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Perhaps you should try Phasing. I say this because phasing is not like traditional OBEing with waiting for the vibrations. With phasing you just jump right into active visulization and mentally placing yourself in a mental location and engaging as many senses as possible. The more often you do this, day by day, the easier it becomes. The easier it becomes, the more quickly you get better at it day by day, until after so much practice, you should be able to phase out of body in times as little as 5 minutes because it will become so easy for you to create full visualizations in your mind that you easily engage yourself in..... You could build this skill up to near mastery with daily practice in a month, atleast.

Imo, traditional/Classic OBE methods don't really give the OBE'er much control to develop his ability and a lot of it is reliant upon your autonomic body functions such as waiting for your body to fall asleep. Phasing, is a skill you can more fully control and build up.

Thank you for the great responses.  I do not blank out, though I do have blank spots in my childhood.  I go from being an actor to an observer.  My sight becomes a little bit fuzzy.  It's kind of like I am watching t.v. and it is me but not me. Under great stress, I do blank out.  I can drive from A-B and not remember the drive.  Or I will come to awareness not reccognizing where I am.  I used to lucid dream all of the time as an escape.  Anyhow thanks again. I was not meaning to turn it into a mental discussion

Ahh but mental discussions can be good as they can shed new light on various topics directly related to this forum that haven't been talked about before.

I find it pretty much impossible to take scientific information back from the astral. It all makes sense when I'm there but as soon as I get back and start writing I'm like trimethylchloro...damnit I've forgotten all the details.

Haha, well, there are certain substances to help you better remember "Dream" or astral experiences...norepinephrine(Take L-Tyrosine which is it's precursor[along with being a precursor to dopamine] and can be found cheaply online) has a direct correlation to remembering dreams... Like I take 5-HTP(which is a precursor to serotonin) at night time to help my depression, but one of the side effects of it is that it makes my dreams EXTREMELY(scarily) vivid. I also noticed it makes phasing and getting the imagery going very easy. It's not really relying on it to phase...it's serotonin, and some people are deficient in it(like me with my depression issues).

It also explains why people have different memory of and ease of starting astral experiences, how much their remember, how vividly they remember, etc, all comes down to the chemical balance in the brain.

Wtf? That's exactly what I've been seeing..... In my initial phasing earlier today I saw maggot filled phases, beings in hoods, then I started seeing numerous "grey aliens". I hear they OFTEN visit the astral here on earth... and I'm kinda paranoid about them being in my room haha, oh well, Id like to see them do something if they are there.
(not to hijack your topic, but)
I a saw a circular alien spacecraft, a light coming from the bottom of it like a tractor beam... then I saw multiple grey aliens and such.... and it's odd because I haven't thought about grey aliens in over several months, so I didn't just start thinking of it.... and all this is only after 2 minutes of closing eyes, not clear images, but I could vaguely see them.

I felt I should post, because I thought it was weird we both see faces full of maggots and other terrifying images that are similar to that. :/.

They kind of startle me out of my phase focus by randomly popping up also.

Astral316, instead of responding to each individual quote I will agree with you. Maybe anger does accompany hate and my bliss is just transcending it. I don't feel any compulsive anger in these situations where I want to take action against someone else.

If you're basing rationality on social laws and restrictions, that's a poor way to live, in my opinion. I do not believe all laws are fair and just. I believe many are quite restricting. My philosophy is we should all get to live and do anything we will as long as it is not intruding on another persons personal wellbeing, health, property, etc. If I want to do cocaine in my house I should be able to do so. If it gets to the point where I am doing things that harm others, then of course I should be punished.

Fearing punishment of laws for taking just action that was not fufilled by courts in order to save others lives is not irrational if you are able to evade it. (and yes I understand rage/anger/hate may be a motivator in vengeance etc)

It's like, fearing going outside because you 'may' have a tree fall on you. Are you going to say because there is potentiality for something to happen that may interfere on your ability to live and survive that the action of going outside is irrational?

