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Hey Gandalf,

I just don't understand why you did not want to stay there and finish your exploration?  []

Seriously, when you use the term phasing, is your personal experience of that different from OBE/AP in a similar fashion to how Bruce Moen explores the afterlife (based more on impressions as opposed to full 3-D first person perspective)?

Anyway, cool story...I hope you decide to post more of your phasing experiences.  Thank you.  

--Soulfire

quote:Originally posted by Neo Schiavo

Thanks, that really helped!

BTW, what is this Focus 10 and Focus 21 I've been hearing about?  Is it the same thing as those Hemi-Syncs?

Hi,

Robert Monroe uses a "focus <number>" terminology to specify which aspect of reality your awareness is focused on.  For instance, focus 10 in his terminology is the "body asleep, mind awake" state of consciousness.  These are just labels he uses to describe different states of consciousness and the areas of the non-physical he believes are perceived more easily from within those states.  I believe focus 21 is called "other energy systems", but I do not understand exactly what he means by that to be honest.

--Soulfire

[Tootie Gizzardchunks]

I am not sure I like being Tootie Gizzardchunks.  Thank God I did not have to go through school with that name...  

--Soulfire

Hi,

Everything is "real".  If you have a dream that you have a huge fight with someone you love, it is a perception of something very real.  The fight itself may not come to pass in physical "reality", but the fight represents one or more real beliefs in your mind that are having a definate "real" effect on your life.  Even having a "real" fight is no different.  The fight itself is just a reflection of beliefs held by each involved person.  For that fight (real or dream) to actually become meaningful, you have to be willing to look honestly and deeply inside yourself to see the "real value".

Maybe it would be more accurate to say that everything we perceive is a reflection of something real.  It is up to us to find the "reality" that our perceptions represent.

--Soulfire

quote:I think that this is the exact opposite in the New Age movement, especially those just starting out on their path seeking spiritual answers etc. Rather than believing non-physical beings may be "dangerous" as you put it, there is the tendency to believe anything any non-physical being says.

*note: The pendulum is a great tool for divination etc but associating its movement to an "outside of oneself" entity rather than to your subconscious or a higher part of yourself is a dangerous practice.

There are people who can fall into this "believing everything that is said", but this is not strictly a spiritual problem.  There are at least as many people who blindly accept what they see in the media and what their governments tell them, etc.  I don't know that the "damage" done to people who don't think for themselves by other humans is any less?

I don't think you can ever stress too much the importance of thinking for yourself, checking what you hear (from any source) with your intuition and innate senst of truth, using common sense, and making your own decisions.  

As for attributing the pendulum's movements with an "outside source" being dangerous, I can only say that I do not believe there is any such thing as an "outside source".  We as humans often perceive ourselves as a "closed system" with everything that is "us" here inside the box and everything that is "not us" there outside the box.  Once you begin to believe there really is no box, that we are part of everything and everything is part of us, you start to wonder how much sense it makes to feel like you always need to defend yourself against everything outside the (imaginary) box.

There are many people who stop believing in the box, and who lead safe, fulfilling, joyous lives and make little effort to protect themselves beyond using their intuition and common sense.  So there is proof that this approach to life can work for some people at least.  There are also many people who have much less "peaceful" experiences of life who can prove any number of ways that the physical and spiritual worlds are "dangerous" places.  What is interesting is that each type of person lives in a world that reflects their own beliefs, and each kind of person has "undisputable proof" based on their own experiences that their philosophy is "right".  It's worth thinking about...

--Soulfire

Hi again,

I'm sorry.  I was just trying to make 2 points:

1) Almost any "technique" of imagining the transfer or energy will actually move energy to the same degree you deeply believe it will work.

2) Is is wise to ask for energy and gratefully receive what is freely given rather than trying to "take" it.  

--Soulfire

quote:Originally posted by WhiteLight

Tell me...would you be so willing to step into a physical alien spacecraft on trust alone? And in a more down to Earth sense, would you be willing to leave you front door open and let any stranger in off the street?

