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[Became lucid during dream returned to body but couldnt awaketraditionally re-exited bodyCouldn't go through solid wallsThere were some dream elementsWhen I looked out windows and doors it wasn't rightI couldn't get out of the vibration stageI felt trapped to my body yet couldn't merge back in it]

I would like some insight on this experience. (I will summarize on the bottom if you don't want to read it all).

I was doing some heavy dreaming this morning when my dog woke me up, as I fell back to sleep, I had a dream of being in my house when I looked through a door and saw the garage was filled with fishnets, I knew right then that I was in a dream and became fully lucid. After pattering around and playing with a kitten i found I decided to go back and tried to wiggle my real toes. I went back in expecting to awake but I was paralyzed and the vibrations and buzzing became very powerful. I couldn't get out of it. I couldnt wake up or leave my body and it was quite uncomfortable. I took the advice of a board member and grabbed hold of the side of my bed and heaved my self up and out. I then pattered around the house some more. The furniture was even more different but there were less dream elements. It was very bright like day. I was very excited and decided to experiment so I tried to force a finger through my kitchen wall but with no luck. I then jumped hoping to fly but only hoped a little off the ground. Finally I slammed myself against the floor, and felt quit a thump but I didn't go through. I then decided to return to my body. I felt for it and entered but was stuck again; it felt like I was jammed between it. I struggled to move my physical body and thought I succeeded when I rolled over but I was quickly slammed back in and realized that I hadn't physically moved at all. I struggled some more and started to panic because I couldn't awake. Everytime i moved i was forced back in place. What made it worse was the buzzing became very high pitched and intense and I started to hear voices whispering. This continued for about 5 minutes and thank goodness my alarm went off. The whole experience was very jarring.

Summary:

Became lucid during dream
returned to body but couldnt awake
traditionally re-exited body
Couldn't go through solid walls
There were some dream elements
When I looked out windows and doors it wasn't right
I couldn't get out of the vibration stage
I felt trapped to my body yet couldn't merge back in it
Here are my questions

Are Obes more difficult if you had just been in deep sleep a few moments before the actual experience? Also, is sleep paralysis more common in the morning method?

Could this of been a lucid dream and not an OBE (I have never been lucid for more then a few seconds so I wouldn't know what one felt like)?

I could see when i was lying down, but as soon as i started to get out it became very dark, but only in my room. I think i might be intentionally turning off my sight because i am afriad of seeing negative things while im exiting. Is this possible?

I have trouble holding what I guess you could call a lucid OBE. For a long time now ive been having dreams of APing. Lately they have become more and more real and i have had much more control. Just recently i have had two OBE which were extremely vivid but ive been encountering strange difficulties. I keep falling asleep during the actual OBE right in the first few minutes.
The first time i was in my room and headed towards the window (i actually leaped in to it) but immediately blacked out. Remembering the experience was very difficult which is why I consider it a dream.

Last night I got to my living room which was very real and normal (no distortions like I normally dream). I can remember using my sense of touch very well. After a few seconds I ran (almost flew) back to my body which was asleep on my bed (it was strange to see myself). I wanted to wake up and write things down. But I didn't really wake up, I dreamed that I awoke, walked to the bathroom, and talked to family member which weren't home at the time of the OBE, i then blacked out and awoke sometime later.

These fake wake dreams and black outs occur after every OBE attempt so far.
I think ive been considering many of my OBEs dreams because im in dreamland so long they dont stick like a vivid experience in my memories.
Ive been good and these conscious OBEs were kept short on purpose but i cant really wake up or not black out within the first half minute. I cant wake up!
Any tips to prevent this? (P.s. i take yoga so im pretty energized)

Im sure alot of people on this board have tried yoga so im just curious who does it and why they decided to take it.

I started taking Yoga b/c I felt it would help improve my chances of Astral projecting. It has proved to be quite beneficial in countless ways for me.
There are also lots of kinds of yoga and I would like to know what types of yoga are best for achieving different goals in the spiritual and physical.

Anyways I think yoga is pretty awesome though im sure some will disagree.[]

Hello,
I haven't posted much so I thought I'd share a quick story that confirmed to me that astral travel is real in dreams and encouraged me to develope an interest in OBE.