The same thing applies to actions that go against various laws. There is always a risk of getting hurt with everything you do, whether small or large, therefore based on what you said about irrationality being breaking a laws, living itself is irrational. I could even say eating that cheeseburger is irrational because it may give you a heart attack.

Ok, well perhaps I might be misunderstanding/misinterpretting hate. Though, when something bothers me so much that I say I hate it, It usually does not accompany an intense rage, or even a disturbance in my blissful feeling. Maybe it's just when I truly despise something, which there are a lot of things I do. I haven't felt anger in a long time, but scenarios that used to make me "angry" in the past, no longer disturb my blissful feeling that I maintain; yet, my mental response in accordance to my thought is the same.

For instance:If someone felt up my girlfriend/wife a few years ago, I would get pretty angry and probably beat the crap out of them. Now, I would maintain my blissful feeling, and still have the desire to beat the crap out of them.

In both situations, I maintain saying that I hate the person, while in the latter, I experience no intense emotional rage or anything of the such, just what I call peaceful hate.

What else would you describe this as? Feeling happy yet still feeling the desire to beat the crap out of someone for what they did? When before all my meditation practice, this would have made be very "angry", yet still made me want to beat the crap out of them?

Only emotion and inadequate brain capacity can assist an irrational decision such as murder. I doubt you think yourself mentally handicapped, so which emotion would prompt such behavior? Is it maybe a feeling that you are "suppose to" hate so you're "suppose to" want to carry out the hypothetical revenge murder? I think CFTraveler could be right again with the term "dissociation."

The fact that you call murder irrational means you don't understand the true nature of human psychology. There is no such thing as rational or irrational. They are all dependent upon brain mechanics, subjectivity, etc. No one said I would have to avenge a hypothetical murder of my family, but of course I have some emotional motivator. You might see it as an irrational action, but here is my reasoning: If someone is willing to murder your whole family and then they manage to get away with it and not be tried in court, yet you know who they are, would you let them go on the streets and live to commit more crime? Knowing they could very easily be murdering another innocent family. (Perfect example of this is the movie Law Abiding Citizen).

Anything can be rationalized on some level or another and it's all really dependent on the core emotional motivators of a person, reasoning, etc. Nothing is inherently irrational, for rationality is subjective to the human experience and perception.

An emotion is a subjective experience so you're contradicting yourself. Of course, one can use logic and mental exercises to control certain emotions but that's different.

I have to disagree with you on this. No one is emotionless at any level(not that you said they are). Emotions guide every decision you make whether you are aware of it or not. The subtleness of emotions stretches to the depths of the mind. It is impossible to make ANY decision without emotion being involved on some level. For logical action to be taken, there must be an emotional motivator at some level or another. Or something must be programmed as in the case of a robot. Logic always is accompanied by emotion on some level. You may realize this if you ever experience intense rage, sadness, depression, etc. They change your 'rationality'. It just shows that there is no such thing as true rationality. Your emotional state effects every choice you make, rational to us is what society has deemed, or what your normal emotional state might be.

People who can control their hate let it go. Honestly most of this paragraph would make more sense if the words "anger" and "hate" were switched.

Again, there are apparent reasons for taking actions against someone who has wronged you, mostly to prevent it from happening to you or someone else in the future. You say this is not controlling hate? My perception is someone who doesn't do something about it, isn't controlling their fear or intimidation. Which of us is wrong? And looking back at the previous case and point, subjectivity. Neither of us are truly wrong, for no action is inherently rational or irrational.

hate is separation, it's a constricting dark emotion that moves you further from the light.

Where is your proof, evidence, or at the very least your reasoning?

