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I have not much to contribute to this post, only that when I'm almost falling asleep I start seeing the most weirdest thing, mostly I see a huge forest, very clear, a forest where I've never been. Then I start travelling, can better say flying, through it.. I think that's just a part of my imagination, imagination always acts up when nearly falling asleep.

Also, a deja-vu is not exactly a memory. What a deja vu exactly is is still being discussed. To people who have never heard of it before: A deja-vu is having the strong feeling you already experienced a certain event. Ironic enough I'm now having a deja-vu; I have the feeling I once wrote the very same post. Pretty weird feeling and very irritating. Scientists says a deja-vu is triggered by a memory similar to the event in question. I believe that, but I also believe a deja-vu can be related to a forgotten Precognitiondream. Perhaps I dreamt this post once, but forgat about it, which now triggers the deja-vu. ^.^

Hehe, thank you for your kind post, Kumalo, and of course you're right. I also apologize for my post to Beavis.

It is not the way of doing it that defines a skill, but the goal achieved with it. Using formula's to calculate the force on an object and the amount of energy going through a lamp in physics does not mean both are the same. The way of calculating may perhaps be the same (using formula's), but the goal itself not.

Every aspect of Psionics requires willpower, and most of the time Psi-energy. It is not a fact that energy is used in Telekinesis, it is an opinion, and that is why I will not go any further into that. I personally do not believe energy is used in Telekinesis, or not in the same was as for example Constructbuilding.

The definition of Telepathy, as I already said, is communication between minds. The definition of Telekinesis is movement of an object without physically touching it. Telepathy is done by visualization and willpower, and it also requires Linking with the person in question. Telekinesis also requires willpower and visalization, but not the same Linking as a Link between two persons. The goal of Telekinesis is moving an object, the goal of Telepathy is communication. Different goals, thus different aspects of Psionics. I'm sure you will laugh your butt off if someone would tell you: "I'm about to use Telekinesis to communicate over minds", as well as "I'm about to use Telepathy to move this book without touching it". Simply because Telepathy cannot be used for movement over distance, while Telekinesis cannot be used for communication. It is not the name that should be looked at, nor the technique, but the goal.

All Psionics subjects can be related to each other in some kind of way, but not all goals are the same, and to make things easy people have given names to the desired goals. Which is why Telepathy and Telekinesis are not the same thing. Translating Telekinesis and Telepathy will also get you very different meanings.

And now I would love to hear of all Telekinesis = Telepathy believers why they think both are the same.

I would love to add some more stuff but I really have to go.. If I remember everything I wanted to say tomorrow, then expect another post of mine. ^.^

I'm in a bad mood so forgive me, but I have to say this.

Beavis, I have yet to see your first post which is not filled with crap. I have spared you from sharp remarks from my side because I thought you were not as fluff as you appeared to be.

Telepathy = Telekinesis? Come on, do your research! Every random idiot, even the ones who do not know about Psionics, perfectly well knows that Telepathy is communication without speaking words out loudly or using handmovements or written words, which means communication between minds, and that Telekinesis is the movement of objects without physically touching it. As far as I'm aware, there still has to be discoverd an object with a mind. Both are VERY different aspects of Psionics.

My conclusion is that you can do Telepathy nor Telekinesis, or else you would have known that. I'm not saying I'm AllKnowing, but I at least did my homework. Sure you never read any book covering subject as Telepathy and Psychokinesis, have you? You probably only checked Fluffistes like Kiwarrior.


Now, as to get back to the subject. I do not believe there are two different types of Telepathy, although some say Empathy is in fact Telepathy, but focused on emotions instead of the mind. I do not fully agree with that, but the why does not matter.
You seem to forget that humans are animals too and therefore cannot make difference between 'Animaltelepathy' and 'Humantelepathy'. Telepathy with animals may be what harder because the mind of an animal is not comparable with the human's. My cat loves Telepathy and keeps reminding me of being hungry. Humans tend to Send words instead of pictures, though my cat sends pictures, pictures seen by cateyes. Very weird and funny, and I sometimes have a hard time understanding what she means. Not that I pay attention to it, most of the time she's just begging for food. I don't know if I ever managed to get my message through, my Telepathy is not that good and the question is if she will understand me if she gets message.
Because of those personal experiences I have had with my cat, I do not believe there's some special kind of way needed to communicate with animals other than humans. Though opinions still tend to differ on that one.

