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#26
Thanks for the quick replies and feedback guys!
@SweP it sounds like you are def on the right track, but keep going! It sounds like you are trying to do this from a fully awake state. The best advice I can give you is to try this AFTER at least 3 - 4 hours of sleep in the early morning when you wake up.
For me personally I have NEVER had an obe from a fully awake state during meditation, only during evening naps and early mornings because of how much easier it is. Honestly I haven't even meditated in probably 4 months either.
I've seen so many people saying crazy things over the past 6 years being involved with this about religion, certain things you have to do, or certain things you have to not do in order to get obe. Honestly in my opinion none of it matters, all that matters is that YOU want to get OBE. Everyone is different and I know for me that I am NOT religious at all, but I'm def not ignorant and I KNOW there is more to me than this physical body and getting obe is possible and that's all I needed to know to make it happen.
I didn't have to eat 5 chickens a day or rub some magic holy water on my face for it to happen. EVERY HUMAN is from the same source and that's all you need to know to know that getting obe is VERY possible for you and every other person.
#27
Hey guys I just wanna make this quick topic to tell the newest people that this is easy, and to not make it harder than it really is. Obviously when your new and trying to have you're first obe you're gonna try and do everything under the sun to make it happen, but honestly you might make it harder for yourself.

It took me about 2 months to have my first obe and I tried every day about 3 times a day. My mom thought I was depressed because of how much I was sleeping lol. It wasn't until one morning when I woke up and DID NOTHING that I finally had the obe.

But anyway, recently I've been out of the picture because I've been focusing on life and trying to make some money so I haven't had an obe for about 4 - 6 months now. Two nights ago I came on here and read the post "the sweet spot" and watched his video. Everything he said is very true. I went to sleep and counted how many times I woke up, it was about 4 - 5 times. I think just HAVING THE AWARENESS that you woke up and are now going back to sleep is all you need to make this happen. If you don't have that slight awareness you'll fall right back into sleep.

So all I did was roll over onto my side, REALIZE I was awake, and kept my eyes shut. (I didn't start thinking about what I was gonna do that day or anything like that because that would prevent me from falling back asleep) Within 15 seconds I was hearing vibrations. I thought "Oh wow haven't felt those in a while" I'll just keep laying still. Within another 15 seconds I was in my backyard looking at the back of my house, but I was still completely aware of my body. I kept focusing on the full picture I had of my backyard and house and within 5 to 10 seconds I had a complete conscious will OBE and was fully emerged in that reality flying and jumping around.

So obviously for the newest person it's not going that be that easy, but just realize that OBE's are very natural and we do them while we sleep anyway, so doing it consciously doesn't feel abnormal or take very hard work. You just need to know what works best for you.

8-)
#28
Interesting way of remembering, I will give it a try if I come across the opportunity, seems like a good idea
#29
I was doing really good and having a lot of experiences for a few months, then recently they stopped and I haven't had one in over a month. I'm just waitin it out until they come back
#30
I try a lot. Almost every morning, why not? It's fun
#31
I have been on a dry spell for about 3 weeks myself. Just waiting around until another obe comes along
#32
Yes I have heard and felt a loud popping before exiting. That is only 1 of some loud and crazy noises you will hear
#33
Relax and let go of the physical and you can travel where ever you wish
Also not sure what you mean by "death as we view it". We all have different opinions upon what happens when we die. I think must of us here consider it to be a transition into the non physical
#34
Yes, don't expect any results, don't focus so much on waiting for something to happen, practice in the morning, and let your body fall asleep
#35
You are definitely on the right path! Basically the same path I took.. I have had the same problem with the conversion box, but sometimes the lid would be too heavy for me to keep open long enough to get everything in and it would shut by itself. Other times it just wouldn't close and it would keep popping open. I would imagine chains strapping it down so it would be impossible to open. Well, it worked for a little, but then started doing it again.
Anyway after many times going back to the gateway series I've realized you don't need to spend so much time on the conversion box. It's just a quick exercise that should be done and forgotten about. Don't lay there for 10 mins trying to get all your stuff shoved in the box, because really, there is no box and nothing is going in it.
I'm not saying to totally ignore it, but just do it quickly and know that it is done.

I got this idea from someone on here a while ago, I think it was PersonalReality but I don't remember for sure. When Bob tells me to go my energy conversion box, I imagine in my mind that I leave my room and walk in the hallway, I pull down my attic stairs and go up. I see my box against the wall and a butler who greets me every time. He unlocks the box and I "unzip" my fleshly body and then he helps me place it in the box. He closes the lid and locks it up. He tells me to have a safe trip and then I fly downstairs and the stairs shut behind me. Then I proceed with the next exercise.

That was best and easiest way I learned to do the energy conversion box. And once you get the hang of it, it only takes like 20 seconds and you will be able to do it without the gateway series.
Hope that helps.
#36
Yes I try to communicate with entities whenever I encounter them, but they are not "scary" or in the corner of my room. I've never seen one in my room before, but I have talked to some outside of my house or others in places I've never been.
Usually they are short conversations that go like this..
Hi, what's your name? *shakes hands*
"Bob"
I'm Justin, nice to meet you, where are you from?
"What? I'm from here"
Oh okay, I'm from earth

If they are interested the convo will usually be a little longer, but not really significant. Sometimes you can tell they are not interested and I usually just walk away at that point.
#37
I have used the hemi-sync gateway series many times. Every time I get the urge to use it I never get passed the first wave, or maybe one or 2 exercises into the second wave.

