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Well, we come to this place because cause-time-effect provide an enviorment where learning is excellerated. There is no time on the astral. Everthing happens immediately. There is no time to focus on an event, observe, analyze and consider (i.e., gain awareness of the Source/Light/G_D). We come back to fix wrongs we've done to ourselves and others.  We use the body as a tool to facilitate the correction (i.e., acts of forgiveness and compassion, etc.).  Listen to one of the dead guys who "kicked the bucket".  He says there is not time there.  We need this place to slow down the events to gain lucidity.

quote:Originally posted by beavis

Why would being in astral places similar to physical places force you to come back to physical?

When I die, I'm going to look around lazily until I decide which direction to go, but I'm sure it wont be back here.

[You have done what billions have done before you. You have merged your consciousnes with a non-physical reality far from your true spiritual home.]

Follow-up:
From Sampson:  He writes that he found an interesting web site - http://www.leslieflint.com/index.html

He's right!  It's a very interesting website.  Go to it and listen to the conversations - they have audiotapes (and read the transcripts) from the people who died and are now on the astral plane.  Then re-view my post regarding William Buhlman's observation that this is a "trap".  It's this astral address and the rationale the souls use to stay there which I'm highlighting.  Buhlman says by staying at the astral zipcodes, we're not achieving the greatness that's available to us...and that we should push deeper into the light and not settle for illusion.  To do this we need to practice AP and get reaccoustomed to our home and remember why we came here..then do it..and then when we die, by pass the astral zips and burrough deep into the Light!

quote:Originally posted by Saints

Hi,
I've been reading a lot about obe a/p etc for a long time and I've been succesful in getting out-of-body 20+ times.  In all I've collected 100+ books, publications, scholorly articles, on obe/ap. I've gotten his first book, but in his second book, William Buhlman produces information that rocked-my-stuff! On page 125, The Typical Transition..., para. #2, he states something nobody talks about..but its 'this' which is at the heart of MY pursuit into spirituality....he writes..."However, there is one very serious problem with with this comforting scenario that few are aware of and no one addresses (HE IS REFERRING TO THE ASTRAL PLANE AFTER DEATH AND THE DIFFERENT LANDSCAPES OUR MIND'S MAKE FOR THE AFTERLIFE SO WE CAN RECOVER {SEE MONROE'S REHAB STATION) FROM OUR LIFE EXPERIENCE AND THEN REINCARNATE - HE SAY'S ITS A TRAP!...TRAP!...TRAP!). I've met Mr. Buhlman twice and sat in his lectureas three times.  He young (40-50) and is very business like.  He continues...You have just accepted and adapted to a thought-conscensus environment on the astral plane. You have just accepted a reflection (As above-so-below) of spirit instead of the true essence of it.   You have done what billions have done before you.  You have merged your consciousnes with a non-physical reality far from your true spiritual home.By doing so you essentially guarantee the continuation of your form-based existence and you reincarnation. The end result is that most people accept the denser spiritual realities of the astral plane as their new home. They settle for and adapt to the physical-like areas of the astral plane because these environments are familiar and comfortable. Thus they chain themselves to the astral realm of form and substance, and the ancient cycle of rebirth is maintained and assured".  

WOW!  Its almost like evolution all over again! 1st we gain lucidity from earth/universe..now we have to gain lucidity from the astral plane in order to advance into our true spiritual form?!!
The final answer seems to be to focus on the Light...don't settle for familiar settings....push....advance deep into the Light..till you run out of steam! Go to the Light!! Bypass the familiar..go to the Light!

I know now...that we have to storm Heaven..like the salmon running up-stream..we have to attack..show intense desire..show worthyness, show lucidity, show total abadonment of ego..we have to plunge into the void (uncertanity) knowing with absolute certanity..that the end is certainly waiting for us..that toil is a necessary part of this process. Finally, from a knowing Kabbalist..."From beyond Time and through all Eternities...The Beginning..knew my Name!!! From nothing...he called me forth...for I was one of his hidden treasues...and in the End..I shall return to the Light".

