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Wow Vicky, geez, that is freaky!  I thought my encounter was freaky!  I have to admit that my experience has held me back a bit since it happened.  I'm really trying to be brave, but I'm also focusing intensely on raising my vibratory rate prior to each exit, and if it happens fast then I do it during the first few moments out.  I firmly request that I be in a higher astral level.

That being said, I do know that the dead kid had no malice toward me, he seemed lost.  But he STARTLED the bejesus out of me!!!

A few days after this, I encountered another ghost.  I left my body and my living room changed into a different house, and there he was, a young boy.  He had brown hair and white hazy eyes.  The fear kicked in, but at least I wasn't startled in my own hallway!  I mustered my courage and said "c-c-can I help you?"  His eyes cleared and were beautiful green.  He started rambling like an 8 year old would do, about nothing much.  I told him about seeing a scary ghost recently.  He interrupted me and said "oh yeah, well I've seen some REALLY scary stuff!  Like this one time..." and I stopped him and said "I don't think I want to know!"  Anyway he was a nice kid, and only wanted someone to talk to.  We chatted until he had to leave, apparently for some astral class he was taking.  I didn't find out how he died but it happened in 2000.  I should have asked him his name.

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I find it hard to believe I would have to be emotionally numb and detached to his presence in astral or journeying, in order to advance and grow. I think that anybody would fail a test like this (if that is what it was). Especially under such extreme and traumatic circumstances as suicide. If this was a test that I failed due to the strong emotional bond that I had with my brother in life, I would have plenty of questions about the cruelty of universal law in regard to learning from human relationships.

Let me first say that I totally understand your feelings, having lived through horrible trauma myself, especially surrounding my father's death, and other family situations.

Then let me say, that there is a difference between "feeling" and "emotion."  Feelings are just that, feelings.  They move to and from you, and through you, but they are NOT you.  Compassion, love, empathy, etc. are some of the highest-level feelings, and should definitely be expressed when you see your brother.

On the other hand, we have emotions.  Believe it or not, our emotions are very selfish!  They are the tools of our all-to-human egos.  Anger, fear, sorrow, jealousy, pride and yes even happiness, are emotions that all have to do with the self.  Think about it!  This selfishness does not make our emotions bad, per se.  However (and this is the key), it does mean that they can control us if we let them!  If you are happy about something, a negative event can take that happiness away.  And anger and fear, well you know how those feelings can control you.  

I'm not suggesting that one should not be happy, don't get me wrong!  Just that one should be stable enough to still feel fine when the cause of that particular happiness passes.  Life has ups and downs.

So yes, you may think it is cruel, and it certainly can hurt, but I believe that learning to control our emotions (so that they don't control us) is one of the main lessons of life.  It is a hard lesson that we all struggle with and no one is perfect (OK, maybe Mother Teresa!).  I am definitely dealing with my personal emotion of fear, especially in the astral.  It is our most primitive emotion, and it is very tough to control, but I am trying.  

And remember that all of our emotions are not only amplified in the astral, but they manifest themselves quickly and in ways we don't expect.  We've simply gotta learn to control our emotions in order to advance.

Here's an example.  Imagine your ten year old son just fell and broke his leg.  Would you lapse into a fit of crying, saying "it's not fair" or "woe is me" and pounding your fists?  No, you wouldn't want him to see that.  You would speak calmly and compassionately, using feeling and controlling your emotions, and you would act quickly to get him medical help.  This would be best for both of you!

I hope this clarifies what I originally was trying to say!  I've rambled enough...

Oh... one more thing... to begin to learn to control your emotions, try to see yourself as separate from them, observe them and let them pass through you.  Like, say you are angry.  Say "wow, I sure am angry."  Go into a room alone, and feel the anger move through your body.  Try to determine where it is centered in your body (stomach?  head?).  Really let the anger have it's way with you (calmly, not pounding the walls!)  Take deep breaths.  You'll find that the emotion of anger will pass more quickly if you let it run its course this way.  Take as long as you need.  You might still be angry, but you'll be IN CONTROL.  This works for all emotions.  Give it a try.

Unfortunately, sometimes when you encounter dead relatives in the astral, they may not respond the way you would hope.  Sadly, it is up to them to realize that their situation has changed, and that they need to make new choices.

