
http://www.virtualexp.net/dope/aya.htm

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This time I was determined to find out if the information on the mental plane is really impossible to understand and if so why.
It was a sunny day and I felt like this was unique opportunity to trip, since I felt that something would occur next week that would
ruin my chances of  tripping then. I had learned from my mistakes I made during the other trips, so I ate a steady breakfast and
I listened to my inner voice, which told me that  this was a good day to trip. I went to the same oak forest
as the other trips.

The effects came almost too fast this time, so I sat down in the grass to gather some strength. When I closed my eyes
I reached that other dimension and saw the same type of colors as before. The sunbeams hit me and I felt that I got Prana energy from the
sun that helped me reach this higher dimension. I felt telepathic contact with the same entity as before. I didn't see its body and it seemed
like the entity had no body or any other material form.

I asked this spirit if this is the mental plane. I didn't get any clear answer on this, but I understood that is another higher dimension.
I tried one more time to understand the information up there, but I couldn't. I wondered and telepathicely asked the spirit why
it is impossible for me to understand this.

Then I felt like I was thrown out of time and space.  My mind didn't  exist  in the present time anymore and it was scary and very
intensive. I have experienced timelessness and transcendence before but this was not the same. It was like was wrongly adjusted
to time. Then I understood why the information on this higher dimension that we may call the mental plane is impossible to understand.
After I got that revelation I came down a bit from this extremely intense state of mind. My conclusion is this:

The reason why it is impossible to understand the information on this dimension that we may call the mental plane is that the information is
about time. You have to be adjusted to time in a certain way to be able to live this life and be able to live in the present. If you are adjusted
in that way, you can not understand this information about time.

I didn't get mad after trying to understand this information, but after every mental projection I get confused and I find it hard to stay in the present
I think about the future a lot and it's like I'm not really in the present for a while. I also got confused for a while during this trip, but then a girl
I know sent me an message on the phone and wondered how I was doing. After that I got very euphoric and I felt that I have got a
new strength from this trip. The rest of the trip was very euphoric and I just enjoyed the forest, the nice weather and all the patterns in the clouds.
I also had time to ask some more questions to the spirits.

I think that the natural drugs mescaline and ayahusca are most effective when communicating with the spirit world. In a lot of ways,
they are more effective than even LSD. I don't know for sure if this was the mental plane, but it was definitely another dimension.
How can you know for sure if it's really that plane? Anyway, the mental plane is just a name, you can call it other things.

quote:Originally posted by beavis

^ Why is it impossible?

I did my third projection to the mental plane yesterday, and I think I found out why it is impossible to understand the information on the mental plane. I can inform you on this if anyone is interested.

Ofcourse, you're right! Since time has no meaning there, frequency has not either.

But I don't know what you mean with
"Nobody can agree on whats past and future".

quote:Originally posted by beavis

I think RTZ is higher frequency than earth. But frequency becomes undefined somewhere in astral (or higher?) because you could go to a "past" or "future" place as easy as a place now. Nobody can agree on whats past and future. Time has no meaning there, so frequency (oscillations/time) doesnt either.

I think it's confusing to use frequency, when we mean something else. The books that I've read don't explain that it's only metaphors.

quote:Originally posted by bitkari

I think as one explores the varied universes, our terms for describing them break down. I think as long as the (wildly innaccurate) terms we use are known to be metaphors, they're ok to use.

Yea, I think you are right. One thing that annoys me is that most occult books write about vibration frequencies and that one plane is on a higher frequency than another, like it was a proven fact. It would be better to talk about different planes, or maybe dimensions? I have projected to the astral plane and maybe to the mental and I have experienced that some places are higher up spiritually than others.

The people that are writing these books need to study physics and be more scientific. Scientists will not take occult books seriously if they write about frequencies, but don't know what they mean by it.

quote:Originally posted by DG

The whole idea of "frequency" of planes is misleading. I believe this word was originally introduced by people who did not understand the meaning of the word, and then it took roots in occult literature. I suspect that happened mostly in the beginning of 20th century, when people tried to explain many things with recently discovered "fashionable" thing of electricity.

The definition of frequency is a number of oscillations, or periodic movements, of matter or energy per unit of time, usually per second. In physics, there are two processes that have property of frequency: sound waves, and electromagnetic waves (and its variants, like electric current). Roughly speaking, in case of sound waves, the frequency is a number of oscillations of air, or liquid or solid matter per second. For electromagnetic waves, it is a number of periodic changes of electromagnetic field per second.

When one talks of frequency, one should assume that it could be measured, usually in Herz. Another parameter of the periodic process is its amplitude. The frequency and the amplitude define any periodic process almost completely.

When one talks about frequency of Astral, or Mental planes, there is nothing to measure. Frequency of what? What is the value of it? There is no answer to these questions (at least at this time). Therefore, the use of this term in not appropriate. And indeed, in most cases the word "frequency" can be substituted by plane, level, dimension, and so on.

Just my 2 cents.

Dmitri.

I understand. Anyway, thanks for sharing your experiences and good luck on your astral travels!

I'm starting a new thread for my unanswered questions.

quote:Originally posted by timeless

Dear DrShaman,

Guess it is pretty obvious but I can't answer those questions.  All I can say is I get feelings and the white wash effect.  That's all I have to go on.  Really sorry I can't help any further than that.  