Ok..I adjusted my internet security parameters and now its working.  Thanks!

quote:Originally posted by Sygmoral

quote:Originally posted by Saints

Thanks..but I my problem is this...I go to the Avatar Legend menu and scroll down to the follwing:  You haven't uploaded any Avatar yet...  
Upload your own Avatar!  When I click on it...nothing happens. The page just hangs for...ever!  I don't know where to go to upload the image I want to use.

Thank

Hi,
a pop up is supposed to come up when you hit "upload your own avatar". I suppose your computer prevents showing popups. Try holding control when you hit that link..

Sygmoral

Ok..I'll take my time and look for the right knowledge, support and environment if I want to pursue this.  My instincts are saying 'lets move on to something else'...so, I'll keep reading...Thanks

quote:Originally posted by narfellus

Saints, i have to tell you, be careful. In fact, that's probably not a good enough warning. If you want to learn more about magic read Introduction to Hermetics by Franz Bardon, then read his sequel about spirit Evocation. Contacting and manipulating spirits is NOT something you want to do unless you have an understanding of the elements, God, and the nature of the universe. Sure, you can do it without some of those things, but you run the risk of becoming nothing more than a shoddy sorcerer out for personal gain. Worst case scenario, you're going to find yourself knee-deep in lower astral entities. Magic is not a toy, it's a tool, and some tools are big and can chop your limbs off.

Trish...
Well now....that's what I'm talking about.  If you try to short-circut the process, you get chaos.  Ya gotta-go-out to the source, plant, and then trick-down energy to have durability in the effect.

quote:Originally posted by Tisha

I've effected changes in other realms that were reflected in the here-and-now when I "woke up." I did not bring back an object, but willed a change to an existing one: my cat-familiar, McKenzie.

It was almost by accident. He was old, skinny, scraggly and ill. He jumped on my bed and disturbed my deep-state. As I was coming out of it, I had a deep, deep wish for him to be young and healthy again. Amazingly, he was suddenly all poofy and fluffy and wide-eyed! I kept running my hands through his new fur, all amazed, for days.

Unfortunately for both of us, the effects did not last for long. A few days and it had all faded away, and McKenzie was his old, snaggle-toothed self again. He died a few years ago, I miss him []

Thanks..but I my problem is this...I go to the Avatar Legend menu and scroll down to the follwing:  You haven't uploaded any Avatar yet...  
Upload your own Avatar!  When I click on it...nothing happens. The page just hangs for...ever!  I don't know where to go to upload the image I want to use.

Thank

quote:Originally posted by phi

Make sure the file has .JPG or .GIF I ran into this problem too until I realized the file I was trying to upload was .JPEG Many web sites and avatar sites used that extension but it doesn't work here. Just change it to .JPG and it will upload. HTH

The inaccuracies are her assertion that physical manifestations occur at the astral level. I've read that the development of physicality actually occurs above the proto-mental level and then descends through the various astral levels to the physical.  By starting the process at the lower astral level, you don't have the input/influence from the upper levels in the final product. I never read anywhere where somebody can act as a proxy for the upper level processes.

quote:Originally posted by astralspinner

quote:I don't think this is accurate!

What do you think the inaccuracies are?
Obviously, I've not tried it myself, not having managed an OBE yet, but it seems to have worked well for the author..

quote:I would redesign my body on the astral plane into its younger age

Heh - yet another reason for people to learn AP - loose weight and vanish wrinkles!

I'll check it out.  Its seems to contain a lot of information.  I'll have to wade through it to see what it means.

Thanks!

quote:Originally posted by Jonathan

Here's a site with a some notes about the book and advice (little) on how to use it.