I once had a dream that I flew to a giant glass building with spires surrounded by skyscrapers. Once inside the building I noticed it was quite hollow but still has many platforms and spiraling staircases. I saw many strange people including mourners, some wearing all white and others all black. There were also other people in priest like garbs. I was informed that I was there to perform with my choir, which stood waiting near a giant organ.

Well, this dream was almost all but forgotten until a recent trip to Los Angeles when I came across a pamphlet at my hotel about a place called the "Crystal Cathedral" where they televise services. I immediately recognized it as the place I visited in my dream. Though i am in a choir i am not very religious. I only go to church to perform concerts and I never watch TV Evangelists so I have for sure never heard of or seen this place before.

I did an Internet search and found a picture of the place: (sorry not sure how to link)
http://www.lera.com/s/cp1.jpg

I wonder why I was drawn to such a place; perhaps it is my love of music and the strong emotions it can create.
BTW a friend of mine said there is a crystal city in the astral. They also said someone like Sylvia Browne mentions it. Does anyone know anything about it?

Hello,
I've been a lurker since summer but finally decided to put up a post.

I'm confused about emotion in the astral. I have read that too much of any emotion can cause the OBE to end, and that even a small thought such as "I wonder If anything bad will happen" can cause you to be pulled right back into the physical even if you didn't want to.
But many people have experienced such extreme fear that they beg for help several times before finally getting out. How come this didn't trigger an automatic reflex to be kicked back into physical?
Is this reflex something that only happens to beginners?

[We are all equal]

I dont understand why you are seperating the human race into two seperate types. We are all equal, no one has the inability to develope "sight" or insight or whatever, people just choose not to.

I have this problem regulary, i consider it a body lock out, when i try to return i just get stuck, normally i have to wait it out until i naturally wake up, but it is annoying for me as a beginner because obes are suppose to be kept short when first learning, plus there used to a certain comfort knowing that if something bad should be experineced i could just simply wake up, but i dont have that luxury, on the good side it gives me multiple obes per episode.

its strange to to try and merge back in to your body and when you get kicked back out the bedroom has completey changed, i think ive seen my kitchen in 4 diffrent decades now [|)]

i had that same problem the first few times, the astral blindness gets better with practice but im still pulling myself out rather then lifting out like most pepole.

I belive it is just general yoga for beginners, we dont focus too much on breath work or chanting, mostly just the poses

As far as leaving the house. cant do it. Made it to the ceiling once, that was the highest point, but as soon as i leave the front door my awareness drops and i enter something like a dream, meaning i walk through the door and the front yard is not there, rather a dream scape lacking the details and senses that are normally associated w/ the real time zone.

I really want to go outside, i feel constrained in my house, a wide open space would be nice to practice flying and ect...Plus there is so much furniture (much of it not there in the physical) that i hang out in the kitchen which got boring after the third time.

anyone???

Sleep paralysis is the only times when i can obe but it is a frightening state none the less

As far as OBEs being hallucinations, im still exploring that. I believe studies have been performed when individuals had their brains scanned during dreaming and hallucinating states. I believe that when hallucinating a different part of the brain "lights up" then that of dreaming (I could be wrong about this). OBEs and dreams are similar, but also keep in mind that Bruce mentioned that once could be simultaneously dreaming while obing so I guess no one can really prove anything.

This fall im schooling for a BA in fine Arts and a minor in business. Im happy and not so surprised to see a lot of art related majors out there. I guess we all have to be creative people to be open to this kinda stuff []

Ive been pondering the idea of thought forms for quite some time now, and even have been researching it. There is a few books on the subject (sorry, cant remember the titles) One involved a few famous psychics getting together, they imagined a man and made up an identity for him, they then concentrated on this identity and soon enough they could channel him and have intelligent conversations with him.

Im starting to believe that most gods/religions are thought forms. People talk about 12th planet, Aliens, Reptiles, Wiccan Gods, some even claim to channel Jesus and God and this is their evidence that they are real. I do not consider channeling real evidence anymore.