I can understand hate being separation, separation from that which you are hating. Please clarify how it moves you further from the light exactly. I understand light to be spiritual energy, purifying almost. You say it moves you further from "the light" as if "the light" is a singular thing, an entity almost. Please explain

The thing is that when you describe 'hate' it looks more like judgement,  discernment and disapproval, and that is not what hate is-  It is human and healthy to see a person or situation, make the judgement that whatever they are doing isn't 'right' in one way or another, and not approve. Once again, this doesn't sound like hate to me.  I think young people today (OMG I just dated myself) confuse disapproval with hate- hate is an intense emotion that is the same as anger but multiplied- the desire to see someone else hurting.  It does affect the hater more than the hated, unless the hated is physically or emotionally hurt from it.  Genocide is the result of hate.  This is what hate does.
It is physically impossible for someone to hate someone else and not be negatively affected by it.  

Though, I would be willing to engage in genocide against the ones I hate. Whether it is a wise, intellectual decision or not is totally subjective, which I don't think it is.

You don't kill people out of disapproval. Like I said, if someone murdered my family, I would not get angry at them, though I would hate them. Chances are I would be willing to shoot/kill them too. You may think this makes me a sadistic person, or a psychopath. Though my philosophy is based around lex talionis, atleast in extreme cases(as in someone murdering my family). Most little things I would let go and forgive people, but there's a line. I try to forgive people as often as possible, but there is a certainly a limit in my opinion.

I don't grow to hate someone or something easily. For me to hate someone requires some serious wrong doing on my behalf. This is why I think ones frequency of vibrations, whatever this is interpreted as, is independent of emotions or actions, but is dependent upon how the emotion or action effects ones subjectivity.

This is exactly what I'm trying to explain... that hate.... the same hate that spawns genocides and makes people want to kill others, is independent of anger. While anger does not always accompany hate as there are certain levels of anger, uncontrolled hate always accompanies anger. Which is why you can easily misinterpret hatred as being a very intense raging emotion because that is all most people ever observe it being. When this is only the case in people with lack of control of their hate. I have experienced anger out of uncontrolled hate, but I have learned to let my happiness be independent of my hate, so the 2 can accompany each other and not diminish my well being.

Hm so the more I focus on extreme physical relaxation while focusing on a various scenery then I will be able to fade in and out of this pseudo-lucid dream more quickly so the speak?

I guess my relaxation skills are just...crappy haha.

and from that lucid dream I can just will myself to a real location...? This is why there may be things that I see generated unwillfully by my subconscious? How do I stop these unwillful projections?

In what way?  When you feel anger, you are not satisfied with another person or situation because the conditions are not to your approval.  But how is hate different than anger?  Please explain.

By hate I mean an overall hatred/intellectual disgust with something. I can hate someone or a group for doing something but that does not mean I am angry at them. To me, anger accompanies more negative 'feelings', anger is what causes health issues, high blood pressure, etc, hate does not. Anger is more of a momentary stress-based reaction.

I disagree completely.  As part of a competitive capitalist society, we are told ever since we're young that we have to be better than our (brother/sister/cousin/playmate) and this goes on all throughout our education.  We are graded in comparison to each other, and we are always told that we have to be better, and emotionally (and sometimes physically punished) when we don't want to compete.  Children are often punished by violence when they act violent towards each other, and then made to feel guilty when they express their anger.
Our society does not nurture our positive human emotions, they nurture competition, and make fun of people who care and love, hence the expressions "tree huggers" and animal right activists are considered some sort of cartoon characters.  Anyone who expouses peace and love are called "fluffy bunnies", etc.

Yes I do see what you mean when you say society encourages competition, but this is not what I meant. When was the last time you walked into a store or anywhere and were instantly greeted with intense hate and anger? It rarely happens, because OUR society can not function like this. One could easily imagine up a society where constant and persistent hateful emotions are required to participate in said society, but something like this happening on its own is unlikely.

It is known that when anger and hate aren't properly dealt with it causes all kinds of diseases in the body like ulcers, high blood pressure and even cancer- maybe some say "it lowers vibration" because it's the anger we feel when things don't go right.  It's  a label, based on observation.