http://www.digital-brilliance.com/kab/abramel.htm

Hi Adept of Light, I like your explanation of the astral plane.  I was wondering if you knew of any good books or articles on the physics, substance, and essence of astral matter.  Based on my limited experiences, the astral plan is stratified and navigable by desire and focused-will. In its more solid form its-the-earth; in a lighter form its like being in a large white/gray cloud that responds to our will by shaping itself; and then in a finer level, it becomes vivid with intense colors, shapes and sounds and then there is the more subtle areas where the light is not being buffered by the stratified lower seferots and its not-really describe. I've read from Monroe and others but I've run out of material to read.  I want reading material that will give me more information on the physics of the astral plane and its origin.  I'm reading heavily on Kabbalah and I'm reading the Zohar but I find it difficult to locate physics that's operationalized for astral travelers.  I did find a real cool site by Colin Low and it helped a lot.  I was hoping you had a few leads.  Thanks

quote:Originally posted by Adept_of_Light

To understand how the Astral influences the physical we must first understand the basic co-relation between the mental, astral & physical planes. All that we manifest on the physical plane originates first in thought (mental plane). "If man can not first imagine it, he can not create it". Between the mental plane and the physical overlays the Astral plane. Accessing the Astral plane to influence the physical plane is indeed very possible, but success hardly comes as easily as the author makes it sound. It may indeed be simple or easy for the author to do, but this does not mean that it is easy for everybody else to do. Just as the marathon (42K) runner describes how simple it is to run 10K doesn't mean everybody out there will be able to do it, or if they can, likely not even half as fast/well.

First one requires the ability to enter the astral plane (not to mention the right Astral plane). Then one requires the necessary amount of energy in the astral plane, then the mental clarity within the astral plane which requires one keep a calm and non-wandering mind (this is alredy a fairly difficult task for the beginner since every wondering thought tends to manifest into something and cause distractions and reality fluctuations in the Astral plane).  Next you require the right technique to influence the physical plane.

It is not beyond the scope of even the beginner to manifest "things" in the Astral plane, but the mere manifestation of things in the Astral does not automatically also cause them to influence or appear in the physical plane - far from it.

On the other end of the scale, it is possible to manifest things in the physical from the physical, although the process does initiate first as a *highly* concentrated thought with much power and focus which accumulates huge amounts of energy in the astral plane and then out of *seemingly* thin air, the manifestation takes place in the physical. There are other methods as well which involve the teleportation of physical matter, the accumulation & transformation of pranic energy, kaballistic sacred power Words, manifestation by third party entities, channeling divine power in through chakras, converting it and forming physical matter, etc.. the methods are numerous.  The type of manifestation the author is making reference to though is a far lower form that is not as specific and which requires a much lower degree of concentration, technique & overall power... still it is hardly a task that the vast majority of beginners will have any kind of immediate success with, but do try and try and try again; without effort nothing is accomplishable - that much I guarantee.

Adept of Light

[from a projection]

Hey Astralspinner,

I don't think this is accurate!  Although, this is really a very cool idea. On a larger scale (conceptual) if I could do the transformation 'thing' I would redesign my body on the astral plane into its younger age and slip it over my declining body and rejuvinate myself. Then,I'd do the same for my wife and then I'd go into the underground market and sell my trade to those willing to pay and make a fortune!!!!

quote:Originally posted by astralspinner

There's an article on the main Pulse website about doing magic from a projection: Right here

The writer wanted a new car, so she overlaid an astral image of a new car over her current, unreliable old car. Hey presto, a new car turned up.

So it's evidently possible to do magic from a projection to make things happen in the physical. I'm just curious to know if other people use different methods to do magic from a projection, or if everyone just uses imagery?

If so, how do you choose the site to place the image? For instance, the author of that article wanted to replace her car, so she placed a new car image on her old car. If someone without a car wanted one, where would they place that image?

Trish,
Have you heard or read "The Bood of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage".  Its paperback - ISBN: 0-486-23211-5. Do you think it falls into this category?

quote:Originally posted by Tisha

I thought this might be a good place to post the WORST books on magic that we've ever read.

You've all seen it - - - you go to the local bookstore and visit the metaphysical section and you're overwhelmed by near-identical titles, misinformation, regurgitated pablum, many books by the same author that turn out to be the same book, etc. etc.

In my world, it's called witchcrap.  We could save each other time and money by posting the witchcrap here!

Beth,
I've been attending Rabbi Philip Berg's Kabbalah Centre for a few years.  I've been gaining new information about the subject and have pretty much (80-90%) agree with what I've read and been taught.  Do you have any opinions on the centre and its efforts to spread Kabbalah?  Thanks

quote]Originally posted by Beth

Even though we have our own brand of Kabbalah today, Kabbalah means simply "received tradition."  

