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quote:Originally posted by Nay

So, apparently I don't use the analytical side too often..
I've easily convinced myself that absurd situations in dreams have some credibility

I read that the reason that one does not realize the absurd situations in dreams is because the cerebreal cortex shuts down while we're asleep.  It's responsable for all of our more "conscious" aspects logic, memory, etc.  But that's why reality checks work, the habit part of the brain doesn't shut down.  Also as far as wake induced is concerned I guess we just manage to keep the cerebreal cortex functioning somehow.[|)]

I would have to say that the best way to keep your concentration is merely to verbally demand it.  Say, "CLARITY NOW!" or something like that.

I forgot but remembered that morning I had dreampt of fishing and in T's dream I threw a fish in a mail box.  Also what was funny is that in my dream fishing was illegal and in my mom's dream book it said that a U.S. Mailbox means that you will be in an activity considered illegal by others.  T's dream seemed slightly related to a show that we both are semi-obsessed with.  And with E I don't know, maybe he did just make it up.  As far as the me having the upper hand in a transition conserning strength and power that could have to do with some serious working out I've started.  Over the last weekend I jogged a total of 5 hours 30 minutes and I'm not sure how much I lifted weights.  I thought that was pretty good.  Also on a side note this has gotten me into lucid dreaming.  Sounds like it could be real fun.

First off I don't think it was a nightmare because nightmares are while sleeping it could have been a partial OBE, overactive imagination considering the age, or it could have been psychic vision like findtruth said.  Also I'd like to say that an odd statistic I heard is that the most common hallucination for somebody going through withdrawl is a black dog.[]

First of all Welcome to the Astral Pulse!
I would like to say that it will take some time, just to warn you ahead of time.  I have gone for 6 months, 4 of which were trying and I've gotten really close with vibrations and swaying but no concious exit[].  You can check out the main site (www.astralpulse.com) and follow the link on the main page to the Treatise on OBE.  On the obe discussion board you can read Jeff's OBE Tips.  And also I recommend looking at the website http://www.obejournal.com/LifeLineTechnique.htm, it doesn't say there but the original writer recommends trying it sitting up, slightly reclined.
I hope you have a happy time here and in your OBE/AP attempts!

quote:Originally posted by YoungSpirit

I have another question that has left me curious for years and years.
OverDriven mentioned one can see animals in the astral world.
My cat Higgins was put down years ago due to Diabetes. I had him cremated and his picture resides within close viewing on his urn.

I have wondered and hoped that I will see him again. Will I ever see Higgins? Some say animals have souls, therefore they have to go somewhere. Can I will my mind to see Higgins while OOB? I feel like I have had no closure since he was put down 5 years ago. I would give anything to see my little Higgy and to make sure he is happy with lots of catnip:)
If anyone has witnessed a pet that has passed away during OOB, please share it with me if you feel comfortable.

I recently bought a book by Robert Peterson, "Out of Body Experiences", how to have them and what to expect. This book is so great I find it hard to put down. I feel like the author is decribing my experiences in his book. Very helpful techniques, exercises and really preps you on what to expect, especially for beginners such as myself.

"If you have knowledge, let others light their candles in it." Margaret Fuller

"The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend." Henri Bergson

I haven't personally met a passed away animal on the astral because I haven't ever been out[V].  But I have read a post about someone meeting there passed away cat by calling their name.

quote:Originally posted by ASunnieSpirit

strange
I always used to and still do fantacise about this character who is like me but had talents and skills i could only dream of. Does this mean that this person, this version of me is a real thing in the astral, that it is wandering around doing things, it kinda creeps me out, but it would be intresting to summon it, what do i do, call its name?

Yes it could possibly exist elsewhere.  To summon or create it, whatever it maybe you just sort of will it to be there.  At least that's my understanding.

Welcome to The Astral Pulse!

Were you awake when it happened or did you wake up to it?  If you were awake then it was triggered because you were so close to sleep.  If you woke up to it then you probably became aware in a natural projection that you had while asleep.  Did it feel like you were awake?  Did you have any control?  If those were answered with a no then it wasn't likely an OBE.  If they were answered with a yes then you did have an OBE.

quote:Originally posted by holy reality

don't do them in the bathub, that's just asking for trouble

when you are sleeping your body breathes automatically.. all it takes is a half a second under water and you could wake up "dead" or you could wake up inhaling water.

now I don't really know how the body reacts to being unconscious while underwater... in the movies I always see how people just kind of pass out and don't inhale... but that makes no sense, sooner or later when you run out of air your body is going to make itself inhale, thus kililng you..

so maybe you would automatically hold your breath if you slid under water while out of body, maybe not...

But it makes no damn sense to risk it... and it makes no damn sense to sleep or AP in a bathtub.

There is a huge inherent risk involved there... I just wouldn't risk it.

