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I gave up on preaching about meditation. My earliest posts left me a bit disillusioned about the overall attitude toward meditation in these forums. I truly appreciated the practices as described in "The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying" by Sogyal Rinpoche. There has been no other reliable way to AP as this for me and the practice has multiple benefits depending on how devoted you are to the practice.

That being said I am still struggling with "phasing" and will get back to pondering Franks PDF.

One should follow the path that looks good for oneself. I read the Tibetan Book if Living and Dying and it's a nice reading but lots of thing don't match with me. But it doesn't mean it is good or bad, it's just is not good for everybody, so don't struggle with the attitude of others...all roads go to Rome.

I am late for the game!!! I hope you are playing another round!!

You won't find a definition that everyone will agree upon. 

~Ryan

YEs I Know!!!... ...this is why I put the question

well, what I'm saying is, the actions done in meditation, or, when I meditate, are almost synonymous to phasing as well, really you could probably meditate and then phase based on your level of conscious awareness and physical relaxation. You could even say a deep level of meditation is bound to induce phasing at some point. Phasing is a shifting of awareness by placing focus on the area desired. When you meditate by taking focus away from the physical you are doing the same as in phasing, except phasing stresses additionally a focus to the area of consciousness desired. In phasing you are not going anywhere, you're simply choosing to view another area of consciousness. You already are where you want to go, you're simply choosing not to view it.

We need a definition of meditation...otherwise we are walking in circles. What is meditation and what is it used for? I think Frank had the same problem with the concept.

reading all of Frank's posts is also helpful because he goes into detail far more than in his resource guide on certain subjects- http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/profiles/frank-u359.html;sa,showPosts;start,2565 or http://www3.sympatico.ca/xanth18/FranksPosts.pdf

True, it's a very good reading.

I have have those hypnic jercks often. They happen when I am about to fall asleep, and I never related them to meditation. 

I think as long as every mental process is not "in the brain", dreams should exist where "astral projection" exists...the question should be "where" you are "existing" and how aware you are,...i.e when I am dreaming, I live in this dream world (it is reality for me) but I can be with low awareness of my surroundings and actions. You can use different names and create all the borders you want, but you can't map or even define consciouness...you can only describe how is your perception of it.

I tried scrying, but I blink a lot and move the eyes. Ganzfeld effect I think is not the same, yo can blink and move the eyes cause the point is the sensory deprivation not focusing in something...you are hacking the brain.

Interesting. Waiting for the next chapter.

I have read about Ganzfeld effect and it looks like it could be a tool to make phasing easier. Have anybody tried something with it?

nice chat to gossip 

how is Xanth a troll?

just kidding...somebody said he was a Troll and it sounded very funny to me...a troll with near 1500 posts.

Xanth, download Audacity, it is a very easy to use freeware audio recording program. That way you won't have to specifically communicate to others what you want when you can easily do so to your own tastes. I think you're intelligent enough to understand how to copy/paste selected audio segments with it. I do agree that constant practice in certain focus states will allow your subconscious to develop an understanding of how that focus state is supposed to feel which will allow for a faster focus into that state.

It's not only understanding how the feeling is, they say (TMI) you create the neuronal paths in your brain to go there, as any training.

Relaxing the entirety of the head is very tricky.  Let alone just the eyes.
It comes with practice.

~Ryan

Do you use any technique/trick to do so?

Last night I created a rundown in Astralpulse Island...and used a hollow pyramid (that huge useless pyramid in the middle) to force the 3D blackness by intention...I fell asleep inside. Found nobody there during rundown, I was alone in the island.

I don't like to post replies to Trolls...but anyway...It happened to me twice one night but only briefly because I was surprised. It was before I read anything about the stars field...later I have tried to no avail. I am not sure what is this, but if is 3D is "interesting". It happened to me in similar situation as you, I was drowsie and tired and not pretending to phase or meditate, just quieting my mind in sweet drowsiness.

yeah, I used audacity to lengthen some parts also as at times it feels like it is too rushed and doesn't leave you enough time to experience and enjoy some certain focus states. It's like now you're in focus xxx and then 10 seconds later hes moving on to the next focus already. Also do note you can improvise on what the tape tells you in anyway if you feel it will be better and you don't have to strictly follow exactly what it says.

He he..I used audacity too. I find the Cd's are for certain exercises. So for phasing are quite intrusive when start talking. For using at night I have eliminated the return to C1 at the end of the Cd's. As a training in perceive changes in awareness I find useful to use sometimes the exercise they give at Gateway that take you from  10 to 21 with a stop in each level.

which focus do you use for phasing purposes? I use 10 and now I am trying in 21. What I feel is in 21 is easier to "travel" with the mind but more difficult to stay away from physical body...I feel my body very much in 21 if I go straight to that level without staying in 10/12 for at least 20 minutes.

If you're using hemi-sync if you haven't already check out the wave 1 pointers post by Frank in permanent astral topics, it gives a guideline as to the depth of imagination that you should have as you follow along with it. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/gateway_wave_1_pointers_original_post_by_frank-t25243.0.html

Thank you. T tried to do the rundown as Frank says, but as I use different Cd's I had to change the rundown everytime so now I start the rundown once the cd leaves you in the free-flow period. I changed some exercises to make them longer (cut and paste) so I can have more than 1 hour for flying.

It reminds me of the good ol days back in the 90s on IRC before the modern internet was around.

Ha ha...it happened to me first time I joined there

I have some confusion with the blackness stuff too, maybe I am trying to rationalize too many things beforehand. Anyway, rundowns seems to be good for me so I'll keep working on it and playing with "pretending things" Moen's style.

I forgot to say I use Hemi-sync as a tool for phasing, so I find easy to quiet my mind to a decent level, get relaxed and quite focused within minutes.

My big TOE is a very interesting book for those seeking knowledge...Thomas Campbell's approach reminds me Frank's style

If I am not wrong Frank recomended to start with noticing and then rundown. I am sure I am loosing something.

You're using a limited term defined by humans in our limited understanding of this reality.
Unfortunately, that's comparing apples to oranges, in my opinion. 

So...what is the wider definition of energy?

mmm...maybe we have to define what we understand is energy. I use the physics definition or concept...with this concept, everything has energy but only energy=energy. Energy causes things to happen but things are not energy...¿maybe the concept or energy is the same as conscioussnes?

From my experiences(which I do add is very limited) doing nothing on any conscious level that you're aware of in f2 will make you fall asleep, doing any conscious activity in f2 then will keep your awareness and do.. the opposite yes. I would go so far as to say that rundowns are the essence of phasing, and nothing else is necessary, so trying to do a rundown is the same thing as trying to phase. I'm pretty sure when you put intention in the rundown it helped to focus on your rundown more which is why it was more effective.

Sure, with intention everything is more effective. But I didn't want to say placing intention in the rundown but in the "goal"...I mean, keep the intention of phasing while doing the rundown. It's like locking a target. Maybe it is obvious for most of you, but I just realized it. I am doing the rundown without placing a focused intent in phasing (just doing the rundown and waiting to phase), and maybe this is one of my pitfalls.