My sister will be pleased to hear that she's not the only one. It's called Precognition, and everyone has this in some way. Like having dreams that come true, and more like that. Deja vu's (an event were you feel it has already happened once) often are there because you already dreamt in sometime. I dreamed about an msnconversation, the next day I had the very same converstation (hilarous, really, telling the person what he wanted to say before he has the time to touch the keyboard ^.^). My sister is for some kind of reason quite good at it and is able to accuractly precog something, if she dares. She's kinda scared of it ever since she saw a friend die in her dreams, and that it came true one week later. She, basically, hates it. She tells me how horrible it is to dream an entire day at school, and then have to follow the very same classes again.
Although some say it is not possible to control the skill, it is. As far as I know it's not possible to fully control the skill - random precogs will happen anyway. But you can force it to precog something. How? I leave that up to you. Everyone uses his/her own way, and you should find out yours. I'm not able to precog something in general, I have to specifically focus on a person or event that probably will happen. Usually I ask a question without forming words, more with emotion's. Kinda hard to explain, and I don't think anyone is able to explain you how they do it.. Just try it out.

I have never been drunk and I don't plan to become it too. I don't like alcohol anyway, so fat chance you'll ever see me drunk.


Everyone is in some way empathic. Empaths are just people who strongly feel the emotions, and are often able to find out which emotions are theirs and which aren't. They have overloads and are able to exactly find out what a persons feel. Non empats do receive emotions too but will never know that the emotions they have are perhaps not theirs. I can give a simple example to back this up. I'm sure you have heard of stories of houses where someone has been murdered. Each time someone went in that house or bought the house, it felt horrible bad to them, and they often leave as soon as possible. To me there's only one way to explain this, and that are strong emotions of the murder still hanging in the air. No sane person is happy when getting killed, which is why the house feels so bad. Right? If you don't agree please do reply. ^.^

I don't know if any of you has ever visited an arena, where gladiators used to fight. I went there a couple of times and it had a very strong effect on me. I knew exactly how it used to be there, how the people acted and how the reacted.. And that all because of those emotions in the air. Happy emotions, but mostly fear, pain and excitement. My father was as affected as I was. My sister who has absolutely no empathic gift or whatsoever and is as non empath as possible just found it boring, and could not understand why my father and I loved to be there and wanted to stay as long as possible. She just thought of it as a pile of rocks. My mother on the contrary, who is also non empathic but not as 'bad' as my sister, was affected as well, although less than my father and I were. She, as a nonempath, only picked up the strongest emotions, which were in this case excitement and fear, which is not a nice combination. She wanted to leave as soon as possible, she told my father she felt weird, that she felt good but also bad and that she did not understand and wished to leave the place and get a drink somewhere.

Empathically overloading a nonempath in a psionic spar will affect him and most likely take down all his/her defenses and cautioness because of the shock of all such different and strong emotions, of which he knows are not his. Which again proves that non empaths are very well able of receiving emotions. (for the interested, empathically overloading an empath on the contrary will not work that well, because an empath knows how it feels to be overloaded and is used to having such strong emotions. Which is why I always first find out if one is an Empath or not before beginning the spar. ^.^)

Personally, I find drunk people highly annoying. They have no idea of the actions they undertake, which brings them in nasty situations, and for some reason or another I always end up being involved in those nasty situations.

Hi there. ^.^

Good to see another natural Empath around. ^.^ Empathy is not to be be called a 'power', it's a skill, that very few naturals can or can learn to appreciate. I'm very glad you seem so happy with Empathy, it's killing to see Empaths being unhappy because of their born skill. Just a note to all natural Empaths here: If you dislike it, learn to accept it. Makes matters much easier to handle, even overloads.

Lol, join the Weird Experiences Club. I've experienced such things like that too. I like to play games, I'm Nintendofan. So I have Gameboys. We went on holiday, and we stopped at a tankstation while driving our way to France. I put down my Gameboy, get myself something to eat in the shop and return. My gameboy was gone. No, it was not stolen. My sister suggested it perhaps was in my bag. We searched the bag, got all the stuff out, and my sister even pulled it literally over her head. Nowhere to be seen. I searched everywhere but it had disappeared.

A few weeks later, in France (I already bought a new gameboy with the last money I had, being sure I lost it when getting out of the car), I grab my bag to get myself a book. And what do I find, in my bag? My gameboy.

I've also had this game, Golden Sun. I absolutely love that game, and it was the only game I always had my eye on, so that I wouldn't lose it. Before going to sleep, I put the game on my desk in my room. Next day, it was gone. My sister nor my parents took it, my parents hate games and my sister hates RPGs. I even asked them, but they didn't.