Now maybe if you rigged a sort of sensory deprivation tank up that had no room to allow you to roll over and when you were flat on your back your face stuck up above the water, and maybe you had something around your head to keep you from turning it....

but in a bathtub sure there's a chance you could drown yourself... it allegedly happens a lot.

Holy reality, what she's saying is that she has spontaneous OBEs.  She's worried that she'll have one in the bathtub.  She's not saying that she's going to try and OBE in the bathtub.  Now just so that you know when you are OOB you are technically not asleep, you are in a deep trance.  This means you'll react.  If you take in a breath of water you'll go back in to your body.  The chances are the worry of being OOB while in the bathtub alone would bring you back in before you even slumped.  And even if it didn't (which is very unlikely) the chances are you would go back at will because you were worried.

I'm glad I could help YoungSpirit.  To add to the problems that could come up.  Sometimes during the day you will be in pitch blackness.  The asking for clarity should work.  I believe that sometimes while OOB you will encounter 360, spherical, or tunnel vision.  You can will yourself to have normal vision.  With 360 and spherical vision I've heard you can get things confused and when you get your normal vision back you will see for example your normal door and a door opposite of it that is a gateway to somewhere in the astral.  Also Gandalf is right that your fears can manifest however also there are actual things that are scary there too.  I understand that merely showing courage against these can cause them to back off.
Now some of this may sound odd or scarey but don't worry it's not all that common.  Many people who have spontaneous OBEs like you seem to have a bit more control while actually out.  Possibly to compensate for not being able to control when you go out[].

Welcome to The Astral Pulse.
1)  The vibrations aren't always experienced, they aren't necessary to have OBEs even though they are common.  
2)  Noone really knows why it happens to any given person.  It happens to some involuntarily and others need practice.  
3)  No it does not mean that you are close to death.  Dr. Monroe was the most famous of people to have OBEs without knowledge of them.  This is because he conducted experiments which showed that there are a good possibility that OBEs are real.  He got eight digit numbers hidden and then got an OBEer to find the number and come back with it memorized.  Notice that he lived a long life to make his experiments.
4)  Yes, it could be your spirituality that helped it along.  Mind you Dr. Monroe was, well, a doctor, a realist of sorts.
5)  I believe that OBEs can help ones psychic abilities substantially, especially if they ask their guide while OOB to help them learn.  However they don't even need to ask in order for it to happen naturally.  I've heard something about Dr. Monroe and an incident with a parking metre door opening with telekinesis and him trying to put the coins back in.
6)  If you have one in the bathtub then you will get pulled back to your body if there was any problem.  Plus you could just will yourself back.
7)  I understand that at night one can will light into the room at night.  You could do various other things to like demand clarity or manifest a flashlight.
Hope that helps.  Most people would find your situation lucky once they knew a bit about the whole thing.[]

I already said how you use it once you're in the astral.  If you mean how to transfer your conciousness to it I said that you needed to be on the astral plane.  Now take a shot in te dark.  How might one get on the astral plane?  Let's say astral projecting[].  If you want to know how to astrally project than look on the LifeLineTechnique topic.  That's more for OBEs but once OOB you can raise your vibration to the astral.  Also do a search on how to OBE or how to Astral Project.
EDIT: The life line technique topic is on the OBE Discussion Board.  You can find a website with illustrations for it at www.obejournal.com/LifeLineTechnique.htm.  I find that the life line technique works pretty good.  It's reccomended you try it sitting up, possible reclined a little.

The astral body is the body that our conciousness is in when we project into the astral.  So in case you didn't already guess that means you control it like your physical body except when you go to fly you have to will it to happen and when you want to go through something you press a little harder than normal on the object.

My understanding is that the heavy feeling is a sign that you're entering a level of trance which may be deep enough to OBE.  From there you may want to try an exiting technique.

First of all welcome to The Astral Pulse!

The reason you couldn't leave was most likely because of the loud music making you focus on the physical.  Also the vibrations aren't needed to OBE.  Many people don't experience the vibrations and OBE and many people (eg. me) have experienced the vibrations and haven't OBEd.  
EDIT: Oh and brainwave generators aren't always a sure to work.

quote:Originally posted by 1Zenryoku


so how do I know that all that stuff about astral projection isn't fantasy,  what facts do you have to back it up huh....  