I would not do anything by "trust alone" unless my personal experience made me feel that level of trust was valid.  I will always try to offer anyone "enough" trust to give them a "fair chance" and try to be as objective as possible when dealing with them.  I say "try" because sometimes I still don't succeed as well as I would like.  I also believe that there is nothing wrong with a healthy level of caution and common sense.  

In MY perception however, many people live very fearfully and perceive or excuse that fear as "healty" caution.  For example, I feel that my country (the USA) attacking Iraq was a fear based action that caused more long-term harm than good, even though many people sincerely believed it was just an unfortunate, but nontheless "healthy" necessity.  I perceive many of the comments directed towards the Channelers and Zeta here similarly.  I also admit these are only my opinions and do not claim to necessarily be "right".

For me it is a simple choice: How do I feel when I am doing something, why am I doing it?  If I do something (say writing a post here) with minimal self-interest, and feel a sincere sense of love and contribution when I am writing it, I feel it is "right" for me to do so.  If on the other hand I feel angry, frustrated, a sadistic sense of "pleasure" when I am doing it, or realize my primary motive is to appear smart or wise, etc. - then I try to realize honestly what is happening inside me and just stop and let it go.  I then ask myself WHY I was feeling that way, what belief(s) do I have that make part of me want to do this when I now see that it was not as constructive or loving as I would like to be?

I find myself making these mistakes A LOT!  I used to kind of beat myself up when I did and feel like a "bad person".  Now I realize it is just a golden opportunity grow and make better, more conscious decisions.  

The guides that I became conscious of as a result of working with Mayatnik and Edi helped me learn all this, or at least to become much more conscious of it.  Before that I would catch myself doing something less than ideal, then think "oh that sucks I don't want to be like that", and then quit trying to look at it most of the time because it made me feel lousy.  Rarely if ever would I recognized or address the deeper issues (usually simple false beliefs) that were causing the problem.  This is one small concrete example of how my own personal experience with this group has helped me in a meaningful way.  Everyone has different lessons and needs, and this has simply been one of mine.

I am not trying to say that this will be the right way for everyone, because in my opinion that is simply unrealistic.  I am saying that I personally found something beautiful and valuable by working with them, and that I am very thankful for their help and friendship.  

--Soulfire

There are probably as many "techniques" to draw energy as there are people.  Energy follows the imagination to the extent that you believe it will, it is that simple.  Any imaginary technique that makes sense to you that represents moving energy will do so to the extent that you believe it will, and are not blocked by conscious or unconscious beliefs that it won't work.

The other limitation is that you can never override the free will of any other consciousness unless some level of that consciousness allows you to do it.  Thus you cannot "steal" evergy from something unless on some level that consciousness and yours make a karmic agreement to share an experience of unfair explotation which will serve as a lesson to both parties and for which both parties hold themselves accountable.  Note that you do not need to be consciously aware of these agreements for them to exist.

--Soulfire

Sometimes focusing too much on details from the past can make it more difficult to focus on what is really important: the present.

If you are looking for direction and want to make sure your actions in the present are healthy, just ask yourself simple questions as you are thinking about or taking action:

1) Why exactly do I want to do this, what am I hoping will happen and exactly how is that benefitting me and others.  What are my true motives?

2) How would/does this action make me feel?  Do I feel love and joy, or do I feel sadistic pleasure, fear, anger, etc.  What you are feeling accurately reflects the energy you are channelling as you do something.  As an example, if you have ever enjoyed doing something unkind or watching something unpleasant happening to somebody else (like wathching a typical reality TV show for example), think back to exactly how that experience really felt.  How did that "pleasure" feel different than when you did something nice for someone you love?

If your motives are not primarily loving and/or if that energy you feel thinking about or doing something is not joy or love, then you can usually find a better course of action if you are willing to be deeply honest with yourself.  It's no crime to realize you are doing something less than ideal, but rather a blessed opportunity to consciously make a better choice.  

My feeling is that a huge part of the useful meaning of your dream/vision is simply to make you aware of your previous path, and perhaps allow you to decide now if that path was really making you happy on the deeper levels of your being?  Maybe you are at a crossroads right now, and you have a prime opportunity to decide between two very different paths?  I wish you the very best as you make that decision...  

