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Oh boy....not Robert Monroe, Robert BRUCE....you know, the AUTHOR of Astral Dynamics and the OWNER of this web site?

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RJA, I really appreciate your view on the spiritual, that last post is a wonderful example of someone that has a faith/belief system yet is willing to open their mind to something else that spirit provided as a tool for growth/progression.

It's actually very refreshing []

Whittaker, just south of Ann Arbor, or more accurately Ypsilanti. South of I-94 down Whittaker Rd.

.....in the middle of nooooowheeeerrrreeee [:O]

I was living in Belleville, and will again when our house is rebuilt. That's taking forever though, meanwhile we're stuck in this trailer park . I was thinking of moving northwest of Ann Arbor, more toward Lansing. It's pretty out there...we'll see.
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Didn't I read somewhere in here that one sentence replies just to fluff up a topic weren't allowed? Might have been another message forum, not sure.

Urgo/Xvirus whoever you are...are you having fun? Yeah? Good, you can stop the stupidity now. Do you have something to actually discuss? No? Then go away little child. I can stomach many things, but silly immature postings that are designed to irritate isn't one of them. GROW UP. Go back to school and do more than smoke crack and play in the bathroom.

The U.K. is a bit out of my driving range [] I'll have to wait till Robert comes to Michigan (USA).  When he does I'll be there to see him [:I]

Why would anyone waste their time trying to provide proof to a skeptic?

I think most skeptics out there are just too lazy to go about proving or disproving anything, so they simply sit back and poo-poo everything until some hard evidence is put in front of them. That way, they don't have to expend a bit of effort in finding the truth, and as a bonus, they look smart to other skeptics []

There is a place for skeptics of course, however I have no need to prove anything to anyone so they are of no use to me.

Actually, all the "gangsta" terminology that's being used out there is a very clear flag that whoever is using it is 12 years old or less (or mentally less than 12 ys old)

No offense intended to the INTELLIGENT 12 year old kids that DO speak english. I just think this whole thing with glorifying the gangster way of life is such a waste. Is this ALL that today's youth can think to do with their time? .....sigh..... such a pitiful statement about today's youth, (not to mention the lack of parenting skills and government intrusion into parenting). I think I'm beginning to believe what I was told years ago; that 'a generation was soon to come that would be naught but cannon fodder'.

The time has come I guess....

It sounds more like a test in journeying to me, rather than an AP.

In journeying with a guide, you are often tested before something else will happen where you learn some lesson or other. If this were the case, it doesn't sound like you passed it.

If it was an OBE, you still didn't 'pass' (excuse the phrase, it's not a judgement). It does teach you something however; that you need to retain a certain amount of detatchment from what you see and experience. If you want to continue with the experience to see where it leads, you need to keep focused, yet not get buried in the detail of analyzing the situation.

What you saw most likely was not your brother, but a representation of him, or a manifestation of your emotion regarding his passing. Either way it needs to be dealt with on an emotional level sooner or later.

I agree Tisha. I'm not an anti drug fanatic either. Ingesting plants has a purpose, but it's not intended for continuous daily or even weekly use. That's abusive and the spirit of the plant will catch up with you.

The native Americans I speak to have taught me that there is a specific way to use these plants; The spiritual leader of the 'group' does not generally partake in these things. He/she will be the guide for other group members while they ingest a plant (or combination of plants) for contacting specific spirits or in order to resolve certain issues in that individual. Plant ingesting was not meant as a tool to continually use in order to achieve spiritual growth or progression, it doesn't provide that, it merely provides a temporary window into an alternate reality or a shift in awareness to a different configuration, allowing a completely different perspective on the issue at hand. Continual use will retard and/or degrade spiritual growth, not progress it.

Anyone that ingests plants regularly is abusing them as well their own body. I'd advise anyone that asks about it to avoid the drug route all together, as it is really only supposed to be used when other alternatives have not worked, or there is an urgent need based on the individuals situation.

-Most- of society thrives on stereotypes, and I agree, they suck.

There's little you can do to pry the stereotypes out of the minds of the rest of the world population since society is practically based on the human need to fit everyone in some category or another. Since you can't control what others think and do (wouldn't want to anyway) the thing to do is control how -you- think and act.