That was nearly one year ago. I looked everywhere, even under the fridge. I still didn't find it.

I've got more of those stories. I lost my sunglasses once and I WILLED it to come to me. Strange enough, two seconds later I found it. Three seconds later my sister screamed she couldn't find HER sunglasses. She said she layed it on her desk five minutes ago. She never found it.

Crazy stuff. ^.^

Start out with basic Psionics. Learn basic constructprogramming, linking, perhaps a bit of Telepathy (scanning, pinging, etc), etc. You'll understand the concept of energymanipulation way better when you've done so, and you'll also understand how to use your willpower and visualization to do something. You'll understand the articles way better after that, I'm sure. Have you checked www.psipog.net yet?

Welcome to the world of seeing the what I call 'Hoppers'. ^.^ 'Hoppers' are little astral creatures, fall under the categoria 'demon', or whatever you wish to call them, and are completely harmless. They're stupid, and in my opinion extremely cute. ^.^ I never noticed a redish tail before, but they usually are so fast I barely have the time to have a good look.

However, you might want to get your eyes checked anyway, just to be sure, though I'm pretty sure you're just seeing those 'Hoppers'. Of course, I'm no doc or anything.
I btw heard a majority of people calls them 'Boo's', including guys at Veritas if that is of any importance to you. Perhaps that rings a bell. I'll just stick with 'Hoppers'. ^.^ If you want to know more about them, just check Veritas, and if I remember correctly the guy who goes by the name Vox Nocti once made a few posts about them on the old boards, I'm pretty sure he'll be able to tell you more about them.

A Psiball is not that hard to create, but some people are just having a hard time with it.

Please note that somebody once said (StormSeeker from Veritasonline) that some people can't do Psi for a reason I forgat. I am not sure if I agree with her, but she's apparently a respected Psion, so for now I'll take her words as the truth.

You could try to check www.psipog.net, they have a lot of articles about Psiballs and constructbuilding in general, you might be interested in reading it. I'm sure it will help you out.

Thank you very much for your replies, Shadowdancer.

Nagual, yes I know, but I was pointing out that it has very few to do with age.

I'm 16 years old, 17 in one month. And as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not the what we call 'dbzer'. It has nothing to do with age. I know a 18-year old guy still believing he can blow up cars. And when I say know, I mean personally know.

I used to use Napster, then WinMX, then some other thingy that didn't work well, Morpheus, then Kazaa, and Kazaa Lite, but my pc couldn't take Kazaa Lite, so then I jumped back to simply Kazaa. Though I deleted Kazaa, it started to bonk up my pc (for example, it disabled the sound, bonked up MSNplus, and more excrement like that). I'm still looking for a nice MP3downloader.

quote:Originally posted by beavis

If something is unncecessary depends on how fast I'm trying to increase my abilities. I dont think its fun to ignore faster ways to do that.

There are always at least two ways one can chose from. The first one is the easy one: easy, but the resuls won't be as good as the hard one. The hard one is hard, but, worth it.

I, and hopefully more people, am doing this for the fun. The things I practice may come in handy one time or another, but I'm mostly doing it for the fun. I absolutely love it to see how I succesfully managed to Telepathic Suggest somebody, or how my construct works perfectly as I want it to. The fun is what motivates me. The fun is why I'm doing this. There may be easier ways, but I like the way I'm taking now. I don't care if it's longer. I'm taking my time and enjoying it.

As I said, it's your life, so do whatever you want. But I hope you understand what I mean and I hope you will also experience this joy once.

You do realize that increasing abilities like that are quite dangerous and are unnecessary risks? It's your life, do whatever you want, but personally I perfer to do it the 'safe' way. And I think it's more fun to practice and see how I get better at what I'm doing each time I try. ^.^

*murmles something about quality and quantity* []

First off, good post, Shadowdancer. I am pleased to see that there are a few people here who do know about what they're talking. I am not able to discuss anything with you, for my knowledge is not as bright as yours.

Clow, go back to your kamehamehatraining.