--Soulfire

quote:Originally posted by WhiteLight


Seriously though, I feel things like this have been going around for a long time and they lack any real crediblity because there is no proof; proof is not offered and the request for proof is frowned upon.

What I am trying to say to some of you guys, demand proof from spirit, they won't mind and in fact they will welcome it if they are of the light and working for God. Do not be afraid to ask awkward questions - ask them.

I think anybody who has consciously experienced non-physical beings feels like we have our own "proof", but what works fine as our own personal proof is not anybody else's proof.  I don't feel anybody was "frowning upon" anybody's need for proof, but rather that one person cannot necessarily "give" another person "proof" - often we must find our own proof.

For me, as I spent time with the pendulum and then later the guides and Zeta, I have had many "A-ha" moments where I realized exactly what was happening and why, and it all suddenly made sense on many levels I did not previously understand.  I think a relationship with spiritual entities is just like a relationship with a physical entity.  You start off with enough trust to be willing to allow the experience to happen, letting go of your fears as much as you can, but being careful to use common sense and follow your own sense of "rightness".  Then, as you spend time and "get to know" these spiritual beings, the depth of the relationship grows and you adjust your levels of trust according to what you are comfortable with.  Just like any other relationship you've ever had.

Maybe I am wrong, but I strongly suspect that all this "proof" you speak of would mean much less to anybody else than it does to you personally.  I doubt your proof would be my proof for instance.  I would also suspect that if you had not taken any steps of your own because you had at least enough faith to take some initial steps, that you would not have any of the "proof" you do now.

For me, it helps a lot if I quit thinking of these beings as "aliens".  That word (to me) has a lot of negative connotations (language and conditioning are very powerful).  I just think of them as spiritual beings (as we ALL are).  "Aliens" is just a label, and the conditioning of our culture has warped the perception of that label so that it barely resembles the reality behind what it refers to.

I think we have a tendency to believe non-physical beings are so completely different (and thus of course much more dangerous) than ourselves, because we have simply forgotten that we are also non-physical multi-dimensional beings ourselves...with only a small fraction of our experience being rooted in what we now perceive as the physical.  You can use the same common sense to meet and become friends with a non-physical being as you would doing the same with any human being.  In fact, each of us is already in contact with spiritual beings almost constantly without being consciously aware of it.  The only difference is whether or not we choose to expand our awareness enough to become conscious of what is already happening.  

--Soulfire

[I think we should simply ask ourselves, is anyone really deriving any benefit from all this?]

All this energy is spent trying to find fault, to blame, and to "prove" someone else is "wrong" and/or I am "right".

Never in my life have I ever accomplished anything of "value" during my own attempts to judge.  I have hurt others and myself, I have created feelings of self righteousness and self guilt, I have temporarily diverted my attention away from my own lessons and thereby distracted myself from working through them and delayed making any real progress.

I think we should simply ask ourselves, is anyone really deriving any benefit from all this?  Then decide for yourself if our time and energy is well spent in this direction...

--Soulfire

quote:Originally posted by MJ-12

One thing's for sure, his true colours sure came out. Show him the slightest bit of backbone or skepticism and out comes the fanatical defense of his absolutist beliefs.

To the best of my knowledge, it was never the "questioning" that bothered any of these people.  It was the oftentimes snide, cynical, and sometimes outright hostile way many (not all) of these "questions" were delivered.  If you look back over the content of many of these posts objectively, it's difficult to ignore the fact that the valid points contained in them could have frequently been expressed just as truthfully in much more kind and respectful ways than they often were.

Maybe you could argue they "should" have been above having their feelings hurt by posts that were expressed in a more aggressive or even hostile manner.  A lot of times in life I wish I was above having my feelings hurt too, but it doesn't always work that way for me, especially when my energy is low.

Personally I am sad to see them go, but I can also understand wanting to find a place to work with a little less hostility (not less questions).  Above all I am thankful for having gotten to know them and I enjoyed their work while it was available.  In this world, everything passes eventually...