It is true, anger does cause "all kinds of diseases in the body like ulcers, high blood pressure and even cancer" VERY TRUE.
Hate, does not. You must take into account what about anger causes these things.... stress. Hate, does not have to be with stress. I can be in a state of pure bliss and still hate something. To me, hate is an intellectual decision based off reasoning and choice. Anger is a reaction from the inability to handle the inconviencies that has come up. It's biologically and functionally impossible to be in a state of bliss while being angry. While it is EXTREMELY possible to exist in a state of bliss while having intense hatred for things, yet while being perfectly relaxed and having no stress. Stress is what causes those problems you have stated above. Anger is a form of stress in my opinion.

I disagree, and it goes back to the first question I asked.  Anger is a natural emotion that happens when things don't go right- it is a reaction like any other emotion- but hate is what happens when anger is not addressed in some way- hate is the application of anger towards negative action- to hate someone is to wish them harm, or to be driven to do harm, and there is no healthy hate.  It is like someone said- "taking poison and hoping it kills the other person".
There is healthy anger, and if channeled properly anger can be used to improve conditions so that this frustration is not felt any more, but hate has nothing productive about it, and the key here is survival.
Society doesn't decide what emotion is right and what emotion is wrong, evolution does.  An organism who can't take an emotion like anger and channel it to improve their conditions, and instead let it turn into hate, has less chances or surviving in the long run.

I can be happy and still be hateful to someone. Or hateful about something. I can have a smile on my face and feel good with my emotions and tell someone that I hate them, or I have hate for them, or I have hate for something they did. This, is healthy hate, healthy in terms of the absence of biological stress on the person doing the hating.

While anger IS a reaction to when things don't go right, it is merely a form of stress. Through much meditation I find that I no longer get angry about things. This does not mean I can not develop hate off a willful decision. If someone murdered my family right now, I would not get angry, though I would hate them. Anger is a stress based biological response, hate is a viewpoint towards something based on reasoning. When was the last time you saw someone who was "Angry" with a non-fake smile on their face? Never, because it is impossible, it is a conflict of emotions. Now, all the time I see and meet people who hate other things while maintaining happy moods and attitudes. See where I am going?

Now, you're saying feelings and emotions are separate things, if so then please classify how I have differentiated anger and hate above because perhaps I may have confused my mind on the difference between the words "feelings" and "emotions".... but it's very clear that there IS a difference between anger and hate.

Also, I'll admit that my description on vibrations it sort of lacking... though the way I see it, I tend to see someone exhibiting blissful feelings, overall being more in control of their being as having higher vibrations. Anger, makes people lose control, or lowers their control level. Hate does not. Though this does NOT mean that someone can't be angry and hate someone at the same time. This is what I talked about so much in the first post.... Anger is the result of uncontrolled/unmanaged hate as a result of that area of the brain not being well developed and the person can't handle the hate and it's associations. Think of it this way, if you overload ANYTHING, it's going to be stressed. Anger is a stressful response. Hate is an intellectual decision, or a choice based on whatever reasoning. Anger is the result of loosing control of that hate and your overall well being. This type of example can be applied to many 'positive' emotions, though I just have a hard time imagining how since I haven't seen it... as the human capacity to handle 'positive' emotions is much much stronger and more developed and I haven't really seen a stress response from it because of the aforementioned reason... it's in our genes and our evolution. We have evolved to naturally handle positive emotions better so there is not a stressful response. Biologically, it is extremely possible to receive a stressful response 'positive' emotions if the given biological circuitry promotes the situation.... This fact can't be argued because I mean... it's mechanics.... it's just not likely to happen in humanity due to the aforementioned reasons....etc

Humans are naturally not as efficient at handling 'negative emotions' such as hate, resulting in a stressful reaction known as anger.

Great replies, I understand clearly now.

One more question on phasing in general...... Is it any different from a lucid dream experience in the astral? Or does it function differently..?

I've ALWAYS had trouble falling to sleep. I've never been able to sleep in class EVER despite tiredness(which I contribute to anxiety) and if I try to go to bed not tired it takes me hours to fall asleep. I've never been able to have a WILD. I've woken up for a few seconds and began counting as you would with a wild about dreaming, and about 300-400 numbers later I'm still awake...lol. This might have to do with my inability to effectively relax. I'm not sure....