Kabbalah has a very rich history that goes back as far as the first century with Merkabah Mysticism and extends through the Middle Ages with the development of The Tree of Life and then further forward with the science of Alchemy and the creation of the Golden Dawn.

The texts for this very broad spectrum can be found in my bibliography thread, but in brief, the ancient texts include:

The Heikhalot Literature
Sefer ha-Bahir
Sefer Yezirah
Zohar

There are, however, a great many books that help us better understand these ancient texts, books that have been written from the Medieval Period to today.  These books include many writings of Jewish Mystics through the centuries, as well as the ideas as found in writings such as those by William Blake and William Butler Yeats.  The most prolific modern scholars who have, and still are, addressing this ancient tradition (across the full spectrum) are: Gershom Scholem, Joseph Dan, and Moshe Idel. There is also a new generation of scholars developing that are keeping the torch lit in the long search within this rich and very esoteric tradition.

My concentration has been on the earliest periods of the tradition (Merkabah Mysticism) so I could certainly use some help as this tradition grew and changed throughout the centuries!!!

So, this will get us started, and I will jump in soon!

Peace,
Beth



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I've read that most of the fluid in semen is prostrate fluid - and that a research study in Australia showed that if you masterb a lot 1-2 times daily in during puberty and on-ward, you have a much lower risk of developing prostate cancer. Also, as you get into your 40-50s the level of sperm drops off dramatically and basically alls thats left is the prostate fluid.  If you don't get rid of it, you get inflamation and prostatitis and/or a swollen prostate, urinary retention and then you'll need surgery so you can peeeee and then you can cap it off with some cancer.  So u critics,...read up before you get to sanctamonious.  Mb may be the cure to prostate cancer.

quote:Originally posted by __--nezabaleta--__

I've find that masturbation is a reliable way for to settle my physical body and have success in pulling the rope at least in hte first stages of dropping brainwaves to alpha state. I reachs, too, something like a perspective sensation (seed of "mind split effect"..?). Sensation wich I assumes as indicative of detachment but I try to ignore it, for don't to lost the thread of splitting process. Anyone have similar experiencies..?

Captain..thanks for taking my call.
Its my accepted model.  I didn't invent it but I find it makes sense and I can adapt to it.  Yes...g_d wants to be revealed.  Its is the meaning! Its simple, yet complex.  The 10 sefirot (spheres) have something to emanate and the aggregating energy yields an environment for the souls to evolve. Concrete abstractions, linear paradoxes and non-temporal overlapping events are the stuff of the metaphysical Zeir Ampin (ZA). This is hardly a place to wake-up in and reveal g_d's light! Why? Because time doesn't exist for our spirits in ZA(no cause and effect action in ZA!).  Therefore, a place was needed for our consciousness to evolve-in (toil-in) to witness the effects of the process of thought, manifestation, cause and effect. It can't happen with the same certainty on the astral. The density of the astral plane at this level, makes it cause-time-effect sensitive to the senses. It's best understood within the framework of stratification.  

Please stop by and see Colin Low's web page and look for Notes on Kabbalah

quote:Originally posted by CptPicard

ohh my....... so this is your interpretation of the meaning of life? why we are all here!

Thank-you for sharing that with us.. very interesting indeed.

Sure.  They charge for tuition and books.  If you buy bookstore stuff, you have to pay.

quote:Originally posted by Moonburn33

do they ask for money?

Yes I do. Also, we have classes on different metaphysial subjects. In one class were learned how to see auras.  We dimmed the rooms overhead lights, and a volunteer stepped to the front of the room.  We focused on his forhead and within 1-minute I could see the hazy grey/white colored outline that bordered the volunteer's body - as well as the other students sitting in the front rows of the class.  Also, I saw the crown chakra on one student. It was a soft-light vilot/pink color.  It was real cool.  I enjoy the center.  

quote:Originally posted by Moonburn33

do you still go to the center?

