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And do you practice magick yourself?

no i don't but i am actually interested in that , can you guide me as to where should i start?? i am very much interested in the occult things... but have decided to learn it in near future .. what you say ? 

Ok, why don't you believe that Lord Shankar can protect you?

yes we do believe in him and probably because of  that we still have survived  

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Lord Vishnu


Aren't you Hindu? What gods do you believe in.

yup i am hindu, but for the tantras and mantras i mean for the dark/black magic subject only one god has the absolute power although others do have if you know and that he is Lord Shankar! but we do worship Lord Vishnu 

Merry christmas to all Thanks you both for your replys!

Hi CFT! ^ ^

A few questions if you dont mind me asking. So Magic only works if you believe in it? Im quite confused. Its not so much black magic but the type is Santarea/Voodoo.

you are absolutely correct... even if you don't believe in it , it does affect you, trust me, i have experienced it   

I wonder what must happening to those black/dark magic spell casters/practitioners .... in the meantime won't they create bad karma for themselves just because they are getting paid for ruining other people's life.? aren't they brought to justice by GOD?? 

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Those are good ideas.
Shri Krishna, I do think that there is black magic and that there can be effects from it, but when I read your initial description of events, I do think Xanth is correct in saying that your problem is that your father is using psychological intimidation on you- and it is working.
One of the most powerful countermeasures in any psychic self defense is the knowledge- absolute knowledge that you really can't be harmed physically.  Anything else is cream at the top of the pie, so to speak.
If you approach this with fear, you need to convince yourself that you are not in physical danger.

dude, trust me black magic exists in this world, if u deny it then the effects can be less but that doesn't mean that its going to stop working completely   

Shrikrishna,

1. When you feel anything bad and suspect a self-conscious entity, say something like: "Go away! I don't want you here and you don't belong here. Go now! You, who causes me trouble, go away!"

2. When you rest and think of your father, send your feelings of love to his heart, that will stop most of the bad effects.

3. If you OBE, ask for a guide, and if the guide shows up, ask what to do.

i think thats the best thing i can do right now 

Hi

Believe that Vishnu will protect you & your family & make it so.

are you talking about my father or the Lord Vishnu?? 

I think I've confused people in this thread enough already.

Nope... you haven't 

The purpose of my proposal was to cause Shrikrishna to have a centered mind. Shrikrishna is afraid of the "black magic". By doing some on self, the fear is cancelled out. There are paranormal effects of it too, but they should follow that same pattern. Its the paranormal version of reverse psychology.

i got what you said but i think its going to take sometime now ... may be a month or so.... so lets see how it goes for me.. but according to what you said earlier if there is a deadly spell is placed and if its not removed in time then i fear that it will affect both of us -the voodoo doll and me  is it? won't that create more problems? or is it that what i am thinking is wrong practically?

Shrikrishna, the best way to solve your paranormal problems would be to keep your mind centered and not resist those things you're afraid of. I'm not the first to say something like that, but I don't think that's practical for you since its been happening for so long. So instead, I'll tell you something I just thought of now designed to cancel out such things. You say the guy is really good at his "black magic". I don't like the word "magic" because it means theres no way to explain how it works, but I know what you're talking about. If you try to do the same thing back to him, you'll just make it worse, and I doubt you would expect it to have much effect since he's had so much practice at it. Instead, try dealing with the problem at its weakest point, which is: Why do the effects of his "black magic" go toward you instead of somewhere else or lots of places at once spread out and ineffective? Its targeted at a specific thing. If you don't look like that thing any more, it would go somewhere else, regardless of how powerful it is. So this is what I recommend (and I've never done this before, but I know enough paranormal things in general to predict what it would do)... Create a voodoo doll of yourself, which is simply a mental association of the doll and yourself that is strengthened over time. Make the connection really powerful until you get the feeling that if something happened to the doll it may be more likely to happen to you a little. Then burn and destroy the voodoo doll of yourself. Try to make all the bad things coming from that guy do their stuff to the doll of yourself. From what I understand about paranormal stuff, I'd expect that to reverse that guy's view of you and whatever he is doing. The bigger they come, the harder they fall. At least in theory.

But the best thing for you to do is stop resisting what he's mentally doing and let it pass through you without affecting you.

hm...... ok thats a very good idea... i wonder why i didn't thought about it earlier  anyways thanks a lot

I suggest you read this book right here: http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Psychic-Self-Defense-Handbook/dp/1571746390/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1293936043&sr=8-9

The above link is the book that will be released on Feb 1st
An older edition is: http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Psychic-Self-Defense-Understanding-Influences/dp/1571742212/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=IVHSQ1WWPJD1Z&colid=2APRMECRK9J88

thanks dude i am looking forward to buy that book 

Well, then I'm sorry... but, at the very least, I can't help you as long as you retain that particular belief.  My apologies.

As several people have already said to you in this thread... you control your own destiny.  Not someone else.
However, you have to choose to accept this as your reality.  What you're doing now is simply giving in.

hm...... its ok Xanth,, no problem .... i agree to what you say...

Hi Shrikrishna,

It's really unfortunate what has befallen you and your family.  I can tell you one thing though, none of which has happened to you is due to black magic.  This man has just really got into your head in a very psychological way... that needs to be cut off.  I don't believe the Astral Plane isn't going to help you here.

Basically, he's just being a complete jerk... but from what you say, he's doing it well within the limits of the law.  Unfortunately.
You'll need to find a more "physical reality" solution to your problems. 

I'm sorry we couldn't help you more.

Yes i agree to what you have said in the second paragraph... but i don't agree with what you have said in the first one... dude black magic does exist and when its cast upon you , your whole life is turned upside down.... i have seen and heard the same thing from many people...