One of my goals now during OBE is to explore thought forms and sift through it, find out whats been created by humans and whats "real/original".

Ive been told that there are ways to find out if an entity is a thought form but i have found no resources on this, maybe someone knows [?]

Perhaps there was no God before Humans, and lets go really deep and suggest that perhaps we are thought forms our selves created by a bored teenager (whoa...dude, that blows my mind...) []

For some reason im always in a hurry and i didnt feel i had the time to try and fly (in tried that last time and failed) so i guess it seemed logical at that time, but it kinda seems dumb when i think of it. It sort of felt like Grandtheft auto though because it wasnt the car i normally drive and plus i was driving like a maniac []
next time i will just slow down and walk a bit instead of trying long distances

I agree with Gandalf
Even if a demon came to me in a dream and said "the darkness shall come and devour your soul in a great war" I wouldn't take it literally at all.
Many things in dreams, astral, and historical documents that deal with the future use a lot of symbols and metaphors, mostly because a person 2000 yrs ago wouldn't know how to interpret our modern world if he saw it.

Look at Nostradamus, if I remember correctly, when he predicted WW2 he described Hitler as great and terrible Monster, yep a monster, but he was only a man. He also said fire and stuff would reign down from the sky (plane bombs not demon hell fire).

Personally, im not worried about the future, if bad things happen, then so be it.

first off listen to this interview of William Buhlman  it talks a lot about children and obes.
http://www.soultravel.nu/Channel/

secondly, children will not think obes are bizzare if you treat them like a natural thing without too much meta mumbo jumbo.

Just expand off thier flying dreams, tell them they can travel to places in thier sleep.

Thanks for your tips Jeff,

your very right about eye movement, it can be a pain to control.

Good point about the sleep trigger, its usually when i give up trying to ap and go to sleep that i get vibrations, problem is when i try to reach this state on purpose it works too well and i either fall asleep or snap myself awake too quickly.

does this also include help by a guide, ive been thinking about asking a guide for help if i get stuck again but not if i cant ap for a while afterwards

Hey that was a pretty cool video, the ones they show on TV aren't even as impressive as yours (they always show the same footage on TV specials of a lady moving magnets, and only for a few seconds).

Im quite inspired now, I never had thought of trying TK but now that I see that it is easy to set up (a knife and tinfoil) I believe I will try it.

strange
I always used to and still do fantacise about this character who is like me but had talents and skills i could only dream of. Does this mean that this person, this version of me is a real thing in the astral, that it is wandering around doing things, it kinda creeps me out, but it would be intresting to summon it, what do i do, call its name?

Sounds like your really close to me

That reminds me of some exercises I have done during yoga. Our instructor told us to visualize are brain/consciousness growing out past are feet with each exhalation and then shrink to a pin point with each inhalation. It definitely gets you in the right same of mind, i now like to use the method when attempting to project.

Chances are my friend that it already exists considering that millions have not only read the books but seen the movies.

thanks for the insights everyone
I think i have a better understanding of OBES and dream, i now know what it is like to carry your ego with you and be in control.

I will take Jeffs advice and focus my awarness more. I felt rushed during the experince because i didnt want to forget it (Robert Bruce always say keep it short at first)and i wanted to hurry back to my body. Next time im going to slow down and take a better look, stare at the kitten longer or something.

Jeez Jeff, are you trying to scare us!!!

I think creations like this are really common, i just read on another board that someone was trying to create their own astral pet griffon.

I myself am currently experimenting in making my own protector (it helps distract when i feel fear). Its basically a wolf spirit based off an indian carving that hangs next to my bed. Im hoping this spirit wolf will keep negs out of my room.

I would love to meet actual book characters, it will help me write good school essays! []

Wow, this has become a very interesting topic.
I have always wondered what Monroe meant when he talked about leaving a second body. If anyone has any helpful links or insights on that subject I would like to hear it []

To add to the original post, I have had tons of these dreams, I call them "Mock OOBEs" because they result from a non lucid dream and aren't very vivid. I loose control as soon as im out, but the lifting out always feels very real like when I consciously do it, the vibrations knock many into some kind of awareness, but i never can I hold it[]