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Thank you also Adrian,

Enjoyed Silver Birch immensely, our use of language and correctness of terms, is a conditioning, which we are used to.  Being petty as one described , in this forum, is a very useful way to object to some truth, which on the larger scale is a means also.

To me, just living in a physical body proves that i am on a spiritual journey, again a term only.

And maybe we are here, in preparation to leave.

Death is a physical certainty.

If only one could start a death fund, you know, similiar to a superannuation fundhttp://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_clown.gif" border=0>

Anyways, thanks again Adrian.
Paola

I also wonder about medication, the person i knew ,was on antidepressents which are considered sane by society.

So many people take these now a days.
So many young school kids too.
Sad  
regards,
Paola

Hi there,

Yes, i have  had obes since i was small child, wasnt till i was about 20 years of age that i read some material about it.
Paola

Hey alpha,

I dont know much on this topic, but have often wondered.
Went to funeral of a hanging not so long ago.
I have a deep feeling it is an act of courage, some say weakness.

But i have read that it can be a drive of previous memory.

Like repeting itself, till the lesson is learnt.

They are loved also.  Special care for these cases , as i understand.

Bless them for their courage.
Paola

Patty,
Interesting.
You could push yourself out with your arm?

I had a side exit once and when i tried to push myself up, my arm went straight thru the bed, and i could lift a plastic bag which is shoved under my bed.  The smell of plastic was excruciating.
So do you mean, pushing yourself out with physical arms? or maybe both is possible, physical and astral?
Thanks
Paola

Young ancient,

That brought tears to my eyes.  Gonna have to read it a few times.
Thanks

Wow Frank,
And everyone,
What a good read.  From my obes,frank, i sense what you are saying.
Thanks
Paola

Hey nitetravler,

Hey, your the first person i have come across, that has read any Lobsang Rampa.  Sweet.
Paola

I wonder about inducing obes with outside substances.
We cant handle them to well awake, makes me think it would be similar in the astral.
But can i ask, if i even have one alcoholic drink, it interfers, anyone else have this?
Like if im offered a drink, i have to answer according to what my night plans are.  
Paola

The funny side,

They say that illusion takes form, changes and disolves, and that reality always exists.
We are masters of illusion, and have all agreed to participate.

And the greatest illusion is that some have more than others and the war begins.
All the details are just the intensity level of the illusion.
The death and destruction serves a purpose, creates a need to try another method en mass.
Death they say is also an illusion, and when i obe, i feel i can survive outside my body.
So who is killing who?

Lets get out of that energy.
Paola.

But joe,
As i understand it, we operate with 4th dimension now, TV, radio, ex rays etc.?
No?
And antagonist, i dont spoil easily.  lol

Paola

Hiya all,

This theory of one dimension operating the lower and so on, is not that new to science. Maybe finally they are recieving the proof they require.

I have read a little about a theory of the crop circles.
And that is, that mankind operates  on a Base 10 mathematics and discoveries are calculated this way.
The crop circles are asking us to look for a Base 12 mathematics, and that we would find more answers regarding reality this way.

How inspiring!
Any ideas anyone?
Paola

It seems like from all your posts, that this electric sparks thing has a condition.
Doesnt seem to be present all the time in obes.  I wonder.

Maybe frank, alive with energy is right, a presence maybe? maybe not.

A state reached maybe?

And nitetravler, how cool is that,  i find that looking forward to leaving the planet with grand curiousity makes living so easy.  Seems a dicotomy, one to smile about.  Hope you feel what im saying.

Keep up the good work!

Paola.

Tisha, nightravler, frank,

Well, i was in the middle of this obe, real time, in my house, not coming or going, but the electric sparks were in the air, numerous, and this deceased person recognised them and spoke as if they had their own identity.  

I touched a wall and got electricuted. I saw them and felt them.
It seemed to me that these sparks accompanied the dead people. Only a feeling i got.

Thanks, nightravler, i will check robert petersons information.
Sometimes i think i could permanently be out of my body, oh well, have to wait for death.
Paola

Time in the astral,
Interesting!
Must relate to the time available that we give.  Is it not, that the astral is the ever present now, just translated to linear time?
Paola

Science is in a dicotomy, like all things.
It has to be open to expect new information, but at the same time the rules of the box apply.
Could it be that science is always one or two steps behind , like evolution has shown time and time again?
like surely reality comes first then science.
And then there is channelling.  I have read channeled information for years and have sprung and grown like a flower.  In this world a rare thing.