--Soulfire

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

10 days since the last channelling, 10 days! [xx(] Enough to make a man go loopy waiting. []

I don't think Edi plans to continue posting here.  The last I spoke with him a little over a week ago, he said that he was done working here.  When I asked why, he said that some of his recent posts would explain why he was tired of working here on AP.

--Soulfire

Hi again,

I have had many spontaneous projections over the years, several conscious exit ones, and lots of lucid dreams.  For a while (about a year ago), I was able to project semi-consistently at will (7-10 attempt would produce maybe one success on average).  Then I hit a "dry spell" and went several months with NO successes at all, and then I got discouraged and stopped working on it for a while.  I had many other things happening in my life and switched my focus to those things.  I have not had any astral experiences that I consciously remember for several months (although I have had quite a few lucid dreams during this time), and no conscious exit projections for about a year.

I certainly do not consider myself any kind of authority, but I do feel I have experienced enough to form some reasonable conclusions based on my own experiences.  I also try hard to remember that my beliefs and interpretations are not necessarily "right", and that there is always room to discover new levels of understanding that sometimes make what you used to believe seem quite ignorant.

--Soulfire

Hi,

Keep in mind that the astral is a subjective experience, and that the imagery you "see" has a lot to do with the projector's belief system.  If Robert or another projector saw people "in their graves waiting to be released by a trumpet" or something, it does not necessarily mean that is literally what is happening.  Even if it was a precisely accurate observation of what was happening where he was, seeing something like this only means those particular lifeforms are experiencing this "event" - not necessarily that it is a universal truth that we all will experience that.

In my experience, the astral is tremendously affected by what the involved entities believe (it is very subjective).  One explanation given by Robert Monroe is that after death, many people tend to create their own realities based on what they believed/expected to happen after they died.  In this case, maybe a group of beings who strongly believed those passages you described, and because of that created a "reality" for themselves in the astral among other people with similar beliefs.  

Because so many experienced projectors have come across areas resembling the afterlives described in many different religions (when most religions claim that only their particular version of the afterlife is true), Robert Monroe categorized all of these areas collectively into what he called the "belief system terriroties" (which he also has a focus-number name for but I forget which number he assigns to it).  The theory is that people with strong structured beliefs about the afterlife tend to attract themselves to others in the astral with similar beliefs and collectively create that shared reality together.  To them it is very real, but just because an area like the Christian heaven exists in the astral, does not necessarily mean other religions are "wrong", because different areas also exist that resemble the afterlife as explained by each of the other religions (for example the one described in this thread).

It is interesting to note that even within any given religion, there are often different views as to what happens in the afterlife.  For example some Christians believe that after you die, you quickly face judgement and then go to heaven or hell, etc.  Other Christian believe you stay dead in a grave until the second coming of Jesus who then resurrects the chosen and everyone else just stays dead.  One guy I read about claimed to have witnessed different groups of people in the astral living out several of these different realities!  One group of "christians" was living in "heaven", another group was in "hell", and another group were in an endless graveyard with caretakers who told him everyone had to wait for the return of Jesus and resurrection (while other christians were already enjoying heaven NOW!).

I do not claim to know what the "truth" is, but so far Monroe's theory seems to make sense in my own limited experience.

Note: I do not remember the specific section you are talking about in Robert's book, so I am responding to what I understood based strictly on the contents of your post.  If I got off track, maybe I did not fully understand what you were trying to say.

--Soulfire

[Now regardless of whether you agree with me or not about the nature of so-called evil, here is what I ask you to consider:]

I know this is not going to be a real popular opinion on this site, but I don't believe "evil" exists.  When I was younger, I believed in it (that's how I was raised).  I even saw demons a few times during spontaneous astral projections and had many experiences I could only describe as being encounters with "pure evil".  Now this probably has readers saying, well that is really DUMB Soulfire if you have SEEN and experienced evil and demons yourself, and yet you say you don't believe in them?