Well Mar.., I think you're right. Time is an illusion and as we get older we see it more clearly.  I'm over 50 and I see the the duration of 1 hour much shorter than I did when I was 15 y/o.   My explanation is this..as we get older, the physical body becomes less useful to the spirit and as a result, we spend less conscious time in the physical environment (our physical body)and day dream or phase out to the a different aspect of the astral plan. Time doesn't exist the same way and there for we precieve time to speed up because on the mid-upper astral plane, time overlaps.  

quote:Originally posted by mar10fl

i am relatively new to astral projection and multi-dimensional concepts. time travel would be one of my goals later in progression not just to experience other times, but to gain a better understanding of the time-space illusion and learn how to see past it. this most likely wont be accomplished anytime soon as i have only projected few times consciously.

In my opinion, you can answer the ethical question from a spiritual perspective. As far as the creational texts say (see Genesis "In the Beginning, there was...", and The Song of Creation in the Rig-Veda)"Then was not non-existent nor existent - there was no realm of air, no sky beyond it...": In these two cases, there was nothing, then there was light.  Both, as well as others, are very powerful expressions of pre-post creation. As I stated in an earlier post, if you could reduce all the atoms in the universe to their absolute elemental stuff, all that stuff could fit into a match box.  The universe is held together by a thought.  Whatever it was that removed the darkness {with light} is extending itself outward. This is demonstrates a desire to share. To share itself.  We, as spiritual creatures, inherited its spritual DNA and, in a like manner, need to share.  So to answer your ethical question, yes you must receive the gifts of the source - because it wants to share with you, as much as your vessel (soul) can handle.  Its your job, then, to share the gifts with others.  Don't receive for yourself alone.  That's where people get into trouble (as you sow, so you shall reap).  Channel the Light to others - but in the right (giving/sharing) consciousness. I think the Light wants to give us as much as we can receive. It us who hold back with self limiting questions "should I, could I).  Get beyond the ego (earth guide only) and receive for the purposes of sharing!  This physical universe is 1% of the 100%.  Its temporary, a place to learn and evolve.  What better way to evolve than to acknowledge the Light, recive its bounty, and in a similar manner, channel the energy to others?    

quote:Originally posted by __--nezabaleta--__

Is ethical or unethical use our brain power for to study a profession and gain our lives..?

If there are persons with lower brain capability, that circunstance cannot drive myself into charge of guilty, and lead my life pathway to a poor condition, don't you..?

Then the use of my occult capabilities, is a mean of demonstrate common sense. The ethical or unethical of such a act of proper improvement of richness through remote viewing or astral travel or pendulum dowsing, can be calibrated through the ultimate consequences of such acts: "is for own vanity or hungry of money..?", or otherwise, "looking for the benefit of others..?" Only at death time one can decide if one proceed good or bad.

Robert Bruce has post yet your position about ethic (or loss of it) in the act of to watch in the private life of human beings at physical situation.

As a matter of fact, citizen life has the same quality than jungle life. There and here, the survival of the fittest, is always the main rule.

NEZabaleta

If I could advance a few months, years, etc into the future, I would want to verify it was actually happening - no hallunication. So, I would get the winning lotto numbers for a future event, play them and if I won, then I'd repeat the experiment again and again.  Once I was convinenced that it was correct, then I'd try to acquire knowledge and wisdom to help mankind elevate their consciousness.

quote:Originally posted by Stillwater

Hello...

Well, as I have heard from most channeled discussions with higher beings, it is that once you attain the level of understanding that would place your existence above the level of the astral and mental planes, then it is that you literally exist in the moment, in that you experience every spatial and temporal reference as being simaltaneously experienced, and so thus, the idea of time would hold no merit for you, as every type of perspective, past, present or future would be felt all at once.

If the only way in which one gains access to this state of being is development, and if in attaining it you have so proven your growth, then I don't think at that level the beings present would really desire to use the ability to project into the past or future of our world, as such trifling mis-uses would probably be missing the point so to speak.

If there were to be a case that would merit the use of such methods, it would seem to me that it would be a most high and dire matter indeed.