But Xanth... how do you differ Phasing between focusing on something then merely falling into a lucid dream as you focus? Is that all phasing is? Falling into a lucid dream through conscious focus... ignoring your physical senses enough until your body falls asleep..?

I apologize in advanced for the length of this, but I feel it was necessary to fully get my point across.

So it seems to be the general idea that hatred lowers the frequencies of ones vibrations and such. I figure I would put my point of view out there and see what others think about it.

To me, hate is just another human emotion. Hate, is different from anger. I think people seem to get the idea that hate lowers vibrations because of how hate is generally percieved/affects most people. My stance is, hate is a very powerful emotion, meaning it can cause extreme instability in those who can't effectively handle it and therefore LEAD to lower vibrations. One who has enough control, for example, through a lot of meditation, can better handle such a power emotion without letting it lead to impulsive destructiveness. The same goes for anger, sadness, etc, any other emotion.

The reason most people are unable to handle hatred and other negative emotions is because it is neglected all our lives.... because of how it is viewed from a political and societal viewpoint. Our society is founded upon peace and tranquility and hatred accomplishes practically nothing IN THIS SOCIETY AND WAY OF LIFE. Imagine a society in which the foundation is hatred(I am not saying this is "good"), where hatred is synonymous to happiness and peace in our society. It's all subjective. In this type of society, peace and love is neglected and so for millions of years the biological organisms of that society develop to deal with their primary emotions, hatred and other negatives, etc. Because of how their brains are developed, emotions like happiness would not be handled well and would therefore lower their vibrations.

What I am getting at is vibrations are independent of emotions, yet because of our biological development and evolution, our bodies naturally function in a way that hatred and other negative emotions lower our vibrations because of the complexity of our brain areas that deal with them. Our brain areas related to positive emotions are MUCH more complex and stable and therefor can more easily distribute the power in positive emotions, making it healthy for the body. The same applies for hate, but the power and energy of hate originates from the same place of body/brain as the other emotions(obviously), therefor are similar in power and this poweful emotion attempts to traverse such an underdeveloped circuit in the brain which can lead to disastrous effects on the body.There is such a thing as healthy hate, but it is rare in the average person because of the aforementioned reasons. Vibrations are all about energy.... Think of it as....humans can withstand a certain amount of electricity without being harmed, but for much smaller underdeveloped animals, that same amount of electricity can cause damage because they are not developed enough.

I don't think any particular emotion lowers ones vibrations, but inability to handle the mechanics of the emotion and the strength of the emotion in general is what leads to lower vibrations.

Sure someone with extremely powerful vibrations does not easily experience hatred or anger, but I think this is because of the emotional detachment from the physical realm that is formed through extremely high vibrations, meditation in general,etc... causes hatred to be pointless in general, and they have an overall bliss that transcends happiness and pretty much all emotions in general......REMEMBER, BLISS IS A HIGHER VIBRATORY 'FEELING'... while it's not technically an emotion, more of a state of mind resulting from electrical activity in the brain. Happiness is on the same vibratory level as hatred, but again, it's all about how we handle the emotion in our brains. People tend to think lots of meditation makes them happy, sort of, but not really. While lots of meditation makes the happiness emotion stronger, it also makes hatred stronger, though what people are mainly experiencing from extended meditation is BLISS. BLISS IS NOT AN EMOTION. Emotions come from chemicals. Bliss comes from the electrical activity and balance brought on by those chemicals. Meaning electrical synchronicity can be better formed by positive emotions because of that area of the brains development, while negative emotions can lower vibrations and synchronicity of the brains electrical activity BECAUSE of that area of the brains development. Meaning if the hatred area of the brain was as developed and structured as the happiness area then hatred as an emotion would also result in extreme synchronicity in brain electrical activity resulting in bliss from hatred, therefor higher vibrations.