Squeek, agreed. []

cainam_nazier, you sound like you don't really believe you are able to build constructs, do Telekinesis, etc. If you don't believe, you can't do it. Simple as that. Shields usually don't directly affect your surroundings. Shields are usually used for protections, like blocking out emotions, thoughts, vampire-attacks, or attacks in general. If you want to see any of your constructs, practice Flaring. An article on that can be found at www.psipog.net. If you want your shield to have a noticeable effect, try practising Bubble Shields. For articles on that, see www.psipog.net. Also, you could try in class or something, to create a construct next to you that broadcasts 'aaaaaaaaaaaaaah! A horrible, evillooking kamikazeguy!' or 'eviiiiiiiiil alieeeeeeeeen!'. Make sure to attach some kind of a horrible picture of a kamikazeguy or alien, and of course, attach emotions to it, like fear. You will need some Telepathic experiences for such constructs. If done succesfully, there's no living being going to sit next to you. [] Take your time for contructbuilding. Make sure to shell or seal your constructs too, or else they will disappear in no-time.
Telekinesis takes a VERY long time before having some good results, unless you're a telekinetic, which you're obviously not. One year of Telekinesis is by far not enough to get some decent results. And even if you get some results, it takes a lot of time before you will be able to fully control it.

quote:Originally posted by neo

will u shut up, i used ki to extract a evil demon from someone therefore it f**king works ok. how can u say these things about ki, u cant do it so how do u know that demons cant b taking out by ki. i hate u guys who have never done any energy but are so quick to dismiss it.[!] i feel sorry 4 all u prats out there who think like nayru[V]

I don't do Chi, that is true. But that does not mean I don't know excrement about it.

'Will you shut up?' No. And that's my bonking line. []

This post is or incredible stupid or interesting.

I keep it to both. This bovine excrement about using 'ki' against demons, bleh. But that last line is interesting: "do we all have evil in our hearts".

I've spent a lot of time thinking about that. 'Good' and 'evil' don't really exist, but for most of us here evil contains such things as murder, raping, etc. Or, that's what 'evil' contains for me.

I am, after all that thinking, positive that we all have a 'good' and a 'bad' side. When 'possesed', I am practically sure that the creature 'possesing' you is just helping you to get your 'bad side' to the surface, and push the 'good side' somewhere deep down.
Of course, there's not a big black hole between your 'good' and 'bad' side. No-one is just entirely 'good' or entirely 'evil/bad'; most people are inbetween. If you believe in Satan and God you could say that Satan all evil, and that God is all good.

I do not know much about psychologic aspects, but maybe the ones we call 'criminals', the one who rape, murder, etc etc, are just leaning too much towards their 'bad side'. It could be caused by a a lot of things, such as wrong friends in their youth, bad childhood, etc.

This is as far as I know not proven, but just a theory of mine. It goes much deeper, but I don't really think you are interested in it and I don't think I feel like writing it all down. []

www.psipog.net has some good articles about Telekinesis. []

quote:Originally posted by beavis

Most of us dont want to read that big a post. Break it up into multiple topics.

Unlike most the posts around here, this is an intelligent one. Big or not; who gives a excrement? It's interesting, and that's what counts.

I certainly did think of that possibility. But every single thing I write about demons is not information I occasionaly found on the Internet, as many others did, like those 'demonicwar'-believers. Every single line is of my own experience and I share them hoping I can help or inform people more on the subject. Whether you believe me or not is upon you; if you do not believe me, that is your own choice. I say what I think I have to say, and you may do with it whatever you want to; accept it, laugh at it, growl, shove it up your butt; honestly, I couldn't really care less. ^.^

*has nothing to say and simply hugs Kazbadan* Don't give up the fight. For it's really, really, worth fighting. You cannot except life to be all happy. A part of my life is excrement. But the other part is love and happyness. That's with everyone like that, even if a person doesn't notice. If you are only able to see the bad sides of life, you will forget about the good side, and things will seem even shittier than they already were. It's just like Empathy, really. There's a bad side, and a good side of Empathy. But the bad side can be so bad that Empaths sometimes completely forget about the good side, and start hating their Empathy, start hating themselves because of it.

Good luck and take care.

Woohoo!! Fat_Turkey, I challange you to a Magic the Gathering AND Pokémon fight! Yes, I absolutely love Trading Card Games, especially Pokemon. I don't know why, but Pokemon is so much harder than it seems. Magic is cool too but my sister is not able to play it, she says it's way too hard for her, so I stick with the Pokemon. My friends have quit playing Magic, so the only guys I can play Magic with are the ones that live abroad.. Tee-hee! My Firedeck will smash you!! [}:)][]

I have a friend that absolutely loves Warhammer, but I'm not very fond of it. I absolutely love RPG's, whether they're console-rpg's or not is to me of none importance. [8D]

Squeek, I'm throwing myself into Java - again. I felt so embarassed when I found out I forgat everything I once had learned..

Furthermore, I love music. Playing piano, listening music, creating it, singing (even if I can't sing, I love it! []), and of course I love my boyfriend. [:I]