Well let me point out that back when I saw and experienced these thigns, I DID believe in evil...very strongly in fact.  As my beliefs changed, and I started understanding why "people" sometimes do things that we often LABEL as evil actions...I slowly began to change my beliefs (this happened progressively over many years).  I now believe that our beliefs create our experience, including the existance of good and evil.  If we believe anything exists, then it will exist in our experience.

Now regardless of whether you agree with me or not about the nature of so-called evil, here is what I ask you to consider:

When I stopped believing in evil, I also stopped seeing and experiencing evil.  I (slowly) began to stop seeing "Demons" and really creepy things that used to happen in my life (and dreams).  I also stopped having extended feelings of depression and other unexplained intense negative emotions that I always used to believe were "neg attacks" directed against me.  I know other people who have stopped believing in evil who report similar experiences as their beliefs change.  Maybe it is worth considering the possibility that when we experience these types of "evil" manifestations, that it is actually just our belief in evil that is actually creating them.  All I can say for sure is that my own personal daily experience of life has become a lot more beautiful since I stopped believing in evil.  Maybe yours would too?

--Soulfire

I am no medical or energy development expert, but I believe I do know this much:

There are thousands and thousands of different medical causes of what we lump together and label a "common cold".  There are probably just as many different variations of energy blockages.

I know there is a section in Robert Bruce's NEW system that gives a technique he claims can usually ward off a cold if done in the early stages of feeling sick.

Sorry I could not be more help.  

--Soulfire

Well I certainly agree with the nature of the messages you have shared with us.  Cool name by the way.  

--Soulfire

quote:Originally posted by Michael_E

3)"Telepathic (mind-to-mind) communication is not only possible, but it is an observable reality. Every dog can do it - just ask an intelligent and observable dog owner. I try to practice telepathy at every opportunity and I find it very inspiring.

However, telepathically received information is not necessarily better than any other. Just as any medium of communication - it can be misused to push propaganda and misinformation.

Individuals who use "mediumships" are quite primitive in the scale of the Universe. They can only impress total ignorants, like some of us on Earth.

Truly evolved entities (including our own Higher Selves) find more intelligent ways to communicate. Their messages do not negate Observable Reality in any way, are not self-contradicting, and do not interfere with our Freedom of Choice and Freedom of Thought in any way. If you use these criteria, you will be able to distinguish the diamond in the pile of clutter. "[Tom Chalko]

The following is based on my personal experiences in the Zeta/telepathy project and is a combination of my own perceptions and information that my guide felt was relevant:

Every human being uses telepathy every single day of their lives, hundreds or even thousands of times a day.  Every time you think of somebody (consciously or unconsciously), you are sending and receiving telepathic communications from them.  "Telepathy" is not this huge mystical ability that only special people can "achieve".  We ALL have it.  The only question is whether any given person's belief system allows them to CONSCIOUSLY perceive what is communicated, and to what extent that person's belief systems blocks or scrambles what they have received during and after the information has entered their conscious minds here on Earth.

Once you understand that telepathy is just as natural a communication process as talking and listening verbally, it becomes obvious that telepathically received information is not necessarily any "better" than information received through reading or talking.  Just like a book or regular conversation, the QUALITY depends on how much the author/speaker knows, how well they are able to articulate it, and the listening skills of the recipient.  

For example: If you are a racially predjudiced person, and you read a book about Martin Luther King, and then tell your best friend about that book...odds are EXTREMEMLY high that your description of that book will be very different from a non-racially predjudiced person describing that exact same book to their friend.  The same thing happens with telepathy.  It's just another form of normal communication, with it's own advantages and disadvantages.  