From what I've perceived and understand, people come to the conclusion that Hatred and other negative emotions lower ones vibrations because of the observed association..... It's kind of like saying, not brushing your teeth directly causes your teeth to rot and build up plaque, etc.... but this is not the case. It is not neglecting to brush your teeth that causes plaque to build up, but the fact that there is grimy filth on your teeth. The fact that you don't brush your teeth has nothing to do with tooth rot etc, what it does have to do with is if you clean your teeth in some general method. This may not be the best example, so I may edit the post and try to think of a better one.

...more or less it's like saying because {this} is very closely associated with [this] through |this| than {this} and [this] are directly connected, when this is not the case because |this| is directly involved.
Now you can try to fill in the blanks are such:
{this} = Hate/Other Negative emotion
|this| = Person with inability to effectively handle/deal with {this}
[this] = Negative vibrations.

See what I'm getting at?

The same applies to all the "positive" emotions. Yes they can raise vibrations but this is because of the human ability to deal with them. Hate and other 'negative emotions' can also produce positive feelings if delt with effectively, but when delt with inefficiently they can result in negative feelings because of the negative associations and the overwhelming power of the emotion. Also, I should clarify, Negative Feelings, and Negative Emotions are 2 totally different things. Negative feelings are a human experience. Negative emotions are a classification based on Negative feelings, which is inaccurate because no emotion is Negative or Positive in nature, most people just classify them as negative or positive emotions based on the feeling they create in most individuals, WHICH IS FAULTY REASONING, because an emotion is no longer negative if it produces positive feelings.

High vibrations have to do with Positive FEELINGS, not Positive Emotions. Positive emotions though often result in positive feelings, as Negative emotions often result in negative feelings which negative feelings are of lower vibrations. What people aren't accounting for is the intermediate, the middle man so to speak. There is no such thing as positive or negative emotions, only positive and negative feelings. Negative Feelings = Low Vibrations. Negative Emotions can be high or low vibrations depending on the person. People tend to get emotions and feelings mixed up and this is one of the BIGGEST MISTAKES. There's no such thing as negative or positive emotions, only negative and positive feelings, and simply emotions. Whether an emotion produces negative or positive feelings is subjective to the person and their ability to handle the emotion.

To much of any energy can have negative results, overstimulation, etc. It has to do with the power that accompanies hate and how we deal with it in comparison to the power that accompanies... say compassion and how we deal with it mentally.


Please respond with your opinions and WHY you believe so. If you simply respond with your opinion and say that I am wrong while providing no sort of reasoning then I will ignore your post completely because I don't have time to argue with someone who founds their ideas on nothing.

Sorry for the essay(lol), I'm just trying to fully get my idea across and hopefully those who are open minded will think about it and what I have said.

So... I completely understand the concept of phasing, how to do it, how to engage and activate your imaginary senses, etc...

Though, when the full 'switch' is made, what changes about the perceptions, more specifically sight? When I am actively imagining and feeling the scenary and engaing my sense, I don't actually see anything, but I can mentally feel and sense the outlines of things, as if I were mentally picturing a door in front of me.... my basic question is when the switch is made, what happens to the vividness of the image?

Does it become vivid as a dream would? As an OBE would? As reality would? Or do I just get the feeling that I am in this imagined body participating and not actually SEEING anything as I would in a dream/LD/OBE?

Out of all the post I have read this isn't really clarified... Like do colors become vivid in the sense that I actually SEE everything in full detail as an OBE would?

Then how was I able to luckily feel them for a split moment yesterday? It felt like i was taking off in a rocket ship and I was halfway out of my body but my excitation at the new feeling knocked me out of my progress.

If I was getting to the point where I could exit then I would have already because I am very very skilled at the visualization techniques that have built up from years of practicing them via energy work...I can basically replicate any bodily movement or touch sensation mentally and mentally feel it, not physical though, which is the essence of almost all the exit techniques.