Oh no, I'm not worried about the effect of AP'ing on the heart, I used to AP a lot and there were no bad effects.

I had a bit of an 'episode' with the pump yesterday. Oddly enough I wasn't afraid....I know I'm not afraid of death yet I thought when the moment comes I'd freak. Anyway, Everyone skips a beat now and then, yesterday I skipped about 5 beats. After about a second I felt myself starting to AP and did my best to stop it. My heart did a huge THUMP and the exit stopped.

Yes I know, I considered going to the doctor for that one, but with a lack of insurance I think I'll just lay off the salty stuff instead.

Anyway, that's what made me wonder, what do people that AP feel when their heart gives THEM trouble....

No, lonely hearts don't count []

There isn't much sense using drugs of any type, natural or synthetic, to achieve spiritual experiences if spiritual growth is what you are after. You need to learn to shift your awareness without the aid of drugs....after all, when you're dead and need to continue your journey, where ya gonna score that good old salvia or datura plant?

You already knew this though...  

Freedom also means being free from inhibitors to that end, where would you be without the drugs as inhibitors? My gosh, you'd have to work at it and learn wouldn't ya! Tragic!





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I don't think Robert is offering up the Astral Pulse as a container for a belief system, or a belief system in itself. Astral projection is an experience, a tool, a goal, but not a belief system.

You can insert the experience into whatever context you like into an existing belief system, or even invent a new one if you want to...it's your perogative. The only proselytizing I've seen here is by xtain fundies. It's up to you to decide your path and I don't believe Robert nor the moderators wish to force any belief system on you.

If you see ties between what the fundies have been preaching and what Robert Bruce wrote or feel threatened when you tie it all together into one big picture, I'd suggest you've already decided on a belief system and perhaps it needs more discovery on your part. So go for it!

Just don't expect everyone else to fall in line with something -YOU- have decided to believe []

....free will rulez

You have reaching cosmic consciousness on a timetable, that's funny...

I wouldn't worry about 'levels'. When you experience something it naturally will lead to more questions, you never run out of those. IMO, there is no 'ultimate' anything... even Spirit still advances and evolves.

Assigning the non physical to 'levels' is really counterproductive. Levels assume that beyond the physical, 'time' makes any difference to your path. It doesn't.  I think of the differences between states as different awarenesses rather than levels. It's more a matter of configuration - learning how to attain and use a configuration that will determine your present state of awareness.

Hope that makes sense....

since the author deleted her question, I delete my answer.

The term 'soul mates' is a misnomer, at least as it's used today. A better term for what everyone today thinks is a 'soul mate' is a 'compatible soul'.  You get more than one of those, and they generate deja vu, feelings of love, familiarity, all that. A REAL soul mate is much deeper, and you can still have more than one, but they are far fewer in number for each.

The split soul thing is carried in another eastern come western idea called a 'twin flame'. That's when the """soul""" is split in two and opposing traits are split between them as well. When you meet the other half, it's not complimentary, it's antithesis. So the story goes anyway.

There are a few out there somewhere that I 'feel' and have even dreamt with but not met in the physical. I hope I get the chance to meet them, cuz they are awesome...

If all you seek is percieved power, the astral domain has that for you. You may build and destroy to your hearts content there.

But here's the rub....

You won't get there anytime soon though virus. The reason being that you are too distracted with minor things. Your head is full of your own voice yammering on endlessly. You're too destructive to build on your own spirituality, even far enough to go astral even with a good technique.

The good news is that there is no age limit to this, you can still progress and turn yourself around even if you're just a crotchety 85 year old. I think you're a brat, but maturity comes at different ages for different folks. You'll probably mature right about half way through your first real prison sentence. (28 or so)

The first thing you could do is drop the angry ignoramus routine. If you have something you want to ask or tell, be a useful contributor. If not, go away until you mature a bit.

I wouldn't worry about Xvirus, he/she is no doubt just a twerpy little kid that wants attention, and like the afflicted youth of today they don't know how to go about getting attention the 'good' way.

So here we are with yet another in need of moderation, or a good 'correcting' anyway.

Go 'way kid, yer botherin me...

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Man, I'm glad there are at least a few older than me here, LOL!