From my understanding the Monroe Institute conducted thousands of experiments where a person who said they could leave their body would be put in a room and told to do so.  They would then go to the room next to them or a hidden area in their room where an eight digit number was put.  They'll then come back and tell the scientists the number.  Mind you tens of thousands were most likely conducted with a couple thousand successes.  But still eight digits would mean that there would have to be something going on with those statistics.  Besides noone can project 100% of the time.
Oh and in case you didn't know these were scientific studies conducted by Monroe not just tests.  And yes Monroe was a respected person before and after he started having spontaneous OBEs.  I believe he was a psychiatrist before the OBE and became more of a scientist afterwards.  
Please correct me if I got his original profession wrong.  Just figured I'd tell you, 1Zenryoku, that OBEs are by far, thanks to the Monroe Institute, the furthest studied psychic phenomena.[|)]

From my experience you generate the energy and merely imagining it coming from somewhere else is a visualization that helps the subconcious mind realize to generate that energy.  I either go into a light trance and ask my higher self to give me an energy ball pre-programmed to do whatever I want it to do or zoom out to everything that exists (not just earth, not just this solar system, a comprehensive picture of everything) and imagine lightning bolts coming from everything to me with my body acting as a lightning rod.  I then phocus said lightning energy into my hands as a ball.  Oh and in case you wondered I am pretty great with psiballs.  I've been known to do minor pranks such as giving headaches with them (sometimes over MSN.)[]
What isn't practical about a maintainable energy ball that can do pretty much whatever you want it to do as long as it stays along its level of energy it has, James S?  And I too found other psychic related skills easier after I could make psiballs.
Also http://www.psipog.net is good.

quote:Originally posted by c3pt0r

i really want to kno what is a solar plexus chakra and where is it located?

-Pawel-

If you looked on page 3 you'd see that there is a link to a website with illustations.  And the solar plexus isn't just a chakra it's an actual physical spot.  The website is http://www.obejournal.com/LifeLineTechnique.htm

quote:Originally posted by Jeff_Mash

If only I had a comfortable arm chair to sit it!

I think that laying on a couch with your head propped up as if you were in a chair would work.  That's what I'm going to try.  While lying down I got a lot of exit sensations though, which if you want, can be read about in my latest topic in the astral experiences forum entitled "Nearly OBEd My First Time!"

I always thought that what you've mentioned is possible.  I don't see why the writers original thought form of the character couldn't be cloned.  Also it seems as if you project fairly regularly and can manifest things well so I was wondering if you would be willing to try out something I thought up.  You see if someone can manifest an apple astrally and then manifest an astral object made to make astral objects become physical at a certain location (which should be possible if the vibrations of the apple are lowered enough) one could get a physical object made out of thought.  One could experiment on this, of course you shouldn't try any of your astral dates, but trying something like an apple in my example.  I think that it's possible that it will work but I think an experiment would be important because its possible but unlikely.  I mean giving it a try couldn't hurt right?

Thanks for the quick replies!  I did start deep breathing in this attempt (which I might add I started awhile in, making me think that perhaps these sensations would have came earlier if I started deep breathing earlier), I didn't pay attention to my surroundings because I was involved with my visualization.  Thank you anyways though for your comments.  Also I forgot to say that I stopped my technique temporarily to passively observe the sensations, do you think that could have had a detremental affect?

The same thing happened to me since I've started trying to OBE.  I'll even have it twice a day at times.  I'm not really sure why this happened but I think that someone on here would have better theories than I do.

First of all I'd like to note that I haven't OBEd yet and that when I came to reply to this topic it had been viewed 666 times[].  Last night I tried it propped up a bit more however I think that the lack of tiredness was more of a factor.
I came so close last night with this technique it was pretty cool!  I experienced exit sensations I have only experienced once before and I experienced one sensation which I haven't ever experienced (swaying.)  Overall the attempt was about 45 minutes (before I got disturbed) even though it felt like only around 15-20 minutes.  If you want to read more about this or comment on any of it then check out my post that I will shortly post on the Astral Experiences Board[].

quote:Originally posted by xander

There is NO F-ING WAR! There is no demon war here or on the astral. Are your lives so pathetic you have to create elaborate fantasies in which you are the grande hero overcoming incrediblely fantastical obstacles.

99% of you here have never seen a war up close except on yer damn tv, video games, etc. You have no conception of the pain and misery. There is no glory in war. What little patriotism is simply a hollow farce to fool those who cannot handle the pain.

I'm sick of DBZ, yughi-oh, pokemon and all the other anime CRAP that glorifies violence and war.

Work on bettering yourselves spiritually to become better people. Stop pretending you can make ball of energy pop out of your 3rd eye and kill some imaginary demon. I'll admit pretend is fun but real life is a hell of a lot harder and more rewarding.

*rant over*

Xander

I would first like to say that I am no believer in a astral-physical merger or none of this nonsense.  However xander you have something wrong there, from what I understand.  I'm not sure who said it but I remember a fairly respected user (I believe it was Frank) say that he would often project to the lower planes and that in the lower planes there is a continual war.  Please do correct me if I'm wrong though.

One time I had an experience with what I think to be a neg that I won't go into detail about but I will say that it freaked me out.  I said,"If your so advanced why dont you pull me out of my body, huh? I bet you can't do that!"  I started to feel like I was being pulled of the end of my bed by my ankles.[B)]  I mentally forced it off though because I would prefer not to have my first OBE be a negative one where a neg got to have some fun with me[xx(].