The last time I got the urge to use it I practiced at least once or twice a day and I repeated each exercise at least 5 times or more until I was completely comfortable and able to easily reach that state of consciousness.
That was the most effective way I used it and got the best results. After I was comfortable going to those states of awareness I stopped using the hemi-sync and was doing it on my own, but then slowly I stopped using the techniques I learned from it.
And now I just do a different meditation, but the gateway series has always been great to me, should probably pick it up again
#38
Quote from: LightBeam on March 23, 2013, 17:51:26
You were already projected. You just had to think of a place you wanted to be and your thoughts would have taken you there instantly. Do it with a strong intent and it will happen.

Lightbeam is right, if you are in this black void. You are basically already separated so either do an exit technique, simply roll over off your bed (you might think you physically are), or think of being somewhere with strong intent
#39
I usually always pick a random card from a shuffled deck and place it on top of a high shelf in my livingroom. It's basically always there so every time I get obe I can try to verify the card. I have come extremely close a few times, but haven't actually gotten the right card yet flawlessly. Some recent examples are..

NPMR card - Red 7 of hearts, PMR it was red 7 or diamonds
NPMR card - It changed from a Red queen to a Red jack of hearts, PMR it was Red jack of hearts
NPMR card - Black 2 of spades, PMR it was Black 10 of spades

I've been doing this experiment for years and I've realized you really need a clear, open, and focused mind to get somewhat accurate results. I like to make sure I am in control of the obe before I go looking at the card otherwise I will see a bunch of random numbers on the card.

I started doing this experiment with the intent to verify the existence of the NPMR. I've realized since, that this is not the correct way to go about doing it so now I just do it for kicks and giggles. I know that the existence of the NPMR is real because of all my other experiences and being able to compare them with other peoples experiences.
I still find it fun and entertaining though so that's why I continue to do it.
#40
I usually hear vibrations or other noises like music, a sinking feeling, or I enter a black void
#41
Sorry I made it sound like that, I know the RTZ IS a reality outside of this PMR. I just don't normally use the term astral projection or astral planes so I wasn't sure how else to word it.
But thanks I'll give it a try
#42
I also agree. And remember, don't try so hard, let your body fall asleep
#43
Recently I have been able to achieve OBE's quite frequently which is pretty amazing. They are usually always induced by using the wake back to bed method and I am conscious the entire time and directly entering the RTZ through separation. I usually do the card experiment for self verification since I am in the RTZ so much and then I proceed outside my house and fly around my house or neighborhood until waking up.
Sometimes on occasion I'll have an experience where I enter a NPR that I am completely unfamiliar with. The colors there are so much brighter than PMR or RTZ and there is much more the explore.

Anyway, I've been trying to enter other NPMR's by calling deceased friends or relative's names, opening doors and expecting there to be another reality behind it, flying upwards, or closing my eyes and trying to imagine another place. Unfortunately, I haven't had any success with any of these.

Is there any other techniques you guys use to go from RTZ to NPMR or anything else I can try?
Or is it just a matter of I haven't learned how to do it yet and once I do I will become better at it? (like most other things in the npmr)
#44
I don't really like "dubstep" music unless I am drunk and partying. It's okay, but I wouldn't normally listen to it by myself at home. Anyway, this morning I had an experience while doing wake back to bed. I rolled over and laid on my back and relaxed waiting for the vibrations. Soon after I realized I was creating and listening to really amazing dubstep type music in my head. I thought maybe it was vibrations and my mind took over and I was interpreting it as music. Well it was vibrations and I was able to separate easily. But the point is I wish I was able to record that somehow and bring it back to PMR. It was amazing and it would be awesome to make music like that
#45
I also lose my vision sometimes while passing through solid objects
#46
Bedeekin is right about the sleep paralysis thing, when I say I feel SP come on I am really referring to a feeling that feels like a shift in my awareness and I feel like I'm sinking into my bed. I am just assuming that is when SP comes on.

When I get vibrations I relax and let them grow more intense until I feel that shift. Once I feel it I usually can't hear or feel the vibrations anymore. From there I can just float away

So I would say when you get vibrations again, just relax and let them grow. You are really close
#47
That's pretty interesting, it must be easy to fly  :lol:
#48
Nice, glad you are having success right now!

What do you mean by you were in your usual form (not human)? What are you usually?

One time I wanted to experience space and I asked a guide to bring me there. I ended up in nothing but blackness. I think they took me a little too literally lol.


And on another note since we are talking about it, I have been on a streak of successful obe's since the beginning of January. I hope it lasts! Or like you said, I hope maybe it DID click for me lol.
#49
It's not a gift it's just a matter of how bad you really want it. If you are ready it will happen. It's taken me a little over 5 years to finally be able to have conscious exits and I can still only do it after I've woken up from a full nights sleep. I hope I'll be able to achieve it through meditation or during an afternoon nap in the future.

My childhood consisted nothing of any of this. And also not of a very religious family either, thankfully. I stumbled upon a youtube video of astral projection one day while searching time travel and ever since then I have read about 10 books, lurked the forums getting as much info as I could and practiced. My mom thought I was depressed because of how much I was sleeping.
I'm a normal kid, I work on cars and drink beer on the weekends. Definitely not some gifted NPMR god
#50
This morning as soon as I exited I couldn't see. I cautiously walked through my room trying to get vision. I walked into my door and bumped my head and fell back lol. Then I opened my npmr eyes and was able to open my door and walk out.

So, it's normal and a lot of people have trouble with passing through things. I can almost never pass through my bedroom door for some reason, but later in the experience I can pass through an entire house so I think it's just a matter of confidence and awareness.