I cannot help you much. But I will suggest you do yoga and meditation.

While black magic may exist, but like other members here have already said, the more you fear - the more the effect of these black magic may be.
Also, you said that you already had OBEs, and if you were not harmed during those OBEs, then why are you so scared now?

BTW, where in India are you from?

Hey Cyborg, I am from Goa, INDIA... but may i know the reason why you are asking??

I am trying to understand some of the things you are talking about, and I still don't understand.

How do you know your father cursed you and the rest of the family?

And why would he do this?  What is his purpose, what would he gain if something bad happened to you or your sister?

dude, this is long story short what i had told you....we stay in house which belongs to him and i mean that its registered in his name.. we
don't have any other house to live in .... he wants to stay with us to teach us a lesson it seems.... in 1983 year he took the power of attorney from my mother  of which my mother was not aware of then... ( in India its a rule that when a power of attorney is given to another person, then that another person has complete control over the belongings of the other person from whom it is taken) since then about 10 years ago he left our house with all the money which he had and he could have since then our sister looks after us.... then he started spreading grapevine that it was done by us purposely for the money thing.... again i must tell you that before all this happened we were Millionaires ...we did a project in Real Estate which was very much liked by the Indian Institute of Architecture (IIA) and we also received award for that... in our locality people fear him, they say his mind works like that of a small child.. always in a mood to fight with everyone... he has lots of extra marital affairs... his name is VISHNUDAS... many days earlier he used to sleep at his shop which is near to our home... then used to wake up at around 2.30am with something in his hand which he used to bury in the ground near our house...just outside our compound gate... all these 10 years we had lots of quarrels and fights in our house.... whenever we were thinking of doing any work or day today activities itself were taking lots of time.... he also got the black magic stuff reach my stomach due to which i started to grow thin and for sometime my mind stopped working but then it was removed and i am back to normal now.....he has also written letters stating clearly that he has killed so and so people from black magic from our own colony/society!!! we still have those letters... he has spread the news everywhere that today or tomorrow we will come to him begging for money and asking for forgiveness.... i want to know as to where he goes and does all this black magic things .... to me AP seems to be the only answer to stop him... by the way the most shocking thing to tell you is that he is 67yrs old!! but i am still confused whether to go AP or not because he has cursed us with so much of black magic that when as soon as i project i am not sure which ghosts or whose dead soul i am going to meet up there.... this is what is stopping me from doing  it. Won't the black magic have any effect on me in the astral plane? obviously it is going to have a bad effect, right??

thanks for concern CFTraveler and +Explorer+ .... yes we have seen and experienced the effects of black magic to a very large extent... my father himself cursed me so that that i become mad be get admitted to a mental hospital... we met many spiritual people , many curse removers may be which you people call them as witches they all tried their best but all failed.... after removing the curses and hexes and other black magic things we used to feel better for some days but we were back at the same old story.... there are some things i have seen in my life for which i have no words to explain , i believe even science cannot explain those things and trust even you won't believe(no offence please)...
as i said earlier i saw him in graveyard but i forgot to mention that it was in a dream but actually i feel it was my projection because i felt a falling down from e big height sensation , i usually project at night during sleep , sometimes also during afternoon night... just two dayz back i had a nightmare... In the dream the ghost was holding my left hand tightly was unwilling to leave me... that scared the **** out of me... i screamed a lot but was unable to get out of the dream state, this screaming was heard by my mother too... she tried to wake me up

but was unable to do so.... the witch we had consulted was telling us that our father has put up the soul of a dead pregnant woman after us to cause accidents to us and other physical loss.... my sister who is married and is residing in US is experiencing the same thing .... she met with two accidents first a major one and then a minor one... mostly at night i have many spontaneous projections ,,, i also see myself visiting a snake temple again and again and also see many snakes in pond... too many not just one...they don't bite me but they are just there... i also see many people visiting that temple .... i talked about it to many people but they tell us nothing to worry about it since they don't bite but some said that its the created of my father,, my mother knew all my father's wrong doing even before i was born, that he was into islamic black magic.... still today he has been ... by the way we are hindu by religion and a bramhin by caste..... i am very sorry if i am hurting anybody's religious sentiments but friends please don't get me wrong.. this is the truth what i am telling you..... so my request to CFTraveler is that when you project yourself do see my current condition and the pain we are going through if its possible for you .... sorry again for a long post ... thanks again for those points u mentioned

thanks a lot everybody .... but still i am expecting more replies to this post ....

thats sweet of you Tiny! but please help me answer my question should i go for astral projection or not??

 
PLEASE PEOPLE HELP ME HERE, I AM IN URGENT NEED OF HELP..... ok let me gimme my short intro... I am a 20yrs old guy... my parents got separated from each other when i was just 10yrs old... from then onwards i live with my mother.... i have no contact with him since then but my parents have are not divorced... now the real problem starts here.. my father is into black magic for over 10 yrs now... he is cursing us our whole family now for more than 10years..... i have lost hope in life... we tried our best to sort out this problem but nothing is helping us... he has carried out all kinds of black magic upon us but don't know how we have survived till date.... it looks like a miracle to us.... we are very much emotionally disturbed....now i feel me and my family's only chance to get out of this is Astral Projection... do u think it is advisable for me to learn this astral projection in this type of situation?? also till date i had many out of body experiences ... not to mention that once i saw my father in graveyard at around 3.00am with another person doing nasty things targeting us.... so my question to u is should i go for astral projection? will i have any problem there , because i have read many books on astral projection and i am scared that because of my vibrations i many end up in lower planes, this is what is scaring me from trying to do it.... so people please help me, please serious genuine replies only.... sorry for a long post .... Thank you.