Every time I see my father in the astral, he seems happy to see me, but he just rambles about inconsequential stuff.  I keep hoping he will say "wow, it's great to see you!" but usually he just starts telling me about something mundane, like about someone he worked with, like no time has passed.  I suppose for him, none has!  Of course I will keep trying to break through, but I don't get my feelings hurt anymore when he doesn't react to me the way I'd like.

If you've ever encountered any dead people (non-relatives), you may have noticed that they are drawn to you but they're not really lucid.  Often they don't know where they are but they may sense something has changed.  They're desperate for anyone to talk to or to shed some light on their situation, although, ironically, usually they don't listen to what you tell them!  You will need to learn to tune these entities out.  This is hard to do with relatives, though.

I have a friend whose highly religious dead mother keeps visiting her and telling her she needs to get back into the church.  She keeps explaining to her mother that she has passed on, and that she needs to go toward her guides and forget the church stuff.  But so far she hasn't and it's been a few years.  Her mother continues to be stuck in some sort of zone.  It's tough stuff!  No school can prepare you for dealing with your loved ones in this way!

My advice is, when you see your brother (whether he is aware and talking, or not), stay calm and loving, and try to explain his situation to him as best you can, and suggest he look for his guides.  But, divorce yourself from your desired outcome as it may not happen.  It's called tough love.  Eventually, he WILL figure it out, all souls do.

I wish I had something more uplifting to say, but I hope this helps!

Lucky you!  Just kidding!  [)]

You will need to get past this sex thing or this entity will keep you from going further.  It will just come to you every time you project, as soon as you project.  (why not, since you always consent?)  Somehow you will just need to learn how to say no.  Astral sex that is like physical sex is considered a lower-astral activity.  Sorry!  There is another type of astral sex that is like an energy exchange.  I haven't experienced this yet but hope to.  I've had my share of the other type of astral sex, I speak from experience.  While it can be immensely pleasurable, it will hold you back in the long run.

One of Robert Monroe's books refers to "the sexual pile."  (I believe it was "Far Journeys" but I'm not 100% sure)  It is a massive orgy where everyone is going at it but no one ever gets satisfied.  Many souls are drawn there, and who knows how long it takes to escape.  

Try saying no to this entity, regain control of yourself.

That's exactly the issue I have been dealing with.  Check out my posts.  I just started OBEing daily (thanks to my Holosync cd).  Now I'm seeing entities and stuff daily, and it's all much more real than before.  (like, as real as waking life)  I still have a little residual fear from a particulary scary encounter with a corpse in my hallway (see my post about dealing with fear).  I've been working on raising the frequency of my vibrations before liftoff.  This seems to help.  I haven't seen any baddies since the scary corpse, and in fact I have been contacted by two of my dead kitties (one a few days ago, and another today) and I've seen my father (died in 1984).  I think working on raising the frequency of your vibrations is the key to avoiding the negs and the lower astral.

Great thoughts.  I am going to focus on raising the level or frequency of my vibrations from now on and see where that leads!

Actually, that makes quite good and simple sense to me.  Thank you.  

Anyone else care to confirm?

I used to have that feeling all the time, like I was a tiny little stick figure inside a big puffy suit.  I eventually (years later) referred to it as the "Michelin Man" feeling.  I still get it every now and then.  I still don't know what it means, if anything...

Keep doing the focusing exercises.  Whichever ones keep you the most focused.  But the real trick is catching yourself on the verge of sleep.  That is when the separation occurs, vibrations and all, but usually you are unaware of it.  When it happens for real, believe me, you will have no doubt.

Whoa, creepy dreams Shaman!  I have a dear friend who also knows exactly when relatives are going to die.  I don't know that I would want that power!