Furthermore, the accuracy each of these people may demonstrate while transmitting the information in the Book about Martin Luther King will not necessarily reflect the accuracy they would demonstrate when transmitting information about quantum physics or child psychology.  The tendency we have when we hear information that originates from non-physical sources is that it must either be 100% perfect or it is all a hoax or "dangerous lies" perpetrated by "negs".  The truth is that "errors" can come through for a variety of reasons.  Usually when this happens, the receiver's belief system cannot accept a specific piece of information without altering it somehow.  Often this happens unconsciously on the part of the receiver and they are not even aware they are doing this.  Sometimes these "inaccuracies" are a result of how the same general idea/event can be perceived differently by the entity sending the information (just like two people on earth can see the same event and describe it differently).  For any of you who have travelled astrally, you will know that there are often "reality fluctuations" where events you perceive do not match 100% the same events perceived from the physical, even though most of the information does match.  Now imagine that you (taking the role of the non-physical being trying to share this information with a human) described those experiences to a friend (the channeller or telepathic human) and they in turn write this down or tell someone else about it.  When this happens, it does not necessarily mean your entire astral experience and everything you have ever said your entire life is worthless or that you are a "neg" because you "lie" to people.  Neither does it mean that your friend who tries to faithfully relate your experiences to others is a fraud, liar, or idiot.  You have to remember that non-physical entities are not perfect and neither are the people who consciously communicate with them.  Just use your common sense and innate sense of truth...treat what they say the same way as you would treat what anybody else sais.  Take and be thankful for anyting of value and let the rest go without judging them.

Thoughts and ideas are literally living energetic entities with their own sentience that flows into and out of "you" much like oxygen when you take a breath.  For a while they merge with you, just like the oxygen you breath, and when they have served their purpose they are released and continue to exist outside of you.

Any talking about some form of communication being "primitive" is meaningless.  A megaphone is "primitive" compared to a digital wireless phone, but if you are trying to talk to someone who is in an area with no wireless communication coverage or who doesn't have their wireless phone with them, it is still a viable communication option.  At the time mediumship and channelling were so popular, it was because that was a form of communication that worked with the combined abilities of the speakers and listeners in the operational conditions prevailing at that time.  The value of the information is not dictated by the form of communication that was used to deliver it.  A book is primitive too, but that has little to do with the value of its content.

In short, it is not the manner in which the communication is received that determines its quality.  It is the quality of the sender and how badly blocked and distorted that information is by the belief systems of the receiver.

--Soulfire

[So here is a question worth considering:]

Hi,

I cannot believe how emotionally charged this whole issue is?  I've been semi-involved in this project, and even did one Zeta session with Edi.  I am more interested in simple personal development than the Zeta to be honest, but everything that has happened with me since I started working with Mayatnik and Edi has been very positive.  The information I have received has always been very gentle, and helped me become more aware of some of the ways I could be more kind and understanding of myself and others.

Mayatnik and Edi's work has been going on here for many months.  So here is a question worth considering:  If their practices are so "dangerous" and the entities we are communicating with are supposed to be these dark negs, where has any "neg-like" harm been done to anybody?  To the best of my knowledge, everyone who has chosen to participate has had nothing but positive things to say about the beings we have worked with?  The only harm, negative emotions, hurt feelings, or anger I have seen any indication of have come as a result of people's feelings being hurt by what is said on this forum?  If these beings were really negs, would it not be at least extremely LIKELY that SOMEBODY among us who have chosen to work with them would have had SOMETHING unpleasant happen after all this time communicating with them beyond maybe having hurt feelings as a result of something said on this forum?  

I'm not saying we should stop being careful, but I am saying that maybe all these dire warnings and fear are perhaps overdoing it a bit given that after about a year or so of quite a lot of people participating that nobody who has participated has reported ANY negative effects reminiscent of neg-like behavior whatsoever?

All I know for sure is that my personal experience with this project has been one of the most positive things I have ever experienced in my life.  We are all entitled to our own beliefs and opinions, but I do not see where any of this fighting and strong negativity I feel from some of these posts, or the hurt feelings arising from them is helping ANYBODY.  I also do not see where any harm has been done by these supposed "negs" apart from what we (the humans) have caused by fighting amongst ourselves?  

My approach to guides, Zeta, etc?  Listen to them like you would say a college professor or, once you feel you have gotten to know them well enough, a good friend.  If what they say is helpful and feels right, then listen and be thankful but still make your own decisions using common sense.  If something they say doesn't seem helpful or feel right for you, then know they aren't perfect either and make your own decisions based on what you feel is right just like you would when talking to anyone else?