Aint it sweet to be alive right now and conscious of it.  lol

Paola (alfa_33au)

Amir,

Oh funny,

Intriguing at the same time.
I must say, one million, sounds like poor wage
.
The real time zone thought is a good start,  seems to me like possibily a way to prove it.
Im not so sure about the other planes though.

Few more million maybe?

Go Robert, you can do it.  I will pray for you.

Paola (alfa_33au_

Frank,

I have heard voices and conversation on a few occassions, upon leaving the body.  I thought it may have been a recording, so to speak,of the days events,  
Told one woman i heard once, to shut up, in doing that, they disappeared.
Then the vibrations began.  
So the voices seem to come just before the vibrations.  hmmm.

Any insight anyone?

Paola

Frank,

Could it be, that you were having an obe while lucid dreaming.  Some say the two are different, but i feel unless you are conscious upon leaving, you can end up anywhere without the leaving sensations.

I had a an experience where i just went to sleep,was not attempting to obe, then i  recall my feet operating the pedals of my car (like the start of a dream), as i tried to sync the clutch and accellerator and the car moved off, i started to become conscious and found myself in bed trying to separate from my body, loud ringing began and i knew then what was happening.

Unfortunately, i could not dislodge my head area and i was at a 45 degree angle from my body. I became very tired trying.

My question is, i have never heard of  or considered trying this car pedal method.  Came out of the blue.  Is someone or something helping me?

Thanks Paola

Richk,

In my experience , some of my lucid dreams turn into obes mid way.
Im sure the two are related. Maybe one can lead to the other.
Paola (alfa_33au)

Blue light mystic,
Nice to hear your experience.
I easily get into the vibrational state.
Give up sometimes, due to tiredness and ear ache  lol
I have had obes regardless, just learning the self induced ones.

But im going to keep going this way, cause i know its up to me.
Paola,  (alfa)

Frank,

Hey, maybe in a way my partner and i did communicate.  In the obe i described to you, i also felt drained and blurry tired eyes.  I remember reading a part in Robert Bruce's book about staying 20 feet away from the body and that tiredness and pull back to body would occurr if not far enough away.  Could be this?

One other i had, i must have been rolling out , cause i tried to push my self up with my arm on the bed and it went straight through.  So it was a novelty for a while, up, down with my arm.  Funny.

I was also lifting this plastic bag with asssorted contents that ive stuffed under my bed.  The smell of plastic was so strong.

As for the advice about the music.  Just the information i need to hear.
Shame i love that heavy metal.  Modern day poetry.
Im going to cut down my intake.  lol

Thanks for the reply Frank.

Paola(alfa_33)

Frank,

Your explanation of your experiences are gratefully received.
Fantastic.
I have had a few real time obes and one in particular, i commanded myself from the ceiling of my house, to return to tell my partner.
As soon as i thought this, i returned, then spoke to him.  He answered me.

What appeared strange, was that i didnt wake first, was all one process.
Ever experienced this? or know what it may be?

Paola. (alfa)

Sud sprint

Hey Andy,

What did you mean about (im looking back quite a ways here), as in distance from your body?
As for the noises, yes i hear activity also, like you.
I must say, though , the light bulb and the bedroom door, sound symbolic to me, of spiritual invitation.  The calling of your name stands out to me also.
As for my conscious re-entry, made me thing of the nature of obes.
My partner has endured my stories of obes for 20 years, but does not partake.  I think fear of its reality for him is a factor.
But, yes i have had an experience where i found myself in obe with my partner and my daughter, i felt we were not in real time.
I was trying to tell them that we were having an obe together and to follow me, they did, but i could tell they were not conscious of it, funnily enough they were listening to me and followed.
Only other thing i noticed of possible significance was that i suggested we go through this ceiling in a building (the thought of - ok, its made of concrete, in an instance i got stuck in the concrete ceiling , then remember wakeing in my body.
They did not recall any of it.

Could you help me with your experiences?
Thanks, Paola (alfa_33au)