Regards,
timeless

I have also fealt that some places are higher up spiritually than others, like the one I described. But does that mean that it's on a higher frequency? How do we know that if no one has measured? And what kind of frequency are we talking about? Electromagnetic?

Most of the meanings of the colors are same as the chakra colors, but not all like pink and yellow. I think I know what you mean when you say they got to be in balance.

quote:Originally posted by timeless

Dear DrShaman,

As I go to higher planes I notice things look whiter more washed out. Also, the feeling of the place is different. It is more energizing.  This is all I have to go on.

Think of the colours as aspects that need to be worked with and balanced.

Red = Will and Passion (passion for life - joy in its most positive aspect)
Pink = Unconditional Love and Wisdom
Orange = Drive (fortitude to accomplish the tasks we need to accomplish in life)
Yellow = Intellect (very important to balance intellect with emotion)
Green = Harmony, healing, reconciliation, forgiveness of self and others
Blue = Philosophy and Active Knowledge
Purple = Spiritual Idealism

All these aspects need to be brought together in harmony.
 
Regards,
timeless

Couldn't have said it better. I would like to add that the meaning is also to experience the world, because without life, the world could not be experienced.

Anyway, these things can not be understood by just reading about it. They must be directly experienced.

quote:Originally posted by wantsumrice

every lifetime has a meaning and every human has had many lifettimes. these lives were dedicated to learn and perfect your whole self. this life that you lead right now is a lesson for the future. you wont know what you are to learn, but when you die and im sure you will figure that out . The meaning of your whole self is to become perfect. To become perfect one must learn everything. And one way of learning is to reincarnate on earth, which is a shortcut. Each time you reincarnate (if you wish to) you get closer or farther away from god. And that is the purpose of our wholeselves: to become one with God, to be infinite. You can think of your life as just a mere lesson in perfecting and learning about your true self and your flaws.

~ivan

According to the tibetans and DMT-scientist Rick Strassman
49 days after the fetus has been made, when the pineal gland starts to produce DMT.

Yea, I have also experienced that guides don't always answer. Things that seem abstract to us, like the mental plane, are often natural to them. So it's sometimes hard to get answers on complicated questions.
I read the text about the seven rays, but it didn't make sense to me.

I agree that it's very difficult to understand what's happening on the mental plane. You talked about vibration, but how do we really know that the mental plane is on a higher vibration than the astral plane? I mean no one has measured the frequencies. And what kind of vibration do you mean? Do you mean electromagnetic vibration? And what is it that vibrates?

quote:Originally posted by timeless

Dear DrShaman,

Guides can remain silent on certain issues.  Sorry.  I am not very helpful.  The colours are not surprising.  They might represent the seven rays.  Here is a link discussing the seven rays.  Reading about the seven rays might help you figure out how to best work with these colours.

http://beaskund.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/psychology1/psyc1010.html

What little I am able to bring back from the mental plane, (if it is indeed that) is that this is the place where ideas initiate.  It is far less concrete than the astral. You can still make things in the astral with your mind but not with the same ease as on the mental plane.  

What was in the 'room'?  Sometimes nothing...sometimes a white throne...sometimes a table...sometimes other beings (minds).  Sorry it is so scetchy.  But if one thinks it's hard to remember what happens in the astral it gets harder and harder as you climb in vibration up the astral and beyond it grows increasingly difficult to bring back things with clarity or full understand of what was experienced.

Respectfully,
timeless

You can buy ayahuasca and mescaline cactuses from

www.ethnoplanet.com

quote:Originally posted by pod3

As someone who has learned to test the edibility of strange plants in the wild by minute tastes, I have noticed similar properties between adaptogens and hallucinogens. In their pure states, in the proper dosage, either cause synesthesia with no harm or byproduct residue. I have some abilities in this regard to begin with and find that these substances only act to sharpen them. Maybe psychological harm only happens to those with no outlets through which to process this sort of imagery? Perhaps those people have instantaneously eroded the insular universe they created in order to compensate for things which they could not deal with. Anyway, what I saw made perfect sense to me.

If you are growing plants, I would be interested in compensating for viable starts in the US, in accordance with legally sanctioned religious usage.

What objects were in the rooms that you visited?

On my second ayahuasca experience, I noticed that the patterns seemed to be affected by my thoughts. I didn't think any complicated thoughts at the time, but it was like I saw my own thoughts.
I don't think all the patterns were created by my thoughts though.

The day before my first ayahuasca experience,
I prepared myself and read about the mental plane. One of my intention with the experience was to try to project to the mental plane. But I'm not really sure, eventhough my experience of it was similar to other people's experiences of it that I've read. But nothing could have prepared me for all those strange colors.

It could have been the upper astral plane, like you said. I'll have to ask the spirit next time if it's really the mental plane. Is there any other way of finding out?

quote:Originally posted by timeless

Dear DrShaman,

This sounds like a very lovely upper astral plane location.  There are different definitions of the mental plane.  To add to the confusion some people talk about a mental physical plane and even a mental astral plane.  

My understanding of the Mental plane thus far is that it is beyond the astral.  The astral has preformed astral objects in it that have a earthy look and feel to them.  The Mental plane (again I could be wrong here) is much more illusionary.  It is much, much easier to form objects with the mind on this level and there tend not to be as many preformed objects.  It is the area of Grand Illusion and mental disipline is paramount here.  Also, I find that more time is packed in...as if things are even more compressed than the 'percieved' flow of time in the astral.

Very Respectfully,
timeless[]