All logic tells me I have no need to fear.  The corpse guy was not attacking me, and he didn't look mean, just lost (and ugh... bloody).  I think he had no idea where he was.  BUT... I think the trick is going to be, getting my conscious mind used to being STARTLED sometimes IN MY HOME by who knows what!  I think the startle factor is what I am reacting to most.  I have a new appreciation for kids wanting to sleep with a nightlight!  [:O]  The last time I was this creeped out was when my husband and I went to see "The Ring" (and that's the LAST scary movie I will ever go to, that's for sure!)(There's enough creepiness in the physical and astral worlds without having to recreate the creepiness on film!)  All that being said, I am doing better after having a couple of awesome travels after the dead guy one.  []

I feel kinda bad that my entrance to this board is focusing around this issue.  The astral travels themselves are what I really wanted to talk about!  *heavy sigh*  I'm not gonna talk about cd's anymore, but I may still share a travel or two from time to time if anyone cares to read it!  [:I]

Thank you!  []

I view all aids as training wheels, to be discarded once you reach your goal.  I agree, no one needs any aids to develop themselves, the power is all within.  The training wheels just shorten the process.  If you have the power to make your own training wheels, more power to you.  I can't argue with that and won't!

I wish I had not mentioned the cd's.  I wish no one had asked.  That is not why I signed on to this board.  I really just wanted to share my experiences, and get some opinions on how to deal with fear and the lower astral realm, hopefully from people who have been there a lot and have conquered their fears.  I was feeling so happy but lonely, so I reached out.  That is all.

Not necessarily, and the Monroe stuff isn't cheap either.  Well, Holosync worked for me right away whereas I've had my Monroe cd's for three years and they've never done this.  I also have a cd called "Just The Tones" from Brainwave Mind Voyages, I've had this one for two years and I've listened to it a zillion times.  Same result, none.  Regardless.  I'm not telling anyone to buy it, it doesn't matter to me, I just wanted to answer the question about what I am using.  

If you "slapped something together" that works, for free, why don't you tell people about it here, I'm sure everyone will want to know.  Everyone is looking for something that will really, truly help.

Btw, have you tried Holosync?  Are you speaking from experience?  Just curious.

As long as we are on the topic of aids, I also have a Novadreamer from the Lucidity Institute.  This worked fabulously well and gave me my first LD and lots after that.  After about six months though, your brain gets used to it, sadly.  It was $300.  I still pull it out of the drawer every now and then and try it but no use.  The nice thing about Holosync is that they have 13 levels so your mind can keep stretching after it gets used to the level you are on.  I plan to keep going with it, even though it's expensive.

So you can see that I have in fact spent quite a bit of money on this.  But I can't imagine a better addiction to have!  Especially when it finally pays off.

*edit* I see now that you have stated that you have done lots of research on this.  I'd love to hear more if you would like to share.  Also, again, I'm sure others would like to know what you did as well, and how it works for you!  And how they can do it for themselves!  I'm quite certain most people will want to know.

Your astral body cannot be destroyed.  Let go of revenge.  Don't waste your time and energy in the lower astral.  Work on raising your vibratory rate before projecting and focus on going into the higher realms.  Let go of all lower emotions first, though.  Good luck.

I have seen my boxer dog in the astral several times.  It's so cool.  And I just saw (and picked up and petted) my deceased cat this afternoon in a travel.  They definitely project and you will see them if there is/was a love bond.  Also I think William Buhlman describes a travel where he sees his beagle puppy.

Hi Kristina and Kitty!  (sorry about your kitty, Kristina)

This travel really compensated for the scary one.  I sure wasn't thinking about my kitty so what a pleasant surprise when she jumped on the pillow!  Since I started using these meditation tapes I've been able to OBE every time, no exaggeration.  So it is not surprising that it is getting more interesting.  I think the key was my saying "I project into a higher dimension."  I'm gonna do that every time now, you betcha.  I don't want to see scary guy ever again if I can help it!  I also plan to do energy raising techniques at nighttime.

Now that I'm projecting a lot, it's like a door has been opened that can't be closed (not that I would want to close it!).  Projecting is becoming more natural.  I'm sure I will have more good as well as bad experiences.  It is an exciting adventure!

Send me an e-mail if you are interested in the tapes/cd's.  I started writing up something about them but it sounded like I am trying to sell them and I am not.  I don't want anyone to think that.  I just reeeeeeally like them.  So e-mail me and I'll tell you all about it!

You are right.  The biggest thing was that he shocked me so bad!  And I didn't go to him, he was shuffling up to me.  I panicked!  Anyway... I had an awesome experience this afternoon which makes the bad experience look like nothing!  I will post it now!