To what end did you wish to apply time travel, mar10fl, G3MM4, and Saints?

Thank you,
Stillwater  

Hmmmm, I must of missed that discussion.  What ideas were discussed?

quote:Originally posted by flake

well, it seems as if though saints was a guy that everybody had the wrong idea about in this topic...

Actually, it never occurred to me that you were joking around. If your intent was sarcasm, it didn't register.  No apologies needed.

Re this flakie topic, I have attended lectures from William Buhlman a couple times through the Learning Annex.  He is from Michigan. He is able to upgrade to full-consciousness obe from a dream.  I was only successful doing this as a kid.  His tapes, books and class notes didn't work for me.  Although he is an impressive speaker and has a excellent grasp of the physics.  Fortunately, I'm currently living in LA and have a lot of access to metaphysical organizations and I take full-advantage of them by attending lectures and workshops and spiritual programs.  A few years ago while vacationing on the Big Island in Hawaii, I was able to upgrade a lucid dream into an obe.  Check Stephen LeBerge's Lucidity Institute (PS: his masks didn't work for me) using the Big Island as a retreat site.  My upgraded dream is a great story but it underscores my point that the unconscious mind doesn't know fact from fiction and will try to make sense of any stimuli it feels.  This is why I think the conscious exit is the gold standard and to grail we should be striving for.

quote:Originally posted by Irreal

quote:The thing I'm writing about isn't about tricks. Yes the clock turns, the digital display progresses to the next number..the headlines say the same thing when focusing on other things. See above note

I'm ever so sorry for adressing you in this childish manner! Please, accept my apoligies. It's just that I'm impressed, really impressed.

What I meant by 'tricks' was the notion that while lucid 'dreaming' some things just don't work(or seldom), like clocks, stable texts. You know about that I think.. have a nice day.

That's pretty consistent with my thinking. We're of the earth, but not from the earth. The place were from doesn't have cause and effect. It overlaps on itself. There is no beginning or end. No time. If we try to use our linear thinking, our thoughts collapse on themselves because our vocabulary and earth experiences have no words or concepts for the paradoxical environment.  I like to use kabalistic models as a baseline for some of my thinking which included reincarnation, pre-incarnation planning, and many other features.  I don't follow any religious organizations, but I think there is good truth in all of them. Kaballah isn't a religion but a physics model of cosmological process.  All cultures have their own interpretations of metaphysics.  Right now, I'm building my own using my personal obe experience and those experiences of others, as well as the kabalistic model.  Time is the difference between cause and effect.  Its something that is unique to the observer and varies between observers and allows the observer the opportunity to comprehend what he/she did and build on the experience thereby revealing g_d.  I believe g_d wants to be revealed and g_d shared itself with us for the purpose of sharing; receiving; and restricting (energy/emotional reaction).  This universe is the only known dimension where astral matter is dense enough to allow the observer to exercise their innate desire to share, to receive and to balance (i.e., restrict) energy and thereby, gaining lucidity of g_d and becoming closer to the source. Speaking of religious organizations, I've read (but haven't tried it yet) that when you are AP-ing, you can change your mental focus to a different bandwidth of the astral plane.  This place the astral matter is white, like large cotton balls or cumulous clouds.  In this environment, you can create objects using your thoughts. For example-you can look at the white material, focus on creating an object – say a telephone pole – and the astral matter will form the telephone pole.  You can stretch the pole to any length you want or shrink it.  The astral material is very plastic, it lacks the density of earth's astral material.  By comparison, mid to upper astral matter is very very subtle and easily manipulated by thoughts (astral stuff is stratified). After creating the object, you can tell the astral matter to hold the object in a fixed position - and - it'll keep that shape.  If you relax your concentration, the object will shift (entropy) into its original form.  So this is an example of mind over matter.  The fuel is desire.  Your mind can organize the atomic structure of the astral matter.  Your mind will create the object, you tell it to hold its shape, and as a result, you'll have an astral object.  Contrast and compare....Ok...now...descend back into the denser astral matter called our universe or Earth.  Shift your focus, using a radio dial as the model - from right(upper astral) to left (lower astral-earth).  In Jesus' early years – as a child – he was helping Joseph, his carpenter father, build some type of wooden object.  The story goes...Joseph cut a piece of wood to short.  As he went to get another piece, Jesus intervened by taking the over-cut wood and stretched the wood to the required length - just as we did in the above telephone pole example.  We can easily do it on the astral plane...and with practice, I think we can do it on earth as well.

quote:Originally posted by G3MM4

Thinking along these lines... I believe that there is one place where time doesn't have an effect... the Afterlife, or Heaven or whatever people like to call it. I've read several books written by people who have died and then came back, they all confirm this.