It's something to think about...

--Soulfire

That depends.  How EXACTLY do you define being a Christian in your mind?  Once you clearly define for yourself what YOU believe being a Christian means, then you will have answered your own question much more accurately than any of us ever could.  

--Soulfire

quote:Originally posted by Ybom

I've been toiling for approximately 3 hours how to properly post a reply to this topic! There is so much oversimplification going on with the world peace issue, but I admit that it is a project worth persuing.

My attempt here is born of the philosophy that any positive step, however small, is better than nothing.  

quote:Originally posted by Ybom

Is there a possibility, that with the stagnance of peace (the concept that with peace that we will lose our will and knowledge as to how to properly defend ourselves given a new emergency), that we can still know how to deal with those things that come our way that drastically changes all of our lives?

Anything is possible.  I have rather radical beliefs about how "reality" works that most people do not share, but according to MY beliefs there is never any need for non-peaceful actions unless we create that need from the violence we carry within ourselves.  Even then, I think there is always a non-violent solution unless our beliefs prevent us from seeing peaceful solutions or prevent them from working.

quote:Originally posted by Ybom

As for the concept to help others, I think a better way to reach this goal is to teach them how to help themselves. "Give a person a loaf of bread and you feed that person for a day. Teach the person how to make  bread and you feed that person for life." Which we would need to incorporate how to teach people to understand and accept others. Do this to 6 billion people and you have world peace. Teach others how to share resources with others and no one goes hungry. Teach people how to use what resources they have to its maximum potential and you have growth. Now, to properly do all of these, we will need to develop a system that handles these issues, better than any group or political body out there today. Would anyone have an idea where to find or how to develop a system like this?

There is always a better way, and some of the things you describe here could very well all be better ways.  Again, my intention here was just to take a small step in the right direction.  I know in my personal life, it makes a HUGE difference if I spend a small amount of time EVERY DAY day focusing on something empowering.  It keeps my energy much more focused on what is important to me all day long, even if I only invest a few moments to this.  My hope was that maybe a lot of other people would find this true for themselves as well and that cumulatively the energy and focus created would be enough to make some kind of noticable difference.  

quote:Originally posted by Ybom

Anyhoo, I am not posing this post to hurt or challenge the commitment of the goal of world peace. If you see this post as in that light, or in any way similar, please PM me and we will handle this on the sidelines (sort of a just in case paragraph hehe).

I thought you post was great with a lot of very worthwhile thoughts.  Thanks for taking the time to respond...  

--Soulfire

Great post, Holy Reality.  

quote:Originally posted by The Humble Master

Yes, I know that these entities are really spiritual and stuff but I would still like to commune with them. Someone who has a connection with the Zetas, please ask them if they could teach me how to telepathically talk to them.
Thanks

If you read the whole thread and Mayatnik's pendulum article available here on AP, you will have everything you need to get started developing telepathy (which is then used to contact the Zeta).

--Soulfire

quote:Originally posted by Mustardseed

It is quite a odd thing that while these astral pulsers for the most part do not believe that God confines anyone. That there are no absolutes and that it "is all in your mind" they also confine those that believe in a eternal and omnipresent and unlimited God to some place they call the "focus level 27" . It is the same principle that make them state that "you are God" and "he is God" and "we all are God" the only one who is "only a man" is Jesus[] think about it.

Astral traveling seems to be something that is natural and inherent in man. A gift, like playing the guitar. Some pick it up in 1 week others take months and years. Some never try and some really desire it. I think it is all in what kind of music one plays.

I think that the Church system is so afraid of this and the possibility of a "moving of the Spirit" that they try their best, as they always have, to stamp out any wildfire among their members, and in the process become dead and cold without any fire at all, and they are happy with this predictability.

Regards Mustardseed

Nobody is "confining" people who believe anything to F27.  F27 is simply a label used to try and describe the area these "believers" seem to create for themselves.  As with all labels, it is useful to a point, but fails to accurately reflect the full reality of what it attempts to describe.

--Soulfire