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Brim you rule.

Note: I'm no expert in projection but I'm willing to bet those were newbies like me. Did you try to talk to them? Just say, "Hey! This is Brim!" or something like that. It'll freak us out but we'll *KNOW* we were there. Then we can post and you can confirm and then there's a confirmation and everyone's happy. That kind of thing is *exactly* what you guys want with this island isn't it?

Also, if you're dealing with someone like me, I'm probably not going to be able to see you or do anything anyways 'cause I can't see Astrally yet. The best I've ever been able to do is a regular blue light/fog of varying size. So, if I move there, being able to hear comments encouragement would be great! It would be best if messages to newbs were very specific though. So we can differentiate between the voices we hear "on the threshold" and... actual... useful... feedback... (MAJOR SARCASM inherent with that comment but that's personal).  

Jason.

I think it has more to do with the chakra located above your head but I'm not sure. I have no idea what this chakra does so I don't know whether it's etheric energy we're hearing or not. All I know is it works for me for pain relief. When Birm mentioned it could be used for projection, I was like, Cool!

Heh, anyways. Good luck!

Jason.

You can actually find the "sssssssss" sound by focusing your attention at the top of your head e.g. the portion at the very top that is soft when you're a child. By focus I mean the same focus you use with your "hands" in Robert B's energy exercises.

When you focus at the top of the head and then raise your focus maybe 5 to 12 centimeters (2 to 4 inches I think), you can hear a faint hissing sound. By concentrating on that hissing sound you can make it louder.

This "SSSSSSSsss" sound when focused on for long enough (a few minutes) can cure headaches relatively quickly, and I've used it to soothe various painful areas of my body by moving the "SSSSssss" sound to that point of my body so that I can hear it emanating from there. A natural pain reliever? Donno. All I know is I haven't majorly hurt myself yet but everything up until this point, gout, aches, cuts, bruises, headaches, stomach cramps whatever has been eased for quite a while by moving this thing around. Note also: I don't think it heals anything as the pain eventually comes back, but it pretty much disappears and stays that way for quite a while.

I'm totally off topic.

My point was that you can consciously listen to your astral "ears" by focusing on a point a little ways over the top of your head. Listen for the "snake" Ssssssss sound.

Hope this helps.

Jason.

You and I are in the same boat. I feel jealous of people who get their astral sight easily 'cause I have to majorly work at mine.

Anyways, Quiet_Storm, according to Monroe tapes, no you don't need to have astral vision during meditation to leave your body. You just need to have the feeling of lifting out of your body, or spinning around in your body. This feeling of separation from your body is in fact an OBE. To be more specific: With practice you'll be able to distinguish between your energy body and your physical body. Use the NEW method initially to increase energy flow in your energy body so that when you do move your energy body, you'll know it. For instance, you should be comfortable with moving your arm up out of your physical arm. This is relatively easy to do and will give you an idea of what it feels like.

(Note: to move your arm up out of your energy arm, just imagine (I'm serious, just imagine it) you are moving your arm up without moving your physical arm. It sounds weird but it's relatively easy to do)

When you practice and practice and eventually get comfortable moving your entire body out of your physical body, if you're like me what will happen is you'll get out of the body but you won't be able to see anything. Great! You'll wonder what happened and whether you missed something somewhere.

What I do (and it's started to work) is that I start to move my imaginary arms, and my imaginary legs. Again this is easier to do if you've practiced NEW before beginning the exercise. Then you'll be more aware of your arms and legs etc. The trick is to just keep casually moving your arms and legs and fingers etc. (your imaginary/energy ones not your physical ones). Eventually what happens to me is I sort of "click" into a dream vision of the arm or leg moving. Unfortunately I haven't been able to keep the vision for very long, but this is something I've just learned to do this week.

As for the OBE:

The problem is the fact that it's so easy to do it's not funny but it's the staying out part that's a pain. Also, because you and I are not graced with astral vision as soon as we leave the body, it's kind of hard to really do anything useful because of course we can't see. In addition, once you're out of your body, if you do not have sight, you'll eventually think of your physical body and then you'll basically be back in your body again.

Again, if you feel that you've moved out of your physical body, then you've performed an OBE according to Monroe Gateway tapes. It is much easier to manipulate your energy body if you've been practicing NEW.
When you are out of your body, practice moving your arms, legs etc. and eventually your sight will "click" in (usually after your pretty bored heh).

Hope this helps,

Jason.