I looked at the guides and techniques and I laughed because I am far more skilled at these techniques than the guide. I do remember when it was difficult developing them, but I should have no problem exiting if I can get into a stable vibrational state... which I need help with. I exhausted all of my resources before coming here to post. Having viewed atleast a thousand+ articles I could find on astal projection.

Also, I'll add, when I reached that vibrational state somehow for a split second yesterday, my eyes started flying around in my skull rapidly as if in REM sleep... which is normal since the eyes are the only muscle not paralyzed during full body paralysis... Though during that vibration I had yesterday I wasn't paralyzed... just seemingly cold, numb,... and well vibrating like an earthquake. :/?

Edit:

Should I just keep vividly replicating all senses of being at a certain location and holding them in my mind as long as possible until I phase... I mean I have no problem holding a clear mind and mentally feeling sensations vividly... so holding the image and mental-physical sensations of all 5 physical sesnses long enough will just eventually.... phase me there?

I have been attempting to get into the vibrational state for long periods of time but I have trouble doing so.

First let me fill you in on some of my background information: I have been doing energy work with my chakras and aura including void/awareness meditation for around a year now. I am able to hold a perfectly clear/focused mind for extended periods of time ranging from 20 minutes to 2 hours with no wondering thoughts... this is from intense meditation over the months.

I have intense visualizations skills from doing much energy work. I am able to more or less "see" with my minds eye any place I have been... meaning I can like... mentally place myself there, though I can not actually see any colors, it's more of a perfect mental picture. I am also able to replicate bodily movements through visualization, and while I can not literally "FEEL" the sensations as I would with normal touch, I can vividly feel them in my mind as a memory... it's hard to explain. I can look at ANY object I have touched before and know exactly what it feels like in my mind... I would say it's the same as me touching the object but not exactly. It's very very close though while not a physical sensation replication.... it's more mental.


With all this being said, I have developed many abilities over the past year or 2 and can easily manipulate my energy and do chakra stimulating meditations daily along with energy absorption.

Here's my issue: I have sat laying in my bed for up to 2 hours and I simply am unable to get any vibrations. I can easily get a numb feeling.... and the only way I can even feel subtle vibrations begin is if I stop breathing and hold my breath... though the moment I begin breathing again the vibrations go away and the numb feeling returns. All this is while holding a perfectly clear, unwondering, focused attention. Absolutely NO background noise/thought in my mind. And for some reason I can not reach the vibrational state. I also have to consciously breath because for some reason when im laying down like this trying to get into the vibrational state, but automatic breathing stops... which I think this has to do with my immensely strongly developed attention/concentration.

The closest I got to the vibrational state was yesterday when for a split second I found a sort of an intense energy sensation in the side of my head, and I began to "shake" it and then all of a sudden I felt like I was in the middle of an intense earth quake. My heart began to race and my breathing constricted(fear of new experience) and it stopped... While I am 100% not afraid of astral projecting or anything I might encounter as I have immense energy manipulation abilities for protection and such, I simply am UNABLE to reach the vibrational state.

Please help me. I obtain all the necessary skills and am extremely advanced at them including my visualization skills and tactile visualization feeling sensations with my 'imagination'. I can even generate the sensation of imaginarily/mentally walking into my bathroom with THREE or more arms and touch multiple objects at once that I know are there and feel their textures vividly in my mind all at the same time. Meaning I obtain extreme astral skills from all my meditations but i simply unable to reach the vibrational state.

Please help me. I have tried binaural beats to help, beats that other people have said make them feel like they are in an earthquake, but I feel my focus is too strong and I am barely effected by them. I have read thousands of articles and techniques on AP so please help, i am at a brick wall. I posses all the proper skills to for an advanced astral projection experience yet I am unable to even get to the vibrational state.

Also, an additional note for those who didn't want to read all that: I posses extremely developed concentration and attention and can maintain focus and a SILENT Mind-Awake state effortlessly, though I cant get into the vibrational state. Even if I lay there for 2 hours... getting numb is no problem, my whole body gets cold and numb, but no vibrations.