But an old fart, I am not []

quote:they called me crazy for not believeing in god/you people are crazy you people are the ones who think you can fly out your body(makes me so mad)

Don't be mad, get Glad! (sorry, just popped into my head)

Sooo, then why are you here "Xvirus"?  If it's just to hang around calling people nuts for having beliefs that do not align with yours, please just save us all the grief and go away little boy.

When you have something intelligent to say, pull up a chair.....

Aries;

nuff said.

I -know- I am not going to any place that could be called hell (excludung what I've already experienced in this life, LOL!)

Astral isn't everything non-physical. There is much much more. If you dedicate enough time to finding out for yourself, you will see that there are beings you could consider both angels and demons, but you also know it's not a "religious" thing.

Organized religion as man has set it up pretty much means nothing to the spirit world, howerver there are exceptions, and those exceptions are human. You'll see what I mean.

In any case, I found what Spirit (God) is, and I've discovered that "worship" is not required, ritual means nothing. It's what is in your heart, what your intent is, and how you are developing that matters.

I'm at complete peace with God in my heart and mind, (no overstuffed rigid religious zealot will ever change that either) []

Almost forgot to answer your query;

quote:HERES THE DEAL: I want to know how you can make sure these experiences are real. Your mind has eyes too.
What if ,when you project, satan takes over your mind and puts all these images in there. Soon you will get so drawn in that you won't be able to stop and then what? Everything has to have a point of reference. once again, i am not trying to offend, but i want someone to help me out with this. Please.

No offense taken []  Your mind has eyes, but when in a non-physical state you have no mind. Beyond the energy body and astral projection your being becomes something different. Anyway, when you progress to a point where you surpass astral projection as one of the few methods you use to access the non physical, you will find that you  CAN be sure because of what you percieve and experience. There is no other way to explain that, you have to 'see' it for yourself.

Experiencing the spirit that created us will change you. I mean this in a larger context than "accept jesus into your heart" sort of context. When you experience other beings in these states you know what they are without thinking about them....well, as I said. You have to see it for yourself. Be patient, work on progressing, it will come. I was in a horrible state 12 years ago because I was not sure of anything....it took a few years before I came to the point where I finally understood. Here's a tip; a good part of the 'understanding' lies within the difference between states of awareness. What you experience now in waking is very different in astral, and VERY different beyond that. This affects not only 'how' you 'think', but what you really ARE in these states.

Sorry if that sounds convoluted, but I haven't found very good ways to describe these things yet. Maybewhen I do I'll write some books []

On country bashing, just a thought;

If one hates a particular country then one is certainly welcome to stay home! However, if one 'hates' an entire country of people, I suggest there are other issues that are indicative of a severe lack of spirituality, at least toward the positive end of the scale.

On voices;
My son had what we thought was a mental problem for quite a long time. As it turned out his problem was largely non physical, the rest became his will as it was trained to be problematic. He heard voices, those voices instructed him to kill his parents. He tried, he failed.

At the psychologists' office he denied his previous claims of hearing the instructive voices. Later on, I asked why he denied this and he said the voices said not to admit it to the doctors, but parents, teachers, and police did not matter. This was when he was 7 years old.

His voices came not when he was awake, but as he was falling asleep. Myself, I haven't heard anything very coherent as I make the transition, just stuff I call hynogogic noise.

No real point to make with that, just putting it out there.

My 'threshold guardian' came early on as well. It was a huge dark figure with red eyes. To me the thing was a personification of threat, harm, evil, whatever else you can think of along those lines and it terrified me.

Robert got me through that, I took his advice and simply faced it head on. This took a few 'tries', but I finally did it. I tore it's heart out, a huge symbolic event. That fight with it was the last I have seen the thing since.

I've seen other things, but I wouldn't classify them as a guardian of any sort since they weren't a barrier to progressing along with the APs.

I keep meaning to note when I post about APing, I don't do it much anymore. It's a matter of choice, I've found journeying and taking the awareness above astral provides greater experiences than the problematic realm of the astral. I do play with it once in a while however []

I don't subscribe to the karmic theory, at least not the way it's traditionally explained....you do something bad, it carries over to the next life where you have to correct it...however, what goes around comes around sure does apply at least to a 'localized' version of karma (this lifetime and it's consequences).

I think we're here to progress, grow, and learn (about many things). If you don't learn the most important things and progress spiritually, you get sorta recycled. LOL, what a word for it.