Having said that, my Mum went back into time in one of her OOBEs.

Oh, I see what you mean.  Well, everything physical happens metaphysicall first.  The ole top-down process.  If you see a weather report, you know when it'll rain, snow, etc....before it actually does.  From this perspective, if you can position yourself correctly, I suppose you can see what's coming - which would be time travel. Hope you're successful.  Maybe you can get the lotto numbers!

quote:Originally posted by mar10fl

it still takes time to project somewhere. whether it is at the speed of light or whatever, you cannot skip moments in the physical or astral.

You can reduce the amount of time it takes to travel from earth to the moon by APing. You travel at thought speed. Why wouldn't this qualify as time-travel?  After separating..you need a target and desire, focus and boom...you are there!  Its an example of man's dominion over the universe. BTW: ever wonder where slogans, adages and old-sayings got thier start? How about.." I was so scared, I was jumped out of my skin"; or how about.."I was so upset I was beside myself"; or "I was so angry I was seeing double".  I think their origins were in APing!  

quote:Originally posted by mar10fl

alright i know this subject is very clouded but from what i know, there could only be one way to travel in time. ahem. as you go into higher dimensions, time begins to flatten out. for instance, 5 min physical could be 60 min astral. and even longer in a higher dimension etc. but i believe in all of these dimensions, there exists past present and future because time still progresses along (perhaps slower but still moves). now in the highest dimension, the 'all-one' i believe to be infinite in terms of time-space. it is both virtually nonexistent and infinitely existent at the same time. all past present and future exists as one moment. The only way i can see time travel being possible is projecting yourself into this all-one plane. or maybe not projecting into it, but your higher self (the one that exists in this dimension) guides you. This would be the only way to break the barrier of time because all time is in one moment and theoretically any moment in time could be accessed. I would like to hear some other people speak of this and share your theories/correct mine.
ive spent many hours pondering this and this seems to be the only rational way to accomplish it.

Yes...you can find him at http://www.iipc.org/.  He has an amazing worldwide org.  Very cool educators. I took classes from Nancy and Wager, Louis and Dr. V.  Interesting story...Nancy met Wagner as students of Dr. V. in Brazil (he's Portaguese).  They were APers and took his classes for personal advancement.  They fell in love and got married.  Nancy got pregnant.  Wager told the class that one day, while he was obeing, he saw a light and it was the consciousness that was going to descend into the baby after it was born. It was in the bedroom near Nancy. As the pregancy evolved the consciousness and Wagner became more friendly and Wagner said he, and the consciousess, would have a real good understanding of-each-other after the birth occured.  As the 3rd trimester concluded, the consciouness got closer to the fetus but didn't enter it until several days after the birth. This, according to Wagner is typical. The consciousness does not decend into the fetus. It enters when it knows the fetus is approprite to fulfill the plan the consciousness has for this incarnation. It was the first time I ever heard of such a thing....but it was a great lead into that evening's subjct on reincarnation.  As you will see, Dr. V has his own vocabulary as does B.Monroe, Buhlman, and Bruce.  He uses soma for body, thosenes as a construct word for thoughts-sentiments-and emotions.  Its a very cool program and his diary on his obe's is a facinating read.  He actually interacted with with a higher being that was so advanced that he (after 30 years of obeing) was reduced to tears after returning to the physical.  Personally, I really want to get closer to the Source.  I know this obe knowledge will help.

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Saints, I did a search for Dr. Waldo Vera and google comes up empty, do you have any links on this guy?